Should Trump scrap DACA?
@ 3 months ago
Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA
The results of it should be analyzed and adjustments made accordingly. I think that's the pragmatic and most fair way.
@ 3 months ago
Villa Park, IL, USA
I think that congress should have put it into law in the first place. The only reason they didn't was because Obama wanted it. It seems to have bipartisan support.
@ 3 months ago
Miami Township, OH, USA
I'd like to see them carry it a bit further. Offer them citizenship once they finish a degree.
Are you interested in learning what the actual results of the order. I personally think it is a net positive, but I would like to see independently collected and analyzed statistics
Everyone in this program has been vetted, and had to disclose all their personal information to the government to qualify for DACA. This is the only country majority of them know. They deserve a path to citizenship ASAP!.
@ 3 months ago
197 Crossland Dr, Killeen, TX 76543, USA
How do you know they all deserve it? Some might be horrible people... Should they stay?
Seems to me one side is ready to ship them all out because of the "rule of law"
And the other is encouraging anarchic immigration policies.
One is heartless and the other is brainless
Because this program was designated for the people willing to come out of the shadows and give all of their personal information to participate in DACA. In my book that is the act of good people.
Killeen, TX 76543, USA
That the problem there isn't any rule of law on the treatment of infants to minor childern brought here by their parents, that only knows America as their country.
That's debatable... But we're missing the bigger point in that we need aggressive immigration reform....we need to make it easier for families and educated individuals to come here...I'm ok with DACA and aside from a few instances of violence it
1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA
Would seem that many have integrated fairly well... If it were different you know that examples would be all over Breitbart and Fox News...
Smart immigration makes a country stronger
Disclosure: I'm married to an immigrant who came here via her father's work visa (Civil engineer) and later became a US citizen
The republicans never took issue with exempting fhe dreamers from deportation. They thought it shouldn't be done by executive action. Yet they were afraid of being called weak on immigration.
Bath Township, OH, USA
I don't think Obama had legal authority to do it (remember he himself claimed he couldn't do it numerous times before he decided to) but since it's already been done... I think some kinda arrangement has to be made
@ 3 months ago
1632 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10028, USA
I had much more of a problem with DAPA which got iced by the courts.
E 86 St/2 Av, New York, NY 10028, USA
Now that the vast majority of the electorate approves of the program, they mighf just act.
Xenia Township, OH, USA
Which might mean Trump dumping the program with a 6 month delay actually is a blessing in disguise for the DACA people.
Im pretty sure that's what Trump will claim. I just don't know why they can't replace and repeal at the same time.
They seem to have a problem with that concept.
In month five we enter war with North Korea and accept in a million Korean refugees....
Anyway, this is exactly why it wasn't wise of Obama to create a quasi-legal program for these people that the next president could unilaterally just tear down.
310 E 85th St, New York, NY 10028, USA
The congressional Republicans better get their butts in gear
Drew,,, There were two pieces of legislation offered but not acted upon by congress before Obama took action. He said at the time it was not the preferred way to go. It appeared to be the only way.
Just because Congress doesn't do what the President wants them to do, that doesn't grant the President the authority to act on his own.
Yorkville, New York, NY, USA
348 E 81st St, New York, NY 10028, USA
It's funny how Obama magically found the authority to do it only *after* he didn't get what he wanted with Congress.
Upper East Side, New York, NY, USA
Problem with reaching into the past like that though is DACA actually got implemented. People are already in that system, so it's pretty messed up to not have an arrangement moving forward even if you agree Obama never really had the authority there.
1 Av/E 77 St, New York, NY 10075, USA
What's interesting is that in Obama's quotes he demonstrates he understands the big difference between the way the executive can choose how and where to enforce the law and the ability to create some special quasi legal program.
440 Aprtment Building, 440 E 79th St, New York, NY 10075, USA
There's no doubt Obama was paying a political debt by doing this. It was obvious that immigration reform wasn't going to happen. There's also a good arguement that DACA should have been done.
It was the right thing done the wrong way. It shouldn't have come to that.
The wrong way also opened the door for the imperial presidency trend that's been going on with both parties.
Lenox Hill, New York, NY, USA
And you believe this was solely the fault of congress? Maybe it was, but I'm guessing the Executive branch had some demands that were non starters with the Legislative branch.
Addison, IL, USA
I wonder if Trump create some kinda DACA with taxes.... Ya know if Congress won't act what he wants with legislation.
*the way he wants
AMi,,, The thing is, congress has the responsibility for creating legislation. If they threw something in there that the president can't live with, he has the veto pen. The DACA bills that were proposed were never even referred to committee. Just
ignored. No debate, no ammendments, no discussion.
Why didn't the democratically controlled congress pass a DACA type bill? Was it not a priority for them? I seriously doubt there was no discussion
Seems there is plenty of blame to go around
Congress can choose to ignore legislation if they want, there's no obligation to debate, refer to committee etc.
523 E 70th St, New York, NY 10021, USA
Congress doesn't have the responsibility to create *specific* legislation.
One East River Pool Club Inc, 525 E 72nd St # 13C, New York, NY 10021, USA
Congress creates all legislation. The DACA legislation was proposed by democratic congressional representatives. And consequently ignored. I'm not saying that it would have passed but it deserved consideration.
But if it doesn't get considered, that doesn't grant a president the authority to issue his own executive edict version.
Manhattan, New York, NY, USA
He could have issued a blanket amnesty. Well within his powers. Lincoln did it for all civil war soldiers. Instesd he chose to make it quite restrictive, and qualified it to give congress the chance to do it right. They didn't. They just saw it as a
way to play the blame game and avoid taking any action on a political hot potato.
Like AMi said, there's plenty of blame to spread around. I just think congress shirked their responsibility, before, during and after Obama's action.
Well the ball is in Congress's court now.
Roosevelt Island, New York, NY, USA
And if they don't act? Then what? The dreamers have in effect turned themselves in. The the anti-imigration police would be shooting fish in a barrel. Dreamers and their families are tagged and ready to bag.
Trump has set them up to be heroes or villains... We will see
10 Northwest Hwy, Palatine, IL 60067, USA
Basically, Trump has given himself someone to blame if it turns to sh¡t. You know there will be only one hero if it turns out well.
a hero with heart
Palatine, IL, USA
If he only had a brain.
There's a brain but maybe it's this one? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bd/b9/55/bdb955d78117e7d145425f2d05b843fb.jpg
1511 3rd Ave, New York, NY 10028, USA
So now he says that he could revisit this issue if congress doesn't act. That's like building a fire under them, then hitting it with an extinguisher.
Didn't you hear, Trump is a Democrat now
Congress should act to save DACA and themselves from irrelevancy. I would hate to see this become an excuse to consolidate power.
@ 3 months ago
Pleasant View, TN, USA
Back to back hurricanes... wildfires burning across the west... the edge of war with NK... and America is left with design by committee. The committee of "No", no less.
I see the republicans as less of a committe and more of a group of rival siblings. The different factions may have a common lineage, but they have very disparate mindsets.
That's nice for them but they've blown their opportunity to play it Trump's way. He was never their ally...He executed a hostile takeover, in case anyone has forgotten. He gave R's first crack at legislating and they failed.
@ 2 months ago
301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA
So now, he'll use the Democrat side of Congress to try and make what is progress in his eyes.
I'm guessing that will ultimately fail too, but D's can (and already have) score significant points while it lasts.
If DACA is to be saved with legislation, I'm thinking it will have to be accomplished with Democratic leadership to get the necessary votes.
In the meantime watching McConnell & co. fume is good fun.
Some serious discussion about this very thing going on now. Exciting!
Lakeland, MN 55043, USA
Bet you Republicans never thought this would happen, did you.
Oh the heresy!
Trump would convert to Islam if it meant him "winning"
@ 2 months ago
Nobody knew Islam was so complicated.