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The price tag on Harvy is estimated to top forty billion. Fema has 3.8 billion in the bank. And the fed flood insurance fund is already in the red by 26 billion. Congress might have to make some hard decisions.. ..soon.

jc @ 3 months ago

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To add insult to injury Trump's budget calls for an eleven percent reduction in funding for fema.

jc @ 3 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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Mexico will pay for it?

AMi @ 3 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Is the 40 billion estimate the federal portion? Does the state get a portion of the bill? Do insurance companies? Is this the long term cost? If so, how long term are we talking about? Many questions.

Taco Bowl @ 3 months ago

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Doesn't Texas have a surplus of bootstraps?

Tjaden Froyda @ 3 months ago

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The question that needs to be answered is what percentage of disaster relief does FEMA typically cover

AMi @ 3 months ago

1136 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

They have an annual budget of $13 billion

AMi @ 3 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I can't answer that. I know that congress passed an emergency bill after Sandy that carried a fifty billion price tag. All but one of the Texas representatives voted against it.

jc @ 3 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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Maybe congress will do the same here

AMi @ 3 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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a can, a road, a kick.

The Drew @ 3 months ago

Astoria 35 Inc, 271 Madison Ave, New York, NY 10016, USA

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I'm pretty sure they will pass an emergency bill. The question is whether or not they will demand cuts in other areas to offset the cost. Maybe they will ask Trump to decide between relief funds and wall construction. That would be interesting.

jc @ 3 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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It appears that only two in ten home owners in Houston have flood insurance. That leaves a huge amount of people who will be depending on federal aid/loans.

jc @ 3 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I usually like to say 1 in 5 Question though : My house is not in a low lying area, I don't have flood insurance... If my house floods due to some crazy storm I likely would not be covered... My choice because the risk would not justify the cost

AMi @ 3 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

But I guarantee you I would not receive any type of governmental help if that flooding were to occur They chose not to get food insurance, why should they be bailed out

AMi @ 3 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Before I get accused of being heartless, I'm 100% in favor of rebuilding Houston, heck we're great at doing it in countries we bomb But there is a question of where does personal responsibility come into play here

AMi @ 3 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

It isn't a big secret that hurricanes and flooding can occur there.... And Katrina showed the possibilities first hand just a decade ago

AMi @ 3 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I'll say this though, ensuring the economic and social security of Southern Texas is infinitely more important than a border wall

AMi @ 3 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Once a disaster is declared, federal funds are made available. That can be in many forms. Most homeowners will take advantage of low interest loans. Even those come with restrictions.

jc @ 3 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

The real money will flow to the cities and state. First for clearing debris. Then to rebuild roads, bridges and other infrastructure projects.

jc @ 3 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

At least you hope that is where it goes

AMi @ 3 months ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

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See Kasich

AMi @ 3 months ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Fema will probably foot the bill for the care and feeding of the thousands who are housed in mass shelters.

jc @ 3 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

That and private charity

AMi @ 3 months ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Is Kanye going to make an appearance again?

AMi @ 3 months ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

Get Ray Nagin to Houston, he can instruct officials on how to move federal funds. . Let's ban together and get Houston to "Chocolate City" status. .

H2O @ 3 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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The price tag is now hovering at 100 billion. Before it's all said and done it will probably grow by another 50%. That would follow the Katrina/ Sandy model.

jc @ 3 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

160 billion

AMi @ 3 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

it's only money . "Chocolate City" .

H2O @ 3 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Where do you get the chocolate city tag? Houston is 25% black. Caramel maybe. But definitely not chocolate.

jc @ 3 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

caramel, it's a start

H2O @ 3 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Mocha?

The Drew @ 3 months ago

Astoria 35 Inc, 271 Madison Ave, New York, NY 10016, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

French Vanilla perhaps over East

AMi @ 3 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Come on guys. It's clearly pumpkin spice season.

Tjaden Froyda @ 3 months ago

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I thought that was only for disasters that take place after Labor Day

AMi @ 3 months ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

https://youtu.be/ZnZ2XdqGZWU?t=1m11s

The Drew @ 3 months ago

E 86 St/2 Av, New York, NY 10028, USA

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Lol

AMi @ 3 months ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

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Wow. There are a lot of familiars still solving the world's problems around here.

M©Brew™ @ 3 months ago

Pleasant View, TN, USA

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Hey McBrew

AMi @ 3 months ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

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Hey, AMi.

M©Brew™ @ 3 months ago

Pleasant View, TN, USA

7b3f696eaa33925b7a765810b474457b

analytically minded independent, right?

M©Brew™ @ 3 months ago

Pleasant View, TN, USA

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Or so it was back in the day

AMi @ 3 months ago

Hoffman Estates, IL, USA

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Hi there McBrew! I have both flood and earthquake insurance. Both are highly unlikely where I live (I'm more than 600 feet above flood stage of the river near me).

Dr. Evil @ 3 months ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I am probably the only one around me that has either one. But if one of those things happens I'll be glad I paid extra. With more extreme weather on the increase, and earthquakes on the rise due to fracking, extra protection has more value.

Dr. Evil @ 3 months ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

The gulf coast region is going to see lots more of the same. Sorry Houston, New Orleans, etc. Those cities should probably be given up in large part to let the sea take over. That won't happen of course. But the futility of it is incredibly sad.

Dr. Evil @ 3 months ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

7b3f696eaa33925b7a765810b474457b

hello, doc. I have a similar situation. I'm on the highland rim, and the closest body of water is a small creek behind my house about 35' lower than my first level. We're near the source, too. But we still have the insurance.

M©Brew™ @ 3 months ago

Pleasant View, TN, USA

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Especially after the great Tennessee flood of 2010, it's a must. Even that flood didn't affect me directly, but a lot of nearby lower lying areas were submerged. The nearby Cumberland River runs through our sister city which got creamed.

M©Brew™ @ 3 months ago

Pleasant View, TN, USA

7b3f696eaa33925b7a765810b474457b

Speaking of 2010, due to my long VM break, I still have OPs from back then in my post history. Consider it. A lot of the same players are still here, 7 years later.

M©Brew™ @ 3 months ago

Pleasant View, TN, USA

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Are you saying we need to get a life?

jc @ 3 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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How much does it add to your annual premium to have flood insurance?

AMi @ 3 months ago

Salt Creek Greenway Trail, Oak Brook, IL 60523, USA

7b3f696eaa33925b7a765810b474457b

Not much. Like Doc said, it's a matter of your elevation in relation to the nearest body of water (and otherwise whether you're in a high risk zone with poor drainage). I think ours is just a couple hundred dollars a year.

M©Brew™ @ 3 months ago

Pleasant View, TN, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I guess it's justifiable if your budget allows, there is decent enough chance of a freak weather event happening within a certain amount of years

AMi @ 3 months ago

41 W Armitage Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

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I built a house for a guy about 50' from the river AFTER the flood and got him out of the high risk pool based on the elevation of the finished floor.

M©Brew™ @ 3 months ago

Pleasant View, TN, USA

7b3f696eaa33925b7a765810b474457b

In Tennessee, everything gets wrapped up with your mortgage... property taxes, homeowners insurance, but flood and earthquake insurance is optional.

M©Brew™ @ 3 months ago

Pleasant View, TN, USA

7b3f696eaa33925b7a765810b474457b

what's up jc? long time... glad you're still providing the hard, cold facts.

M©Brew™ @ 3 months ago

Pleasant View, TN, USA

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Not much is new. I finally got a grandson a while back. That has been my high point since you left.

jc @ 3 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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Nice! Grats on the grandson.

M©Brew™ @ 3 months ago

Pleasant View, TN, USA

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The low point is watching my mother in law leave us, one memory at a time. She is still in good physical condition. Last year she could rattle off the names of her twelve grand children. Now she struggles with the names of her five children. I still

jc @ 3 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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have great conversations with her. The problem is you could have the same conversation again in ten minutes.

jc @ 3 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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AMi, after browsing a few threads, I take note of the lower case "i". Are you leaning, or are you just less enthusiastic about your non-partisanship?

M©Brew™ @ 3 months ago

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I'm sorry to hear that, jc. My own mother is in a similar situation. She let her diabetes get out of control and had to have her foot amputated. She can only remember her grandchildren on good days. It was her time I the ICU, that did it.

M©Brew™ @ 3 months ago

Pleasant View, TN, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

MB, just a new account lol But, where I fall on the political spectrum does evolve. I'm quite adept at annoying people from each square of grid though

AMi @ 3 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Of the grid.... Consistently I test out as slightly right of center with some libertarian values

AMi @ 3 months ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

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Where do you take that test, ami?

Dr. Evil @ 3 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Earthquake insurance is cheap in MN. Thing is, there are areas that could become active around here...and it's the same for other such non - shaky areas. Why not have insurance for it. I think it's about $100/year.

Dr. Evil @ 3 months ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Even small earthquakes can wreak havoc on the foundation of a house, or for us, the septic system.

Dr. Evil @ 3 months ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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So true regarding the septic system... There are many similar tests. I just took this one and got slightly left of center, libertarian leaning moderate. http://www.polquiz.com/test/

AMi @ 3 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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So my dot was on the line where moderate meets libertarian, slightly left of center

AMi @ 3 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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That's about where mine was too. 75% personal, 60% economic

Tjaden Froyda @ 3 months ago

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Not surprising, what about you Doc?

AMi @ 3 months ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

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I was surprised at my 62%,55% position. That's barely having any opinion at all.

jc @ 3 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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So basically just North of the center?

AMi @ 3 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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70%/60% moderate libertarian .

H2O @ 3 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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damn, Skal

H2O @ 3 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Yeah, that questionnaire is suspect. ISideWith is more granular.

Tjaden Froyda @ 3 months ago

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Definitely more so, yes

AMi @ 3 months ago

2511 W 75th St, Naperville, IL 60540, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

It was Johnson / Sanders / Clinton / Trump in order of most to least matched for me.

AMi @ 3 months ago

139 W St Charles Rd, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

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83, 50 for me. At the outer corner of moderate, on the line dividing liberal and libertarian. Interesting quiz but there were a couple I couldn't answer as I didn't agree with any of the answers.

Dr. Evil @ 3 months ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Irma saw this post and was like "haha bitch you ain't seen nothing yet"

The Drew @ 2 months ago

229 E 85th St, New York, NY 10028, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

You got that right. I don't know how we can pay for all of this and still build our wall.

jc @ 2 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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At what point do we cut our military spending in order to cover the costs of infrastructure repairs and improvements? And I don't mean reduce the amount of increase. I mean spend less next year than we spent this year.

Racer X @ about 1 month ago

Jekyll Island, GA 31527, USA

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Socialist. Taxes are for blowing up brown people, not helping our citizens.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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That's right Skål. Also, taxes aren't for helping brown people after catastrophes. See: Katrina then, Puerto Rico now.

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Those are twofers... by just not doing anything, the brown people die. Winning!

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Is there something quantifiable that shows that aid to Puerto Rico has been restricted?

AMi @ about 1 month ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Just going on the statements of those on the ground. I didn't assert there was an organized conspiracy... nor do I believe that, in either case. Was the Katrina debacle quantified? Maybe not, but over time the level of effort became clear.

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Here, a similar level of effort seemed to be occurring. Now that they've ramped things up a bit, I also see POTUS is snapping his yappy dog jaws at leadership in PR. Nice.

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Do you think POTUS' statements about PR debt means he intends to withhold some effort? It's the clearest indication I've seen, along with this morning's screed, that a purposeful reduction in effort could be made once the "ratings go down."

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

PR is fired. FIRED!!

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Everything is quantifiable, for now people are struggling and they are worried. The island was destroyed by this hurricane, things aren't going to be "ok" overnight. This doesn't mean there isn't a strong effort to send them aid. Doesn't mean there

AMi @ about 1 month ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Is either....

AMi @ about 1 month ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

There's not much incentive to provide aid. They are poor, in debt, and they can't vote. None of these are likely to endear them to Trump.

jc @ about 1 month ago

Miami Township, OH, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Yet aid has been sent, money, food, water... Trump is a complete dick... But I've yet to see reports on the island's hurricane readiness and how the amount of aid sent relates to the need

AMi @ about 1 month ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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These things matter and go beyond the narrative

AMi @ about 1 month ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Like I said, over time, the effort level becomes apparent. I believe that happened with Katrina... we'll see how this plays out. Hope I'm wrong about it. But you really can't quantify the level of suffering beyond a limited point.

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

Uptown Square Apartments, 2908 Bryant Ave S # 208, Minneapolis, MN 55408, USA

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I agree. It would have been impossible to pre-stage supplies near Puerto Rico. There should have been no lag time in rushing hospital ships and naval vessels immediately after the threat was over. That didn't happen.

jc @ about 1 month ago

Miami Township, OH, USA

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And his douche of a response to the mayor certainly doesn't help things

AMi @ about 1 month ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Everyone left New Orleans, they migrated to other cities.... So it's hard to tell where aid should have gone.... Also remember the city and state both misappropriated funds that should have been used for defense of such an occurrence

AMi @ about 1 month ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Another thing to consider is that FEMA doesn't have its own navy. The initial relief efforts in this case were necessarily handled by other departments. That may account for the delay. Had someone realized this fact in advance, they could have been

jc @ about 1 month ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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put on alert. I don't think that was done.

jc @ about 1 month ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Also keep in mind the army of volunteers and well intentioned business who can simply drive to areas on the mainland to help out.... An island requires to have its own volunteer army at the ready

AMi @ about 1 month ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Imo, the Mayor is using Trump's obvious shortcomings as a smokescreen for her own

AMi @ about 1 month ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Imo, you have no basis for that opinion...at least because a visit yesterday by a U.S. military general indicates otherwise.

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

He said more help was needed, present efforts were insufficient. Another thing is, islands and big, big oceans aside: if we were invading PR for some reason, we'd get there timely with every man, bell and whistle. It's a matter of will, isn't it?

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

The military is designed to be combat ready, and invasions are carefully planned Natural disasters are unpredictable and cannot be accurately assessed for days or even weeks. Coordination of initial relief assets must take a good deal of estimation

AMi @ about 1 month ago

York/Industrial/Belden, Elmhurst, IL 60126, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

but I'd bet PR will use it to totally rebuild it to eliminate the debt. . the country was in shambles and infrastructure was severely deteriorated prior to the hurricanes. roads; total disrepair almost impassable .

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I would not be surprised if government corruption in Puerto Rico is shown to be sky high.... She was practically tripping over herself to use Trump as a scapegoat

AMi @ about 1 month ago

York/Industrial/Belden, Elmhurst, IL 60126, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

And like the idiot he is, he certainly plays into it

AMi @ about 1 month ago

York/Industrial/Belden, Elmhurst, IL 60126, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

electrical grid: no upgrades or major maintenance / water & sewer; no maintenance or upgrades. ..... I was there in August and talking to friends & their families who live there, people who I met .

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

almost to a person they believed the government officials stole, misappropriated the federal budget. . What has the PR governor said? screw the mayor Ray Nagen wannabe. . seen pictures of the San Juan harbor, with the aid ships staked up? .

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

We are dying, and you are killing us with the inefficiency and the bureaucracy," San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz said Friday at a news conference. 

AMi @ about 1 month ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

the entire country was devastated, but the president should have had it rebuilt in 2 days. . no roads, no electricity, no communication, no water, no banks, "TRUMP'S FAULT" .

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

There seems to have been a failure to delegate initial response. That's certainly someone's fault. And in the end, the buck stops at the oval office. If you're willing to bask in the glory when things go right, you can't dodge blame when they don't.

jc @ about 1 month ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

the optics of the Twitter fight while this all was happening weren't great either

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

Clear Lake, MN 55319, USA

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jc: he already dodged the blame in his own mind.

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

ami, why don't you demand that h2o quantify his statements?

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

wtf evil, you ignorant ....? . I was there for 2 weeks in August, I was there for 1 week in 2013, I was there for 2 weeks in 2010, I was there for 6 months in 1996. . I can see the difference, .

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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I have friends there. . EXACTLY how much time do you have invested in the PR. . can your, privileged ass, even speak the language? . is the response slow, fùck yea if you're there knee deep in shìt. But you're 1 of millions, whose 1st?

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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How much time has the mayor spent in the recovery operations command center? . according to a couple other mayors and government officials. . ZERO . where has she been? out on her boat drinking, eating, & fùcking until she got caught?

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/09/30/puerto-rico-cop-calls-u-s-radio-station-reporting-corrupt-mayor-of-san-juan-and-request-for-help/

AMi @ about 1 month ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I can't corroborate the claims of this caller but I believe it to be the absolute truth... I think that mayor is a snake

AMi @ about 1 month ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

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Anonymous phone calls to radio stations? Could it be true? Sure. But that caller sure did well with talking points...

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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This is not a situation of mutual exclusivity, Trump is a jerk and this mayor is a snake...

AMi @ about 1 month ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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One is a proven fact, the other i felt immediately upon seeing her clearly staged interview with Cooper

AMi @ about 1 month ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Feels are not facts, I get it, but I read people for a living and I'm pretty confident in my abilities

AMi @ about 1 month ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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http://cfif.org/v/index.php/commentary/43-taxes-and-economy/2990-puerto-ricos-untold-tale-of-corruption

AMi @ about 1 month ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

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http://nypost.com/2017/09/30/inept-puerto-rican-government-riddled-with-corruption-ceo/

AMi @ about 1 month ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

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From another thread: "I was a person who had "hoped" his idiocy was a clever ruse to get elected, alas I have been proven wrong AMi @ 6 days ago" Time to recalibrate?

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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I think you got me wrong.... Nowhere here am I saying he's not an idiot

AMi @ about 1 month ago

1136 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

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If you look back at some old posts I stated my opinion that he was a fraud... That's been my stance since the debates... Once he was elected I simply hoped for the best

AMi @ about 1 month ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

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And your individual experiences are not a quantifiable understanding of the PR government. I don't claim that going to Mexico makes me some kind of expert on how well their government functions. My question was directed to ami, not you anyway.

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Seems he demands quantifiable, evidentiary proof from me. Others, well anecdotal stuff and feels is just fine.

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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My guess is because your anecdotal stuff and feels happen to align with his predisposed position. But hey, who knows. He's analytically minded and judges other people for a living, so he's confident.

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Not nearly as judgmental as you

AMi @ about 1 month ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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And reading is not the same as judging but good try at twisting my words

AMi @ about 1 month ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Ok so what is the outcome of your reading people then? Nothing? goodness.

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Anyway I don't see you denying anything I said.

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Being pedantic is a giveaway. But then you know that already right, since you read people.

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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and she thought menopause was over

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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So to summarize the facts, Trump is a jerk and the people of Puerto Rico were set up for disaster by a long corrupt government

AMi @ about 1 month ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

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Puerto Rico was on a slow path toward a disaster even without the hurricane. I guess you can look at it a couple ways. They were screwed anyway, so let them starve. Or you can realize that from a humanitarian perspective they need even more support

jc @ about 1 month ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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than Texas or Florida. I'm not saying rebuild the country. I believe there is a lot that could be done to alleviate the suffering. That should be the mission.

jc @ about 1 month ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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so nice of POTUS to dedicate a golf trophy this weekend in honor of the hurricane victims. b-b-b-but Obama swung a golf club too!

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

1728-1762 MN-41, Chaska, MN 55318, USA

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Maybe he is going to fill the trophy with drinking water an put it on the next ship bound for Puerto Rico.

jc @ about 1 month ago

Miami Township, OH, USA

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I personally blame racer x for the damage to Puerto Rico

[412035] @ about 1 month ago

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That place was already a sh!thole the only time I visited a couple of years back.

Racer X @ about 1 month ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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My wife told me that there are expected drug shortages due to the significant amount of pharmaceutical production that takes place in Puerto Rico. I am sure they'll have their areas up and running asap... Or maybe they're waiting for the government

AMi @ about 1 month ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

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Kind of our own Little Mexico. Poor and crappy maybe (not all of it, I know a couple investment property owners that own there), but people still need water, food, medical assistance, and tents until they can cobble together new shanties.

Dr. Evil @ about 1 month ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Yeah, thankfully they aren't dying though

AMi @ about 1 month ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Racer you said if a tornado went through there it would do 3mil in improvements. You did this

[412035] @ about 1 month ago

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Ha! I was right. A hurricane went through there... and will lead to infrastructure improvements that have been needed for decades (eventually).

Racer X @ 16 days ago

Monroe, GA, USA

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Or, let the brown people die off, then scrape em off into the ocean and build a nice golf course and hotel there, hmmm what brand I wonder?

Dr. Evil @ 16 days ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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precisely. that hurricane will cause infrastructure improvements on the island. I'm like freaking Nostradamus

Racer X @ 12 days ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Only if you can repopulate with white people though. Where white skin goes, so goes infrastructure...and probably full statehood.

Dr. Evil @ 5 days ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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