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I've figured out how to build the wall using no taxpayer money.

jc @ 26 days ago

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5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Trump just needs to issue bonds. He could have ten million of his supporters kick in a grand each. Then when Donald receives the check from Mexico, they get their money back plus interest.

jc @ 26 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

It's so simple. I can't believe Donald hasn't stumbled across this solution

jc @ 26 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Is $10 billion the projected cost of the project?

Racer X @ 25 days ago

Alpharetta, GA 30005, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

It's at the bottom end of the estimates. I'm sure the great negotiator will procure a large enough Mexican contribution to cover any increases.

jc @ 25 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Right now he only needs start up funds. Once the Mexicans see what they are getting for their money, they will, no doubt, scramble to get the cash together.

jc @ 25 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Well, the virtual wall is working pretty well. And Canada is having a bit of a rethink over too much encouragement.

The Drew @ 25 days ago

Astoria 35 Inc, 271 Madison Ave, New York, NY 10016, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

I'd install signs warning people not to cross the mine fields. That would be cost effective. You might have to install a few mines just to keep them honest.

jc @ 25 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I can say unequivocally that much of Europe regrets their ultra progressive immigration policies. The best solution is to rethink the process and come to a pragmatic middle.

AMi @ 25 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Restricting legal immigration is the absolute wrong way to go. We as a country need immigrants to fill the void caused by our anemic birthrate. When legal paths are blocked, it only creates opportunities for illegals. We should have learned that

jc @ 25 days ago

Miami Township, OH, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

lesson by now. Regan tried to fix the problem with the last amnesty. Had his own party not blocked him, he would have made it easier to enter the country legally. That would have substantially reduced the problem we have today.

jc @ 25 days ago

Miami Township, OH, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

You have to have some restrictions, but just to get a work Visa is gigantic pain in the butt

AMi @ 25 days ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

jc, use of deadly force solely to defend property, including trespass, is illegal in every state. Land mines would do that, so no go. Agree that legal immigration should be easier. And I think we should take some refugees, on a humanitarian basis.

Dr. Evil @ 25 days ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

What do we do with the refugees once they are here?

AMi @ 25 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

You integrate them into the community. They will struggle for a while. Immigrants always do. In a generation you will have a bona fide American family with all the good, bad and indifferent qualities that are common to all of us.

jc @ 25 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

What community do you suggest?

AMi @ 25 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Whatever community that is willing to accept them. It's not a hard sell. Dayton has offered to accept refugees from Syria. The city has a long history of working with immigrants. They have a thriving Viet Namese presence. The city is quite the

jc @ 25 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

melting pot. Kinda surprising considering its location.

jc @ 25 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Are we talking about immigrants or refugees

AMi @ 25 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

And do you believe that all cultures can integrate equally well?

AMi @ 25 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Where do you think you'd integrate better? Germany or Syria?

AMi @ 25 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

We're talking about both. Immigrants usually have a ready made sponsor or established community ready to help them. Refugees are often backed by corporate interests.

jc @ 25 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

I don't think I would be a good candidate for integration. Assimilation is not high on my list of things to do.

jc @ 25 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

I think there are a lot of circumstances that affect integration of any culture. Having establshed mentors is probably the biggest factor.

jc @ 25 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Not everyone can learn how to live in America by watching Sesame Street.

jc @ 25 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

So it would but important to identify immigrants and refugees that have assimilation as a high priority, correct?

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

It would be difficult to agree on a single definition that would cover all forms of assimilation. When you consider the diversity in America, assimilation is pretty open ended.

jc @ 24 days ago

Miami Township, OH, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

How much in taxes do we spend on towards i/r with limited English and technical education? Legitimate question Also what metric is used to measure successful assimilation?

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

I'm sure a lot of refugees and immigrants are only focused on a better, safer life for their family.

jc @ 24 days ago

Bath Township, OH, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Of course, but that doesn't always mean assimilation

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

And without assimilation and cultural understanding outside their own community it becomes more difficult for generational changes to take place.

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Point being, culture matters, education matters, attitude towards America matters

AMi @ 24 days ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

We have more then enough people here that deserve better lives, that have been given a steeper staircase to climb. I have difficulty arguing for opening the door wider to foreign nationals until we have done a better job getting existing issues

AMi @ 24 days ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

In check

AMi @ 24 days ago

1132 N Ardmore Ave, Villa Park, IL 60181, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

I believe most real assimilation takes place in the second generation. Only because of the roots of the parents. When you have parents in the old country it has an effect on your identity.

jc @ 24 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I would agree that has been the case here thus far with some minor exceptions. This is not the case with many communities in Europe. The Arab populations around Stockholm have been there generations and have become no closer to becoming Swedes.

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

So, turn the tables for a sec. What if we were bombed to shít by Russia then they were going through cities and towns and killing Americans door to door, or warring factions were gunning everything down all over? What if you had to flee for your

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

life. What the fúck country to do figure you'd choose. Because if it were me I'd pretty much go anywhere I thought I might not be killed, and try to...well, live.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

The whole assimilation issue is a moot fúcking point when people are desperate. Have some human decency and think about what you would want people to do for you if you were in their place.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Regarding non - refugee immigration, Mexico's system is interesting. Pretty much anyone can move there, and get residency with some effort. But unless you are a Mexican national, you can't even apply for a job there. You can work in Mexico in one

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

of two situations: 1. start your own business; 2. be requested for a particular position by a business or university because of your particular skill. Also you can work for a non-profit I think.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

What's an appropriate number we should let in? As many as possible? Should we send barges everywhere there is conflict in the world to bring them to the land of opportunity?

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Basically, everything else requires hiring Mexicans. That's why no matter how bad things get here economically, you'll never see an exodus into Mexico of job seeking Americans.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

It is really easy to play the human decency card, but everyone has their limits. What is yours?

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

There's no limit. Open up the borders. Where's your compassion?!

The Drew @ 24 days ago

Yorkville, New York, NY, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/

The Drew @ 24 days ago

303 East 83rd Apartments, 303 E 83rd St, New York, NY 10028, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I like how Voter Map provides random addresses now....

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Excellent article BTW, I guess I'm a 2005 liberal

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I don't see any reason to decrease levels from before, at the end of the Obama administration for example. What's your limit? What would it be if it were you?

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

It is actually easy to play the human decency card, when you're actually challenged to do so. I've put my money where my mouth is.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Please don't accuse me of empty words and liberal hypocrisy. I'm willing to help people out personally when they are desperate. How about you? What's your real, true limit?

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I haven't accused you of anything. I would say that for every dollar set aside to support refugees (housing, food, education, etc), that a certain multiple of those dollars be set aside for low income dollars. There will be a set budget and simple

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Low income families.... Simple math will dictate the number of refugee families we can support per fiscal year.

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

That article may have a point. I think I've wondered a bit about the tolerance for illegal immigration on the left, like no one wants to acknowledge that in fact someone broke the law. Laws should be in place or should be changed.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

The sticky part comes in how to address the breaking. Obama was cracking down pretty heavily with actual enforcement of the law. Trump solved the problem more cheaply by discouraging anyone from wanting anything to do with us.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

You haven't answered the question of what is your limit, ami. For me, I was willing to pack in as many as I could find space for a bed. How about you.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

To an extent, if I remember right Obama recorded a lot of "turn backs" at the border but was very lenient with individuals that had made their way into the country and established themselves

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Really Doc, you're willing to transform your house into a hotel for refugees? That's fantastic. Good luck with that

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I personally wouldn't let any stranger live at my house. My family's safety takes priority.

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Why don't you take in a bunch of homeless people from around the area up there? It is going to get cold soon. Have some decency for Zues' sake!

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Yeah, stranger danger

The Drew @ 24 days ago

Yorkville, New York, NY, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I think what I'm saying is, I did that already. And I'm sorry you are teaching your own family that "other people" are dangerous. How America First of you. Great lesson for the kids.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

By the way I would do it again. And to remind you guys: I'm an atheist.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

It is important to teach children that strangers can be dangerous. I thought that was common sense. Trust is earned, not given freely. And to provide access to someone to sleep at my house, they need to have earned that trust.

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I'm glad it worked out for you.

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Teaching children only to be afraid and suspicious of other people is the way to go...got it.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I'm sure that will work out well for you ami.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

My point was, to determine what is the limit of your humanitarian side when it comes to people in desperate need. Have we found that limit yet? What are you, ami, willing to do to help?

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

No one said be afraid. Suspicious, yes. Like I said, trust is earned, not freely given.

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I seriously doubt you place your trust in people that easily.

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I submit that allowing a fairly generous influx of refugees, and agreeing to help them survive here for some period of time, is something we can all contribute to in a real way. Without the scary aspect of having to personally expose your precious

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

snowflakes to any stranger danger, you could still pitch in to help others.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

And then some day you might be grateful if you ever need the milk of human kindness in order to survive... maybe you wouldn't be looked at as a scary stranger but just a person in need. That would be good wouldn't it?

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I do more for people than I care to brag about here. I'm simply not comfortable with strangers sleeping at my house regardless of where they are from.

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I didn't ask you about that, ami. You asked me what's the limit. I didn't brag I answered your question. So why can't you answer mine?

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I'm completely sure you're awesome to other people, you just don't like getting your hands dirty. I get it. You're like many Americans, so it's cool.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

301-363 Quality Ave N, Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Lol, that's funny, have a good day Doc To end things on a positive, I'm happy you are well intentioned towards people. Way too many aholes in the world.

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

somebody say my name?

Racer X @ 24 days ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Without opening your door, you can still open your heart to the world, ami.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Hiya racer

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I can agree with you there

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

I don't believe open borders are the answer. Realistic quotas seem to be the logical solution. I'm certainly not qualified to define what numbers qualify as reasonable. Neither are members of congress, or the president. It's a problem best solved by

jc @ 24 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

experts in the fields of economics and demographics. Not by knee jerk politicians trying to appease their short sighted base.

jc @ 24 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

So immigration should be privatized?

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

No. The experts inform. The politicians act. That's the way it's supposed to work. Unfortunately politicians usually base their decisions on anything but expert opinion.

jc @ 24 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

They base such opinions on what will be them reelected.... Term limits please

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Will get

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

The best way is not to advise the politicians but to educate the voters. Results may not be guaranteed but the potential for change is greater

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

If that worked, we would have a different president.

jc @ 24 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Did it work the two times Obama got elected?

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Not necessarily. Educating the electorate is not very effective. It seems to be easier to spread disinforation than truth. That may be due to who is absorbing the story line. Tell them what they want to hear. They will eat it up.

jc @ 24 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Then when they find they were duped, they get pissed. That only makes it easier for the next pettyfogger to perpetuate the process. And you end up where we are today.

jc @ 24 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Why is it, you think, that disinformation is easier to spread? Do you feel that you might be the victim of disinformation?

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Mexico will pay for the wall. See? That was easy. At my age I'm a little more of a skeptic than the average voter.

jc @ 24 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

It's easier to spread because people want easy, simple, quick solutions. Try informing someone about the problems in creating interstate insurance policies. Their face goes blank. But tell them that competition caused by selling across state lines

jc @ 24 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

will save them money. They say "Hell yeah! Let's do it".

jc @ 24 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

The problem is, the people voting on the issue aren't the people who actually impliment the practice. It won't be done. Then the voter feels betrayed.

jc @ 24 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

ami disinformation is easier to spread because it's custom made for a particular audience.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

reality is much more complicated, and often doesn't fit the narrative. plus there's often a lack of click bait sexy with actual news.

Dr. Evil @ 24 days ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Yes, I agree with both of you.... Question is how do we combat the tidal wave of momentum in the direction of instantaneous opinion (memes, blogs, etc)

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

I have observations not answers. You're the answer guy. Get to work. I'm going to take a nap.

jc @ 24 days ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Not anymore, that's Doc's job

AMi @ 24 days ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

How many immigrants to let in is a *political* question, it can be informed by economists, demographers but none of those dudes are gonna be unbiased not to mention we're not dealing with physics here.

The Drew @ 23 days ago

Montauk, NY 11954, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I like this quote by Douthat, "Liberalism's current relationship to open borders is asymptotic: Not for it, but for every step toward it."

The Drew @ 23 days ago

Montauk, NY 11954, USA

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