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R's: what's wrong with college? http://www.people-press.org/2017/07/10/sharp-partisan-divisions-in-views-of-national-institutions/

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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boko haram

[412035] @ about 1 month ago

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Hakuna matata

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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Hehe Chaska. https://youtu.be/hqAVuE524Gk

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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haha

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

Chaska, MN 55318, USA

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This was Weekly Standard's theory, makes some sense, what do you think. http://www.weeklystandard.com/of-course-republicans-view-colleges-negatively/article/2008784

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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I think that propaganda has done a great job trying to delegitimize higher ed with safe spaces, snowflake, etc. Those same things exist for cons, but not as publicized.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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One example just down the road from here in Belle plaine - a satanic monument is going up in response to a religious monument on public property. A "free speech zone" had to be created for that monument.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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I think the reason is actually simpler than that article. Higher ed is politically threatening for conservatives.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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But why the large downtick in the last *two years*?

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Murray Hill, New York, NY

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I thought about the simpler reason at first, but that's the part it didn't seem to answer. Cuz hasn't higher ed always been "politically threatening for conservatives" (

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Murray Hill, New York, NY

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higher ed, is a prime example of the "we know what's better for you, than you do. We're book learned." . metropolitan better than rural .

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Lee Hill, VA, USA

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Give me an example of why higher ed is a prime example of that.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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AHCA . passed with majority of the citizens opposing .

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Lee Hill, VA, USA

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restricted speech ,,, Berkeley (for 1) . conservative views not welcome or invited .

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Lee Hill, VA, USA

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AHCA - was that a Freudian slip?

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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How much of dislike of the ACA was due to bullshït peddling?

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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They keep inviting conservatives to Berkeley... And you know a lot of the clashes happen because of instigators.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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@Drew - last two years = heightened propaganda.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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so you believe universities are non partisan? . I got some bridges to sell .

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Did I say that?

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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yes

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Where?

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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1. you didn't answer the question 2. it's only instigators 3. it's heightened propaganda

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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So I didn't say it and you're putting words in my mouth. Got it.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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"only instigators" - Another thing I didn't say. Basically you're full of ####.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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Heightened propaganda - there absolutely has been heightened propaganda against higher ed. the last few Safe spaces, snowflakes, SJW, etc.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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basically you're pulling the same shìt as the rest of the political chicken fùckers. . "I never actually said that (! implied it, never really said it !), so I'm innocent" . keep fùcking, doc

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Nope. Never said it or implied it. You jumped the gun and choose to whine rather than admit you were wrong.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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There have been a bunch of incidents that have contributed to that bad sentiment in the past two years though. Can't just claim heightened propaganda I think.

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

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You're right, there's more to it than that. I thought this was interesting https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/15/15757708/hometown-stay-leave

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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I thought reading some of the letters to university of Missouri from alumni was interesting. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434545/mizzou-firings-chronicle-campus-crisis

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

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I think the propaganda has played a large part of it though. Social media has walled us off into echo chambers. Anti-higher Ed sentiment had existed for years, but now it's more concentrated and amplified

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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Like a fart you've been holding during a big date

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

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Interesting letters. The protests rankled some feathers obviously. Race things usually do. The #### swastika was probably just the tip of the iceberg.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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What about the fact that the university capitulated to mob demands.

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

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Why did they have to resort to a mob to enact change?

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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Because prior to this all happening, it didn't sound like Mizzou was doing much to respond to racist acts on campus.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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How widespread that was, who knows, but perception is reality.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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Apparently a mob mentality vs a discussion is the preferred method to get what want, similar to a temper tantrum. . Just rolling over has costs also. . Funding deltas soon lean to lower education thresholds. .

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Isn't this the same school where students attempted to censor the 1st Amendment?

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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The students were passing laws restricting speech as members of Congress? You should probably reread what the first amendment says.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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Preferred method? Doubtful. Discussion and "raising awareness" sounds like it wasn't getting anywhere before the protests. And now Mizzou is feeling the pain from inaction.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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But no, I guess the students should've kept their mouths shut and continued to take it in silence. That was clearly working. Another 10 years they might have something to show for it. Wouldn't want to upset the donors.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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Well they sure are upset now lol.

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

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There's also what seems like a weird uptick in "fake" hate crimes on some of the most liberal campuses, they aren't "fake" in the sense it happens and people get very upset but then the perpetrator is

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

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Often a member of one of those anti-racist groups or something like that and the motivation was "trying to gin up awareness"

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

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The good old false flag. Those backfire and need to stop.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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Yep, the donors are upset now. It's sad that people seem more outraged about their precious Alma mater losing prestige than they do about the racial tensions on campus.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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It's like there's not enough of the real hate or something? I never understood this.

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

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Might have worked if they hadn't been caught. Meddling kids.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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Then there's the general sense of higher-ed pushing a lot of useless degrees (not every degree obviously) along with large tuition hikes, excess numbers of administrators, and high-costs trying to make the school like Club Med.

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

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And then ya throw in the for-profit colleges and Trump Universities...

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

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All true, but parents can't/don't pay for college as much as they used to. The costs of those excesses and useless degrees fall mostly on the students.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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Well you don't have to pay for it to get angry at that

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

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I love how DeVos is trying to undo the protections for students for the failed for-profits. Corporations and donors > students. Never saw that coming /s

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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Having to pay for it makes you angrier...

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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Well of course

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

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But knowing your kid will be paying for it (maybe even neglecting you in your old age because of that) doesn't exactly make you feel warm and fuzzy.

The Drew @ about 1 month ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

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No, but parents also know that the degree, even in the so called useless majors, still brings better job security and higher income. And let's be honest - old age is expensive compared to college.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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College costs/loan debt are a time bomb waiting to happen. Huge effect on the economy. But that's a subject for a different thread - I don't think that has much to do with the widening partisan divide over higher ed

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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did I say "passing laws"? . how about.. Isn't this the same school that students where restricting press access? .

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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No you didn't. The first amendment does though. You should read what it says.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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If you're going to involve the first amendment, you kinda need to know a bit about it. It doesn't apply here.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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https://xkcd.com/1357/ Oblig.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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Skal, is it your position that racism was rampant at MSU? The letters don't seem to give that impression. . You may be able to say every school condones racism, I'm fairly confident I can locate a group of students on every campus. .

H2O @ about 1 month ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Involve = invoke Damn autocorrect

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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Rampant? No. Rather inadequately addressed by administration - That's seems to be what the students thought. I'm not sure that many of the letter writers (but not all) would have been in a position to know.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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The letters from other students - absolutely. The letters from donors and parents who only saw the protests covered on tv from their favorite media source, probably not.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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https://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/takingnote/2015/11/10/a-history-of-racism-at-the-university-of-missouri/

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/12/us/university-of-missouri-protests.html

Tjaden Froyda @ about 1 month ago

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