R's: what's wrong with college?
@ 8 months ago
Chaska, MN 55318, USA
@ 8 months ago
@ 8 months ago
Hehe Chaska. https://youtu.be/hqAVuE524Gk
@ 8 months ago
Yorkville, New York, NY
This was Weekly Standard's theory, makes some sense, what do you think. http://www.weeklystandard.com/of-course-republicans-view-colleges-negatively/article/2008784
I think that propaganda has done a great job trying to delegitimize higher ed with safe spaces, snowflake, etc.
Those same things exist for cons, but not as publicized.
@ 7 months ago
One example just down the road from here in Belle plaine - a satanic monument is going up in response to a religious monument on public property.
A "free speech zone" had to be created for that monument.
I think the reason is actually simpler than that article.
Higher ed is politically threatening for conservatives.
But why the large downtick in the last *two years*?
@ 7 months ago
Murray Hill, New York, NY
I thought about the simpler reason at first, but that's the part it didn't seem to answer. Cuz hasn't higher ed always been "politically threatening for conservatives" (
higher ed, is a prime example of the "we know what's better for you, than you do. We're book learned."
metropolitan better than rural
@ 7 months ago
Lee Hill, VA, USA
Give me an example of why higher ed is a prime example of that.
passed with majority of the citizens opposing
restricted speech ,,, Berkeley (for 1)
conservative views not welcome or invited
AHCA - was that a Freudian slip?
How much of dislike of the ACA was due to bullshït peddling?
They keep inviting conservatives to Berkeley...
And you know a lot of the clashes happen because of instigators.
@Drew - last two years = heightened propaganda.
so you believe universities are non partisan?
I got some bridges to sell
Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA
Did I say that?
1. you didn't answer the question
2. it's only instigators
3. it's heightened propaganda
So I didn't say it and you're putting words in my mouth.
"only instigators" - Another thing I didn't say.
Basically you're full of ####.
Heightened propaganda - there absolutely has been heightened propaganda against higher ed. the last few
Safe spaces, snowflakes, SJW, etc.
basically you're pulling the same shìt as the rest of the political chicken fùckers.
"I never actually said that (! implied it, never really said it !), so I'm innocent"
keep fùcking, doc
Nope. Never said it or implied it. You jumped the gun and choose to whine rather than admit you were wrong.
There have been a bunch of incidents that have contributed to that bad sentiment in the past two years though. Can't just claim heightened propaganda I think.
Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA
You're right, there's more to it than that.
I thought this was interesting
I thought reading some of the letters to university of Missouri from alumni was interesting. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434545/mizzou-firings-chronicle-campus-crisis
I think the propaganda has played a large part of it though. Social media has walled us off into echo chambers.
Anti-higher Ed sentiment had existed for years, but now it's more concentrated and amplified
Like a fart you've been holding during a big date
Interesting letters. The protests rankled some feathers obviously. Race things usually do.
The #### swastika was probably just the tip of the iceberg.
What about the fact that the university capitulated to mob demands.
Why did they have to resort to a mob to enact change?
Because prior to this all happening, it didn't sound like Mizzou was doing much to respond to racist acts on campus.
How widespread that was, who knows, but perception is reality.
Apparently a mob mentality vs a discussion is the preferred method to get what want, similar to a temper tantrum.
Just rolling over has costs also.
Funding deltas soon lean to lower education thresholds.
Isn't this the same school where students attempted to censor the 1st Amendment?
The students were passing laws restricting speech as members of Congress?
You should probably reread what the first amendment says.
Preferred method? Doubtful. Discussion and "raising awareness" sounds like it wasn't getting anywhere before the protests. And now Mizzou is feeling the pain from inaction.
But no, I guess the students should've kept their mouths shut and continued to take it in silence. That was clearly working. Another 10 years they might have something to show for it.
Wouldn't want to upset the donors.
Well they sure are upset now lol.
There's also what seems like a weird uptick in "fake" hate crimes on some of the most liberal campuses, they aren't "fake" in the sense it happens and people get very upset but then the perpetrator is
Often a member of one of those anti-racist groups or something like that and the motivation was "trying to gin up awareness"
The good old false flag.
Those backfire and need to stop.
Yep, the donors are upset now.
It's sad that people seem more outraged about their precious Alma mater losing prestige than they do about the racial tensions on campus.
It's like there's not enough of the real hate or something? I never understood this.
Might have worked if they hadn't been caught.
Then there's the general sense of higher-ed pushing a lot of useless degrees (not every degree obviously) along with large tuition hikes, excess numbers of administrators, and high-costs trying to make the school like Club Med.
And then ya throw in the for-profit colleges and Trump Universities...
All true, but parents can't/don't pay for college as much as they used to. The costs of those excesses and useless degrees fall mostly on the students.
Well you don't have to pay for it to get angry at that
I love how DeVos is trying to undo the protections for students for the failed for-profits.
Corporations and donors > students.
Never saw that coming /s
Having to pay for it makes you angrier...
Well of course
But knowing your kid will be paying for it (maybe even neglecting you in your old age because of that) doesn't exactly make you feel warm and fuzzy.
No, but parents also know that the degree, even in the so called useless majors, still brings better job security and higher income.
And let's be honest - old age is expensive compared to college.
College costs/loan debt are a time bomb waiting to happen. Huge effect on the economy. But that's a subject for a different thread - I don't think that has much to do with the widening partisan divide over higher ed
did I say "passing laws"?
how about.. Isn't this the same school that students where restricting press access?
No you didn't.
The first amendment does though. You should read what it says.
If you're going to involve the first amendment, you kinda need to know a bit about it.
It doesn't apply here.
Skal, is it your position that racism was rampant at MSU? The letters don't seem to give that impression.
You may be able to say every school condones racism, I'm fairly confident I can locate a group of students on every campus.
Involve = invoke
Rather inadequately addressed by administration - That's seems to be what the students thought.
I'm not sure that many of the letter writers (but not all) would have been in a position to know.
The letters from other students - absolutely.
The letters from donors and parents who only saw the protests covered on tv from their favorite media source, probably not.