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WOW!! pos 45 states he's willing to testify under oath, if he is trying to prove his honesty. RYFT -"RELEASE YOUR FREAKING TAXES" first.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

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waiting to hear his excuse for not.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

Chicago Loop, Chicago, IL

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Distraction!

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Either Donald or James is lying. I wonder which one it could be.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Really! Dr. Evil i sense a little sarcasm in your statement. Orange face buffoon is a proven liar.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Neither has shown themselves to be pillars of integrity

AMi @ 2 months ago

Elmhurst, IL, USA

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integrity: the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles what did Comey do to make you cast doubt on his integrity?

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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Ami are you talking about the James Comey that was fired, he the Mount Rushmore of intergity compared to known and proven liar in the oval office.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Tjaden, you're a smart guy, I think the fact that he was easily influenced to lie about the nature of the investigation into the criminal Hillary Clinton should say enough about his integrity

AMi @ 2 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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What did he lie about. He statement she was foolish for having a private sever, but hasn't broken any laws. I didn't like the bs stunt he pulled two week before the election. I can't questions his intergity because of it.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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I bet you can't

AMi @ 2 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Someone is a grandstanding showboat.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Pos 45 made the claim he would testify under oath for his supporters, he would last first question without lying. He is the poster child for dishonest grandstanding showboat.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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bhaven - was that statement about her private server a lie or an opinion?

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

New East Side, Chicago, IL

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it was Comey opinion, because Secy Clinton didn't break any laws.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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so I asked you for what lie he told, and you have me a statement of professional opinion he made...

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

New East Side, Chicago, IL

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and you know the only reason she want charged was because they couldn't prove intent, right?

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

New East Side, Chicago, IL

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Lynch was running political interference and that meeting with Bill forced his hand. Sessions is involved in the Russia investigation. neither AG could be trusted.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

New East Side, Chicago, IL

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I'm confused why intent actually mattered though

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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It's like an added qualification to the statute that Comey added himself.

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Not sure it isn't statutory. Intent is a requirement of many criminal laws. Sure makes things subjective, doesn't it? Juries full of idiots are easily swayed on that sort of thing, as you can imagine.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Simple theft, for example, requires intent. If you buy 5 candy bars and the checkout person charges you got only 1 but you didn't realize it, you haven't stolen anything by walking out of the store with 5 candy bars.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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(for only 1) On the other hand, if you decide to steal the candy bars, put them in your pocket, then change your mind before leaving the store and put them back, you have committed a theft, in the legal sense.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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The crime of theft has two elements: asportation and intent. Both elements must be proven to constitute the crime.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Moving the candy bars with the intent to take them constitutes a crime in fact. So sometimes the legal outcome of a particular situation can be a bit...well, counterintuitive.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Speaking of elections, here's the alternative coverage of the recent UK election. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/09/lord-buckethead-elmo-and-mr-fish-finger-a-very-british-election

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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"We did not find evidence sufficient to establish that she knew she was sending classified information beyond a reasonable doubt to meet the intent standard" BTW Bhaven, Comey never said she didn't break any laws.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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His statement above implies that she did break the law. However, they couldn't prove that she knew she was breaking the laws, therefore no criminal charges. Hence the comments about her being extremely careless.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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He didn't say she did either, if they had an ounce of proof she broken the law or released highly classified info. They would have brought charges.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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did you miss his announcement? he said exactly how many classified emails were on her private server. what was missing was intent.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

O'Hare, Chicago, IL

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Basically they couldn't prosecute because there was a possibility that she was a complete numbskull

AMi @ 2 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Confidential is a classification in the world of security. She not POTUS he done his job in preventing that from happening with that bogus new emails announcement in October.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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“Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgement is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.” ^evidence right there^

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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"Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before deciding whether to bring charges. There are obvious considerations like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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consider the context of a person’s actions and how similar situations have been handled in the past."

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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@AMI - basically. And being a numbskull saved her from jail but lost her the presidency.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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In case you forgot the quote, Bhaven: "110 emails, in 52 email chains, have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received."

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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"Eight of those chains contained information that was ‘Top Secret’ at the time they were sent; 36 of those chains contained ‘Secret’ information at the time; eight contained ‘Confidential’ information at the time.”

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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Note that 42/52 of those chains were at security levels above "Confidential", so don't try to minimize it with "Confidential is a classification in the world of security"

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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"potential violations" in other words their the potential of no violations.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Have you handled U.S. government classified material, their always the potential. Not doing the proper procedures when locking a safe is a potential violations.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Keep trying. She was found to be storing classified information on an unsecured private server located in her basement. That's an undeniable fact. The only reason she wasn't charged was because she supposedly

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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Didn't know what she was doing.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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She broke no law.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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It wasn't unsecure, it just wasn't under the government security system.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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not even 18 USC 1924?

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

O'Hare, Chicago, IL

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Just like in the military, you can have a lock on a safe, but if it isn't a government issue series 10 lock by protocol it unsecure, even those there's a lock present. Just like her server it had a security system, just not the government.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Bhaven, the simple fact is that if any non Democrat was in the same position as Clinton, you would be insisting that they be brought to justice

AMi @ 2 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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There's nothing to be brought to justice for, so your statement is asinine. Since we are assume if a democrat POTUS would've done a 1/3 of crap pos 45 has done you would be asking your rep to draw an article for impeachment.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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my computer is password protected. can I store classified information on it? that's a lazy argument...

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

O'Hare, Chicago, IL

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check out 18 USC 1924 and get back to me B

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

O'Hare, Chicago, IL

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a computer and a server are quite different. Your computer firewall is being established by a server. So that argument is also lazy, she commited no crime.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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If her server was so vulnerable, why was the wikileak leaks from John Podesta computer?.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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my computer is a server. so is my raspberry pi.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

O'Hare, Chicago, IL

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I've run servers of various types for over a decade. I'm well aware what a server is.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

O'Hare, Chicago, IL

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Podesta got spearphished and gave up his password. and it wasn't from his computer - it was a cloud based account.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

O'Hare, Chicago, IL

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anyways, check out 18 USC 1924 and get back to me.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

O'Hare, Chicago, IL

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So that means you're well aware, if you wanted too you can.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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I'll use the Paul Ryan defense Secy Clinton was a rookie at being the Secretary of State.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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No need wasn't a crime, you can quote 18 USC 1924 all you want. So the cloud server was hacked, but not Secy Clinton so called unsecured server in Mom & Pop' s basement. Hmm very interesting.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Willful ignorance

AMi @ 2 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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What is 18 USC 1924, bhaven?

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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Cloud server was never hacked. He gave away his password.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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Sorry she didn't mishandled or give classified information to an authorized personal or entity. So what's the problem if John Podesta gave his pw away. Ami like the 46% that voted for pos 45.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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You do know you just likened yourself to Trump voters

AMi @ 2 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Yes, if you're admitting they were ignorant for voting pos 45.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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"So what's the problem if John Podesta gave his pw away." Do you really know that little about the specifics of both the FBI "matter" and Podesta leak?

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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"she didn't mishandled" You gotta be fùcking kidding me. Did you even listen to Comey say anything about the case?

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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Yes, there isn't anything here to see folks, no crime, no charges.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Every crime violates the law, but not every violation of the law is a crime

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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"she didn't mishandled" Yeah... I'm seeing a problem with that one that's completely unrelated to the topic.

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Central Park, New York, NY

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Bhaven/Chelsea 2020

AMi @ 2 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Was her server hacked? Not one time did Comey claims her so called unsecure server was compromised. The only reason he said she was careless, because she wasn't under the government system.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Unsecure is not synonymous with compromised. So you're acknowledging she used a non-government system to store and transmit classified info. That's the whole fricken point. Glad you're finally coming around.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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It was secure, it was secured enough not to be hacked. No the fricken point is there wasn't any point. Just more bs accusations that turned up nothing.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Turned up nothing? She stored classified information at her house.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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Yeah ok but she didn't know that kinda thing wasn't allowed.

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Hillary has looked pretty pathetic recently, she needs to do herself a favor and ride off into the sunset

AMi @ 2 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Agreed ami. Regarding Hillary's server issues, you can't make a credible case for intent. Being careless and stupid are hallmarks of our entire government in case no one has noticed. If being stupid was a crime, Capitol Hill would be empty.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Why Ami, Newt Gingrich has rode off, and he has sound pretty pathetic for long time.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Newt who?

AMi @ 2 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I wish that were the case. He was sounding pathetic just yesterday after the shooting in Va.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Is he your Uncle?

AMi @ 2 months ago

Addison, IL, USA

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I still don't understand why there's a need for intent, didn't the statute say just negligence?

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Central Park, New York, NY

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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/437479/fbi-rewrites-federal-law-let-hillary-hook (I just remembered this old article about it)

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Central Park, New York, NY

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The espionage act mentioned gross negligence, not this one. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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That's the law referenced in the article.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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Hey maybe we'll have a woman in charge of investigating Trump... wonder what he'll rate her? Maybe a 6? https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/16/15821266/associate-attorney-general-rachel-brand-rosenstein-trump-russia-investigation

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Ami you need a life vest swimming in the Denial River. If Newt were my Uncle, I would've told him to sit his unstable ass down. Accusing Robert Mueller of being in the deep state. Pos 45 is a disaster.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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lol at "the Denial River"

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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I really don't think Hillary has learned one thing from the election. She seems to fancy herself the hero of the left, welcome back by us all with open arms as the person who should have been elected.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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She still doesn't seem to understand that she herself is the cause of her own unpopularity. While that was certainly affected by Comey et al., her hubris prevents her from seeing some basic truths about herself.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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For example: the American people are sick to fúcking death of the Clintons and their chummy, entitled attitude. I believe it's why Obama was nominated over Hillary in '08. Bill doesn't help either. Good POTUS, bad 1st dude material.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Hillary lost a very winnable election with that kinda attitude, awful strategy to go for a blowout popular vote-wise but not worry enough about electoral and of course with zero, zero charm compared with Bill.

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Central Park, New York, NY

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She really should be exiled from the party at this point at least temporarily while they sort themselves out and concentrate on 2018 and 2020.

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Central Park, New York, NY

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Agreed evil and Drew

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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According to Newt Gingrich the President technically can't obstruct justice, but he impeached President Clinton for that same offense over a bj in oval office.

Bhaven87 @ 2 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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