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Lmao gender studies. http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/conceptual-penis-social-contruct-sokal-style-hoax-on-gender-studies/

The Drew @ 3 months ago

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So an open access journal published a crappy/fake paper without proper peer review. Not shocking. Most open access is garbage - they'll publish anything if you give them money.

Tjaden Froyda @ 3 months ago

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Not shocking the easiest to do that with would be gender studies

The Drew @ 3 months ago

Glen Cove, NY, USA

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It's more a function of the journal than the topic. Retractionwatch is a great site, btw.

Tjaden Froyda @ 3 months ago

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I wonder if more of *those* kinds of journals exist for soft social studies though.

The Drew @ 3 months ago

Glen Cove, NY, USA

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They exist for every discipline - plenty in the harder sciences too. Academic positions usually depend on publication productivity, so they fill a void to pad CV's - if the author is willing to pay $2-3k per paper.

Tjaden Froyda @ 3 months ago

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Well what could go wrong with that?

The Drew @ 3 months ago

Glen Cove, NY, USA

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That's why the h-index is nice. These crap studies don't get cited, so they are academically worthless for most promotion committees.

Tjaden Froyda @ 3 months ago

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http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2013/10/03/228859954/some-online-journals-will-publish-fake-science-for-a-fee

Tjaden Froyda @ 3 months ago

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https://nyti.ms/2mQUwH6

Tjaden Froyda @ 3 months ago

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That's a disservice to us all, and gives critics of any type of science an easy path to discredit some result they don't like. It's like the for-profit universities destroying the credibility of a degree.

Dr. Evil @ 3 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Except in the university case, people aren't liable to use the bad behavior of a few greedy people as justification to dismiss every degree as worthless.

Dr. Evil @ 3 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Agreed...but don't really know of a way to stop it, other than public shaming. Lots of public shaming.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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The more the better I agree. but these days any dumb maneuver in the scientific community is some sort of excuse to denigrate science overall and every scientist on the planet. By and large scientists are more honest than the general public, imo.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Eagan, MN, USA

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Also scientists care about finding the truth. It's the whole job, isn't it? Odd to be an attorney, where the goal isn't the truth...the goal is to win.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Eagan, MN, USA

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(it was quite a shift in thinking for me after all those years of seeking truth.)

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Eagan, MN, USA

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really????

H2O @ 2 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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lol, yes. If you're my client, you pay me to be persuasive while also being truthful (and yes, the sin of omission can apply). Persuasion is a learned skill that separates the pros from the rookies.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Oak Park Heights, MN 55082, USA

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It's the skill of legal persuasion, combined with the facts I uncover and put out there to apply to the law, that equals success. Success is what matters.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Oak Park Heights, MN 55082, USA

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My track record of success is what keeps the clients coming back. Successes build on each other, in my business, where I handle over 500 active patent cases for just one of my clients.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Oak Park Heights, MN 55082, USA

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Being a good bench chemist and researcher in the past makes me unbeatable at uncovering the facts...but without persuasiveness, the facts have no legs.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Oak Park Heights, MN 55082, USA

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c'mon evil, scientists care about funding as much as the truth. ideally that funding comes from sources seeking absolute truth, but you know as well as I that industry pays much better for half truths.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

Chicago, IL 60611, USA

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And the truths that don't get funded? Those take a *long* time to be reached.

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Never understood this silly idea of scientists being pure and incorruptible high priests of 'The Truth™"... They are human just like everyone else.

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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scientists aren't. they've done a fairly decent job of policing themselves though, which is where the good reputation comes from. the bad ones do serious damage, even when caught.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

New East Side, Chicago, IL

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plus, the really bad ones makes for great movie plots

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

New East Side, Chicago, IL

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Not to mention the bad ones that experimented on humans but the data was ok and still being used today. (Nazi work on hypothermia I think)

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Also stuff on high altitude effects on human body I think.

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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And a bunch of others. huge ethical dilemmas on referencing that data for future research. Human subjects protection has come a long way since then - that's a good thing.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

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I once read about the guy who was perfecting the restraint systems in jet fighters. Rather than subjecting others to the stresses of testing, he did it homself. He rode a skid down a steep track into a pond.

jc @ 2 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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The rapid deceleration caused his eyes to come out of their sockets. The restraints held. No other major injury occurred. Now that's dedication. btw His eyesight was restored.

jc @ 2 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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Do scientists still shock the monkey??

AMi @ 2 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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idk

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

New East Side, Chicago, IL

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I'm not disagreeing Skål, but relative to other professions the scientific community is by and large a truthful and ethical bunch.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Hudson, WI 54016, USA

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Oddly enough, lawyers are the most ethical group of people I've known personally. It's because of the reputation and the resulting constant suspicion of anything we do. Gotta be squeaky clean, really.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Hudson, WI 54016, USA

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Naturally that isn't universal either, I'm painting with very broad brush strokes here. But lawyers as a group are hypersensitive to ethical issues. Courtroom behavior is the main driver of the bad rep, I think.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Hudson, WI 54016, USA

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I agree -relatively yes. but we definitely have had *huge* ethical lapses historically. thankfully, the community learns and tries to prevent it from happening again.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

New East Side, Chicago, IL

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So I'm a sales executive....

AMi @ 2 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I'll agree with the bit on the scientists but everyone knows all lawyers are scum.

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Better call Saul

AMi @ 2 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Yes it's true that "everyone" thinks they know that.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Guess what, we all know you think that. And we know if you need us you'll still suspect we're gouging you. I bet you don't think that about doctors, do you. Just trust them to do the right thing, true? Don't you figure they know that?

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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I've known a few excellent lawyers

AMi @ 2 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I'm telling you, the fact that we all know society tends to hate lawyers, is a strong deterrent...until you get into the upper echelons of corporate power, where frankly no rules really apply to anyone.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Or government power

AMi @ 2 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Unnecessary tests and passive fear mongering

AMi @ 2 months ago

Elmhurst, IL, USA

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there definitely are docs that are opportunistic jerks. surprise billing/balance billing are examples of that gouging.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

New East Side, Chicago, IL

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Rather have a doctor gouger than a slimy lawyer that begets even more slimy lawyers and can even - gasp - become slimier politicians.

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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John Edwards

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Dr Oz

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

New East Side, Chicago, IL

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Dr. al-Assad.. Ah #### that's one of you guys.

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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true that. never trust docs from specialties you can't spell.

Tjaden Froyda @ 2 months ago

New East Side, Chicago, IL

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Thanks for proving a couple of my key points in this discussion, Drew.

Dr. Evil @ 2 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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You're welcome, gonna bill me for it?

The Drew @ 2 months ago

Central Park, New York, NY

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