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Is there a "deep state" in your opinion? If yes, what evidence tends to indicate it exists?

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

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Yes, mostly circumstantial though. I'm a fan of this essay by Mike Lofgren. http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Maybe a better question is why *wouldn't* it exist?

The Drew @ 7 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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All you need to do is watch Ancient Aliens

AMi @ 7 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Entrenched bureaucrats are a given, and they have their counterparts in private businesses as we've all experienced. But to think there is a larger conspiracy to it? They're just keeping their own asses employed...

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Or a bit of hive-mind.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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The US is a deep state with the illusion of democracy. The concept of the US is to manipulate the people, the attempt to manipulate the world's population.

[08/15] @ 7 months ago

Luckenwalde, Deutschland

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But for me The US and its inhabitants is only a nuclear power that is not able to defend their house and court without allies. Conventionally, the United States has failed in all wars at the very beginning

[08/15] @ 7 months ago

Luckenwalde, Deutschland

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You're wrong about the concept of the United States. Problem is we're so far from that concept. There is an awesome quote from the Federalist Papers, courtesy of Mr. Madison, that explains the human conundrum of government by the people...

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Federalist Papers 51: "If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men,

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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... the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself."

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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We're kind of losing our grip on the obligation end of that deal.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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We have been for quite a long time now. Nixon kind of broke that barrier, as far as public information of such things goes.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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I agree that the present manifestation of entrenched government bureaucracy is really all about national security. After 9/11 there was a crazy ramping up of duplicative efforts all over, private orgs now included (Blackwater etc.).

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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I remember a lot of voices in the wilderness warning us that one hand no longer knew what the other was doing, plus it was costing a ton of money to support. Now at the same time comes the PATRIOT Act etc. to give them all a lot of independent power

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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And we see every day the outcome of all that, effectively we have no privacy anymore and should not expect it. If that's what you want to call the Deep State then I'm with Bannon & co., let's get rid of that shít.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Your article was a good one Skål and I see it's points. But I don't think this is what Bannon & co. are seeking to destroy when they reference this dreaded Deep State of legend.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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The problem with the angels is the definition. A country like the USA, which targeted soldiers to kill, advertise Sporty youth before graduation with brainwashing, has only one goal. The absolute control over the world.

[08/15] @ 7 months ago

Luckenwalde, Deutschland

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And now the manipulation comes into play. The US is God and makes their soldiers believe they are angels

[08/15] @ 7 months ago

Luckenwalde, Deutschland

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The similarity of your country with Prussia is very striking

[08/15] @ 7 months ago

Luckenwalde, Deutschland

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I don't doubt it can look like that. But we only want to control the parts of the world that have the good stuff, come on now! Petroleum and precious metals there for us to take except those pesky other countries have a problem with it. What? Why?

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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