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The nerve of this narcissistic tangerine tinted, draft dodging coward. Considering a military option, when he ran like a little boy with soiled underwear when his name was called. Why are these gop paper tigers so tough with other people children

Bhaven87 @ 7 months ago

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So far, he's just gotten tough with fifty million dollars worth of cruise missles.

jc @ 7 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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#### the kids who are being gassed right.? That's cool

AMi @ 7 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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This is all on Obama and his limp wrist, cowardly foreign policies

AMi @ 7 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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No he asked Congress to vote for the approval for military action. They refuse to do their job. if his policy were so limp wrist how many foreign terrorist occurred in yhis country since 9/11.

Bhaven87 @ 7 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Ami, let them come to America, if you're so concern about their well being. I'm more concern about our kids dying over in foreign land, because this pos of a coward. trying to show how tough his cowardly lying ass is.

Bhaven87 @ 7 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Political grandstanding (which is what he was best at) is all that was. Obama had no problem acting unilaterally on more than a few occasions.

AMi @ 7 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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We need to minimize Russian and Iranian influence from that region and return it to pre Obama levels

AMi @ 7 months ago

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No you really mean the two war that destabilizing the region, by killing Saddan Hussain.

Bhaven87 @ 7 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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No keeping us safe from another 9/11 type attack is whathewas best at. killing terrorists on their home soil was what he was best at.

Bhaven87 @ 7 months ago

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Why oh why would we want to minimize the russian influence. The last time they were heavily invested in the region they spent a fortune. Then they went home with their tail between their legs.

jc @ 7 months ago

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Afghanistan is not that region

AMi @ 7 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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And the less influence Russia has anywhere, the better

AMi @ 7 months ago

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@AMI - bhaven is right. Obama asked for Congressional approval to attack Syria and they said no. Not just that, they threatened impeachment if he went forward. That's not limp wristed, that's checks and balances.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/255784560904773633

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Also, how effective was the attack if they warned Russia (who passed the info to their ally Syria) so Syria could move out equipment ahead of time?

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/06/the-us-warned-the-russians-ahead-of-syria-missile-strikes-official.html

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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By all accounts it was quite effective. The airbase is practically destroyed. Minimal human casualties. Maximum political and emotional effect.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Main runway mostly intact and we tipped them off before the strike. Only lost 9 planes. And potentially unlawful. Does distract from SCOTUS and the Russia scandal though.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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I dont think the intent was to destroy their Air Force. It was a message that theres a new cowboy in town. I think they got the message but only time will tell. But the talking points do push for the distraction angle.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I'm anxiously awaiting the Republicans who threatened impeachment for Obama attacking Syria without Congressional approval to start moving ahead with impeachment proceedings. Any minute now.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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New cowboy in town that doesn't care about requiring little things like Congressional approval for attacking a sovereign nation that has neither attacked us nor have he declared war upon.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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*we All that Constitution pounding has been for show.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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That ship sailed long ago.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2017-04-07/can-the-president-attack-another-country-without-congress

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I've often heard the requirement to obtain congressional approval before going to war. Let's examine that. The constitution doesn't specify this other than saying congress has the authority to declare war.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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But what does that mean exactly? Have we declared war on Syria? What does war mean in today's world?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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What constitutes an act of war?

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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And how does the war powers act play into all of this?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Bombing a military base of a country you are not at war with sounds like an act of war. You'd be damn sure we'd consider it an act of war if some country bombed one of our bases.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Is an act of war separate and distinct from a declaration of war?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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If that happened to is we would likely declare war on that country. But would that be automatic? Would we be required to declare war on them? I think we wouldn't be required to do so.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I think they're different. What Trump did (and obama before him and Bush before him and Clinton before him) was certainly an act of war but not a declaration of war nor a commitment to war.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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In this day and age there's a difference between a cruise missle strike or a drone strike and boots on the ground. How are they distinguished when it comes to declaring war?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Does the WPA grant the President some leeway in these kinds of actions? From what I've read, it appears so.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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WPA requires "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces." For that leeway. That didn't happen.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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That's to "introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities". Is that the case here?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Is there anything that dictates that congress must approve of any military action beforehand?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I thought Obama decided to go before Congress mainly because David Cameron went before Parliament.

The Drew @ 7 months ago

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"introduce into hostilities": we attacked Syria's military. Why wouldn't they be hostile in return towards ours?

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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You know the are certain circumstances where unilateral action is allowed without congresses approval. Not an emergency here, and national interest is a stretch.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Do you consider lobbing 59 cruise missles introducing United States Armed forces into hostilities? I'm not sure I would. And what are the certain circumstances where unilateral action is allowed? Where r they delineated?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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bmoron, did you use the same definitions for WJ Clinton?

H2O @ 7 months ago

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Was Congress get to provide approval for Libya?

H2O @ 7 months ago

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The question is, was congressional approval needed for Libya ? If so, where is that stated?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Libya was scope creep for the original AUMF. ISIS is not al-qaeda, and Congressional approval should've been sought.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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As per what? What dictates that congressional approval is required for any military action? Is this really that tough of a question?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Obama argued that the fight against ISIS in Libya was an extension of the fight to against terrorists in general after 9/11. That's too broad of an interpretation IMO.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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That seems to be the universal answer. Silence. I don't get it.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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What silence? The Constitution is the answer. The president can't​ just decide on a whim to attack any country without justification.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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so why was Obama constantly attacking Yemen without provocation? .

H2O @ 7 months ago

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Same justification. Any country with ISIS would be an extension of the original AUMF targeting al-qaeda. Yemen is a hotbed.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Did you forget they attack one of our ship in Yemen, and American Iman you're always crying about was orchestrating terrorist attacks from Yemen. If i have credible intel, no matter the country, i will authorize a mission to bring them to justice.

Bhaven87 @ 7 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Hysteria voted for this draft dodging pos coward, Clinton too was a draft dodger. He had sense enough not to be provoke like this asswipe, trying to prove how big his testicles are. He didn't have all this bravado when his number was called.

Bhaven87 @ 7 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Small, are you saying the constitution says congress must pre approve any military scullion? I haven't seen that in the constitution. Can you please provide the word age that dictates this?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Skal *

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Your evasiveness is telling. I'm not trying to fight you. I'm trying to have a conversation. Maybe we can all learn something here.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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You said the bombing was possibly illegal. What crime may have been committed?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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"sense enough not to promote",,,, how about Somalia? Afghanistan? Bosnia? Iraq (no fly zone)?

H2O @ 7 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Bhippy, you obviously have no problems killing American citizens without a trial, but a trial is in the Constitution

H2O @ 7 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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My question is simple enough. Is it required for congress to authorize any military action? If so, where is that requirement spelled out?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Possibly illegal. Yes, that's what I said. Actual legal experts are wrangling about the legality of the strike. I'm sure you've read these.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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My answer is simple enough. I never said Congress must pre approve any military action. That's you attempting to put words in my mouth and I refuse to defend something I never said.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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My answer was that there are special circumstances when POTUS can launch an attack on another country without Congressional approval. These circumstances are in the WPA as we've mentioned in passing.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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There's more to it than just the WPA, hence the possibly illegal. It's not settled.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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The WPA requires congressional approval prior? Is that what you're saying?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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WPA "SEC. 3. The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situation where imminent involvement in hostilities..."

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Do you think "consult" means to get approval?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Also by illegal, you mean breaking a law. What law?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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"Congressional approval prior" When did I use the word prior? Try reading my words. I'm not defending something I didn't say.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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This is the second time you've tried putting those words in my mouth. Not once have i said pre-approval from Congress is needed by law. If you actually want to have a conversation, you need to stop doing that.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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I'm not saying you said that. That's my question for this conversation. Is congressional approval required for military action? If it is, where is this written? If it isn't, how is this recent action wrong?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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When I ask "is that what you're saying?" I'm asking you if that's what you're saying. If I say "you said" I'm saying you said.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I apologize if I wasn't clear enough.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I'm not looking at this as a "what I think vs what you think" kind of conversation. I'm hoping this can be an open conversation regarding congressional approval for military operations.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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What law? Maybe Article I, section 8, clause 11 - but that really depends on if an act of war against the military of a sovereign state is the same as a declaration of war.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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My answer was and still is that congressional approval is not needed for all military operations. It's my opinion that the executive has expanded their power to launch military operations unilaterally with minimal

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Legal justification. I think that the "vital national security interest" justification is incredibly broad, personally, and gives the executive basically carte blanche for military operations without checks or balances.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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"New cowboy in town that doesn't care about requiring little things like Congressional approval for attacking a sovereign nation that has neither attacked us nor have he declared war upon."

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I read this as you thinking he needed congressional approval. Am I incorrect?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Yes, that's my view. I think that attacking the military of a sovereign nation is a declaration of war against that nation The constitution says that requires congressional approval.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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We then discussed certain circumstances where the executive doesn't need to get approval before action (enumerated in the WPA). None of those conditions seem to apply to Syria, although an argument is being built

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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By Trump's team that it does, based on precedent from the last 30 years of expanding executive power and a Congress unwilling to reign in that power.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Not everyone shares my view that attacking the military of another country = act of war = declaration of war. I'd like to know what it is then.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Frankly, the mental gymnastics needed to explain how we're still in peacetime with a country after blowing up one of their bases and killing their soldiers unprovoked are worthy of a Gold Medal or three.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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how about protecting our troops? . there are 200-500 U.S. troops in Syria (left by Obama), that seriously could be affected by a chemical attack. . or do we wait to destroy them until we see dead Americans? .

H2O @ 7 months ago

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That argument could be used to justify any preemptive attack. NK has nukes. Are we going to take them out or wait until we see dead Americans? Repeat for every other bad group.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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the question becomes, "Does that satisfy executive action without Congress declaring war or Congressional approval prior to the attack?"

H2O @ 7 months ago

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We all know how well Congress can keep a secret, so that takes surprise element away. .

H2O @ 7 months ago

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That doesn't become the question at all.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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We have soldiers in NK? Is NK using nukes against its people? Where's the equivalence?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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H2O has a point. We have troops on the ground. Assad has used chemical weapons. Congress was consulted. Trump satisfied his requirements. Or so it appears.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I'm still not understanding. The Constitution doesn't say the president is required to get congressional approval for military action. Neither does the WPA.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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You've said he may have broken the law but are unable to provide exactly which law he broke.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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According to you were at war with Syria. What's the next step? Do you expect any ground to ground combat? And do you expect more bombings? Do you expect Syria to a strike us?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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None of which will likely happen. So what would that mean? The quickest war in the history of war?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Equivalence = preemptive strike justified by a potential threat.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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The Constitution is the law of the land. I gave you the exact clause that he may have broken.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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So "military action" is the verbiage of choice then. Whatever. We took military action against the military of a sovereign state, blew up their base and killed their soldiers.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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You guys are right. That doesn't sound like the start of a war at all. /S

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Why do you think none of that is likely to happen? Trump's promising more...

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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US Troops on the ground & use of chemical weapons on its people vs no US troops on the ground and no nuke use on people = no equivalence.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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The comstitution only states that congress has the authority to declare war. I guess this, like everything else, depends on your definition. What is a declaration of war and what is a war.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I think there's a difference between military action and a declared war. And this isn't a new debate. Only a handful of our nations wars have been "declared wars".

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Oh hey, I can play that game too! Troops on ground in SK in potential danger and more nearby in the sea, NK has been test firing balistic missiles and threatening to attack us "mercilessly".

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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WW2 being the last one. How many times since WW2 have we taken military action against a sovereign country?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Plenty of equivalence + actual threats against the US by an unstable dictator. Are we going to wait to attack until we see dead Americans?

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Playing a game? WTF?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I don't see any equivalence. As I explained. In country vs neighboring country. Actual use vs threatened use.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Anywho. The US has only actually declared war in 5 wars.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Geographic proximity similar. Syria is a big country. NK and SK, not so much. And we have a lot more troops at risk in and around SK.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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They've authorized military action on other conflicts. Apparently congress makes a distinction between a declared war and a military action.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Even if you don't.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Re threatened vs. actual use. The presumption is that since they used them against their own citizen, that they could use them against our troops (but haven't). That's basically threatened use.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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The WPA doesn't require congressional approval. Only congressional consultation. Big difference.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Although I don't believe the WPA applies in this instance.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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You always make this so personal. Why? It's not like I'm the only person in the country that questions the legality of the strike. I don't think it would've been lawful for obama to do it without authorization and I

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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BTW. NK and SK are over 85K sq miles combined and Syria is just over 70k square miles.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Don't think it was when Trump actually did it. People have been debating the legality of a unilateral millitary action without congressional auth since Obama's red line comment (since Congress refused).

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Personal? LMAO. I'm just trying to have a conversation on this. If u scroll up you'll see that you've taken your usual defensive positions when discussing anything with me. I'm just trying to learn here. Figure this out.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Reasonable people can and do disagree on it's legality. That's why i qualified is as "possibily illegal" from the start of this thread - it definitely hasn't been settled.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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I thought we can have a discussion. Throw ideas around. I'm not dead set on any outcome. I'm trying to see if any of those other people are accurate. Or if the ones who say it was legit are accurate.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Just wondering? What did I say that made you feel I'm making this personal?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Sorry, the phrasing i used was "potentially unlawful".

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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"Even if you don't"

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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It appears that you take a certain position and get insulted when anything is introduced that challenges that position. That's not a conversation. That's you sticking to your guns even if they are shooting blanks.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Like I said, I've heard over and over again that the President needs congressional approval to strike. I've never really delved into the minutiae of the topic. Until now.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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What I've found is interesting. In reality the POTUS has wide authority over the military and military actions. Nothing that I've found limits that with the exception of formal declarations of war which lie with congress

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Even if you don't stems from

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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"Not everyone shares my view that attacking the military of another country = act of war = declaration of war. I'd like to know what it is then."

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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"Get insulted when anything is introduced that challeneges that position" Get over yourself. Nothing you said was insulting. I'm not sticking to my guns so much as explaining my reasoning.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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You don't make a distinction. Congress does. Thus "even if you don't". Not personal. Basing it on your words.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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If nothing I said was insulting what are you complaining about me making it personal? You're not making sense and all this side talk is detracting from the topic.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Over 200 conflicts and only 11 actual declarations in 5 wars.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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That tells me there's a difference.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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And that goes for any President. Red blue or purple.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I've said it was potentially unlawful. that's been clear since the debate when Obama was considering it. That's why they were ready to file articles of impeachment if he was going to go forward without auth.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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I know that's what you said so I was trying to see where the potential was.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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If it was potentially unlawful when Obama was thinking about doing it, there is no argument that you can make that is going to make it less potentially unlawful when Trump did it.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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I believe the threat of impeachment was all bluster. Nothing new in congress.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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The "potential" was the same argument that was put forward then on the right that is now being put forward on the left (and some on the right, like Rand).

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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I don't know about you but I learned quite a bit in this conversation. Mostly that you're still a díck. LMAO! J/K (or am I?)

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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What's going on here?!

The Drew @ 7 months ago

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A simple question that our friend from Minnesota was having a hard time answering

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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What question did I have a hard time answering, exactly?

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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What law? I gave you the clause in the Constitution.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Scroll up.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I gave you that early on, so it couldn't have been that.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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The question of whether or not the president requires congressional approval before taking any military action.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I've answered that several times.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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#1 You know the are certain circumstances where unilateral action is allowed without congresses approval.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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#2 My answer was that there are special circumstances when POTUS can launch an attack on another country without Congressional approval.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Do I?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I feel like at least one of you guys needs a Snickers®

The Drew @ 7 months ago

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#3 My answer was and still is that congressional approval is not needed for all military operations.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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The WPA specifies introducing US troops into hostilities. I don't think this applies here.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Maybe a simplification will help. Do you think this recent action in Syria required congressional approval?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Depending on your answer, we'll take it from there.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Drew, what's your take on this?

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I've always been confused about it. It's like there's what the Constitution prescribes and what's been actually happening in practice. I guess the rule is the president only goes to Congress when he wants an excuse not to commit to military action.

The Drew @ 7 months ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

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I've given you that answer several times, too. Let me copy and paste my most recent response.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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"Yes, that's my view. I think that attacking the military of a sovereign nation is a declaration of war against that nation The constitution says that requires congressional approval."

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Seriously - you can't say I'm having a tough time answering these questions when I've clearly answered them directly several times as copied and pasted above. Maybe try reading my answers?

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Drew, he needs that snickers stat!

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Just saying that if you want to actually have a discussion, you gotta read my responses. I shouldn't have to repeat myself three to four times in every discussion we have.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Maybe you need to scroll up and re read this conversation.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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This isn't the first time you've claimed that I'm not answering followed by me copying and pasting my responses from earlier in the thread. Gets old...

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Actually you didn't answer. I asked. You didn't answer. I asked. You didn't answer. I had to pose the question just right. Anyone can scroll up and see the conversation. You're being a dick for no reason.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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And even then. You got butthurt because I stated you felt a certain way when you said you felt that way.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Have a good night kid. Over 200 conflicts and wars and only 5 declared. No President has ever gone to jail for taking military action without the congressional declaration of war.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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But maybe you see something congress hasn't seen in over 200 years. After all, you are skal. And NOBODY teaches skal anything. You can't learn anything if you already know everything. Good night gents!

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I actually did answer. Those were my 3 answers copied from earlier in the thread. You may not like the answer, but I directly answered all 3 times.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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I didn't get butthurt when you said "Is it required for congress to authorize any military action? If so, where is that requirement spelled out?" ANY is a key word there. I disagreed with your use of the word ANY.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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That's why my answer said "Special" in the next comment. Huge difference between requiring authorization for any action (ie every action) vs. special ones.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Awww...poor PLC. I don't know what you were expecting to teach me. The topic is unsettled. The experts don't have the answers - but you do? I'm not claiming to have the answers here. Just an opinion on an unsettled topic

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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And hey look, potentially attacking NK is all over Drudge. The Navy is moving in. But my comparison was a stretch...

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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The navy & air force maneuvering is just a show of force, at this time. . sorta like "Hey, you fat little kid, look what I got for your ass, if you fùck up." .

H2O @ 7 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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But Trump going to wait for dead Americans before acting?

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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The NK activity is certainly a purposeful maneuver, but one that so routinely happens that we can couch it in those terms without laughing on the outside.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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The same maneuvers have been conducted a few times in recent years. Each time there was the obligatory round of NK chest thumping about Western acts of aggression etc.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Well they like to do that so they don't have to talk about the starving people in the country

The Drew @ 7 months ago

Riverhead, NY 11901, USA

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Deflection and obfuscation...basic building blocks of totalitarian regimes. Control of the media is the ultimate goal of any such government, because manipulation of everything else becomes so much easier.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Oakdale, MN 55128, USA

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Wait...whose Government was I talking about? I don't remember.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Oakdale, MN 55128, USA

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Obamas government and his control of the media have nothing to do with this Lori. Please keep them out of the conversation.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Right, North Korea. Not the U.S. Thanks for the reminder Taco.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/04/07/the-u-s-government-has-withdrawn-its-request-ordering-twitter-to-identify-a-trump-critic/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.5e0dab094fcb

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Present administration tried but failed in their attempt to uncover anonymous Twitter poster.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Also many prior and well publicized instances of selective media restriction in accessing the present administration. Can you point to anything similar in the previous administration Taco?

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Nothing at all

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/documents-show-obama-white-house-attacked-excluded-fox-news-channel/amp/

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Exclusion of access once to the Pay Czar. I agree Taco, it's certainly not an exclusion of access to POTUS or the daily White House briefing or anything. But it's something.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Regarding war powers of Congress vs. executive powers, I think this is a well thought out article: http://flip.it/xqPWeY.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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The line between what is effectively a police action and war can become extremely fuzzy. For example if the foreign action is via drone exclusively, can you say that U.S. forces were actually engaged? Or was it just machines?

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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404 error, Evil

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

Eagan, MN, USA

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remove the period from the link and it works.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

Eagan, MN, USA

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I found it especially interesting that congress has only declared in 5 wars. Out of over 200 conflicts. Personally I don't consider this action a declaration of war. Not by the definition of war.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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He did notify congress as is required under the WPA. Which I'm on the fence over whether it applies or not.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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I haven't found any law that prohibits this action. Easy since I don't consider it a war.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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wouldn't Obama have effectively started the conflict (war) with Syria? After all he inserted U.S. ground troops to assist rebels opposing the government. .

H2O @ 7 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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following that, Trump could be excused totally for defensive actions for those troops. . i.e. he was defending Obama's legacy. .

H2O @ 7 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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I've been following this post. And I gotta rell you I've never felt so left out. I see this from a totally different angle.

jc @ 7 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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I can't think of a single reason for Assad to use chemical weapons. He is winning. He has the fire power to keep winning. We basically wrote off the rebel struggle in favor of a more concentrated effort against ISIS.

jc @ 7 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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I believe that it's much more likely that the gas was released by hit from an airstrike. It's also possible that a rebel faction detonated it wth the intent of bringing the US back into the fray.

jc @ 7 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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Accidental release after airstrike or false flag are possible. If it was a false flag, it worked.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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The other strange aspect is the statement by Trump that seems to indicate that a few pictures of dying civilians caused him to reverse his recently stated Syria position.

jc @ 7 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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Has he been under a rock for the last few years. Pictures of dying Syrians have certainly not been in short supply.

jc @ 7 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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Maybe conventional weapons and starvation are the only acceptable methods of killing children. I guess you have to draw a line somewhere.

jc @ 7 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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chemical weapons are used solely in contravention of international law, jc, so yes: killing babies with a gun, bomb, or lack of water or food is ok. killing with a gas is not.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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That being said I agree the recent retaliation appears to be, effectively, nothing more than a personal whim based solely on horrible images on the tv.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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I don't gather that there is a plan behind it. It seems to be a simple one-off. Yeah, that will show em! Or are we now into regime change?

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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@PLC - here's Congress using the exact same reasoning for Obama. http://www.rollcall.com/news/policy/87-house-members-sign-syria-letter-to-obama#sthash.ZQPZ0fqd.dpuf You should give them a call since you know better.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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They seem to think the war powers act applies to Obama's plan, and their rationale would fit for Trump's attack. Maybe you can teach them something.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Maybe you're not really up on what happened. Turn on the news. Trump hit Syria with 59 tomahawk cruise missiles. One hit. Quite different from what obama requested.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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A one time military strike is not a war. I don't consider launching cruise missiles engaging US Armed Forces into hostilities as per the WPA

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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But since you want to defer to the wisdom of congress, ask why they didn't declare war in approximately 200 military conflicts/acts in the history of this country. Give them a call. Let me know how that works out for you

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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So is it ok with you, Taco, that POTUS has, in every sense of the word, singlehandedly carried out an unprovoked act of aggression on another sovereign state?

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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And as for your justification that there are Americans in the country and therefore it's a matter of national security, that's just too flimsy because there are American citizens present in nearly every country on the globe, on official U.S.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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government business, pretty much all the time. So using that as national security justification essentially amounts to POTUS gets to pick and choose freely.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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1. Yes. I agree with the actions taken by the commander-in-chief.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Assad broke international law. It's up to the U.S. now to build support from everyone but Russia to take him out, or try and work with Russia to put the guy on a fúcking leash.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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2. 2. The justification was H2Os but I do agree with it. The point being that there are soldiers on the ground. Not to be confused with the civilians working in embassies abroad. There's a difference.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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But feel free to consider it a flimsy justification. If that's how you feel that's how you feel.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Are we at war with Syria? War 1) : a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations (2) : a period of such armed conflict

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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Personally, I don't see the Syrian military striking back at our forces.

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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It seems like Obama tried that international route and failed miserably

Taco Bowl @ 7 months ago

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it was an act of war, though not reciprocated. Does that mean we are at war? I'd say not because Russia said, if we do any more of that, we'll respond...in other words, they're letting us skip this one.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Stillwater, MN 55082, USA

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I agree. We're not at war. Thus no declaration of war. Thus no congressional approval necessary for this recent action. Anything further would depend on the specifics of that action. IMO.

Taco Bowl @ 6 months ago

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Haha, in the U.S. that may be true for all practical purposes. However, for the purposes you are discussing, I don't think whether or not it's a war is, ever was, or ever will be determined by the reaction to our act of aggression!

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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The intent of the Founders in empowering Congress to declare war was to prevent this very thing, actually. They wanted to prevent POTUS from singlehandedly deciding to enter a war. You can understand why.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Otherwise POTUS could use the power of his office to attack other countries on a personal whim. Without a plan. Maybe get us all fúcking killed.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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But then there's the issue of Congress dithering so it's difficult to weigh both sides. When is it a war? Well obviously if it's declared, then it's definitely a war but if undeclared at what point does it become one?

The Drew @ 6 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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And what is it good for?

Tjaden Froyda @ 6 months ago

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Haha

The Drew @ 6 months ago

Greenwich Village, New York, NY

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I think we declared war, really, I mean how else would you define it? If some country was offended by stuff happening inside our borders and decided to attack us, on U.S.soil and using government forces, would we consider it starting a war?

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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I'm thinking yes. If Syria/Russia responds in kind, then it's on and it's a war. if that is a possibility, which I think it is (though remote even at the time) then it seems to me we've declared war...even if no response and thus no actual war.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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And so really, the conclusion is that we have now started a war, and maybe we won it already too. Is this the winning we were all supposed to get sick of?

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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you all want to blame trump for starting a war with Syria, you seem to conveniently ignore Obama invaded Syria with ground troops ahead of Trump. . by your own definitions, Obama started the Syrian war. .

H2O @ 6 months ago

Fort Belvoir, VA, USA

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Yes and no. Obama had troops in Syria but they weren't targeting Syrian troops. They even mistakenly killed some Syrian troops, intending to strike ISIS But I believe this was the first intentional strike against Syria

Tjaden Froyda @ 6 months ago

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By your definition Bush 43 started this war, by killing Saddam Hussain. The only dictator that kept the whole middle east in check. ISIS are remnants of the Baath party, and the republican guards.

Bhaven87 @ 6 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Really h2o, the war on terror has been going on for three U.S. presidents now. I guess you could take your pick of who is to blame.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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I was just thinking of something... Are we more nervous if Trump is handling things himself or if things are being handled by the usual string pullers..... Food for thought. And also what do we all think Hillary would have done?

The Drew @ 6 months ago

Maspeth, Queens, NY

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Hillary would have pushed for sanctions by the U.N. I trust that Mattis guy, I think he knows what's what. I vote for him as string puller.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

Obama put the first troops inside Syria and they are not only fighting isis, but also aiding the rebels fighting Assad. . Obama is to blame, the same as Libya. .

H2O @ 6 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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bmoron what is "my" definition? . you reference it, tell me.

H2O @ 6 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I remember a bunch of conservatards around here complaining about Obama and how everything was Bush's fault, when was that ever going to end, etc. Well in actuality I still hold 43 accountable for a lot of the shít we're in now, in the middle east.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

but you guys can't keep complaining about Obama forever. I do agree he was too mealy mushy in the middle east, and allowed what took root there to continue to flourish.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

So: do something about it, or shut up forever. Like health care, which now we don't discuss (though it appears POTUS wants it to now). So far I'm not impressed.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Acting out using the military because tv, plus your daughter is really really upset about it, is not a good sign imo.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

You just said its ok to blame bush but not ok to blame obama? "I still hold 43 accountable for a lot of the shít we're in now," "but you guys can't keep complaining about Obama forever."

Taco Bowl @ 6 months ago

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Think about this.

Taco Bowl @ 6 months ago

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Its ok to blame the guy who left 99 months ago but blaming the guy who left 3 months ago is too much. LMMFAO!

Taco Bowl @ 6 months ago

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ok then, slappy.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

That's as good a comeback as you could provide. All things considered. You might of well said "good point" but your chemically damaged ego would never allow that. Am I right Lori? No need to answer. LMAO

Taco Bowl @ 6 months ago

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Moaaaabbbbb

The Drew @ 6 months ago

Whitestone, Queens, NY

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Ouch

Taco Bowl @ 6 months ago

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We've dropped a lot of bombs. The headlines have been the same for almost 2 decades now....

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Never one like this.

Taco Bowl @ 6 months ago

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I said that because you obviously missed the fúcking point, slappy. But then, I guess you figured I was directing something at you.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I'm glad you know your name when I call it, slappy. Just like my dogs.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-may-launch-strike-if-north-korea-reaches-nuclear-n746366 Oh look, POTUS is thinking of another pre-emptive strike. Called it.

Tjaden Froyda @ 6 months ago

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Trump realized that he got some good press for bombing Syria. If some is good, more must be better. Big bomb in Afghanistan. Cool. More good reports. He's found a new toy.

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Dogs don't just go wag themselves.

Tjaden Froyda @ 6 months ago

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He likes it when they make big noises and flashing lights!

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

It distracts him from negative horrible news media reporting fake news, such as visitors to the white house will now be kept a secret!!

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

weren't they before?

H2O @ 6 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

No, h2o though certain categories of visitors were kept off the public rosters and that was the source of bitter complaining by the right re transparency. POTUS has now rescinded the rule and said, they would comply with FOIA.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Here's the rub: the white house is a residence and therefore not subject to FOIA requests!

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

(at least I think that is the justification, but I'm not 100% sure on that.) I am sure that the WH is not subject to FOIA. Obama's rule was voluntary disclosure of all but a few visitors.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

So how is that swampy-drainy thing coming along, do you think?

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

The swamp drainers always seem to discover the swamp is actually a nice place to play.

The Drew @ 6 months ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

Obama was court ordered .

H2O @ 6 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Really! So, then, how is the current administration not breaking the law, h2o?

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Stillwater, MN 55082, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

The court has decided that its protected as Presidential records, not private home records as Lori stated. I havent found where the court mandated the visitor records released.

Taco Bowl @ 6 months ago

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Sorry, speed read the article.... . Obama WAS NOT ordered to release the logs, quite the opposite, Court held they were protected presidential records and not subject to FOIA . . Although heavily redacted Obama chose to release as much as possible.

H2O @ 6 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

Obama policy was for visitor log release with exception to national security, individual security, secret service request. . SO probably most responsible for redactions. .

H2O @ 6 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

jesus christ. This is still here. hahaha. Has the app. changed

don Pappi @ 6 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Hey don. A few of the old crowd are still here. This has become a very exclusive chat room. You may have to show a link to one of your old posts in order to remain.

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Don don don don!

The Drew @ 6 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

DON !!!!!!

H2O @ 6 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Welcome back

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Who's Don?

Taco Bowl @ 6 months ago

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Don Mattingly, of course

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Oh!

Taco Bowl @ 6 months ago

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don = liberal as all get out, think non-racist bhippy, or Skal as an African American, actually not bad to debate. he does get excited once in awhile .

H2O @ 6 months ago

Fort Belvoir, VA, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

what up!?

UndrWater @ 6 months ago

Los Bosques, Aguascalientes, Ags.

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Will there finally be a new war powers debate in Congress? It'd be in favor of that. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5903601ce4b02655f83c9afb?section=us_politics

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I know it's huffpo and all, but the article makes the observation that the Syria bombing was completely unrelated to Al Qaida, the subject of the 16 year old authorization.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Obama stretched that to include ISIS as an offshoot of Al Qaida, but there really is no connection in the case of Syria.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I think we would all like to see a leash put on POTUS' apparent belief that he can bomb other countries out of his personal (or his kids') outrage at their behavior.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

...and with no actual plan behind any of it except, ok go boom now while I eat cake with Mr. China Man.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

sorry I came and bounced again. I refuse to comment on Donald Trump until at least 1 year in.

don Pappi @ 6 months ago

Lincoln, Coralville, IA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

How is life don, good to see you're still kickin

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

pretty good. can't complain. Ready for president Trump to give me my huge tax break. if he does that I'll shut up for 2 years. hahahaha.

don Pappi @ 6 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I hope so

AMi @ 6 months ago

Lake Zurich, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

The big tax break that is lol

AMi @ 6 months ago

Lake Zurich, IL, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

If he manages to pull that off, a number of us will probably shut up for awhile. Money talks.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

201a1ee3da38651c237630b5fee3fafd

Money talks if you're one of the richest families in America. Debt and Deflict be damn when repubs are in charge, according to the homophobic vp.

Bhaven87 @ 6 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

>40% pay ZERO taxes, exactly how much more of a break do you suggest they have? . does any actual tax payer, deserve a tax cut? .

H2O @ 6 months ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

The rich voted - overwhelmingly - for Hillary, ya know that right?

The Drew @ 6 months ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

The funny thing is that all of Trump's properties are in areas that voted strongly against him.

The Drew @ 6 months ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

But B is right, deficit only matters when the party you don't like is in charge.

The Drew @ 6 months ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

201a1ee3da38651c237630b5fee3fafd

44's tax cuts went primarily to the middle class, 45 proposal concentrates on the top 3% richest in the country. They still believe in that trinkle down myth that the wealthy will bestow their crumbs to the rest of the country. Only people

Bhaven87 @ 6 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

201a1ee3da38651c237630b5fee3fafd

that will benefit from cutting corporate taxes are the CEO's and the wealthiest stockholders.

Bhaven87 @ 6 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

The tax cut may pale in comparison to potential retirement plan tax changes.

Tjaden Froyda @ 6 months ago

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And what are those

AMi @ 6 months ago

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/trump-tax-reform.pdf Too tough to know without more specifics, but it appears many of the tax benefits of many retirement vehicles is in jeopardy.

Tjaden Froyda @ 6 months ago

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After he released his plan, there was a whole bunch of panic about 401(k) deductions, which prompted the WH to say they won't be affected. I'm skeptical until i see it in writing.

Tjaden Froyda @ 6 months ago

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This is the same WH that said pre-existing conditions are being protected in the AHCA bill. It's clear that the right hand isn't talking to the left hand.

Tjaden Froyda @ 6 months ago

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That was one of those policy floats. Release a draft version, wait to see if anyone howls. If there's huge opposition, deny it was ever seriously considered.

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Definitely need some more details

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

B is right obout the tax breaks. Just the rollback of the alternative minimum tax would be a monster gift for the 1-5 percenters. The Obamacare breaks are just icing on the cake.

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I would love it if they repealed the AMT. I've ended up there before and they really ream you.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Jc, it seems everyone else including small business (which includes a lot of lower middle class neighborhoods) would receive a significant break as well

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

AMi,,, I don't know how anyone could make that leap of faith. Most small businesses are taxed at income levels. Those levels haven't been divulged. Where does the 25% bracket begin.?????

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

I don't believe the three bracket system will survive. I find it hard to believe the house would pass that wish list. Maybe deficits don't matter anymore. Maybe conservatives don't matter anymore. Hell, maybe we'll just pass a ton of inflationary

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

crap and just race to the poorhouse. Hasn't anybody been paying attention to Kansas. How is that working out?

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

You mean Brownbackistan?

Tjaden Froyda @ 6 months ago

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Jc, it states that small business, including sole proprietors would also be taxed at the new 15% rate Which is good news for small business with taxable revenue of over $50k it looks like

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

201a1ee3da38651c237630b5fee3fafd

Corporate or small businesses hasn't paid taxes at the 35% rate, that just scared tactic.

Bhaven87 @ 6 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Of course not, but many do pay higher than 15%

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Ok. I give up. Everybody gets a 50% tax cut. We'll make it up on volume. We'll spend a trillion on infrastructure. That will pay for itself. We'll build a wall. Mexico will pay for that.

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Sounds good

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

We'll give the pentagon way more than they asked for. Because Trump knows more than the generals. Somehow, I don't see this ending well.

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

You're on a roll

AMi @ 6 months ago

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

It's not me on the roll. I'm just reporting the ridiculous list that our leader has proposed. I'm sure he's working out the details this weekend between putts.

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Dear leader

AMi @ 6 months ago

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Just curious, would you be better off?

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

201a1ee3da38651c237630b5fee3fafd

They d6 pay taxes at the 35% rate but employees are still being paid at 1990 inflation rate. CEO at Healthcare companies are taking home no less than 15 million dollars bonuses, but complain they can't take care of their paying customers.

Bhaven87 @ 6 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

201a1ee3da38651c237630b5fee3fafd

They haven't

Bhaven87 @ 6 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

AMi, ,, Of coarse I'd be better off. My income is pretty well sheltered. My wife's is fair game. Theoretically we'd benefit from all this tax slashing. Reality might be a different story. Inflation could undo any gains.

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

I believe it's about time back off the stimulus. Inflation is just starting to rear it's head. Maybe we should be more concerned with the cost of servicing our debt. Lowering it is probably out of the question. But expanding the debt by stimulating a

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

recovered economy is just poking the inflation monster. A percent or two could be devastating.

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Yeah but paying debt isn't a subject you can crow about in a tweet. It's not sexy like tax cuts or denying health insurance to millions or banning immigrants based on religion.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Paying off debt is BOR-ing. So I expect exactly zero attention will be paid by Dear Leader.

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Anyway, we could just stamp some big, beautiful solid gold trillion dollar coins with "in Trump we trust" in a banner around the edge and a picture of that little ass hole of a mouth at the center. Use them top pay off debt, bam, winning!!!

Dr. Evil @ 6 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Well, if our Dear Leader has any memory left, he should recall that borrowing at exorbitant rates is how he brought down his casino "empire".

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

The debt and economic growth are of equal importance in my eyes

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

I agree. I believe it's possible to reduce debt while growing the economy. It's also possible to grow the debt while we head into recession. There's no need for wholesale tax reduction at this time. AMi, you know as well as anybody that taxation,

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

when used in a prudent manner, can actually stimulate the economy.

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Tax cuts for the sake of tax cuts, can easily be counter productive.

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Of course, and I didn't mean you misrepresent myself as a supporter of this tax proposal. While it could be of help to middle class earners, it reduces the burden on top earners in an irresponsible way.

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

To not you

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Seems reasonable. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/politics/articles/2017-05-07/a-reverse-trump-tax-plan-delivers-an-economic-miracle-in-sweden

jc @ 6 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Sweden at one point taxed themselves into a long recession. So they need to keep in mind the old adage, too much of a good thing....who is to say their economy wouldn't be growing faster if they hadn't raised taxes the past two years

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I do love their pragmatic approach to capitalism, flat corporate hierarchy, and the value they expect of their tax dollars

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Also they don't get involved in expensive and unproductive wars....that is a big one

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Not to mention lack of corruption. If there's a culture of that, you end up more like Greece not Scandinavia.

The Drew @ 6 months ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

That's correct Drew, and a cohesive culture

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Look up "Dagen H", talk about cohesive.

The Drew @ 6 months ago

Northwest Harbor, NY 11937, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

If Chicago had to do they there would be obscenely long delays with public transportation, multiple murders, and a bunch of traffic fatalities due to pure stupidity. Basically, a normal day

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

And don't forget Dagen H also happened in *1967*.

The Drew @ 6 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Sure, but in large Swedes are still the same. The percentage of the populace that refuses to integrate is trapped within small areas. The thing is that the whole "no go" thing is very real over there.

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Police, even ambulances are harassed will have rocks thrown at them. The Swedish media suppresses these stories. The second and third generation of immigrant families are kept from learning the language, education, and the culture of the country

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

They live in. So they are left uneducated, unemployed, and full of delusion because their neighborhoods want to be little recreation of the country they fled.

AMi @ 6 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I meant the fact it happened in the crazy sixties makes it more impressive to me.

The Drew @ 6 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Wait a second, I thought Media Matters and Huffington Post debunked the whole no-go area thing. ;)

The Drew @ 6 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Yeah, right, lol

AMi @ 6 months ago

Elmhurst, IL 60126, USA

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