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POTUSE blames the victim (DNC) for the crime (hacking). Creative logic that is all too familiar to any woman.

Dr. Evil @ 11 months ago

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Most hacks are possible because of poor cybersecurity practices by the victim. Within the cybersecurity realm, this is more truth than creative logic...

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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Podesta and his phishing attack lol. Then the dope at IT blaming his screw up on a typo.

The Drew @ 11 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Spearphishing is effective, but social engineering is typically easier. Just as John Brennan.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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wallet left on the seat of a locked car gets stolen. while the owner was negligent not to secure belongings, there was a theft.

UndrWater @ 11 months ago

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True, but that doesn't quite describe spearphishing. Better analogy would be that the thief tricked you into giving them the keys to your car.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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The short of it is that if you are (1) a person in a position of power or (2) someone with access to valuable data, you will be targeted for hacking. Many will be attempts to get you to willingly give up your info.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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Someone hacking Trump's twitter account will probably start WWIII...

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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can't wait, it will be huge!

AMi @ 11 months ago

Westmont, IL, USA

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my god daughter is having her fourth child

Mr. Pink @ 11 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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So if Trump gets hacked will he blame himself for his weak defenses? Somehow, my sense is that won't happen.

Dr. Evil @ 11 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Of course not. He'll have a POTUS sized tantrum on his new @TrumPOTUS account.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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TrumPOTUS is best POTUS!

Dr. Evil @ 11 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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I will judge him fairly by my own estimations just like I have each previous President, but he really needs to stop being so reactive to

AMi @ 11 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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unimportant things, Meryl Streep's opinion should not matter to you... you are the President, act like it!

AMi @ 11 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Good luck with that

Dr. Evil @ 11 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Pink! Congrats.......right?

UndrWater @ 11 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Good luck with what

AMi @ 11 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I think she means good luck expecting him to act like the president.

UndrWater @ 11 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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assuming I had an expectation to begin with

AMi @ 11 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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If a thief steals a drug dealers stash, does he have the right to be outraged at the thief and should his drug possession be ignored? What should law enforcement do about this? Recover his drugs?

Taco Bowl @ 11 months ago

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Yeah Undr is right, sorry. Theft is theft and government sponsored espionage is what it is. Form is just changed...i get it. But still it's basically unfair to blame the victim unless they were doing something illegal (as in PLC's example)

Dr. Evil @ 11 months ago

Eagan, MN, USA

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not really Water but at least she's not aborting them.

Mr. Pink @ 11 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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With spearphishing, which appears to be the way that the hackers got in to DNC and Podesta, you give away your keys.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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If you give away your keys and then get stuff stolen from you, you *did * play a significant role in the theft by making it possible in the first place.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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That's why it's absolutely fair to place some blame on the person who gives away the keys in these types of attacks. Not all the blame. But at least some of the blame. Don't give away your damn keys.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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But officer, she was dressed all slutty! And she was dancing provocatively on the table! She was asking for it, so she deserves some of the blame!

Dr. Evil @ 11 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Yep, I understand your point Schaden. It's a familiar line of logic. I just do not agree with it.

Dr. Evil @ 11 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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I was waiting for that exact response, and frankly it's a lazy comparison. Willingly giving your keys away to a total stranger is different dressing or dancing provocatively.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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Keeping with the sex analogy you brought up, a more accurate comparison would be dressing or dancing provocatively and then saying yes when a smooth talking stranger asks if you want to fück.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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The fundamental difference between willing (in phishing) and unwilling (in rape) participation is the reason for the partial blame.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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If you are part of any organization with valuable data, you are a target for these attacks. I get 1-3/day at my current place and 3-4/day when I worked in Rch. Most of these places will train you on identifying

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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Phishing attempts and really place the responsibility on the individual to not get fooled into giving up their credentials. When that does happen, you can be sure that the employer does find the employee at least in

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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Partial fault.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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On the other hand, if the DNC never took steps to educate their staff on how to identify a phish, then they weren't protecting their network. That's on them.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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Phish sucks, just really awful music.

The Drew @ 11 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Everyone loves a song that turns into a 50 minute meandering jam session

AMi @ 11 months ago

Naperville, IL, USA

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Never really listed to them.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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Really, really bad.

The Drew @ 11 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Maybe more like offering a child candy and asking if they want to get into the van, perhaps. Phishing can be pretty convincing in some cases...they're not all from the Nigerian prince.

Dr. Evil @ 11 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Anyway the mentality amounts to the same thing: blame the victim. Do people need to get more savvy? Sure, but it seems that those who are intent on this harm will find another way.

Dr. Evil @ 11 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Re candy van: Not quite. No one is going to blame the kid trying to get candy. They don't know any better.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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Yes, those intent on causing harm will find other ways. But...if there are easy ways, such as them simply giving you the keys, why bother with other efforts?

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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Evil, lesson number 1: if you're trying to get into the public spotlight, measure EVERYTHING you say and do .

H2O @ 11 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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unfortunately that's the primary reason (I believe), we don't get the best running for office. . Their family and they are subjugated to nitpicking, twisted meanings, slander,,,,, etc. .

H2O @ 11 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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True h2o: I've heard you repeat a lot of just that kind of trash on this forum.

Dr. Evil @ 11 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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I guess that makes you part of the problem, doesn't it: repeating baseless associations and outright falsehoods because they fit your worldview?

Dr. Evil @ 11 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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I understand your point Schaden. But placing blame on someone who hasn't done anything wrong is lazy reasoning because it allows us to avoid the real issue.

Dr. Evil @ 11 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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On the case of rape the problem isn't the behavior of the victim, it's the behavior of the perpetrator. Similarly here, my issue is with the perpetrators of the one or more criminal activities. The DNC didn't do anything wrong there.

Dr. Evil @ 11 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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I guess my view on this stems from the fact that if my system gets breached and I'm the one that gives away the keys, I'm deemed at fault because my security practices were negligent.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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Of course but that's an internal policy. It's not that I don't understand that. But an internal policy doesn't absolve any level of blame on a perpetrator. Since they are hard to catch, this defensive policy is the only thing people can do.

Dr. Evil @ 11 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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With every healthcare data breach, it's the data steward that gets blamed for not protecting their data. It's not really lazy reasoning - more a reality if I was responsible for something similar.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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But that does not shift blame for the unethical or illegal actions of others. "It's ok if he tries to rape me, because women know to wear a chastity belt"...?

Dr. Evil @ 11 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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No, but I'm held accountable for my actions that led to the breach. That's where the blame comes in. That's common with cybersecurity breaches and what differentiates it from other crimes.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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Fair or unfair, that's how it is.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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And rape is just a horrible, forced analogy. These breach attempts happen hundreds or thousands of times daily. That just doesn't happen with rape.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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And I'm sorry, but if you hold sensitive data, face that degree of onslaught daily and have a poorly secured network - there's a degree of negligence that starts to creep in.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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There's an adage in cybersecurity "Don't assume you will be hacked. Assume you've already been hacked." It's a proactive damage control strategy. Doesn't look like the DNC followed it.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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evil, like you've never. don't try to become Adam II .

H2O @ 11 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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I noticed there was a 'rape' analogy, - - um Hello! where's the trigger warning in case someone needs to retreat into a safe space?

The Drew @ 11 months ago

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