Neo-McCarthyism has hit fill stride.
@ 8 months ago
Chaska, MN 55318, USA
I haven't been paying attention. what has Obama done now?
@ 8 months ago
Cerritos, CA, USA
^^^^Real name is Vitaly
@ 8 months ago
Villa Park, IL, USA
Obama? He's been pretty restrained on the topic.
Establishment Dems and their media allies are ramping up the blame Russia rhetoric while refusing to take any blame for their losses.
@ 8 months ago
My favorite recent example is WaPo's fake news/propornot piece that has been all but retracted for being fake news itself.
Some of the same people who went apeshït about Trump not accepting the results of the election are now trying to cast doubt on the election and advocating that the EC step in.
If they try and subvert the EC bad things could happen
The thing about the blame Russia angle is how to explain what happened with all the elections downballot and all the losses even before this year's election.
@ 8 months ago
Yorkville, New York, NY
It doesn't, but that doesn't fit the red scare narrative.
Yeah, take the advice of Russia over the Intel from the CIA. Putin the puppet master is laughing as his puppet defend Russia.
@ 8 months ago
Killeen, TX 76543, USA
The CIA would never lie, would they?
The CIA, experts in regime change, torture, and disinformation. Now also, friend of the establishment left.
So you're willing to defend Russia also, over the CIA. Like he wouldn't lie about sexually assaulting women. "No puppet, No puppet.
I am not defending Russia over anything.
The CIA had released speculation without providing any proof.
The link I provided gave some recent high profile examples of when they did the same (and lied)
I certainly would love if they released some of the evidence they have.
Clapper's "17 agencies" statement earlier this year described only circumstantial evidence (go read it)
Given their recent track record with lying to the public (PRISM, WMDs, Sony hack, etc.), pardon me if I don't take their word at face value.
Remember, James Clapper's lie to Congress that the NSA didn't spy on US citizens was what set of Snowden's leak to the press in the first place.
If you can look at the CIA's history and then uncritically accept everything they say as fact, you're dumber than a pile of rocks.
Why must you continue to defend Russia?!
Stop insulting rocks!!
yeah you are right AMI I didn't know your in laws were in this group. This can't be the same skal that was on wiki leak nut sack. funny how they all no longer relevant.
McKinney, Austin, TX
Truth to power will always be relevant. WL still is very relevant, much more so than HRC will be from here on out.
When Trump leaks start happening, you'll be singing their praises.
Russia or whoever it was could have hacked as much as they wanted but if the DNC wasn't pulling that sht nobody would have cared.
Midtown, New York, NY
It's like if someone broke into your house and uncovered a massive stash of kiddie porn, you could wail away saying 'but, but, but they broke in'.... Fact is you still had that kiddy porn!
Rachel Maddow has a massive boner over this story
The 1980s called, they want their scapegoats back.
funny stuff, but what I'm hearing is this issue is not attached to any leaning (left or right), but perhaps it provides comfort to those uncomfortable with Mr trump.
Torrance, CA, USA
Throwing around allegations that are "the political equivalent of 9/11" (Murrell) should not be done lightly.
And certainly not to comfort those with hurt feelings over the election results.
But, but feelz before realz!
Interesting tidbit, I spent most of Friday meeting with an Egyptian business contact and a few members of the Egyptian military. I asked what their opinion of Trump was
The surprising answer was that although they are unsure of their full opinion of Trump, they are very happy that Clinton was not elected. Their exact words being "Clinton and Obama have made such a mess of the Middle East,
that it would have been scary to think of another 4 years under their control"
i know you dont care but im really disappointed in the fact you havent learned a thing skal.
@ 8 months ago
What was I supposed to learn, o great one?
Not sure dude but you're seriously "evading your responsibility'
Humble yourself skal!
have fun guys.
Time to check that privilege and go read some Charles Blow or Jamelle Bouie. All aboard the Outrage Express!
I'm seriously wondering what I was supposed to learn.
I have learned from the IC's past that I should not believe everything they say uncritically and gave multiple indisputable examples.
like we've never tried to influence an election
@ 8 months ago
Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA
Meanwhile, the leaks showed a party colluding with the media to undermine the democratic process for both the primary and general.
Frankly, that's more damaging to the democratic ideal of a free and fair election.
^Clearly not woke yet.
the fact is guys that we are merely Voter Map Knights, only one has achieved the status of Voter Map Master
Is VM like highlander?
there can be only one!
Really Ami, like the middle east was an Utopia before President Obama took office. if that were the case I wouldn't be ODS vet. The U.S. Embassy would still be in Iran. Anwar Sadat would be alive.
Circle C Ranch, Austin, TX
I've spoken to persons in Kuwait, UAE, and Egypt. All say that Clinton and Obama made things worse, not better. Anecdotal I know, but these are the words of persons who live there... not my own
Addison, IL, USA
Wait a second. I thought Barack won a Nobel Peace Prize. WHY ISN'T THERE PEACE?!
It was more like a Golden Globe than an Oscar
well. the expectation is that a U.S.President will make things better for the U.S., not for the UAE.
Now even the UK is getting in on the blame Russia for the Brexit.
This is getting ridiculous. How long before "Thanks Russia" replaces the "Thanks Obama" meme?
I was thinking maybe a Putin "thumbs up" stamp
I ALWAYS KNEW Russia was behind global warming!
no one would listen...
if they could terraform Siberia they'd likely be the most powerful country
Blame it on Bush, blame it on Bush
Russia did it, Russia did it!
I ALWAYS KNEW Russia and Bush were behind global warming!
but no-one would listen.....
You guys are getting pretty giddy.
@ 8 months ago
Lakeland, MN 55043, USA
no. just me.
i dont know if you read it, you probably didnt, but last month in your wikileaks thread where i told you that you were a grown ass man and you needed to act like it.
you were enjoying your sour grapes then and here you're still shoveling them down your throat with a #### eating grin. you are ignoring the most basic analysis current events and for reasons i dont understand
still reveling in trumps victory.
when i said what i said last month i stopped short after i said you were being naive about trumps chances and you were butt hurt about the primary. I typed but then removed the phrase
"after this election you will have to look in the mirror and decide if you like what you have turned into."
so while ami mocks this whole "fake news" narative while himself still being one of the dupes himself and while drew ignores questions that make him uncomfortable and starts talking about occupy wall street
for some ####ing reason like he even understands what hes talking about. you should be smart enough to know better than "neo mccarthyism" ARE YOU ####ING KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW?!
so wikileaks was used as a tool to elect trump, and i dont say that because i like hillary clinton, you know i dont, but i can follow the god damn bread crumbs to vladimir putin.
and like with trying to say that angilius was that swamp whatever creature, sometimes the only proof you have is the look of it all.
if i have to guess i would say you have turned defensive, maybe friends or family of yours have accused you of helping trump win, and thats not right, your vote is your own to give.
but you internalized that criticism because somewhere you believe it a little bit, and now you are acting like an insufferable moron peddling in straw men arguments against what is plainly true.
the russian government most likely used wikileaks as a pawn to influence the election, and now youre the pawn trying to discredit the people saying it.
i didnt vote for hillary clinton because i dont like being manipulated by people telling lies. you have lost your god damned mind.
In the wikileaks thread, during your "act like a grown ass man" rant, you accused me of voting for GJ not out of principle but b/c I was butt hurt over Bernie losing the primary.
I read it and you are wrong.
I refer you to this thread from 6 months ago for my rationale(near the top): http://yodamap.com/posts/82880
You were even in on the thread.
HRC didn't lose because of the leaks. She lost because of hubris. She thought she had the rust belt in the bag and ignored them. She lost those states and that lost her the election. It's really that simple.
The whole blame Russia narrative is being constructed to avoid that simple fact and cast blame on everyone else but the candidate and the campaign. Shirking responsibility seems to be SOP for everything her campaign.
The leaks themselves didn't really provide much new information - it just reinforced things that most had assumed to be true but lacked proof. Some heads rolled at the DNC, but that's about it.
Re: Assumptions of friends and family. Your comment makes little sense. I live in a reliably blue state that HRC won. My GJ vote could not have helped Trump win any more than yours could have helped HRC win in WV.
Russia didn't cause HRC to lose WI, MI, PA, and OH. That was on the candidate and the campaign.
The sooner that butt hurt libs can get past Russia and focus on why she lost those states, the better for the party.
As for "discrediting the people saying it" - I'm a pawn now for remembering recent history when the IC lied?
We went to war for one of those lies, costing us almost 4500 American soldiers and billions of dollars.
Another covered up the fact that the government has been spying on it's citizens.
The IC has earned that lack of trust, and not taking everything they say at face value is rational based on their history.
Rational cynicism doesn't make me pawn - especially, when we are promising aggressive retaliation against Russia that could be construed as warfare.
Maybe it's just me, but I'd like a bit more than circumstantial evidence before possibly starting a war with Russia.
Lastly, damn right "neo-McCarthyism".
Disagree with the blame Russia narrative or criticize the evidence, you're a Russian pawn. Dissent is not tolerated.
Attempts to link every Trump cabinet pick to Putin. Some exist, but many are overblown.
Fears that Trump is a Manchurian candidate and therefore the EC must change their votes. Pick your OpEd.
As I've said before, libs and the media flipped #### after DT said he might not accept the results of the election.
Ironically, now both are not accepting the results of the election.
Frankly, it's embarrassing.
Assange has confirmed that Russia was not the source of the leaks.... for whatever that is worth
regardless of that though, the sheer intensity and righteousness of the media over this story gives it's true nature away to me.... they're covering up a much greater internally based sin
Well yeah...the leaks showed strong connections were between the HRC campaign and several prominent national media outlets.
Any veil of objectivity that remained has been lifted.
skal im going to have to refer you to the thread you linked and ask you to point out to me where you said why you were voting for gary johnson, because all i see is why you were not voting for clinton.
assange has absolutely nothing to gain by revealing who leaked to wikileaks, its doubtful he even has that knowledge. but even if he did he does not have the incentive to tell the truth on it.
it doesnt matter the information revealed, we know both sides are corrupt and that donald trump may in fact be more self serving in this office. wikileaks may have loved to divulge information on both sides
but they didnt, because they were spoon fed time released information to damage one side in particular.
im not trying to revisit that argument, you know its true, you just have a less objective stance on it.
and you didnt answer my question, you just said they made little sense, which is the oddest kind of denial. in fact i included a rebuttal of that argument.
with this post you are still dwelling on the election and have yet to say anything about the shaping up of the trump cabinet and his seemingly autocratic style of governance.
with this post you look like youre still trying to rationalize an election thats over, not to us, to yourself.
i dont even think you noticed you used a shortened pejorative "libs" in the third person.
and we all know the electoral college will not change its vote. these are party loyalists chosen to fill that role. but this competing narative against that is that "the will of the people have spoken and elected trump."
is a sham that pretends like donald trump got more votes. the other day kellyanne conway was on tv saying that donald trump was a self made man, give me a ####ing break.
the republican party and its allies have shown that they not only do not value the truth but with their lock step support of him shows they dont even have a moral compass.
it looks like mitt romney was the only one who said what he meant and meant what he said.
and you say "damn right neo mccarthyism" doubling down on your complete overstatement. you lost your damn mind.
"all i see is why you were not voting for clinton."
Couldn't vote for her out of principle as described in that that.
Sure as hell wasn't voting for Trump.
Agreed with GJ on some but not all issues. That's why.
"you didnt answer my question"
the only question you had was "ARE YOU ####ING KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW?!"
The part that I said made little sense wasn't a question. It was an assumption you were making.
An incorrect one.
"i dont even think you noticed you used a shortened pejorative "libs"
220 character limit per post. Notice how those text boxes are full of characters.
Libs and cons are constantly used shorthand on here, what's wrong with typing that?
Is it? Anyone who dissents is labeled a pawn of Russia.
Did you miss the WaPo story? Biggest thing on the interwebs the day it was released.
getting more votes isn't what gets you elected here... but you knew this already, Trump beat Hillary in part because he took votes away from the Democratic and in part because she was exposed
Those Russian hackers and the way they caused Dems to lose nearly 1,000 seats since 2009...
You are quick to dismiss the neomccarthyism claim, but that article is an excellent example.
Over 200 websites - some obscure and some very mainstream were labelled as Russian propaganda based on laughable subjective criteria and "feels" that the content could be beneficial to Russia.
And wow did that article spread through social media like wildfire.
That's pretty much exactly what McCarthyism is.
"with this post you look like youre still trying to rationalize an election thats over, not to us, to yourself"
Umm..no. This post was about neo-McCarthyism popping up in the media, specifically the WaPo article that
I've mentioned now twice in this thread. (4th post and again just now)
^acting like a child and not a grown ass man.
a child who is out of his damn mind for questioning such bastions of integrity such as Salon, CNN, and MSNBC
And out of my damn mind for questioning the same group that got us into a war under false pretenses recently.
That's not saying they're wrong in this case, but I'm not automatically assuming they're right either.
And I'd be happy to triple and quadruple down on the undeniable McCarthyism in that WaPo article that inspired this thread.
have fun you guys
you have fun as well comrade
And she'll have fun, fun, fun til her daddy takes the T-bird away
"have yet to say anything about the shaping up of the trump cabinet"
I have strong opinions on his choices for HHS and FDA, but none of you give a rats ass...
who did he select for FDA?
he seems to be taking a strategy of contradiction with his cabinet, people that have strong opinions against the current norm
this is an interesting approach
not necessarily catastrophic... but just like Trump himself, dangerous in its unpredictability
Not official yet, just rumors.
Gottlieb is better, but not much. Still way too close to industry.
Do you believe medicine to be overtly regulated? from my perspective the levels of approvals needed just to approve a marketing campaign in the drug industry is borderline insane
Elmhurst, IL, USA
Some regulations exist for good reason. I'm actually against DTC pharma marketing.
What can be done about the Skreli types? I feel like that's one area that needs an overhaul, maybe too easy to gain a monopoly on manufacture cuz of regs.
Shít, I meant to type regulations. "Regs," that's pejorative.
AMi... I think the DTC add campaigns are getting a free pass. If they are allowed to show the happy people whos lives have been changed by their purple pill, they should also show a quick shot of the ones with anal leakage.
@ 8 months ago
Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA
Yeah that'll be a nice commercial when you're eating dinner
I remember when they started allowing prescription drug commercials...and thinking it was a really bad idea on so many levels.
It's not like you can just go get the stuff, like other goods advertised on tv. It's supposed to be the doctors job to decide what you need, not a layperson's based on a fúcking commercial.
It's the patient's job to proposition for that drug to the doctor ;).
Well half of the drug ads literally are fùcking commercials.
Back to your question AMI, do you mean medical practice or pharmaceuticals being overreg'd?
I'm disappointed the author didn't source this thread. :/
there's no reason for DTC marketing but the regulations for trade only events and sales are intense as well