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Neo-McCarthyism has hit fill stride. Shame.

Tjaden Froyda @ 11 months ago

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I haven't been paying attention. what has Obama done now?

UndrWater @ 11 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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^^^^Real name is Vitaly

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Obama? He's been pretty restrained on the topic. Establishment Dems and their media allies are ramping up the blame Russia rhetoric while refusing to take any blame for their losses.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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My favorite recent example is WaPo's fake news/propornot piece that has been all but retracted for being fake news itself.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Some of the same people who went apeshït about Trump not accepting the results of the election are now trying to cast doubt on the election and advocating that the EC step in.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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If they try and subvert the EC bad things could happen

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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The thing about the blame Russia angle is how to explain what happened with all the elections downballot and all the losses even before this year's election.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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It doesn't, but that doesn't fit the red scare narrative.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Yeah, take the advice of Russia over the Intel from the CIA. Putin the puppet master is laughing as his puppet defend Russia.

Bhaven87 @ 10 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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The CIA would never lie, would they?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10/anonymous-leaks-to-the-washpost-about-the-cias-russia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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The CIA, experts in regime change, torture, and disinformation. Now also, friend of the establishment left.

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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So you're willing to defend Russia also, over the CIA. Like he wouldn't lie about sexually assaulting women. "No puppet, No puppet.

Bhaven87 @ 10 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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I am not defending Russia over anything. The CIA had released speculation without providing any proof. The link I provided gave some recent high profile examples of when they did the same (and lied)

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I certainly would love if they released some of the evidence they have. Clapper's "17 agencies" statement earlier this year described only circumstantial evidence (go read it)

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Given their recent track record with lying to the public (PRISM, WMDs, Sony hack, etc.), pardon me if I don't take their word at face value.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Remember, James Clapper's lie to Congress that the NSA didn't spy on US citizens was what set of Snowden's leak to the press in the first place.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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If you can look at the CIA's history and then uncritically accept everything they say as fact, you're dumber than a pile of rocks.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Why must you continue to defend Russia?!

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Stop insulting rocks!!

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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yeah you are right AMI I didn't know your in laws were in this group. This can't be the same skal that was on wiki leak nut sack. funny how they all no longer relevant.

Bhaven87 @ 10 months ago

McKinney, Austin, TX

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Truth to power will always be relevant. WL still is very relevant, much more so than HRC will be from here on out. When Trump leaks start happening, you'll be singing their praises.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Russia or whoever it was could have hacked as much as they wanted but if the DNC wasn't pulling that sht nobody would have cared.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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It's like if someone broke into your house and uncovered a massive stash of kiddie porn, you could wail away saying 'but, but, but they broke in'.... Fact is you still had that kiddy porn!

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Rachel Maddow has a massive boner over this story

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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The 1980s called, they want their scapegoats back.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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funny stuff, but what I'm hearing is this issue is not attached to any leaning (left or right), but perhaps it provides comfort to those uncomfortable with Mr trump.

UndrWater @ 10 months ago

Torrance, CA, USA

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Throwing around allegations that are "the political equivalent of 9/11" (Murrell) should not be done lightly. And certainly not to comfort those with hurt feelings over the election results.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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But, but feelz before realz!

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Interesting tidbit, I spent most of Friday meeting with an Egyptian business contact and a few members of the Egyptian military. I asked what their opinion of Trump was

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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The surprising answer was that although they are unsure of their full opinion of Trump, they are very happy that Clinton was not elected. Their exact words being "Clinton and Obama have made such a mess of the Middle East,

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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that it would have been scary to think of another 4 years under their control"

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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i know you dont care but im really disappointed in the fact you havent learned a thing skal.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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What was I supposed to learn, o great one?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Not sure dude but you're seriously "evading your responsibility'

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Humble yourself skal!

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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have fun guys.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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Time to check that privilege and go read some Charles Blow or Jamelle Bouie. All aboard the Outrage Express!

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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I'm seriously wondering what I was supposed to learn. I have learned from the IC's past that I should not believe everything they say uncritically and gave multiple indisputable examples.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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like we've never tried to influence an election .

H2O @ 10 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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Meanwhile, the leaks showed a party colluding with the media to undermine the democratic process for both the primary and general. Frankly, that's more damaging to the democratic ideal of a free and fair election.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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^Clearly not woke yet.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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the fact is guys that we are merely Voter Map Knights, only one has achieved the status of Voter Map Master

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Is VM like highlander?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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there can be only one!

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Really Ami, like the middle east was an Utopia before President Obama took office. if that were the case I wouldn't be ODS vet. The U.S. Embassy would still be in Iran. Anwar Sadat would be alive.

Bhaven87 @ 10 months ago

Circle C Ranch, Austin, TX

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I've spoken to persons in Kuwait, UAE, and Egypt. All say that Clinton and Obama made things worse, not better. Anecdotal I know, but these are the words of persons who live there... not my own

AMi @ 10 months ago

Addison, IL, USA

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Wait a second. I thought Barack won a Nobel Peace Prize. WHY ISN'T THERE PEACE?!

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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It was more like a Golden Globe than an Oscar

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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well. the expectation is that a U.S.President will make things better for the U.S., not for the UAE.

UndrWater @ 10 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Now even the UK is getting in on the blame Russia for the Brexit. This is getting ridiculous. How long before "Thanks Russia" replaces the "Thanks Obama" meme?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I was thinking maybe a Putin "thumbs up" stamp

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I ALWAYS KNEW Russia was behind global warming! no one would listen...

UndrWater @ 10 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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if they could terraform Siberia they'd likely be the most powerful country

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Blame it on Bush, blame it on Bush Thanks, Obama Russia did it, Russia did it!

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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I ALWAYS KNEW Russia and Bush were behind global warming! but no-one would listen.....

UndrWater @ 10 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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You guys are getting pretty giddy.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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no. just me.

UndrWater @ 10 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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i dont know if you read it, you probably didnt, but last month in your wikileaks thread where i told you that you were a grown ass man and you needed to act like it.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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you were enjoying your sour grapes then and here you're still shoveling them down your throat with a #### eating grin. you are ignoring the most basic analysis current events and for reasons i dont understand

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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still reveling in trumps victory.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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when i said what i said last month i stopped short after i said you were being naive about trumps chances and you were butt hurt about the primary. I typed but then removed the phrase

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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"after this election you will have to look in the mirror and decide if you like what you have turned into."

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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so while ami mocks this whole "fake news" narative while himself still being one of the dupes himself and while drew ignores questions that make him uncomfortable and starts talking about occupy wall street

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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for some ####ing reason like he even understands what hes talking about. you should be smart enough to know better than "neo mccarthyism" ARE YOU ####ING KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW?!

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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so wikileaks was used as a tool to elect trump, and i dont say that because i like hillary clinton, you know i dont, but i can follow the god damn bread crumbs to vladimir putin.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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and like with trying to say that angilius was that swamp whatever creature, sometimes the only proof you have is the look of it all.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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if i have to guess i would say you have turned defensive, maybe friends or family of yours have accused you of helping trump win, and thats not right, your vote is your own to give.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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but you internalized that criticism because somewhere you believe it a little bit, and now you are acting like an insufferable moron peddling in straw men arguments against what is plainly true.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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the russian government most likely used wikileaks as a pawn to influence the election, and now youre the pawn trying to discredit the people saying it.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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i didnt vote for hillary clinton because i dont like being manipulated by people telling lies. you have lost your god damned mind.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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In the wikileaks thread, during your "act like a grown ass man" rant, you accused me of voting for GJ not out of principle but b/c I was butt hurt over Bernie losing the primary. I read it and you are wrong.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I refer you to this thread from 6 months ago for my rationale(near the top): http://yodamap.com/posts/82880 You were even in on the thread.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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HRC didn't lose because of the leaks. She lost because of hubris. She thought she had the rust belt in the bag and ignored them. She lost those states and that lost her the election. It's really that simple.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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The whole blame Russia narrative is being constructed to avoid that simple fact and cast blame on everyone else but the candidate and the campaign. Shirking responsibility seems to be SOP for everything her campaign.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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The leaks themselves didn't really provide much new information - it just reinforced things that most had assumed to be true but lacked proof. Some heads rolled at the DNC, but that's about it.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Re: Assumptions of friends and family. Your comment makes little sense. I live in a reliably blue state that HRC won. My GJ vote could not have helped Trump win any more than yours could have helped HRC win in WV.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Russia didn't cause HRC to lose WI, MI, PA, and OH. That was on the candidate and the campaign. The sooner that butt hurt libs can get past Russia and focus on why she lost those states, the better for the party.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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As for "discrediting the people saying it" - I'm a pawn now for remembering recent history when the IC lied? We went to war for one of those lies, costing us almost 4500 American soldiers and billions of dollars.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Another covered up the fact that the government has been spying on it's citizens. The IC has earned that lack of trust, and not taking everything they say at face value is rational based on their history.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Rational cynicism doesn't make me pawn - especially, when we are promising aggressive retaliation against Russia that could be construed as warfare.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Maybe it's just me, but I'd like a bit more than circumstantial evidence before possibly starting a war with Russia.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Lastly, damn right "neo-McCarthyism". Disagree with the blame Russia narrative or criticize the evidence, you're a Russian pawn. Dissent is not tolerated.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Attempts to link every Trump cabinet pick to Putin. Some exist, but many are overblown. Fears that Trump is a Manchurian candidate and therefore the EC must change their votes. Pick your OpEd.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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As I've said before, libs and the media flipped #### after DT said he might not accept the results of the election. Ironically, now both are not accepting the results of the election. Frankly, it's embarrassing.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Amen, hallelujah

AMi @ 10 months ago

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Assange has confirmed that Russia was not the source of the leaks.... for whatever that is worth

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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regardless of that though, the sheer intensity and righteousness of the media over this story gives it's true nature away to me.... they're covering up a much greater internally based sin

AMi @ 10 months ago

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Well yeah...the leaks showed strong connections were between the HRC campaign and several prominent national media outlets. Any veil of objectivity that remained has been lifted.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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skal im going to have to refer you to the thread you linked and ask you to point out to me where you said why you were voting for gary johnson, because all i see is why you were not voting for clinton.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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assange has absolutely nothing to gain by revealing who leaked to wikileaks, its doubtful he even has that knowledge. but even if he did he does not have the incentive to tell the truth on it.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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it doesnt matter the information revealed, we know both sides are corrupt and that donald trump may in fact be more self serving in this office. wikileaks may have loved to divulge information on both sides

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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but they didnt, because they were spoon fed time released information to damage one side in particular.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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im not trying to revisit that argument, you know its true, you just have a less objective stance on it.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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and you didnt answer my question, you just said they made little sense, which is the oddest kind of denial. in fact i included a rebuttal of that argument.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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with this post you are still dwelling on the election and have yet to say anything about the shaping up of the trump cabinet and his seemingly autocratic style of governance.

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with this post you look like youre still trying to rationalize an election thats over, not to us, to yourself.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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i dont even think you noticed you used a shortened pejorative "libs" in the third person.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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and we all know the electoral college will not change its vote. these are party loyalists chosen to fill that role. but this competing narative against that is that "the will of the people have spoken and elected trump."

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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is a sham that pretends like donald trump got more votes. the other day kellyanne conway was on tv saying that donald trump was a self made man, give me a ####ing break.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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the republican party and its allies have shown that they not only do not value the truth but with their lock step support of him shows they dont even have a moral compass.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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it looks like mitt romney was the only one who said what he meant and meant what he said.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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and you say "damn right neo mccarthyism" doubling down on your complete overstatement. you lost your damn mind.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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"all i see is why you were not voting for clinton." Couldn't vote for her out of principle as described in that that. Sure as hell wasn't voting for Trump. Agreed with GJ on some but not all issues. That's why.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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"you didnt answer my question" the only question you had was "ARE YOU ####ING KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW?!" sounded rhetorical.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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The part that I said made little sense wasn't a question. It was an assumption you were making. An incorrect one.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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"i dont even think you noticed you used a shortened pejorative "libs" 220 character limit per post. Notice how those text boxes are full of characters.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Libs and cons are constantly used shorthand on here, what's wrong with typing that?

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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"complete overstatement" Is it? Anyone who dissents is labeled a pawn of Russia. Did you miss the WaPo story? Biggest thing on the interwebs the day it was released.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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ICYMI: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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getting more votes isn't what gets you elected here... but you knew this already, Trump beat Hillary in part because he took votes away from the Democratic and in part because she was exposed

AMi @ 10 months ago

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Democratic party....

AMi @ 10 months ago

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Those Russian hackers and the way they caused Dems to lose nearly 1,000 seats since 2009...

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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You are quick to dismiss the neomccarthyism claim, but that article is an excellent example.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Over 200 websites - some obscure and some very mainstream were labelled as Russian propaganda based on laughable subjective criteria and "feels" that the content could be beneficial to Russia.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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And wow did that article spread through social media like wildfire. That's pretty much exactly what McCarthyism is.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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"with this post you look like youre still trying to rationalize an election thats over, not to us, to yourself" Umm..no. This post was about neo-McCarthyism popping up in the media, specifically the WaPo article that

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I've mentioned now twice in this thread. (4th post and again just now)

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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^acting like a child and not a grown ass man.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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a child who is out of his damn mind for questioning such bastions of integrity such as Salon, CNN, and MSNBC

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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And out of my damn mind for questioning the same group that got us into a war under false pretenses recently. That's not saying they're wrong in this case, but I'm not automatically assuming they're right either.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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And I'd be happy to triple and quadruple down on the undeniable McCarthyism in that WaPo article that inspired this thread.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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have fun you guys

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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you have fun as well comrade

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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And she'll have fun, fun, fun til her daddy takes the T-bird away

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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"have yet to say anything about the shaping up of the trump cabinet" I have strong opinions on his choices for HHS and FDA, but none of you give a rats ass...

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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who did he select for FDA?

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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he seems to be taking a strategy of contradiction with his cabinet, people that have strong opinions against the current norm this is an interesting approach

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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not necessarily catastrophic... but just like Trump himself, dangerous in its unpredictability

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Not official yet, just rumors. https://www.statnews.com/2016/12/07/trump-fda-oneill/

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Gottlieb is better, but not much. Still way too close to industry.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Do you believe medicine to be overtly regulated? from my perspective the levels of approvals needed just to approve a marketing campaign in the drug industry is borderline insane

AMi @ 10 months ago

Elmhurst, IL, USA

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Some regulations exist for good reason. I'm actually against DTC pharma marketing.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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What can be done about the Skreli types? I feel like that's one area that needs an overhaul, maybe too easy to gain a monopoly on manufacture cuz of regs.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Shít, I meant to type regulations. "Regs," that's pejorative.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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AMi... I think the DTC add campaigns are getting a free pass. If they are allowed to show the happy people whos lives have been changed by their purple pill, they should also show a quick shot of the ones with anal leakage.

jc @ 10 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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Yeah that'll be a nice commercial when you're eating dinner

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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I remember when they started allowing prescription drug commercials...and thinking it was a really bad idea on so many levels.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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It's not like you can just go get the stuff, like other goods advertised on tv. It's supposed to be the doctors job to decide what you need, not a layperson's based on a fúcking commercial.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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It's the patient's job to proposition for that drug to the doctor ;).

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Well half of the drug ads literally are fùcking commercials.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Elderly fúcking

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Back to your question AMI, do you mean medical practice or pharmaceuticals being overreg'd?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I'm disappointed the author didn't source this thread. :/ http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-democrats-newest-scapegoat-the-russians/article/2609809

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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pharmaceutics

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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there's no reason for DTC marketing but the regulations for trade only events and sales are intense as well

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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