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Wikileaks: good or bad?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I have to be honest and say that I have lot quite a bit of respect for Julian Assange and Glenn Greenwald and by extension my support for Edward Snowden has also wavered.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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I assume you meant "lost quite a bit". Why?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I never liked Assange, always thought it was dangerous the way he blasted out info with very little attempt to curate it.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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That being said, this latest stuff is pretty enlightening.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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If truth becomes our enemy we are only left defending lies

AMi @ 10 months ago

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I think 'truth' is indeed an enemy when you're talking about personal info being exposed.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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It's put people working for human rights groups at risk

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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why, do you have something to hide?

AMi @ 10 months ago

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Good points though, the consequences of truth must be weighed.

AMi @ 10 months ago

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Which personal info are you talking about, Drew?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I agree that they should make a greater attempt at redacting some of the personal information. In the Saudi Cables example, the concerns about outing SA citizens was overblown. The cables were leaked from the govt.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Other disclosures of personal information that have been attributed to wikileaks, such as the Turkish women, weren't actually done by wikileaks.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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With regards to the Clinton stuff being released right now, I really hope the press departs from their current "Trump must lose at all costs" after the election to actually start to reporting on and holding her feet to

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Yeah I'm just concerned about that kinda thing, also Wikileaks needs to highlight stuff better, otherwise everything sorta gets lost in the avalanche of the leak.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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The fire on a lot of the stuff in there. I'm not holding my breath given the close connections with the press that the podesta e-mails have exposed (and most of us assumed existed)

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I like the Politico guy, "I'm pretty much a hack....

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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That's why they've been doing the drip drip drip with the Podesta e-mails. manageable chunks rather than one large dump keeps the story in the news, rather than buried the next day by something stupid Trump said.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Yeah but the manageable chunks have nothing really highlighted

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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Budowsky has been interesting too. What's been interesting is cross referencing the leaks with the Project Veritas stuff, such as references to the daily calls with Creamer.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Plus watching Brazile getting all po'd when confronted. I wonder how much longer she'll last at the helm.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Crooked Hillary

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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True, the manageable chunks have nothing highlighted. Journalists and the internet are digging through them and doing the highlighting. Crowdsourcing investigative journalism.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Interesting how they've been trying to distract from the content, though. Blame Russia (without any proof) and try to smear Assange as a pedophile with a shady company that appears to have Dem connections.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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The "17 intelligence agencies" line from the debate was very misleading. Politifact dutifully rated it "true". The Joint statement: "only Russia's senior most officials could have authorized these activities."

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/215-press-releases-2016/1423-joint-dhs-odni-election-security-statement That's not proof of anything.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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These people's internet security practices were horrible. Podesta' iCloud password was Runner4567. Several accounts have appeared in other large database hacks such as LinkedIn.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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If their password was common and shared by other users, it was likely very weak and not too difficult to crack the stored hash. Runner4567 is a great example of a low entropy, easily crackable password.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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These are the same people who want to make it illegal to use encryption or mandate backdoors that make it useless. SMH

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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What's funny about the Blame Russia campaign is remembering Obama dismissing Russia as a threat when Romney brought it up. And now it's zomg Russia

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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Obama dismisses everyone, its how he slights them. The ZOMG Russia is your emphasis added because thats a campaign fake.

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And I feel that wikileaks is being used as a tool, because, well it is.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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Because of that I'm naturally going to push back on that. Even though some information looks bad none of it is really damning and trump supporters and fox news use it every single day to further their agenda.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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Edward Snowden hasnt really been involved but when I read Glenn Greenwald's articles the two have a fair amount of symbiosis in my mind.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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So the only problem you have with Wikileaks is that Trump and Fox are using them?

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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No, that the people who took the information, most likely russia, are using them. so in releasing what they want released wikileaks is being used as a tool.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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not for information, not by the people, but acting to carry out an agenda. and that seriously taints the information.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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Alright that's fair.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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That is if it's truly Russia...

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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Who is doing it isnt really important, its just most likely Russia. But if it was one of those guys in the guy fawkes masks it would be just as problematic.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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So if its only one guy from indiana in his basement but he took all of these emails and wants to use them to slowly reveal information for the express purpose of dragging support from one candidate

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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my personality will push back on that.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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that whoever is doing it will use wikileaks to create a slow drip of information because the american public has a short term memory already. This isnt a public information service, its an agenda.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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and wikileaks is the tool.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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and if on November 6 rolls around and there is a huge dump of damning information or a recording of hillary clinton tying vince foster to a chair and stuffing pills down his throat not only will i not care

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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it could push me the other way.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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Its the main reason I don't like hillary, if she thinks she can lie and manipulate me to get my vote she is sorely mistaken. I go the other way when I feel I'm being manipulated.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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^^^^^^ but he'll still vote for Hillary and the rest of the Clinton mafia . he's worse than bmoron .

H2O @ 10 months ago

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So if the leaks describe how team HRC manipulated the media and voters, but you feel the leaks themselves are trying to manipulate you... Then what?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/22224 Their manipulation really was masterful

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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i already said its already the reason i dont like hillary, any effort from another party would only duplicate that effect for them. if you hate hillary for trying to manipulate you then you should logically feel the same

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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about the slow drip of wikileaks information.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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its about consistency.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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i dont have to look the other way to a third party trying to deliperately undermine anyone else to elect a fascist just because i dont like hillary.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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They aren't quite the same though. Hillary has tried to manipulate with lies. Wikileaks is exposing the truth behind those lies. I'll take truth over lies any day.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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wikileaks or no wikileaks, Hillary is going to win by a landslide. Trump is just that bad. That said, legitimate criticism of her should never be off limits just because she is running against trump.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Now if these leaks were full of lies or fabricated stuff, then I'd agree with you about the manipulation. The drip drip drip is happening to force the Clinton friendly press (almost all of them...) to discuss

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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The content rather the sweep it under the rug as a bunch of "nothingburgers". If you've read any of the leaks, you've seen how the press has colluded with the campaign to avoid damaging stories.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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We've already had Chris Cuomo of CNN actually say on air that it is illegal to read any of the leaked e-mails, but CNN was allowed to because journalists have special privileges. Not to mention only seconds of airtime

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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On the major primetime nightly news shows... I hope you are noticing the manipulation by the press regarding the leaks.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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currently Hillary is without since, . A year from now, maybe another issue. Probably depends on access after a donation to a presidential favorite charity.. .

H2O @ 10 months ago

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since = sin ...

H2O @ 10 months ago

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but wikileaks isnt revealing information, theyre dripping information in a controlled manner to further an agenda, not to inform.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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doesn't everyone have an agenda though?

AMi @ 10 months ago

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A little of both. By not releasing everything at once, people are paying attention and it's not getting swept under the rug by the Clinton friendly media.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Clearly they want to damage Clinton by exposing the bullshït that has been going essentially unchallenged because zomg Trump

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Again, since you don't like feeling manipulated, how does the media's lack of coverage of the leaks make you feel?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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How is Wikileaks *not* revealing any information?

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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ive seen ample coverage of leaks on cnn and fox and politico and google news.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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wikileaks isnt revealing information so much as setting an agenda with drip drop tactics that arent really damning. the slow release of information may not even be their choice. Theyre most likely a tool.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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On CNN, they spend more time discussing Russia than the leaks themselves. And again, their anchor even claimed it was illegal for the public to read them.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Not revealing information? Depends on what source you listen to. I listen to NPR frequently and have barely heard a peep. If anything, it's usually some of the more trivial stuff. Nothing to see, move along.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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'"Aren't really damning": They 1) got 3 of the GS transcripts, which were pretty much confirmatory. 2) Exposed how close the campaign is with the press (very) 3) Revealed her true stance on TTP (confirmatory)

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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4) Detailing how the campaign has worked to get around the SuperPAC coordination rules. 5) Got (at least) one town hall question before hand. 6) How she really feels about fracking

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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7) Met with the king of morocco for a $12M foundation donation. 8) May have selected Kaine for veep in july 2015 9) performed campaign activities prior to declaring candidacy while still giving those speeches

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Just a small list, all of which you've undoubtedly heard before. How are any of those not "information"?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Because anything being used by Trump and Fox News isn't information... It's AGENDA

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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you guys just cant see this with an even head. drew cant even see that im saying wikileaks is being used by the person who gave them the information, not by the people using the information.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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1) we all knew the speeches were bad(not bad just hillary being hillary), thats why she wouldnt release them. 2)Ive been telling people that the press has been preparing for Hillary 2016 since 2014

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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politico was doing a year of the woman in 2015 for ####s sake.

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3)WHO DIDNT ####ING KNOW SHE WAS PRO TPP?!

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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4) Obama did the same things, Mccain used Potter to help him get around mccain feingold.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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5) Questions in a debate dont matter, candidates, especially hillary are prepared for all of them and none really answer them anyway.

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6) Position on fracking? what did wikileaks say because everyone knows she has been pro fracking.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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When you say everyone knows (knew) , what you really mean is everyone strongly suspected but couldn't confirm. The Wikileaks provided that confirmation. Whereas before there was plausible deniability, with the leaks, there is not.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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That's why the campaign is trying to change the discussion to one about Russia. I also think that you wouldn't have problems with any of it had it happened during Democratic primary times or to Trump or RNC etc.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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Really, Drew, what makes you say there wouldn't be any problems if it were Trump or the RNC? I can understand why the discussion about Russia: they caused the leaks. Not worthy of discussion Drew?

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

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It's the clear bias of the leaks that bothers me. The intent to sway voters toward one of the two candidates is clear. Why do you feel that the Clinton campaign should not make this a point of discussion?

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

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No, I mean if you were reasonable you knew who hillary clinton was. if you ekpt yourself educated you knew.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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In the primaries, during the democrat debates bernie sanders said the american people are tired of hearing about your damn emails, ive been sick of hearing about it every ####ing day and in every ####ing debate.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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and every time trump tries quoting sanders it makes me sick that he thinks hes getting real liberals to vote for his fascist policies.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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get used to it, Josh. there's enough "information" in them to keep them in there news post election.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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1) the content of those three speeches are still information, and notable that she was lying about them. 2) press preparing for hill 2016 is one thing. what was exposed is much worse. rip journalism

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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3) apparently Hillary didn't, because she keeps saying she's against it in public 4) I don't doubt that.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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5) integrity of the debates matter. slipping a question to a candidate, especially on a touchy subject like the death penalty raises big questions

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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6) her public position on fracking is much more limited than her private position was exposed to be.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Doc, the source of the leaks is indeed a big story, but the information contained in the leaks is *also* a story. Obviously a campaign is a campaign so they'll try to minimize the 2nd bit and focus solely on first. But why are media doing the same?

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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Also Trump is a fool if he thinks he can get Sanders fans into him by name-dropping Bernie all the time. However, I don't think that's what he's trying to do.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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He's just as happy trying to get them disgusted enough with the process and Democratic nominee that they don't vote at all or say vote third-party but in a swing state.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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I wonder how much "silent support" Trump has

AMi @ 10 months ago

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5% give or take.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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And debate questions call into question donna braziles integrity, getting a debate question in a debate system where people dont answer questions is like nixon raiding the watergate hotel.

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he was already going to win in a landslide.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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and trump trying to get democrats to stay home as a political tactic is an entertaining notion if trump wasnt constantly getting republicans to stay home just by opening his mouth.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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trump having any thought to his campaign is a laughable idea.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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hillary clinton is hillary clinton, nothing in wikileaks is anything but hillary being hillary, if you thought hillary was different then you were already voting for her, and wouldnt see criticism.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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nothing in wikileaks should be new information to anyone who already thought she was a hawkish republican leaning person who lies to voters to get their votes.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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hillary is mitt romney. donald trump is mussolini.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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so, would we better off not having the confirmatory information in WL?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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while it's not new information, it's confirmation of things she and her campaign have adamantly denied. that makes it worthwhile, whoever you are voting for.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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re debate question: yes debates are mostly for show. but they can and do change races. the appearance of partial moderators is always a problem. leaking questions goes beyond that

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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you dont need to muddy the waters by bringing up the specter of partial moderators.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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hillary clinton lies to her voters because thats what her voters want her to do. donald trump lies to his voters because thats what they want him to do. wikileaks information is not informing us that hillary clinton

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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is a liar, because we already know. its not informing her voters because its not what they want to hear and its only stating what trump voters want to hear.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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if information was the issue it would all be released at once, its a measured dose not for informations sake, but for manipulations sake.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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At the heart of all this I agree with the new electronic transparency by, for, and of the people. It's similar to undisclosed video of cops...very powerful stuff. Problem is the source in this particular case. But in general Wikileaks is good.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

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the only real evidence I've seen so far is from arstechnica re spearphishing. Clapper's statement was basically it was sophisticated, so it only could've been Russia. that's not proof of anything.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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It could've been Russia... We don't like Russia... Trump likes Putin... We don't like Putin... Hence it's gotta be Russia.. QED

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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I thought there was actual proof, during the debate didn't the moderator cite multiple U.S. intel agencies as pointing to Russia as the source? Was that just speculation?

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

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Hey didn't multiple intelligence agencies declare wmds in iraq?

The Drew @ 10 months ago

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No, there was not actual proof. Here is the statement. https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/215-press-releases-2016/1423-joint-dhs-odni-election-security-statement

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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reposted from earlier in the thread.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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First paragraph explains the reasoning behind blaming Russia

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Clapper, the DNI, represents 17 agencies of the IC Here are the agencies: https://www.dni.gov/index.php/intelligence-community/members-of-the-ic

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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This is the same Clapper that lied about collecting intelligence on American citizens - purportedly the lie that inspired Snowden's whistleblowing in the first place.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Back to those 17 agencies. Look at the list. Only a handful even remotely handle this type of cybercrime.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Yeah but there are 17

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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That's like a big number

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

The guy (Yevgeniy Nikulin, caught last week in Czech) who hacked LinkedIn and got over 100M user's info was not a state actor.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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For example... In order to hack requires electricity... Department of Energy. Hacking also requires a lot of coffee... Caffeine is a drug...Drug Enforcement Agency

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Two british kids hacked the CIA director's AOL account with social engineering. Guccifer did the same with numerous high profile people, including Blumenthal and GWB's sister.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Podesta sounds like he was caught by a spearphishing attack with a faked google login page and bitly url shortener. Advanced, sure...but not state level stuff by any means.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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@Drew - drugs cost money => Treasury.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Drugs and money are smuggled on ships => coast guard

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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ok well speculation then, though I haven't heard any info or speculation to the contrary. Not proof of course.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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speculating about alternatives would make them seem less sure it's the Russians, hurting the blame Russia narrative.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Since it's been popular for Kaine, Brazile, et al to claim the documents are forged: http://blog.erratasec.com/2016/10/yes-we-can-validate-wikileaks-emails.html They're lying there, too

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I saw an interview with Hillary's campaign manager. He had no answers aside from deflection and misdirection. It was pathetic.

AMi @ 10 months ago

Downers Grove, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

A field of ineffective strawmen

AMi @ 10 months ago

Naperville, IL, USA

52b98be5a18dc0a6247dc74eb351d1a1

Was that the one where he couldn't even answer a question about her foreign policy on Syria?

CD1 @ 10 months ago

Ames, IA, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

he didn't answer ANY questions, it was embarrassing

AMi @ 10 months ago

Wheaton, IL, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

her whole candidacy is embarrassing . hey Hillary, I don't care who stole your "safe" emails. Answer this question; Are they TRUE? . .

H2O @ 10 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

No, it was strategic. When you're winning the race you don't risk going all out.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Strategic, lol, only if the populace if truly that brainwashed and/or apathetic

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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is

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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@H2O - the DKIM signatures confirm that the e-mails are real and not tampered with Team HRC is playing it smart by not answering a single question on them and running out the clock. Smart politics.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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@AMI - the populace is pretty apathetic...

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Yep

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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FYI, Hillary's birthday is on Wednesday. Rumor is Assange has a surprise.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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then that would be incredibly pathetic.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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yeah that would be totally mean

Mr. Pink @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Whatever Assange has... It certainly won't be 'information' it'll just be AGENDA!

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Would that be more or less pathetic than the elaborate scheme of shell companies that was exposed to try to paint JA as a pedophile?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Oh wow, just read about that one. "When they go low, we go high" lmao.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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I know why republicans like drew or ami would root for wikileaks after every single drop came from this literal leaky faucet. but skal youre just coming across like a bitter loser about bernie and im concerned.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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sure hillary is not a good option, shes a terrible option but youre taking this a little hard and you may end up just like every other republican so full of rage and anger.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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So why are you so concerned about the leaks, Trump has already sunk his ship.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Like you said, "it's about consistency" I'm sick of corruption. That's why I supported Bernie, support Johnson, and can't support Hillary (or Trump).

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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There's no doubt in my mind Hillary will win by a landslide and claim a mandate. A mandate by a corrupt politician in cahoots with the media worries me.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Yeah I'm concerned about that too. And it won't really be a mandate for her either (though she'll certainly claim it), it'll really just be a mandate against having a President Trump.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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"hillary is not a good option, shes a terrible option" Then why vote for her? If we keep voting for terrible options, that what we'll keep getting. Self-fulfilling prophecy.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I wonder what Utah will end up doing. That's the reddest state that hates Trump most, it'll be cool if they go for that McMullin, would respect that one.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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I wonder what would happen in a scenario where no one made it past the post and the race went to the House.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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that would be fun

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Yeah I want that one.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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@Josh - I also disagree with her positions very strongly on cybersecurity/encryption issues. I fully expect her to support the AT&T-TW merger and to sweep AT&T's spying revelations under the rug.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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"Regulators should scrutinize this closely" (and then allow it) .

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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I think Bam & Co did a good job preventing some of those attempted mergers that happened on his watch.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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I think they also did a good job preventing major terrorist activities inside U.S. borders. They also prevented the country from going over the brink economically. I believe we were very close to real, old school depression.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Agreed.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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We did have some major attacks, Boston bombing for example.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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But forget that. More about Wikileaks, that's old stuff. Wikileaks is newww

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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So what do ya think Hildabeast will do in her first 100 days?

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Executive order banning FOIA I'm thinking.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Haven't had a new war in a while, - - thinking she's up for one of those.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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How about the Pulse night club?

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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California?

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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We did have some attacks. Really tough to stop lone wolves, though.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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With the escalating tensions with Russia and her eagerness to place no fly zone over Syria, that might not be too far off, Drew...

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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That would be fantastic (sarcasm), I wonder how many would care about safe spaces then

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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She didn't have a very good answer when asked if she would shoot down a Russian jet violating that zone

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Hillary will win in a landslide electorally, maybe even taking Texas...

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I kinda wanna see that just for Trump's reaction.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Trump will go full steam ahead with his own TV propaganda network

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Wonder what's next for Trump.. All his properties are in very blue areas that absolutely hate him as a politician. It's weird for me to pass by them.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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It's kinda funny how the Trump hotel in DC towers over the WJC building next door.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I would say "looms"

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Well the WJC name is relatively new. It used to be the Post Office.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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True.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Drew, are there often supporters or protesters (or both!) hanging out around Trump's properties?

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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You don't have to support hillary, I won't either. But to think she will win in a landslide is hopeful thinking. People like PNS and PLC and H20 will be voting for trump. There is significant shame in republicans

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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and the fear of defending trump that they often move back and forth for gary johnson, his recent slide in the polls has gone right to trump. While trump still has a large electoral hurdle dont kid yourself on his support

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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But this pouncing on every piece of news that isnt news is weirdly aggressive and we dont need to work ourselves up about every single leak when theyre pretty par for the course for clinton.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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What's not newsworthy? They are blaming Russia with little evidence, escalating tensions. That recklessness is newsworthy. They claim forgery, proven false. Also newsworthy.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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The degree of presstitution exposed is newsworthy. Before it was merely suspicion. Now there's proof. It may not be news to you or me. But that's no reason to ignore it.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Is it more or less newsworthy than pussygate (which already seems to be fading quickly)?

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I don't really care if it's "par for the course for Clinton". Corruption deserves sunlight, not just when it's convenient.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Lol seriously.. "par for the course".... That's why it's not real news?! Wtf man.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Reminds me of that MadTV sketch.. Lower Expectations.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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The press is just overheated all the time now. They make news where there is none, for example headlines that imply news...where there isn't any. But it gives you the impression of some wrongdoing that lingers.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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It's a product of a truly continuous news cycle...24-7-365. There isn't enough real news to fill that up most days. So they're left to manufacture it.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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And then they have a narrative before the facts like.. Hands up don't shoot, UVA rape, Keith Lamont scott... List goes on..

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Rathergate...

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

@Evil - I agree that news is manufactured to fill the cycle. But...are you implying these stories aren't newsworthy or are manufactured controversies?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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who's raping grapes?

UndrWater @ 10 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

Headlines! Drew accusations of grape rape! News at 11! :-)

UndrWater @ 10 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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I believe there is actual news but there is also a lot of manufactured news or perhaps you might call it implied news. I think a lot of things get artificially magnified to compete.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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This is the problem with the media, imo. They compete like starving dogs for tiny scraps of nothing because there isn't enough news to satisfy the ADHD news cycle.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

What the #### are you guys talking about, its not news to us. this isnt about the news cycle its about us as people and the reactions were having to the election

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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i really dont understand why everytime i say something you take it somewhere else and run with it. this is like the 4th time in this thread alone.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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so if donald trump comes out and says he really doesnt know why bill clinton even has sex with hillary because shes so unattractive drew and ami will just shake their heads but it wont generate new controversy.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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THAT is "not really news" or "par for the course" it certainly doesnt ####ing need 24/7 coverage on any station.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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####, you guys, get your #### together.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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Ladies and gentlemen, I present the party of Hillary Clinton.

Taco Bowl @ 10 months ago

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The part that *is* news is the confirmation. Before it was just suspicion, easily dismissed.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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you said "we dont need to work ourselves up about every single leak when theyre pretty par for the course for clinton" The hypothetical you just gave was Trump talking about hillary being unattractive. Not similar.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Before it was suspected that the clintons were involved in shady dealings with the CF. These suspicions were dismissed for lacking proof. Now that's coming out in the WL. That's nothing like your hypothetical.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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In your opinion Josh, is the big news story from yesterday's leak (WJC, Inc.) newsworthy?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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everything is newsworthy isnt it? i tuned the whole leak story out though so if it was on tv i didnt watch it, i havent seen anything on the internet about it. but you already say its a big news story?

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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everything is newsworthy isnt it? i tuned the whole leak story out though so if it was on tv i didnt watch it, i havent seen anything on the internet about it. but you already say its a big news story?

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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here are the top 10 stories on politico

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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1Trump: 'We should just cancel the election and just give it to Trump' 2The nation’s cartoonists on the week in politics 3Republicans at war over Supreme Court 4GOP insiders: Polls don't capture secret Trump voters

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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5 Man who destroyed Trump's star is 'proud' of his work 6 Trump's direct transfers to RNC in October: $2.2 million 7 Swing-state polls: Clinton pulls even with Trump in Iowa and Georgia

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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8 Who could replace Paul Ryan? 9 Trump blames 'the microphones' for catching his 2005 talk about sexual assault 10 Dems demand apology for Kirk comments on Duckworth's heritage

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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but you say there is a big story?

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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will i have to go to fox news to find this big story?

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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OH YES I ####ING DO!

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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Right there, front page, big blaring headline. THANKS, WIKILEAKS Trump seizes on damning emails to accuse Clintons of corruption

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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THANKS WILILEAKS!

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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Emphasis and capital letters not my own.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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SNARKY BEHAVIOR: Emails show Clinton staffers sought to 'bern' Sanders with poolside pic EXCLUSIVE: Podesta relative earned $$$ lobbying State Department SUPPORTING HIS CASE: Trump cites voter registration problems to

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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WHY USE DAD? Garner's daughter rips Clinton camp over leaks VIDEO: Eric Garner's daughter rips Clinton camp over latest emails MEDIA BUZZ: Even Chelsea ripped 'hustling' at lucrative family foundation

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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'STUNNING VICTORY' Lawyer tased as Bundys win dramatic acquittal VIDEO: Bundy brothers acquitted in occupation of wildlife sanctuary

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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I'm ####ing done with wikileaks

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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^Translation: I liked Wikileaks when they were going after the former Bush administration, but now....

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Pretty much. He sounds mad. You see that deflection?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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You like NPR, let's try going there: http://www.npr.org/2016/10/27/499601267/bill-clinton-inc-wikileaks-shows-links-between-foundation-personal-cash

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Oh yeah, another big non-story: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-re-open-investigation-clinton-email-server-n674631

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Interesting one (seriously): https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/34899

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/28/fbi-reopens-investigation-into-clinton-email-use.html

Taco Bowl @ 10 months ago

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What we have here is an election where either a dirty corrupt scumbag or Mussolini Lite will get elected.... it truly will be a fun 4 years

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I linked the same story in the NBC link, PLC...

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Yeah, I saw that too late. Sorry.

Taco Bowl @ 10 months ago

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Doesn't nbc know that by publishing an article like that, it furthers - - agenda - -

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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NP PLC. @Drew - You're right. They better "cut it out".

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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WEINER!

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

The gift that keeps on giving!

Taco Bowl @ 10 months ago

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I knew that Huma Abedin was going to be a problem for Hillary as soon as Anthony's Weiner got exposed. That's been an uncomfortable connection...so to speak.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Dickileaks, The Stroking Gun. Lol NY Post.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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I just saw the post's cover and almost had to buy myself a new keyboard.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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you guys are ####ing retarded

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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you may want to go back to arguing with bhaven

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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U mad bro?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Next you'll be telling me that the FBI reopening an investigation on the leading presidential candidate 11 days before the election isn't newsworthy. Nothing to see here, move along folks.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Those Hillary supporters are a funny bunch.

Taco Bowl @ 10 months ago

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I think he's upset at the Dickileaks.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

no, im done telling you what i was telling you and its really not my fault that you are too upset to realize what you look at. Bhaven is more your speed if youre going to be emotional and not rational about this.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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he should be here with a new post soon enough for you.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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^from the guy who thinks the test for newsworthiness ought to be based on which political party he thinks the story harms.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

never once said that but who cares right?! just say whatever the #### you want?! why the #### not?!

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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wont let facts get in the ####ing way here, drew and skal are here to say whatever the #### they want regardless of what the people were talking to are saying.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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oh and plc will jump back into the conversation when he has people to cover him again! wow look at that!

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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you guys are right, youre not on bhavens level at all!

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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where the #### is racer?

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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Meltdown mode.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

im voting for gary johnson out of principle and for more options in the future, youre voting for him because youre ####ing butthurt that bernie lost. move the #### on.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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do you think the hillary campaign is any more underhanded than michelle saying hillary cant control her own house how is she going to control the country? this is an election, youre a grown ass man, ####ing act like it.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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am i ####ing mad bro? this is just the first time i have directed it at you. https://youtu.be/_Qq6dQwLh1s?t=50

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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I don't think you know who is voting for Johnson or their real reason for doing it. Do we not often settle for "less than ideal but more in line with our own thinking than the other candidates"? To that extent you are butt hurt too I'd guess.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Anyone's views are as valid as yours. Anyway my plan is to vote for Johnson but I may change my mind once that ballot is in front of me. I admit I am scared to think that Trump could win. I'll pretty much do what I think I must to prevent that.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

if I lived in a purple state I'd likely be resigned to vote for Hillary just cuz I'm scared of Trump and I don't want to contribute to his electoral college score.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

omg I bought a VR headset for my phone...fúcking awesome! And cheap, no doubt they give you the tech at cost so you buy the shít within the app that drives the headset. I don't care. It's fúcking cool you can do this with your phone.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

^wants to use VR porn

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Doc, VR is the future. it is awesome! if you like the phone headset, which I love as well... shell out some money for the Oculus Touch or HTC Vive 2 coming out in a few months

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Experiencing those is life changing for real.... it's hard to describe how truly awesome the room experience is

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Given that computers weren't even available to the public when I was a kid, and phones were just (hardwired) phones, it's really mind blowing on more than one front for me.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

@josh - am I still invited to your birthday party?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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LOL Drew, the last time I watched porn was in college. True story, our student-funded campus activities planning committee (made up solely of students!) had weekly porn showings. Free, only for students. They let you bring alcohol and food in.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I just worry the porn actresses will get distracted with porn actors fcking them with headmounted GoPros

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

This was a very popular campus activity as you can imagine. We went in large groups, got stinking drunk, then walked downtown to the bars. On-campus life was nice then.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

indeed Doc, exciting times in tech

AMi @ 10 months ago

Addison, IL, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

And the drinking age was 18 in NY at the time. Much better partying atmosphere than now. Also you'd not get away with mandatory student fees paying for porn now!

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

imagine the triggering!

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

Adam's probably mad because he's the only person in West Virginia supporting Hillary. . That woman could sell the country for her profit and commit murder in public, he'd still deny it and blame a Republican for setting her up. .

H2O @ 10 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Maybe, but that seriously sounds like something Trump might actually do!

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Ami, I'm sure it was triggering to some. It always has been.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

i guess?

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

yes, but my birthday was in september.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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Speaking of meltdown mode. http://www.mediaite.com/online/krugman-goes-on-rant-about-disgraceful-comey-letter-is-he-trying-to-swing-election/

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

so. What do you think the odds are for Obama issuing a blanket pardon for Hillary as he leaves. You know. For the purpose of ending all of rancor and uniting the country.

jc @ 10 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

I can't foresee any situation where that action would have those intended consequences.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I don't think Obama particularly likes Hillary

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Lol JC at that joke.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

@Skal, there is one. . protecting his legacy .

H2O @ 10 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

I'm just sayin'. Stranger things have already happened during this election cycle.

jc @ 10 months ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

What's the difference, no matter what once she's in office Congress will impeach Clinton and that's what we'll hear about for four fúcking years. This as a strategy to finally elect a Republican.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

hooray! I hope it's a male Caucasian!

Mr. Pink @ 10 months ago

Hinckley Township, OH 44233, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

@H2O - yes, it would protect Obama's legacy. But my point was it wouldn't have the desired effect of "ending all of rancor and uniting the country."

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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@JC - had their not been events during the investigation that gave the appearance of WH interference (such as the plane meeting or BO being caught lying about his knowledge of the setup), that option might have worked.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I think I'm at a honey boo boo's mom look alike contest

Mr. Pink @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

family reunion?

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

breakfast bar

Mr. Pink @ 10 months ago

University Circle, Cleveland, OH

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

now I'm at the art museum

Mr. Pink @ 10 months ago

University Circle, Cleveland, OH

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

Starbucks

Mr. Pink @ 10 months ago

Lakewood, OH, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

How much is the full body latte?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Pleading the fifth is totally in these days

AMi @ 10 months ago

Naperville, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I just can't stop laughing how it's come down to WEINER. The joke was supposed to be over in 2011 and it's still here, he's like some kinda Democratic Herpes with periodic break outs.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

So... How long until Brazile steps down?

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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Maybe not at all, don't the Clintons like to keep their corrupt friends very close?

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

The real question is where will the parachute land

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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In Arizona

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

There will be no one, really, at the helm of the DNC, yet the party is (still) relatively united...the opposite problem from that of the RNC.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I really am disappointed in Brazile. I thought she had integrity. I hoped she would bring that to the DNC. I was so wrong.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

^thinks politicians have integrity. Hahhahaa

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

RNC and DNC are both united in corruption. And the Berniebros... They called it on DNC.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Well I suppose integrity is relative when it comes to politicians, but she hasn't really been that...not directly anyway.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

I'm really enjoying team HRC going into full panic mode. If only there were a name for that feeling.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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yeah, an American name.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

she pulled a Munson

Mr. Pink @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

let's see, Obama? No that's not an American name

Mr. Pink @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

American words are the best words.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

HRC team has gallons of urine soaking through their GoodNites®

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

didn't something similar happen to Bush Jr right before his second election?

AMi @ 10 months ago

Elmhurst, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I know something happened with Bush Sr before his reelection. If you wikisearch October Surprise, a list of stuff comes up.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

There's a long Demxplanation in the wiki for Bush Sr. I'm guessing that whole page is under massive edit wars at the moment.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

if youre not watching fox news all the time fivethirtyeight did an examination on if october surprises affect an election, showed 1-3% change, bush jr was drunk driving arrest release.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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Oh yeah was an interesting article. Rathergate I wonder what affect that had, was a September thing though.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

But ya know, that was Fake But Accurate lol.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Fake but accurate Duke Lacrosse, Fake but accurate Tawanna Brawley, fake but accurate Michael Brown, fake but accurate 'Rape on Campus'....

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Also Fivethirtyeights article is incorrectly titled, it should be "How much have October Surprises moved the polls (in the past)".

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I think Fivethirtyeight gets stuck trying to fit events into some kinda political "rules' they invent looking at past elections. That's why they kept discounting the rise of Trump, cuz it violated all the rules they came up with.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Well they are statisticians at heart. Each of their models is based on prior observations. It's the world they live in.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I'm sure they are great at parties

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

They mean well

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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absolutely

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

441587fe232d918c3a4c8497d22aa156

I still think voting for Killary gets me closer to my goal in life but I will have a hard time doing it.

President Not Sure @ 10 months ago

Wright City, MO, USA

441587fe232d918c3a4c8497d22aa156

I have some ammo that will go to waste when I die. killary will make the US a hunting ground. I will have a reason to use my ammo.

President Not Sure @ 10 months ago

Wright City, MO, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

ok then, slappy.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Fivethirtyeight definitely mean well, but I think the present-tense of that headline shows that they are falling into the same trap they criticized *themselves* for.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

I agree. And am sad you missed the bad pun.

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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At least you're not mean about it. :(

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

It would take a perfect square or maybe even a medium to solve that mean meant mean and not mean

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Stop being so obtuse

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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I was trying to figure out something with the Pythagorean Theorem, but it just didn't add up

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

try rootin' for it, AMI .

H2O @ 10 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

*rim shot*

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

This thread isn't normal

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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define "Voter Map normal", please .

H2O @ 10 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Bimodal curious

Tjaden Froyda @ 10 months ago

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☆TRUMP☆ https://www.google.com/amp/newsninja2012.com/oh-snap-barack-obama-and-elizabeth-warren-has-unfollowed-hillary-clinton-too/amp

Mr. Pink @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

It follows.

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

see, mr pink is brave enough to proudly admit he follows fake news stories in support of donald trump because he is a trump voter, it doesnt matter that he made fun of a handicapped guy!

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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barack obama made a self depricating joke about his bowling skills only a social justice warrior would actually care about indirect offensiveness.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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mr pink has only been pounding the special olympics joke over and over and over not because he actually cares, of course he doesnt, he just didnt like obama, now donald trump, there is a man with principle!

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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there are a lot of things that can be said about that, but at least hes honest.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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"I would bust that tight pússy so hard and so often that you would leak and limp for a week"

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

-Anthony Weiner to underage teen

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

leak... that's romantic

AMi @ 10 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

☆TRUMP☆

Mr. Pink @ 10 months ago

North Royalton, OH 44133, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Dickileaks and 'Ginaleaks

The Drew @ 10 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

‘Vote Trump’ painted on wall of burned-out black church in Mississippi http://flip.it/PPkVSR

Mr. Pink @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

White Male Supremacy 2016!!!

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

we dont know who did that yet mr pink but we know trump supporters did this.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/28/trumps-words-insulted-this-hispanic-woman-her-coworkers-used-them-to-terrorize-her/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.2843114594d1

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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you'll get a laugh out of it.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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oh my God that's hilarious. She's from Mexico right? Too funny! ÅSSHOLE!

Mr. Pink @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5bsfv3/lets_give_assange_some_love_for_showing_america/

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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Go Johnson! You can do it! The polls are all skewed... He can win this thing!

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Maybe Trump can help him sue when he doesn't win, due to the rigged election.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

White Bear Lake, MN, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Absolutely not. > 5% is the goal.

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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I am the 5℅

AMi @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Shh skål, don't rain on my parade

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

What if it's purple?

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

MSNBC already called it for Clinton

AMi @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Badumpbumpbump

The Drew @ 8 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

DadumpTrumpbump

Tjaden Froyda @ 8 months ago

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https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Tjaden Froyda @ 8 months ago

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Thanks for posting. I loved reading that in depth analysis of RT programming

AMi @ 8 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

I know, right? It reads like a bad term paper.

Tjaden Froyda @ 8 months ago

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McCain called it an act of war, what a goofball CNN was just freaking out about it with Don "It wasn't evil" Lemon leading the charge

AMi @ 8 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Don may still be hungover from NYE.

Tjaden Froyda @ 8 months ago

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indeed

AMi @ 8 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

What happened to that WV guy?

The Drew @ 7 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

In b4 h2o says he was deported.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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ROFLMAO . he's trying to sell his mesican Ford stock .

H2O @ 7 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

reddit's worst ama ever compliments of julian assange prompted me to check in on you guys. im not really interested in this is the people who used to be smart are stupid now.

[412035] @ 7 months ago

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Julian did an ama?

UndrWater @ 7 months ago

South Redondo, Redondo Beach, CA 90277

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https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/5n58sm/i_am_julian_assange_founder_of_wikileaks_ask_me/

[412035] @ 7 months ago

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most replies are in video form, if you can call them replies

[412035] @ 7 months ago

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wow. do you know if they responded to the issue of the hashes?

UndrWater @ 7 months ago

Southwood Riviera, Torrance, CA 90505

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Which hashes? The hashes released on twitter?

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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@Josh - http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee385/Midnight1337/u-mad-bro-again.jpg

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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apparently they release hashes with each document. several posters on Reddit were concerned that some did not match.

UndrWater @ 7 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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So maybe it's not really Assange or what I'm confused. Explain it like I'm five?

The Drew @ 7 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Ahh... gotcha. Those hashes were in reference to insurance files for upcoming releases. If something were to have happened and the deadman's switch was activated, those files would be released.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Those hashes could be used to confirm that the files have not been tampered with. In October, they released 3 hashes. The corresponding insurance files do not match those.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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It is very curious, Drew. Maybe the files were tampered with or added to since then? No real explanation yet.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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@Josh - I'm just curious, have you looked at the Buzzfeed dossier that McCain gave the FBI? BC I really hope that wasn't the source of their intelligence assessments...

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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I used to envision you as a well dressed Scandinavian, but now it's more like Sloth from the Goonies

AMi @ 7 months ago

Roseville, MN 55113, USA

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The golden shower jokes are pretty funny though.

The Drew @ 7 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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@AMI - a giant troll? @Drew - hilarious. And it's full of errors. If that's the quality of intelligence that gave the spooks high confidence, skepticism is well deserved.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Buzzfeed just publishing memos without any verification is fcked up though esp with the editor voicing his concerns about 'fake news', the more this kinda stuff is done the more the born-fake stuff becomes a problem.

The Drew @ 7 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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It also looks like a lot of *this* stuff could be 'born-fake' so these distinctions between the types of "fakes' keep getting more and more broken down.

The Drew @ 7 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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I'm a frog, and the water feels toasty.

UndrWater @ 7 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Exactly

The Drew @ 7 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Welcome to the new war zone. Bad news for us is that Russia is already winning the war.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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giant trolls are lumbering about

AMi @ 7 months ago

Energy Park, Saint Paul, MN

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Apparently near the Como Zoo. :) @Evil - How is Russia winning?

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Information war. It's on now and we're already losing. Russia planned this well.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Stillwater, MN 55082, USA

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I assume you are referring to basically what is in Annex A of the DNI report? Correct? https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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I escaped!!

AMi @ 7 months ago

New Lisbon, WI 53950, USA

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Yeah that is exactly it, Schaden. They've seen the soft underbelly of our digital addiction and are using it to incredible advantage...digitally bombing the fúckwads out of us. It's going to get much worse than it is now too.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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I don't know whether or not to believe what used to be reliable factual sources anymore. Once we are firmly there, it's not hard to take the next step to insert the desired propaganda into the stream. The mooing herds will consume their digital

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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diets like always and the desired topics will be discussed with the right slant.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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JUST like the election!!! Hey that was so easy!

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Ok. Would you agree that HRC losing WI, IA, MI, PA, and OH is what cost her the election?

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Now I could be wrong, but I really don't think the voters who swung to Trump in those states get their news from RT...

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Similarly, the case they tried to build in the DNI report about RT's social media popularity uses all the old statistical tricks in the book.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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For example, "RT had the most rapid growth (40 percent)" Did viewership go from 10 to 14? 100K to 140K? "Audience tripled": So now 30 people watch it?

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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The relative % are useless. Likewise, the social media buzz is over-sold. Very few follow them on twitter or likes/share their content on Facebook. They also lump together RT and RT America to inflate YouTube numbers.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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If you actually go to their youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/RussiaToday), scroll down to the bottom to see their most popular videos: Meteor - 40M Singing homeless person ~ 40M Tsunami vid1 - ~36M

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Tsunami vid2 - 21M Cruise ship - 18M Amusement park ride - 16M Tsunami vid3 - 13M Tsunami vid4 - 12M Tsunami vid5 - 12M Tsunami vid6 - 13M Kid falling from ferris wheel - 10M

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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The list goes on. Those type of videos make up about 1/2 of those 900 million views.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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"I don't know whether or not to believe what used to be reliable factual sources anymore." Yep. Even WaPo recently had to retract two articles (the PropOrNot and the Vermont Power hacking) for being fake news

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Don't get me wrong - there's no question that RT pushes propaganda. I just doubt the assertions of how influential it actually was because it doesn't add up. RT didn't make WI, IA, OH, PA, and MI go red.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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It wasn't our fault!!! wahhhh wahhhh wahhhh

AMi @ 7 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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well that was insightful and helpful.

UndrWater @ 7 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Like anything here is (except for Tjaden occasionally), let's not get too full of ourselves

AMi @ 7 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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After all the whining about the fake news, seems like a lot of mainstream sources have now lowered their standards about what to publish if they think it's against Trump.

The Drew @ 7 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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I didn't mean to imply that Russia's influence swung the election completely. But I do believe there could have been additional covert activity, easy to pay people to past fake shít. And I think all of this is just getting started.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Eagan, MN, USA

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^ post fake shít ^ Like I said, the first stage is having us doubt our own reliable sources of factual information. That's where we are headed. Insertion of propaganda is more effective after you break people's confidence in previously reliable

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Eagan, MN, USA

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sources. This is the information war I'm talking about.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Eagan, MN, USA

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The so-called previously reliable sources have already broken people's confidence by their own behavior.

The Drew @ 7 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Newest Trump advisor??? Steve Harvey of course!

AMi @ 7 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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So we're an easier target then, Drew.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Obama's change in Cuban immigration policy is just more last minute pettiness

AMi @ 7 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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"easy to pay people to past fake shít. " @Evil - are you familiar with "Correct the record"?

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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"Like I said, the first stage is having us doubt our own reliable sources of factual information." When those once-reliable sources become unreliable, they have only themselves to blame.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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The wonderful thing about the internet is that getting raw information from the source is much easier. It no longer has to be pre-digested and served to us by newspapers, etc.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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I no longer have to read about what Rep XYZ said. I can just pull it up on YouTube and watch them say it. In the process, blatant bias/omission by these previously reliable sources is easier to notice.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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I agree but it's a double edged sword and you know it: otherwise an armed idiot would not show up at a pizza joint looking for a pedophile sex ring led by Hillary Clinton.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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It's not as if most people fact check the shít they read. So paying people to post fake facts is an easy way to manipulate a large section of the U.S. public.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Just because you CAN fact check doesn't mean you will. most people are all too happy to swallow everything wholesale. I've seen stuff on here like Obama is gay or molested his kids etc. you know is some idiot spouting off online but some on this

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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forum choose to just believe it. Then they repeat it like it's a fact. Unfortunately these idiots, collectively, are our greatest national weakness in the Information War. And they are everywhere.

Dr. Evil @ 7 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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nah, I do that to piss off bmoron and compare his own logic idiocy. . now if YOU started to believe,,, I'll call buzz feed or wp.

H2O @ 7 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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Re Pizzagate - Those people are conspiracy nuts. Conspiracy nuts didn't believe objective facts before the internet, why would they now?

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Why pay people to post fake facts on the internet to manipulate large sections of the US public? That's what AM radio is for...

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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"Just because you CAN fact check doesn't mean you will." True, but someone might. And if it's a big error/omission it can be quickly disseminated.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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To be fair, it's not just idiots that promote fake news uncritically. Going back to the WaPo's PropOrNot story, that was spread like wildfire by journalists - giving it legitimacy to many people.

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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By becoming partisan cheerleaders, many journalists and news orgs have become rightly seen as biased. But hey, objectivity doesn't get eyeballs, so at least they're making money, right?

Tjaden Froyda @ 7 months ago

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Protocols of the Elders of Zion published 1903, there'd be no Internet for quite some time. Pizzagate was a complete nothingburger in comparison to the damage that one did.

The Drew @ 7 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/business/media/trumps-urging-that-comey-jail-reporters-denounced-as-an-act-of-intimidation.html

Tjaden Froyda @ 3 months ago

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