Here's a question
How many males (or females) on this forum NEVER engaged in "locker room talk?"
@ 10 months ago
Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA
How many will admit to it. I know I have. To some extent.
@ 10 months ago
the party of donald trump ladies and gentlemen.
@ 10 months ago
412035 you have done that on this app. you better be careful it's a long fall off that high horse.
President Not Sure
@ 10 months ago
Wright City, MO, USA
then i guess i will never be president either.
Trump must've been teammates with Darren Sharper at some point.
@ 10 months ago
Or Mark Chmura
@ 10 months ago
Elmhurst, IL, USA
@ 10 months ago
Vulgar talk is one thing, bragging about sexual assault is another.
Did you just admit to sexually assaulting women?
there is a line there, and not a thin one
Villa Park, IL, USA
do you have proof of a sexual assault by anyone other than bill Clinton?
You've never bragged about desiring a female's body or talked about what you would like to do to a particular female?
can't wait for the lying to begin....
Keep trying. Trump is bragging about stuff he's actually done to women, not fantasizing about what he wants to do.
Again, are you admitting that you have bragged about committing sexual assault?
Because that's what you are implying.
Because no guy has ever exaggerated in front of "the guys".
What does does is open him up to lawsuits from any female who's ever been in the same ZIP Code as him
What this does*
Because all guys exaggerate by bragging they sexually assault women.
That's how stupid you sound.
Thats exactly what I said. SMH!
Keep shaking that head of yours while defending someone bragging about sexualized assault.
Stop being a drama queen. Guys talk #### all the time. Most of it is bull####. Im not surprised this is a foreign notion to you. I dont figure you to be the kind that goofs around with his friends. Youre not very social
Bragging about committing sexual assault is goofing around now?
You and your friends around like as$holes.
I don't blame you though. Clearly your parents messed up somewhere along the way.
Or maybe the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...
if you had friends you would know.
I've never heard them brag about sexually assaulting anyone.
Sounds like you and your friends have character issues.
I said if you had friends you would know. Guys talk about the dumbest #### sometimes. Most of it is bull####. I believe he beat the charges of sexual assault in court, didnt he? LOL!
Didnt he say they were ok with it? Then its not a crime. Move on. Nothing to see here.
It's stupid to think I have no friends.
Almost as stupid as dismissing his bragging about sexual assault as normal guy talk.
Defending someone's bragging about sexual assault as normal makes you an as$hole.
Yes, guys say stupid shìt. That's undeniable.
However, there's a difference between saying and doing. Trump is bragging he crossed that line and you're defending that as normal.
Crossing that line may be normal for you and your savage friends.
To claim that's normal behavior is pathetic.
Have your friends bragged to you that they raped a woman? How about groped?
Is that normal "guy talk" among your friends? Because you make it sound like it is.
If it did happen, they were ok with it. Who are you to tell them otherwise?
(Even if telling people how and what to think is your MO)
Were they OK with it?
You sound like someone who is dismissing rape because the woman had an orgasm.
And what am I telling you to think? That sexual assault is bad? You need to be told that?
He said they were ok with it. Aren't you believing what he said? Or is it only what you want to believe? How convenient. Have you heard about any criminal charges of sexual assault against him? I haven't.
So he says they were ok with it. They never seek charges. But you've already convicted him. Be careful. Your liberal bias is showing.
Years ago I had a co worker and friend who had his balls grabbed from behind at a company outing by another co-worker who was gay. I can assure you that he felt
violated and was not ok with it. But it was not something he weighed would be a net positive in his life to pursue retribution for the assault.
Imagine if you were a woman considering the ramifications of accusing a man with the resources that Trump has. Bad things happen to people all the time who decide to stay silent, doesn't mean it is OK
So we just convict without actually knowing. That sounds fair.
It could of happened so it must be true.
He said they were OK with it? Well that settles it. Better not ask the victims what they thought, the groper said they wanted it.
That's how stupid you sound.
Do you believe him or do you not? Make up your mind.
You believe the parts you want to believe and dismiss the parts you don't. Who are these victims? Why didn't any of them ever complain? Surely several will come forward now. Seeking a payday.
They'll have as much credibility as you. None.
One of them did in 97. Jill Harth. She claims to this day they were unwanted advances.
As AMI pointed out, it's not easy for sexual assault victims to speak up. I imagine even more so against the powerful.
You do realize how difficult it is for sexual assault victims to speak up, right?
I really hope that's not news to you.
Or is that just liberal propaganda?
Just to clarify, are you saying that he did what said in that audio clip? Without a doubt 100% fact. Is that your position here?
Just to clarify, how often do you and your friends high five each other recounting recent gropings?
You just answered a valid legitimate question with a stupid question. Very telling.
Why's it a stupid question? You implied what he said is pretty normal with your circle of friends. He bragged about committing sexual assault.
I'm just asking how often you guys brag.
About the same, since it's normal and all.
so you believe Trump talking bullshìt but NOT the women who ACTUALLY were fondled, groped, raped by Bill Clinton.
it's clearly obvious where you side
obviously I find it different when one is OK with it and the other isn't.
I repeated my question because you didn't answer it above.
I will continue to repeat it until you do.
@h2o - who said I didn't believe them.
Show me where I said that. Quotes please.
I've never physically sexually assaulted a women. No more than you.
No quotes, just your overall Hillary defense and attack. Divert the attention away from the real predator and character assassinate with vigor.
Now where is the actual proof, accusation/charges filed that Trump sexually assaulted a woman?
or are you telling us you believe, what liberals call, the biggest blowhard in the Republican party?
Attacking Trump for his stupid comment =/= defending Hillary in any way no matter how hard you spin it.
I've been pretty vocal anti Hillary on here, so don't try that false equivalence shīt on me
Jill Harth 1997 lawsuit.
You asked, there you go. Read up.
plc ladies and gentlemen.
anti Hillary, maybe, now have you ever engaged in locker room talk, esp about a nurse or patient
Normal guys have. Look at who you're asking.
Patient- absolutely not.
Nurse- personally no, but heard plenty from a group of single friends that dated many of them.
But let's stop pretending that what Trump said was lockerroom talk.
Which brings me back to my question for PLC - how often do you and your friends brag about committing sexual assault, since apparently that type of "locker room" talk is normal within your circle?
I wonder what ever happened with the Jill Harth lawsuit.
If only there was this thing called Google.
Is bragging about sexual assault normal in your circle?
"Characterizing her willingness to vote for Trump as an instance of “supporting a friend,” Harth added, “I saw him recently, and he said I looked good. I have nothing but good things to say about Donald.”"
Just to clarify, are you saying that he did what said in that audio clip? Without a doubt 100% fact. Is that your position here? I'll wait for your answer.
And what did she say about the groping?
Is bragging about sexual assault normal in your circle?
Since you found the Harth articles, you'll see that he has in fact been accused of doing exactly what he said in that audio tape.
He says he does it.
Harth reported he did it.
So my position is that he says he does it AND at least one woman has said it happened to her.
Now, how often do you and your friends brag about sexual assault?
He described it as an approach, not as a bad joke or as dudes just messing around. It is his MO
What ever happened with the Jill Harth lawsuit.
Heres what we have. A lawsuit that was dropped by a person who made horrible allegations then retracted the lawsuit. Then, years later, she expresses support for Trump. Thats problematic.
Im not saying he didnt assault her or anyone else. Im not trying to defend him or his action, whatever they may be. If he did, its horrible and a shame that he wasnt held responsible.
What Im saying here is that we dont know if what he said happened ever happened because guys tend to talk crap like this around other guys. Like I said, most of it is bull####. Thats what guys do.
Ever slap a girl on the ass? Thats sexual assault. How many guys have done that? I would guess nobody you know but as I said earlier, you dont come off as one of the guys hanging out kind of person.
Guys talk #### with each other. It doesnt always come off as a joke. Sometimes theyre trying to impress. Often its empty bravado bull####.
So.... how often does your circle brag about groping women against their will?
To conclude, unlike you, I can't say with certainty that he did or didnt do the things he bragged about. Theres not enough to convince me either way. You standards tend to be lower on these issues.
How often? LMAO!
Guy brags about being able to grope women because he's famous.
19 years earlier, woman describes him doing exactly that.
Others describe him barging into women's changing rooms at his pageants.
Reasonable people can conclude he probably wasn't lying based on that.
Apparently bragging about groping is normal between you and friends.
It's no surprise you are defending him.
Sorry, 8 years earlier woman describes him doing exactly that.
Yes, how often.
You imply that type of talk is normal along your friends. How often do they brag about groping?
Reasonable people? 1 allegation that was dropped by the accuser who later expressed support for him. Thats what youre basing this on?
That's what this is about, isn't it? What's normal locker room talk?
I've never heard people brag about groping. Neither have many, many angles. Apparently, you hear this all the time.
Am I defending him? Is that what you see? Cause Im not. I stated I dont know if it happened or not. Although as usual, you know exactly what happened. Thats how you roll.
Angles = athletes
How often do guys I know brag about touching women? Some would say too often and others would say not often enough.
Or groping, as you have chosen to express it.
Pathetic attempt at the word switch.
Groping has clear connotation that it's unwelcome.
what about grabbing?
grope[grohp] Spell Syllablesverb (used without object), groped, groping.
1.to feel about with the hands; feel one's way:
I had to grope around in the darkness before I found the light switch.
to search blindly or uncertainly:
He seemed to be groping for an answer to the question.
verb (used with object), groped, groping.
to seek by or as if by groping:
to grope one's way up the dark stairs.
The lawsuit was dropped as a condition of settling another suit.
Harth still stands by those claims. Trump's camp even tried to get her to recant. She refused.
to touch or handle (someone) for sexual pleasure.
an act or instance of groping.
Slang. an act or instance of sexually fondling another person.
You get so worked up. LOL! In your friendless circle of one, no guy ever says anything about a female beyond "she is stunning". Thats cute. A lot of guys I know speak a little more aggressive at times.
Again, not defending trump. I cant stand the man. But I cant honestly convict him based on his words in a private setting with a bunch of other guys.
He could be a serial sex offender for all I know. But based on this one audio, I wont come to that conclusion.
Guess what? We dont agree. SHOCKING! Such is life. Some people will agree with you and some people wont. Dont get so upset over it. It doesnt really matter in the long run.
nice selective dictionary definition.
To be clear, Trump claims that he grabs women's genitals and that he can do it because he's famous.
A woman accused him of doing exactly that 8 years prior in a lawsuit.
"But based on this one audio, I wont come to that conclusion."
Fine. But that falls apart when he'd been previously accused about doing that exact same thing.
"no guy ever says anything about a female beyond 'she is stunning'"
I've never said anything like that. No one I know has every bragged about sexually assaulting someone.
Apparently, that's normal in your circle.
here's locker room talk I'm used to, "man she's got great tits" or "i would love to f her"
if I ever heard, "I just molest them, they let me because I'm the star" I don't think that would go over well with my teammates
And yes, you are defending him by trying to normalize what he said as typical "locker room talk".
Bragging about groping isn't normal, even if it is among your friends.
That normalization is basically validating "rape culture".
Be careful. You wouldnt want to hurt yourself with that stretch.
"You get so worked up. LOL!"
Damn right I do about this. Sexual assault exams are one of my least favorite things to do. Sadly, it happens too often. Perhaps because of ####s that normalize this type of stuff.
Sexual assault is horrible. A crime that should be prosecuted vigorously. Talking #### isnt. Get over yourself. Or get a different job. (or at least some friends)
It's not a stretch by any means.
"Rape Culture is an environment in which rape is prevalent and in which sexual violence against women is normalized and excused in the media and popular culture."
You are both normalizing Trumps words (compared to things you do with your friends) and excusing it.
Guys talk crap. Ive heard the rude "complements" and ive heard guys say theyve grabbed girls asses. Ive heard them say girls have grabbed their dicks too. Ive never heard a guy brag about rape.
Technically grabbing an ass (or a dick) is a crime. At the average club, half of the guys would go to jail if we want to get serious about this horrendous crime. A few chicks would go too.
Finally an answer. Guys talking crap is not under debate, so stop bringing it up as if it's an answer. We're talking about actions taken.
So your friends brag about grabbing ass. Is that anywhere near the same level as Trump bragging that he grabs women's genitals?
The pageant story I mentioned earlier.
This is the creep you are defending.
Grabbing ass is sexual assault. Motor boarding is sexual assault. Both discussed regularly by guys all over this country. Should we put them all in jail?
Guys talk crap. It's what we, as humans, do. I don't know why you're insisting on defending trumps actions. What he said was stupid. Guys say stupid things.
Since you're so dead set on him being guilty of a crime, do you think he should be charged?
I'm not defending anyone. Just saying that guys do talk about groping women when they get together. Not every guy. Not every time guys get together. But it happens. And most of the sexual escapades guys share among guys
Are bull####. Made up to make them feel better. Normal guys know this and understand this. That's why you don't.
"Grabbing ass is sexual assault. Motor boarding is sexual assault."
3 mph over the limit is speeding. So is 50 mph over. There is a difference in degree.
Both are wrong, but are you saying that grabbing ass is on the same level of severity as grabbing someone's genitals?
Sharing sexcapades is one thing. Bragging about groping a woman is another. They are not the same thing.
"Made up to make them feel better."
So your friends make up stories about groping women to make them feel better.
You have some really messed up friends.
At least I have friends.
"I'm not defending anyone. Just saying that guys do talk about groping women when they get together."
I don't doubt that some do, including your horrible friends. That doesn't make it normal by any stretch.
"At least I have friends."
You keep coming back to this pathetic attack, yet you know nothing about me.
Normal according to you. You are the final judge on what is normal and what isnt normal. Thank you oh wise one. LMAO!
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure society frowns upon groping women.
That would extend to bragging about groping women.
I know quite a bit about you.
But I asked before, Should Trump be criminally charged?
I'm sure you do. I gave you my employer a few months ago, I'm sure you dug away.
20 years later? Probably beyond the SOL.
Should Trump be criminally charged?
I'm surprised he wasn't then.
why hasn't Hillary been charged?
Skal, I'm not. Hard to win cases. He said she said. Juries cant use your "which political party does he belong to" standard to determine guilt.
Why hasn't hillary been charged with what?
Treason, Tampering with a Victim, etc
They have to be proven. I dont know any specifics on any case that I could say she should be charged with anything. Maybe you do. ??
"Juries cant use your "which political party does he belong to" standard to determine guilt."
I've never heard of such a standard.
Charges don't have to be proven, that's what a trial is for. It was pretty obvious that she was intentionally careless with classified information. There is also significant hearsay and circumstantial evidence that she bullied her husband's
victims into silence
He said/she said to an extent. Some of this was purported to have happened in public under the table where he was getting handsy. There may have been witnesses.
the woman herself should be believed..... heard something like that a couple months back..... now who said that????
there is no he said/she said concerning the emails and classified material,,,, she fùcking did it and knowingly broke the law.
the only reason she's not in jail is Obama paid her back for dropping out in 2008