I hear never forget 9/11, The Holocaust, and the attack on Pearl Harbor, but it's time for us to forget or get over 400 years of Slavery. "REALLY"
@ 10 months ago
Killeen, TX 76543, USA
You forgot the Trail of Tears and the Heart of Darkness
@ 10 months ago
Villa Park, IL, USA
I never heard anyone say get over the Trail of Tears, but they were paid hush money. Heart of Darkness really should have kept his azz in Europe.
@ 10 months ago
if you weren't a slave, ,,,, there are still "slaves" actively, care to guess where & who the masters are?
What have YOU done or doing about that?
like Kaepernick, you're going to protest this country, because you're "safe", no threat to you.
@ 10 months ago
Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA
protest is a form of patriotism, is it not?
@ 10 months ago
Cerritos, CA, USA
I agree with you on the slavery thing, though. Is slavery around the world a large issue in your community, bhaven?
I mean modern slavery.
you are supposed to remember slavery and the trail of tears to make sure it doesnt happen again, and in doing so know how it got there, and who the perpetrators were.
@ 10 months ago
slavery isnt the reason that darnell washington cant get a job, but people like h20 arent supposed to complain when someone reminds him that his great grandfather owned people and felt that was perfectly fine.
which is actually where a lot of the debate comes from, those 2 positions.
Not to h2o white supremacist mindset. Anytime negativity is being pointed out about this country, you must hate it. Wrong is the love so it will do better.
so that's why they're killing each other and burning down their own neighborhoods. Okay what should we give them? about plane tickets and their own country to fix?
ask any American descendants of slaves and ask them if they wished slavery never
@ 10 months ago
North Royalton, OH 44133, USA
Underwater is there a holocaust in your community? Still didn't address the topic. Never forget 9/11, but get over slavery already. Why?
happened and they were back in their happy Homeland .
some people had to pay to get into America and that was the slavery of their ancestors .
not my fault my brotha but at least you're not burning down in my neighborhood and I'm smart enough to stay
out of yours unless of course I'm looking for some illegal activity
bmoron & Adam both believe this country has been and continues to be the "Great Satan".
America invented Slavery
America invented War & spoils
America has not, nor never will change as long as a democracy survives.
The only true country, that people can do anything except work and fight is a strict & powerful liberal utopia.
they look back hundreds of years to justify their hatred for this country and its government.
Yes the evil white man destroyed this world, for the past centuries .
let's ignore the fact, Black men, captured and sold most slaves, and continue today.
let's ignore the fact "Spanish", destroyed, murdered, robbed and enslaved the majority of South and Central America (including Mexico)
I'm just wondering if we don't eradicate the white man in this country, what they're going to do.
leave and go to another country that doesn't have an aggressive or brutal historical past?
Their so called homelands?
Perpetrators of slavery like some of the various tribes in Africa who sold other tribes to the Europeans? Seriously, why are they never ever in the picture?
@ 10 months ago
Midtown, New York, NY
Also I'd like to point out the difference with how we remember Pearl Harbor vs 9/11. It isn't just because Pearl Harbor was a long time ago.. Those forces are extinguished... There is no Axis Japan anymore.
But we still got the kinda ideology... the one that Dems are so shy about saying and the one Republicans are just a little too obsessed with saying ... Radical Islamic Terrorism. Still a threat today.
Slavery, that also still exists but not in America. Remember, but yeah get the fúck over it. Better off lookin at the legacy of Jim Crow etc.
Let's also not forget... Some free Blacks in the US were slaveholders themselves. http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/03/black_slave_owners_did_they_exist/
Written by Obama's Harvard buddy who went apeshít on the cop just doing his job. It's a great article though.
so caucasians fought and died to free black slaves from black people and we have to listen to this shìt?
Strongsville, OH, USA
all this white self pity still hasn't address the question. I love how they try to justify it by blaming the people of Africa, or the people being oppress for the action of the oppressors. The Germans blaming the Jews for walking in the gas in
chambers, whenever the subject is the topic of discussion. Slavery as an institution might've ended in 1865, but the white supremacy mindset has been taught throughout the generation. White people can celebrate and conduct reenactment of them
getting their azz kicked all across the south, but African American must forget the reason the south fought for "State right's" or the right to own 3/5 humans as livestock.
When a person of color speaks about the faults of the country, they hate the U.S., they should leave. But when the orange Cheeto with bad hair said it he win the nomination for a major political party for President. Drew there isn't radical Islam
they are just radical. People that truly follows a faith wouldn't kill fellow worshippers on the holiest month.
hysteria do you mean the U.S., because America is the Continent. Just Kenya is a country in the Continent of Africa.
Nobody is trying to "justify' it by blaming it on Africa, but the African side of the equation is barely mentioned.
Sunnyside, Queens, NY
B, the terrorists don't care when they kill "fellow Muslims', they don't see them that way, to the radicals, it's the "wrong kinda islam'. Their way is considered the only 'true' way, everyone else is pretty much an infidel
Otherwise are you gonna say the Sunni vs Shiite violence is also not religious because both are types of Islam?
strange ... all white americans (greatest Nazies today's time) ... advocate slavery and demonize Hitler
@ 10 months ago
Nazies! oh my God that's funny
drew, because it doesn't really matter.
because its not about the actions of the villains, villains are villains. its about the actions of the people who said they were good.
if h20 buys a child for sex we of course know the seller is the problem, but does that mean h20 is let off the hook? no, you throw the book at him.
taking a black and white approach to it is like saying, oh the native tribes sold manhattan to us for beads, I don't know what theyre complaining about.
You wished you are Nazis, but you white American idiot is missing the historic!
I feel for you @Bhaven87 ####!
Adam, I do believe you're the one that wears an orange jumpsuit.
now I worry about you being alone with that anchor kid.
Trump, actually got you right. That's why your scared, isn't it?
Not a white or black thing at all, and that was exactly my point. It's far more complicated than that and I think it's important to appreciate that. *Buyer* and *Seller* stay on the hook.
Sayville, NY, USA
Re Radical Islamic Terrorism: I think it's an accurate description. Any time someone declares war in the name of their god, it's religious terrorism...don't care of it's in the name of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
@ 10 months ago
Lakeland, MN 55043, USA
So like some sects of Christians of ancient times, some Islamic groups are attempting an inquisition to cleanse the world of evil. So it seems to me that Islamic Terrorism is a real thing.
I can't figure out why the squeamish attitude about using these words, frankly. Clearly this is a religious war in the eyes of the perpetrators. Why not call it what it is?
I don't think the Manhattan analogy is a good one either, slave traders knew they were trading slaves. Not sure American Indians knew they were selling land *ownership* rights rather than land usage rights.
And Drew, most religions will teach you that if you don't believe their religion you are bad, an infidel, you're going to hell...whatever super spooky thing they dream up.
you can see where disturbed individuals could take that sort of thing to its ultimate endpoint...most religions have ample room for that level of reality distortion.
Another article I thought was good by Gates. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2010/04/23/opinion/23gates.html
I'm curious as to why liberals kiss Muslims asses
their beliefs differ more than slightly as far as gay rights
some treat their women worse than dogs while others allow it and what else? I don't know. so that's that Muslims treat women like dogs
Middleburg Heights, OH, USA
and they don't like homos
Hindus don't consider the pursuit of wealth a sin
here is a great video of Muslims torturing dogs to death
Allah fick dich
I don't think it's that Dems love Muslims per se, it's that they think the other side maligns them by treating all Muslims as terrorists...which is somewhat true or very true. Dems in mn have said we shouldn't vilify an entire religion.
So I think they go out of their way to emphasize that Muslims, per se, are not our enemy.
Also I think Dems feel that we need support from the Muslim community to help address radicalized Muslims.
I agree with both of these ideas. Glad to support that thinking. Dems have the right idea on this issue, I believe.
I'm not sure there is much the Muslim community in America can do to help combat terrorism. You're either a part of it or you're not. Those that are would never speak.
Those that are not would likely never know. There isn't some secret code of silence. All the Muslims I know lead lives similar to anyone else. Work, eat, sleep, play, repeat
They all think terrorists are crazy, the Iraq War was a disaster, and that Israel is an oppressive state. I certainly have my differences with them, but those differences are no more than a civil understanding
The key way to defeating terrorism is to elect someone who will take away their reason to be angry
Hint: That isn't going to be Trump or Hillary
Disagree that the Muslim community in the U.S.couldn't do much to help this situation. I think the opposite: they could be extremely valuable in terms of connections that count in education and eliminating terrorist potential within the U.S.
Education of folks from their homelands...a sort of peaceful outreach regarding life in the U.S., delivered by recent immigrants. Elimination of at least some threats that way, but potentially building alliances that lead to the outing of terrorist
threats by sympathetic people.
Just because they are Muslim doesn't mean they are part of that world.
They have just as much of a chance of being helpful as you or me
And if they are connected then they are already part of it and would likely not betray their
Us asking nicely won't change that
I also think electing POTUS is significant in that if we stop meddling endlessly in so-called "nation building" we would be better off as a member of the global community. Which we all are now thanks to the internet.
except for the communist regimes that severely limit internet access
you hit the nail on the head Doc, libs love what pugs hate- BUT
libs exaggerate the pugs position which is cool,its their job-BUT
its the A HOLES who believe them !!
present company Yada Yada
I say this-
if it's ok for libs to so openly call cons
Im just wondering ..
the libs cause this or is it just in their nature cuz this happens ALOT from young black people
Wow, Treat a race of people worst than livestock for over 450 Years, and when a few act like animals, the oppressors wonders why.
The Jews were treated like livestock for about a thousand years or so and now they own everything
Addison, IL, USA
Which the Palestine Jew from the Middle East\ Africa or the fake European. You know Jesus was a Palestinian Jew.
that's in the past B and those kids were never treated like livestock what's their children's excuse when does it end
Eaton Township, OH, USA
When Police brutality ends on people of color, when the white supremacy mentality ends. When white privilege ends in criminal justice system.
AMI, I disagree. I think a Somali immigrants would be more successful in any positive outreach. Not alone of course, I mean working with local FBI etc. to groom contacts.
Syrian you mean?
haven, are you a religious man?
FBI not the right one. Maybe local police. Anyway the end goal can be twofold: educate in a positive way, and maybe get some valuable intel at some point too.
Sure, earn your temporary visa by providing useful Intel, let's see how many agree to or have any
yeah, not only would I doubt the veracity of any information given for such a prize I would also not trust the long time goals of such men.
looks like those kind of kids are gonna be burning and beating old ladies forever- And smart people know it's gonna get worse :-)--<
Ami, religious enough to know that fake blue eyes, blonde hair image, wasn't hide out among the people on the continent of Africa.
Harker Heights, TX, USA
ah yeah..... ok
(1 trick pony)
@ 10 months ago
ami, Somali. Significant source of ISIS recruits in this area. But that isn't intended to exclude eg Syrian refugees etc.
I would trust info gained from friendly alliances much more than anything gained from use of force. That just makes sense.
regarding temp visas, why not get something for those of we can. It's not as if we place any sort of real control over those anyway.
I believe that most illegal aliens have that status due to such visas expiring.
If you are protesting illegal immigration here, that's the place to start: enforce those expired visas. But that wasn't the topic.
Immigrant populations from the areas where ISIS has a serious foothold can offer serious help. And that help would in turn help build goodwill with less-recent immigrants (that is, most citizens of the U.S.).
ah yes, I totally forgot about the influx of Somali immigrants there
It is an interesting example of what happens when you do not take the proper steps towards helping immigrants assimilate (language, customs, etc)
that is true ami. But think of the potential there for positive change. they are here, available, and often in need of help to assimilate. Help them and they might help us.
of course, but we have to slap around the morons who think it would be oppressive to promote something that I would think be common sense
and we have to be brutally honest with immigrants that if they come here, they must learn and adapt, if they do not then they will be deported
That last statement makes no sense. To what law are you referring?
What do you mean by "learn and adapt"? We already have a requirement for obtaining citizenship that involves at least learning. But otherwise, not so much.
this is like Trump's ridiculous notion of a philosophical test to enter the U.S. What philosophies will be tested, what answers are acceptable...And who decides what people are ok to enter? Stupid, stupid idea.
You seem to propose some sort of nebulous requirement, judgment of which can result in deportation (not a trivial consequence). Really?
To be constitutional, a law must be sufficiently definite to provide citizens with notice of what is allowed and prohibited. Look into "unconstitutionally vague" a bit and tell me how well you think eg the Trump idea would work.
shouldn't learning English be one? having a common language is key to cultural cohesiveness, strength, and stability
lately, a popular use of this legal theory is to strike down local dog barking ordinances which often say stuff like "if the barking is an annoyance" etc. Who decides what's annoying? Unconstitutionally vague.
Now our local ordinances say the dog must bark continuously for 20 minutes or more. That's good notice of what's legal and what's not.
the goal of immigration should not be to create a divided microcosm of the planet, but to definitively prove e pluribus unum
I'm not for a test that keeps them out (other than an intelligence cross check for known violence or violent connections), I am for taking steps to build a more unified America
I don't care what religion, color, you are....i only care that you intend to be part of this American community and not just in it
yeah well so we can agree that taking steps to help assimilate those who are here legally is a good thing. I merely propose that we take another step further and see if we can exploit the resulting goodwill to obtain info useful to ward off or
Assimilation should be viewed as a benefit, available in the form of assistance easy to obtain here. it should not be wielded as a sword to cut down those who are less successfully integrated.
As to the latter, see the Republican Party, and in particular their recent morphological form, the White Nationalist Party.
it's a complex problem, one that doesn't lend itself to discussion within this format, but I definitely think we have common ground on this... as always the devil is in the details
ami just be clear: the degree of assimilation you think is appropriate is only your opinion. It carries absolutely no weight at all to anyone other than you.
Also with respect to the personal intent of immigrants. Your opinion, only. If others agree that's their opinion. No one needs to comply.
Quite ironic that in the land that so advocates the virtues of free thought and free speech, sometime such as yourself would expect, maybe require, others to think a certain way. Hypocrite much?
someone, not sometime
let's bring some of these people to the United States
speak or learn English, be educated and/ or be productive, don't be a criminal or have ties to a criminal organization, that's all I ask, common sense
Your common sense is not the requirement, ami. just remember that next time you look down on someone not speaking English, which I bet you do.
You're a citizen and even you are not required to know or speak English.
the rest of it falls under the heading of "stuff we should all do/not do". Your opinion is fine until you judge sometime for not meeting your personal requirements.
someone not sometime dammit
Others, including me, have no obligation to live up to your standards, no matter what they are. I could quit my job, give away all the money, and live
off handouts if I want. I could speak nothing but Russian if I want.
and pay your female employees less than the men?
and vote Democrat
how about frack your own land
that, not necessarily pink. Depends on who owns the mineral rights, which I suspect you know.
What about the Ricans, they speak Spanish, that's the main language there, and they are citizens by law. I guess PR is sorta a special case though.
Yorkville, New York, NY
is there such a thing as a national language in the U.S.?
No, and neither should there be, but English is the common language on the global stage. The more bilingual English speaking residents we have here, the stronger we are
the international language changes. it used to be French. I agree with your last sentence. being multilingual is an asset to anyone / everyone.
Beverly Hills, CA, USA
I guess the question becomes then; are there enough people who are willing to pay do that citizens are fluent in at least two languages?
When was it French?
The only was the common language changes now is if China starts to conquer large geographic areas
oh yes the French , a filthy people
Spanish, Chinese (Mandarin), and English are the languages to know if you want to talk to the world, imo. Chinese more for business purposes; Spanish for the common man, and English for all the above. Given the difficulty we have with different
alphanumeric systems, most U.S.citizens don't learn any Mandarin unless they really need to for their business.
Anyway you guys seriously, there is no national language, never has been. Free speech includes speaking whatever East Buttfúck language you want to speak, bitches.
you might encounter difficulties due to no one else speaking East Buttfúck, and no agency providing forms in East Buttfúck for you to complete e.g. tax related requirements.
butt, it's such an exciting dialect
such as: Obama like to butt fùck bmoron
is that pronounced fook?
Naperville, IL, USA
we need male Caucasians back in charge to get the world back on track again
That's the problem male Caucasians is the reason things are so f-ed up.
and that's why African-American neighborhoods are so safe, got it.
have you seen the rape statistics in South Africa? Can we at least agree that Caucasians prevent rape?
sm fúcking h
Stillwater, MN 55082, USA
I'm telling you, they're the same person, the result of some strange Frankenstein medical experiment
What's sad is the MLK Jr Boulevard, Street, Road, Driveway, Parkway etc..in any random American city. This is almost always a higher crime. That's just fvcked to me.
Yeah, any street named after a prominent black American is a sign you are likely in a bad neighborhood. Astute observation right there Drew.
Hey, Chris Rock said it himself.
What makes that sad, drew?
and is it real?
Well yeah it's a real phenomenon.
MLK Boulevard in Cleveland is beautiful but that's Cleveland, that's where the Republicans held their convention
i guess they do have a sense of humor after all.