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According to Bill O'Reilly BLM is a terrorist group, doesn't that make the Tea Party a terrorist group also.

Bhaven87 @ 10 months ago

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why don't you post a few videos of tea party members beating people and breaking glass? oh you can't? then no the tea party is not a terrorist group like BLM

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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http://cbs12.com/news/nation-world/photos-damage-at-the-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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that's the best you can do and still you hate these people so much?You see nothing wrong with that?

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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i dont anymore

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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we're screwed the whole world is screwed mankind is screwed. at least Clinton does not hate America like Barack Obama so the left is moving forward hope you guys learned your lesson

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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why do you think its perfectly acceptable to pretend to be genuine and then revert back to a cartoon?

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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you think I sounded genuine? Like having a genuine conversation with you guys?no this is sarcasm total sarcasm

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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He said "pretend". pay attention, or take another pill! :-)

UndrWater @ 10 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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that kid could always read my tell,smart Verrry smart. how you been? Check out Poverty Inc . on Netflix na na na na Netflix Guns And Roses

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Even Newt Gingrich gets it, come on O'Reilly. http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-updates-1468001199-htmlstory.html

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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https://youtu.be/SwoKlyiiL4E

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 10 months ago

Medina Township, OH 44256, USA

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I Googled black lives matter is a terrorist group by Bill O'Reilly and came up with nothing perhaps somebody could enlighten us and post a link?

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 10 months ago

Medina Township, OH 44256, USA

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they're basically the black KKK right?

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 10 months ago

Medina Township, OH 44256, USA

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the one group least likely to understand being black in America, Caucasian women

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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they know what it's like to be a child but not a black

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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bill o reilly never said it, thats why.

[412035] @ 10 months ago

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https://youtu.be/-9NayXcgHZc

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Pink, I get that I don't get it, and I get that I'll never get it. That's the best I can do. If you have a suggestion that will help me do better, I'm open to it.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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why would you want to?

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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she actually fantasize's about you

H2O @ 10 months ago

Fort Belvoir, VA, USA

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I know what she likes

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 10 months ago

North Royalton, OH 44133, USA

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That's no great accomplishment.

Taco Bowl @ 10 months ago

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I don't think so https://youtu.be/mQ_k_VG6Syc

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 10 months ago

North Royalton, OH 44133, USA

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I used to fantasize about Pink then he told us about his tiny dick. Now I just think "dog dick", that is, the small, slimy pink dick that male dogs hide in that fur envelope...always falls out when they sit in the car, and it slimes the car seat.

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Though it's funny when the black leather car seats get hot...The dog jumps up pretty quick once their little pinky touches the burning hot leather!!

Dr. Evil @ 10 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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that's why they call them MAN's best friend https://youtu.be/FYy9LysXANI

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 10 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Bill O'Reilly is an idiot!

FreedomFighter @ 9 months ago

Tamarac, FL, USA

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let's see, fighter.. Cry baby hates white people 1% chance a descendant of slaves blames all woes on others ... let me take a well-educated guess . African American right?

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

North Royalton, OH 44133, USA

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yeah, but Bill is an idiot

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Pink, "blames all woes on others..." hmm...

UndrWater @ 9 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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oh I'm just poking at him cut it out

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

North Royalton, OH 44133, USA

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him :-) there's one gutsy assumption

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

North Royalton, OH 44133, USA

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Tea Party at least kept their rallies pretty clean. Cleaned up trash and shít. Ironically the Dem gatherings are always trashfests and these are the same people so worried about the planet.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Kips Bay, New York, NY

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got that right and they dare to point the hypocrite finger at their hated opponents https://youtu.be/BZCWFBJ1nwA

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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White supremacists are pretty metrosexual, I've heard Drew. I'd expect neatness from that crowd lol.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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link?

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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https://goo.gl/images/eLevJk https://goo.gl/images/yGwChE https://goo.gl/images/Apwks3

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Come on, you must admit I have a point.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Why can't BLM accept the Federal Government's findings regarding Michael Brown?

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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"Hands up, Don't Shoot", slogan would no longer work . Besides if POTUS doesn't accept it, why should they? .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Fort Belvoir, VA, USA

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the hands up, don't shoot campaign was shameful and embarrassing....but so is shooting a kid in a park playing with a toy gun I'm not sure what the answer is, but I do know the current relationship between cops and black communities is one that

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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requires significant change

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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ami not just the current. that relationship has never been healthy. also it isn't hasn't and has never been about one issue. it's the overall treatment of blacks by cops.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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they dont accept the micheal brown thing because as we have seen with other events (the kid getting shot in the park, the guy trying to help the autistic kid, etc.) what the police say happen isn't what always happened. to say why don't they just

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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yes, I wasn't born yesterday lol, I could have left "current" out and it would have made sense

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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accept that explanation is saying that issue exist in a bubble and is cherry picking the event you feel discredits their beef. So I counter your why don't they accept what the fbi said about Brown with, why don't other folks accept what the fbi said

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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about how the entire police department treated blacks in Ferguson. there is a report about that as well, and that should shed light on why blm wouldn't accept the federal government findings regarding brown.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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especially given the government decided no charges in the Tamir Rice case among others.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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but for real change to happen the situation needs to be treated with a greater level of nuance on both sides....

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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true

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

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look what the police commissioner did in Richmond, Ca..

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

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The approach taken reduced crime there by over 30% in 10 years. it's still a high crime area, but each year progress is being made

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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and no police or civilian shooting in that time.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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also trust between the community and police is growing. it is somewhat of a blueprint

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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so why is no one talking about it??

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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not a ratings builder..It's the same as all the marches, bbqs, programs etc. to combat gang (black on black) violence. our media is there to make money and that doesn't sell.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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there was also the planned blm protest that turned into a police/ community bbq. it got a little pub, but should have become a thing between police and blm in many more places.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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you would think that strategies with proven results would be looked at and used other places, but it seems like that commissioner gets it at the base level and some can't get pass the idea that you have to police high crime areas with an iron fist.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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I think it goes deeper than media profits

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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as far as the community goes people have to realize that of you take a combative role with the police they have no choice but to respond in kind. As any human would continuing interactions like that cause you to expect that and make interactions

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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that have no need to be hostile escalate quickly. the police have a hard job and need to community to help out in some self policing/ helping to identify the true criminals among them. the community needs the police to maintain law, but also need to

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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trust that they are there to help the community not be the enemy.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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of course its deeper than media profits, I just mean if we are expecting the american media to get out the word on things like this we can hang that up. it ain't gonna happen and we should stop expecting it to.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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on a wider scale its both sides only looking for things to validate their pre conceived notions about the other. Also while police are feeling wronged (rightfully so) by continuously being vilified to the public and looked at as all being bad,

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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that has been the norm for especially black males forever. the bad always on display as if most are bad.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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BLM seems to treat every police vs black man/woman incident the same and that's my problem with them. I don't know why they can't accept the findings in *both* reports.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Not to mention the 'what do we want, dead cops' chant by some of them at Union Square.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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https://youtu.be/dj4ARsxrZh8

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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How's Ferguson looking now?

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

BLM needs to pick its battles the same as the feminists do instead of say Mattress Girl, Duke Lacrosse, and that U.VA girl with the fantasy boyfriend.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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And then you got the hangers on who think they are "helping" like Mosby but who really end up making things worse, she overcharged based on politics, didn't have the evidence for it and everything got thrown out.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Why should they Drew, the DOJ conduct a completely new investigation or used the old bias material from the pro LEO District Attorney.

Bhaven87 @ 9 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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and material from a pro BLM DA would somehow be less biased

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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If it was a pro BLM DA involved it might have been a fair investigation. That listen to all the witness's testimonies and let the grand jury decide on their merit.

Bhaven87 @ 9 months ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Like Marrilyn Mosby did

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Marilyn Mosby, Balitimore.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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drew do you believe that blacks in general have a legitimate beef with how they are being and have been treated by law enforcement and the judicial system?

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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Yes I do, I think BLM is a flawed messenger.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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the messenger will always be flawed. occupy wallstreet. the black panthers. on down the line. in his day even mlk was looked at as flawed. so if not blm, at this time who will be the messenger?

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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there have been approaching 5000 blm protest. as far as a flawed messenger they could have stacked up a lot more trouble than they are.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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the higher-level question to be answered is should any group be judged by their worst element

AMI @ 9 months ago

Addison, IL, USA

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of they were not speaking up right now would these issues even be on the American consciousness right now?

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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That's a good point. However, I think BLM suffers from OJ Simpson supporter syndrome.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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And I think it gives them some credibility issues.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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while they might not be the perfect messenger they could be worse. not continuously violent. no frequent destruction of property etc. with hot button issues like the ones they center around, imo they could be much worse.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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There needs to be this kinda thing within the movement. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/03/16/lesson-learned-from-the-shooting-of-michael-brown/

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Could be worse is not an excuse for let's make it better.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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oj simpson supporter issues? meaning they want a win, anyway they can get it? the oj verdict and blacks in general celebrating had as much if not more to do with the outcome of other verdicts. that would be a similar parallel though. as the police

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Yeah you nailed it, that's exactly what I meant. We want a win, damn the specifics.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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shootings they are protesting have roots in many other things than those specific shootings. i can see how like being connected to oj, the more they can be connected to events that don't really hold water with what they are protesting can, does, and

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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will continue to mute their message. but i think those who dont want to hear it aren't going to hear it anyway and are just looking for a way to discredit quickly.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Yeah that's what I meant. Stop connecting to events that don't hold water and go after stuff that actually does. And admit when wrong like Capeheart.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

true..they should have let go of Micheal Brown rhetoric and focused on the systemic issues. continuing to focus on him put the real issues on the back burner.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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And forget about those who don't wanna hear it, that's not the problem. The problem is people who are/would be sympathetic, but then note the credibility problem and turns them off.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I think it's actually weird because we hear the least about the cut and dry incidents from them.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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it does seem like more positive interactions have been happening within the movement and with police involved. Of course those aren't going to get near the attention burning cvs stores and police in riot gear will get

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Yeah I think it's gotten a bit better too actually. This unfortunately might have been the result of the cop attacks esp the one during the march.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

yes. unfortunately it took cops being killed for people to say wait a minute all of this is crazy. It probably helped blm from the standpoint that the shooters were not affiliated with the group, and the group itself has seems to take a much softer

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

The shooter was shooting at cops helping to escort BLM and making sure stuff didn't get out of hand and people were able to exercise right to free speech.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

approach on harming police officers. as crazy as this has all been I still firmly believe it is a positive and will move a lot of issues forward a lot faster than otherwise would have happened. the Donald Trump campaign I think will help too.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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I'm scared something Brexitty can happen and we *get* President Donald.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Hillary is a smart woman and it's like every turn she sabotages herself.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

the sooner we get all our crazy out there on display the sooner the majority can tell them they are nuts. that goes for these crazy ass, f whitey, true meanimg of the words ignorant thug blacks as well.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

What do you think of Hillary, Don... Don't compare with Trump cuz that's not really fair.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

she has just been in politics too long. surprised this is all they got. look at what a man has to do to get where she is politically, I can only imagine what she has had to do. don't make it right, but I understand.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Biden has been in politics for a long time without most of those antics.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

i liked Bernie. if Mitt was running this year I might consider him. i don't think Hillary is this terrible person, i just think she is beholden to the global elite and will continue on that path. o had an outside hope Bernie could break that up.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

I don't think anything tragic will happen during her presidency if she wins, i just think so much will be focused on her personal issues that real issues won't get discussed

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Mitt lookin so good now.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

yeah...Biden doesn't seem to want the spotlight though. he hasn't been in it nearly as long as Hilary.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

with it being known she was going to make a strong presidential run.at some point she has been in the spotlight a long long time.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

mitt chose the wrong election

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

He's like the paragon of virtue against what's around now.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Plus he called some of the developments abroad before it happened,..... Unlike moron Trump who has no idea what's happening nor does he want to educate himself

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

"the higher-level question to be answered is should any group be judged by their worst element" Does that include the police?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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of course, it was a question with no angle

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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that's why I used the word "any"

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Is the prevailing thought that the Police are judging the AA community by their worst element and that the AA community is doing the same for the Police?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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that could be one direction, yes

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I do believe that's what we all do when we judge isn't it? might be time for we all to look at ourselves

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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look at the man in the mirror?

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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or we could take our clothes off look at each other ..☆ whichever makes you more comfortable

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Ive said it a million times and Ill say it a million more. There are bad police. There are police officers who are racists. Just not as much as those like BLM believe.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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well I believe you taco and what I see of AMI he has a sturdy grip on things

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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I don't think you know what any one individual thinks. blm is not a single minded entity. Just like "police" are not a single entity, which you clearly recognize, blm is made up of individuals. Some act badly. Most do not.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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You don't get to have it both ways plc. Individualizing the police while lumping blm into a single entity category shows your bias. Oopsie.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Anyway, I have no idea how much "as much as those like blm believe" is or how one could possible determine that. Do you know the answer plc?

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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I never individualized the Police. I said the incidents that the BLM are speaking out against dont happen as often as they believe. How do we determine? Look at the incidents they are rallying behind.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Louisiana, NY, Ferguson, Minnesota, Baltimore to name a few. Just because the BLM say the police acted inappropriately, it doesn't male it so. Most, if not all were justified.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Justified according to the law. If you want to change the law, thats another discussion. What would you change? allow certain groups the right to kill Police Officers because of perceived injustices?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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not perceived, anytime a black man is killed, by a cop, BLM should get a free pass on shooting 3 white cops. . that's only fair

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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I honestly don't understand what they want to change? Do they want to eliminate hate? Not gonna happen. Eliminate bias? Not gonna happen. Stop black men from getting killed? Not gonna happen.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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What changes in the law would prevent another Mike Brown?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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thats a bit extreme h20, how about 1 for 1?

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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if the police officer who shot tamir rice was in prison for life for the murder police officers would have consequences. right now you rush to defend every single one, youre just a hack, but the law falls on their side

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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soo, because the law was designed to protect them.

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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you use mostly justifiable shootings to support yourself but every time a completely innocent person is shot you shrug your shoulders and say "oh well, #### happens."

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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meanwhile every time a cop dies you blame BLM.

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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you have no ####ing connection with reality. you are almost as bad as h20.

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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i hope your husband comes home to you tonight though.

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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if Tamir Rice were properly supervised, he'd be alive. That's the brutal truth. The kind you don't like. The police officer didn't kill that kid for no reason. He saw a gun and reacted.Tragedy doesn't always equal crime

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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The law is not designed to defend the police it's designed to defend society. But I'm sure you know that already.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I'm using the cases the BLM is yelling the loudest about. Remember that case where the unarmed black guy was killed for no reason? It's rare but it happens. Rarely. Unfortunately.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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If a cop is wrong I'll say so. I have no problem with that. I've never said "oh well". But I k ow honesty isn't your strong suit.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Not every cop killing is BLM related. I've never claimed that. But again, you and honesty seem to be strangers.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I hope Traven comes home safe every night. And I'm sure you wish your manly wife didn't come home sometimes. Talk about regret. Whew!

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I'll ask again, what law changes would you recommend? What would make sure another Tamir Rice doesn't happen again?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Mandatory parenting classes? Common sense 101?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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the officer saw a gun?

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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No. He saw an opportunity to take out a black. So he just shot. Without seeing anything. His eyes were closed.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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ok plc. Clearly you didn't understand what I said. It's ok, it's more complicated than you thought. Difficult for you, sorry.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Yes you individualized the cops. Twice.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Please explain Lori,

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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When I say the the police do not do what BLM claims they do, how is that individualizing the police?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I dunno if BLM does it anymore but I remember when they'd harass random white students (who'd probably be on their side otherwise) studying at university libraries.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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They'd then go around to restaurants harassing diners and servers eating there. And the most bizarre part of that exercise was they'd often do it in very liberal neighborhoods. Wtf does disrupting random people's brunch do?

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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At least I haven't heard *too* much about dumb tactics like that anymore.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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I think in an effort to further the alienation and anger of their youths they are now calling themselves ○The 13%○

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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plc to paraphrase, you said some cops behave badly but most do not. True. This individualizes the cops behavior and recognizes the folly of lumping them together as a single group. I agree with that, 100%.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Then in the same post, you say that not as many cops behave badly as blm believes to be true. Quantification issues with that statement aside, it lumps all blm supporters or members into a single group.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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You must recognize that this constitutes bias. Some blm supporters or protesters certainly have an over the top idea about the extent of bad policing, since the topic is very emotionally charged. But I am sure some of them are quite reasonably

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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shocked at recent events and feel the need to have their voices heard in protest. They don't imagine conspiracies or cultures of cop discrimination, but seek to call attention to grave injustices.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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It's folly to paint one group with a broad brush while affording another with the benefit of individual assessment.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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The basis of BLM is bad policing. Not just a few. Thats what the movement is about. A corrupt system that targets blacks while protecting law enforcement.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Youre trying to detract from what BLM is. Its not about bad service at restaurants. its not about working conditions. Its about the perceived injustices in the criminal justice system.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Organizing and marching about it doesnt make it true.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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The Police, on the other hand exist to enforce the laws. Which they do. A few go astray and do bad things but thats not what the police are about.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Are you confused about BLM and what they stand for?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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But I keep asking. What law changes would address the issues they raise? Seems like nobody can answer that.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I'm worried the new police chief is gonna kowtow to the worse elements of DeBlasio admin. Hopefully this doesn't happen.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Hes not that kind of person. Im surprised he took the job. It might be interesting.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I'll be keeping an eye on the Sharpton types, if they still get angry that the new guy is "just as bad" as the old one... Then I'll feel better.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Midtown, New York, NY

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

you mean like a law forcing the parents of these Predator children to be more responsible? good idea! reduce the need for such a police presence in the neighborhood ..., incredible

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

North Royalton, OH 44133, USA

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So clearly you don't understand the point plc. No problem, I didn't expect you would. What laws would have to made to achieve blm goals? None of which I'm aware. But then I don't think the goal is to pass a new law, is it?

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Ive told you what I believe their goal is. You disagree. thats fine. Please tell me, what is their goal? What do you believe their goal is? What are they protesting?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I wonder how they feel about body cameras. What do you think?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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she said their goal is to bring attention to a grave injustice

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Richfield, OH 44286, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

they don't say much about the Baby Daddies and husbands who should have been controlling those now deceased kids

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

North Royalton, OH 44133, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

What grave injustices?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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cops shooting unruly teens

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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http://blacklivesmatter.com/who-we-are/ this might help.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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Don, how do we, as a society, address these issues? Are there changes that need to be made and if so, what are some suggestions?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Body cams that somehow malfunction at the same time in the Alton Sterling case.

Bhaven87 @ 9 months ago

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Bhavn, there ar many in your community that don't want body cams. It was one of the demands handed down this week by a coalition of BLM organizations.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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What changes do you think BLM is seeking, if any?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I find this a very intriguing issue. What are the problems that the movement need addressed and what are some of the possible solutions. If there are any.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I don't understand this one How Black queer and trans folks bear a unique burden from a hetero-patriarchal society that disposes of us like garbage and simultaneously fetishizes us and profits off of us, and that is state violence

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

and How Black girls are used as negotiating chips during times of conflict and war

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Grave injustices such as that poor guy in Minneapolis who got shot for reporting to the officer on a traffic stop that he was licensed to carry and was carrying. That's what they train us to do in the conceal carry class in MN.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Is that what happened?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I can say that I don't know what happened yet. The investigation is ongoing. Are you privy to something the rest of us aren't? I'd love to learn the details.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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as much as i love to say you are a genuine idiot, you are intentionally getting this wrong.

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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I'm shocked that you would say that. LMAO. Please feel free to post your opinion.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Nothing? From anyone? Great.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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https://policy.m4bl.org/

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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not interested in chicken####ing. I said what I think needs to happen in my conversation with ami.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Not interested in chicken####ing either. Thanks. Have a great day.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I scoured that website and I can't see one hint about taking on more personal responsibility. absolutely nothing keeping an eye on your kids helping them with school becoming a better example

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Is ANYONE here interested in Chicken####ing?

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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BLM will overextend their message and "demands" and fall into the same obscurity as Occupy did. Which is a shame

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

I looked at what Don liked in Richmond Ca. Paying criminals to not commit crime. In a city of 100,00 thats a lot of money. In a city of 7 million, how can the taxpayer absorb that cost?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I wonder what other solutions are offered. Ive heard law changes, but im not sure what changes they recommend.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Most of the problems appear to require a societal change. How do we go about doing that?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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health/cash-for-criminals-richmond-california/ would cost more to jail them.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/19/health/cash-for-criminals-richmond-california/

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

is that all they did, or did you just pick the one piece that you don't like?

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

http://www.latimes.com/local/crime/la-me-richmond-pd-20150503-story.html

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

law enforcement changes

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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Thats all I found. I wish you would be willing to engage in conversation. Maybe we can all learn something.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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because paying to prosecute and incarcerated is a much better use of tax payer funds.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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there is 2 more things they did but I'll let you find those yourself.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

thats all you found because that's all you were looking for. seems everyone else found the other info without me giving it to them. imagine that.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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A lot of people have problems with paying criminals up to $1000 a month to not commit crime. Can you understand why?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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What else do your links say? Counseling? I know that happens in NYC. I would assume it happens in most metropolitan areas. But without the intended results. No major drops in crime. Why is that?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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the program has paid out an average of 70,000 a year. or the equivalent of jailing less than 3 people for a year.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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it is capped at $9000 per person over an 18 month period. what would amount to 30% of the cost of incarnation for a year.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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Mandatory police body cams would go a long way on both sides. Minneapolis is sued frivolously all the time for alleged police brutality. Where the body cams are used, those lawsuits go away quickly saving the taxpayer money.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Thats in a city of 100.000. In NYC that would be the equivalent of $5,000,000. Thats a lot of money

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Then they could also avoid rewarding the people who sue by settling and paying them to go away, something none of us want. And of course, police behavior is monitored during interactions with the public, helping prevent some incidents.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Some in the black lives matter have demanded no body cameras. What do we tell them?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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This just makes sense to me, particularly in light of what I bet will amount to an overall taxpayer savings by preventing significant expenses associated with lawsuits by trolls.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

https://policy.m4bl.org/end-war-on-black-people/

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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imo that is prrtty cost effective. they have several criteria they have to meet through the first 6 months of the program before they are paid anything at all. They are not just handed money not to commit crimes.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

"An end to the mass surveillance of Black communities, and the end to the use of technologies that criminalize and target our communities (including IMSI catchers, drones, body cameras, and predictive policing software)"

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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some blm have suggested no body cams, but the group itself is pushing for all to have them.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

This would help in the police situation anyway, which is certainly the focal point of the blm protests. As to larger societal problems with racism, I don't even know what to say anymore. Clearly we've become a White Nationalist society overall.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I fully expect racism, misogyny, and jingoism to temporarily flourish under President Trump. But it's the last gasp of a desperate former ruling class. If we can all hold our breath for four years, maybe things will improve.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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ok, "nearly former" is probably accurate. We're not quite past it yet...they're still desperately trying to hang on, and they're convinced Trump is going to rescue their power. It's an illusion, but we'll all suffer while waiting for it to end.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Don, what group? The link I posted claims to be a coalition from around the country. Is BLM an organization that makes official directives? I've read where it isn't and doesn't want to become an organization.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Doc, aren't you a part of that former ruling class? Well off white people?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I would be interested to see something like Richmond attempted in a major metropolitan city. If it works, that would be great. The dynamics are different in a city of 100k vs a city of millions.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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us/entry/us_55d7392ae4b0a40aa3aa9443 where did you see they didn't want them?

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_55d7392ae4b0a40aa3aa9443

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

ok. I read the one you posted.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

i believe that has to do with the manner in which they are used. I will look further into that. that should be wanted by everyone black, white, yellow, cops included.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

I agree. Body cameras only help present the facts.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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does BLM promote self improvement via homegrown community initiatives?

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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The only problem I have with the link I provided is the question of who, or what is BLM. Is it an organization or a movement? each has its own advantages and pitfalls. But they cant have it both ways.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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they are trying to have it both ways and that's part of the problem

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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I agree.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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But there are common themes. Among them, police "brutality" towards people, particularly men, of color.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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That being a major theme, would you agree?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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yes. I agree.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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that issue being addressed will pay more dividends than simply eliminating most of the brutality.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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the largest being a unified front between the cops and the community. no one wants to live in a crime infested area and the majority of the people in those areas are not criminals.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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when that relationship is as it is, it makes it very hard for the police to do their jobs. and hard for the community to see that is what they are trying to do.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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I agree. The vast majority of both want a positive environment and a positive outcome.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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its hard to trust the police when even if you are not a criminal you are treated like one.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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But how do we address the issues? There is a long history of mistrust between the minority communities and the police. A lot of it comes from the misunderstandings of each other. Call me Captain obvious. LOL

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Is it a "who gives first" game? I hope not. The police of today are largely not the police of yesteryear. Many come from the same problem communities. With insight into both worlds.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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What do you mean by "treated like one"? To me, being treated like a criminal means Im arrested and locked up. For no reason. I dont consider being stopped on the street being "treated like a criminal" IMO

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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My personal experience, I've been stopped several times. Ive never felt like a criminal. Maybe because Im not one. Maybe because Im respectful. I dont know. But thats my experience. We each have our own.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Ive dealt with #### cops and have had to maintain my composure. I understood the circumstances and realized that I wouldnt win a battle. I dealt with it afterwards with complaints.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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i have been stopped several times as well. i am not a criminal and am always respectful to anyone. i have been put into the back of a cop car while they ran my stuff with my wife and young children in the car.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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I have also had my car searched several times. my wife never realized until she was with me that the entire tone of my interactions with cops are night and day compared to hers

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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treated like criminal meaning being searched with no cause, talked to in a non respectful way, and just having very few positive interactions with cops.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

I also spent a night in jail for trying to give a statement in a fight I witnessed. he told me to go away. I would not. i saw the fight and they only wanted to take statements from the one guys group of friends. When he was the one who instigated it

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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I think it hurts when cops jump to conclusions, and they do this way too often

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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in hanging out with a lot of different groups of people I am fully aware that if the cops searched my white friends as much as my black ones they would find much more. there are statistics on this as well, but I know this from personal experience

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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I have never once raised my voice or been combative with cops. the results have still been the same. i will say that since I cut my dreadlocks off I have had less encounters. my wife jokes about that. i think its the grey hairs coming in.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

but I'm alive and have only had guns pulled on me once, so maybe playing nice has worked out.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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I think its all a matter of perspective. I can say Im respectful but my actions may say differently. When we perceive injustices we sometimes create more problems than we need to.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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just the fact that you feel reporting it later will help is entirely foreign to me. it may just be my perception of things and that is not reality, but it is what it is

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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Not an attack but I find your statement to be conflicting. You say youre always respectful but you refused to follow the officers orders. Thats not respectful. IMO.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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if you met me you would know instantly. I am very respectful to everyone, even when they don't deserve it. was raised that way. one time is an aberration. several times is a trend.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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Since the officer would only take the statements from a certain group and not you, Maybe it would have been best to approach it from a different angle. Taking your statement directly to the police station. Perhaps

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I wonder if your statement was ever entered into the report. If not, what did you accomplish? If it did, was it worth the headache?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I wasnt there so I dont know what happened but oftentimes when people feel theyre being stopped and/or searched for no reason, theres a reason. Sometimes the person will know and wont admit it and sometimes

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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the person is completely unaware of the reason.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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the judge threw it out. I did nothing wrong at all. trying to give a statement should not get you thrown in jail.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Lincoln, Coralville, IA

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AMI, I think it hurts when anyone jumps to conclusions.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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From our interactions here on VM you seem like a very respectful, reasonable person. At times a little sensitive but who isnt at times.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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From what you said happened you didnt get arrested for trying to give a statement. It appears to me that you got arrested for not following a police order. I dont agree with you being arrested but lets realize what

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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it was for

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I am not a criminal. I don't come off as a criminal. I speak well. I don't sag my pants. i don't have a hot temper. it's people like me being treated like this that causes the blacks to feel like they are treated unjustly.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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you can explain it away all you want. it happens wayyyy too often and there are statistics that show that. You don't agree. thats fine. The vast majority of blacks having this feeling and being backed up by data says its not simply perceptions

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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We can agree that not all police act like this, cant we?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Im not explaining anything away. Ive actually agreed with most of what youve said.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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so as long as police and much of the non black public think these things can just be explained away and the police have no culpability in it the longer groups like blm will be blocking traffic and making things as uncomfortable for everyone else as

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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Are you reading any of my posts? LOL!

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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it is for blacks. the sooner the problem is acknowledged and dealt with the sooner things will get better. Most times "that was wrong" is all blacks want to hear.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

like when they shot the psychologists laying on the ground with his hands up trying to help the mentally disabled kid. instead of just coming out and saying that was wrong the police chief got up there and said "he meant to shoot the disabled kid

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

because he looked like the threat." yet with 3 bullets in him and supposedly not even being the one they were shooting at they still cuffed him. come on man. come on

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

no. not all police act that way. I think they haven't been trained to be a part of those communities. with the high crime they have been trained to go in and bust it up.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Lincoln, Coralville, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

the commissioner in Richmond took a different approach which has benefited everyone. no cop or civilian shootings in 8 years

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Lincoln, Coralville, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

the commissioner in Richmond took a different approach which has benefited everyone. no cop or civilian shootings in 8 years

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Lincoln, Coralville, IA

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i got you plc. I'm not really saying anything you said is wrong. I'm just trying to point out that I and most blacks have not had that same experience with cops.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Lincoln, Coralville, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

therefore our realities are very different. when our reality is being dismissed or chalked up to not seeing things correctly you can see how that would be frustrating. as frustrating as someone blocking traffic on your way to work

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Lincoln, Coralville, IA

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blocking traffic is one way to create divisiveness, just like an unwarranted stop and search

AMI @ 9 months ago

Elmhurst, IL, USA

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Blocking traffic has an intent. To cause disruption to get attention. Unlike an unwarranted stop and search.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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unwarranted stop and searches are wrong and are not nor should they be permitted. The question is, what constitutes an unwarranted stop and/or search? Who determines the validity? The person stopped? The police?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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All blocking traffic does is make people mad at BLM and we're still left with no solutions.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I'd drive right through them as many have done. They have no right to restrict the free movement of 3rd parties. Has to be one of the most ignorant and stupid ways to protest anything that I've ever heard of. Dumb @sses.

Arlington Heights @ 9 months ago

Hudson Exchange, Jersey City, NJ

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1. It gets attention to their cause. 2. They might say that the police stopping them for no reason is restricting their free movement. 3. Protests that don't cause disruption aren't very effective.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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why taco bowl? where does that come from?

Arlington Heights @ 9 months ago

Exchange Place North, Jersey City, NJ 07302

B67dcffad9da00f6755f4e0483bb5222

1 2 and 3 all true. Yet this methodology brings no one to their side and in fact turns people against them. Hence the ignorant and stupid.

Arlington Heights @ 9 months ago

Exchange Place North, Jersey City, NJ 07302

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DNC email leaks

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/25/taco-bowl-dnc-emails-refer-hispanic-voters-latino-wikileaks/

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Oh wow. I missed that one. lmao! I've had a lot of fun with the one that says Hillary doesn't want her supporters to know about her wall st relationships. And that the best way to do that is to keep the people ignorant.

Arlington Heights @ 9 months ago

Exchange Place North, Jersey City, NJ 07302

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too funny!

Arlington Heights @ 9 months ago

Exchange Place North, Jersey City, NJ 07302

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PLC, your new Sig is irony about this event?

UndrWater @ 9 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

too bad Trump is on the other side of this election. Republicans losing a golden opportunity.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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as far as blocking traffic that is what protesters do. Protest by nature are not convenient for everyone as plc pointed out. of course you want to run them over because no matter what they did you would not like it, or just be appethetic towards it

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

they have had over 5000 protest. I bet you haven't heard of any of the ones where they didn't block traffic or do something extreme. That is simply the nature of protest. they are inconvenient.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

I will say that even though I don't agree with all they do, and they might be turning some people off, there are actual discussions (not just here but everywher) about these issues that generally don't get talked about much

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

so at the end of the day "mission accomplished" just like Trump says "all press is good press." I do challenge you to point out these peaceful effective protest from the past that changed things. I am not aware of any of those.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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non violent works. convenient does not

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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Ghandi

AMI @ 9 months ago

Bloomingdale, IL, USA

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How are these going to change anything and what does change look like? We cant stop hate. We cant stop racism. We cant stop some cops doing bad things and we cant stop some people in any group from doing bad things.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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How is another Tamir Rice prevented? Another Mike Brown? Another Eric Garner?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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dont know how or what this will change, but it has put the relationship between police and the black community out there when most non blacks either didn't know or didn't want to know.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

a problem can't be helped if it is not first acknowledged. Maybe it will help a situation like Eric Garner by better police tactics not escalating a situation that didn't need escalating.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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i do know what they are doing is better than nothing being done.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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https://www.reference.com/history/did-gandhi-india-6fd1895bdcd68aaf ami non violent, but not convenient. sit ins are not convenient and get in peoples way. like blocking traffic.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

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i will agree non violent is a key though.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

change imo, maybe not in blm, means community policing. the police can do better when it comes to blacks and minorities the disparities in how they go about handling those communities absolutely can change.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

you may not be able to stop racism and hate, but you can make it clear there is no place for it in our law enforcement

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Mann, Iowa City, IA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Is there any change from within the community that would help? The vast majority of these "victims" were committing crimes that brought the police to them. Thats a big factor thats largely ignored.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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yes. if you see it tell. gotta trust the police. the police can do the same with their own

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Absolutely.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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it's time for the black community to rise up and get somebody to fix things for them? is that where we're at? and what if they don't? What if nobody fixes this for them?

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

it is my opinion that the woes of the African-American can be fixed almost overnight by themselves pffft

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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I don't think it's an equal responsibility of problem. This is where we differ. You appear to put the majority of the responsibility in the police. I see it opposite.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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There are some mutual issues such as reporting bad behavior. Both "sides" have a problem doing this and I can understand why. After they inform, they have to go back to their camps. Uncomfortable to say the least.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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he said to don

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Sometimes the results are deadly.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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But which "side" (I hate using the word side) can claim the most bodies when it comes to retaliation for "snitching"?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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It sucks that this country is so divided. I'm heartbroken that the political parties have split between pro police and anti police.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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But it is what it is.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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The publics perception goes a long way. Your instance where you were arrested is a perfect example. You felt (and I agree) that you were correct in your attempt to report what you knew. You perceived an injustice and

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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responded in a disrespectful manner that ended in an arrest. Whether or not the arrest was justifies aside, had you followed the orders, you wouldn't have gone through that horrible experience.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Negative perceptions of the police are harmful to yourself and to society as a whole.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Was that cop actually being deliberately biased? I don't know. I don't have his side. I have yours but you're obviously coming from your perspective where it's hard to be impartial.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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But even if you're 100% correct, I don't feel you should have been disrespectful. Maybe you let emotion get the best of you. In the end, do you feel you won that battle? I don't.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Many enter any encounter with police with a level of hostility. That doesn't help. Had Eric Garner kept his cool (especially since he was dead wrong) he would be alive today.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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There are times (any time is too many) where the police are outright criminal. I've gone back to the Volpe case as an example. And there are times the cops make horrible mistakes. As in the Diallo shooting.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Some are crimes. Most are not.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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The South Carolina officer who shot the motorist for getting his wallet should be criminally charged with assault. I believe he was.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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The other officer who shot the man after he tased the officer and ran away should be charged with murder. I believe he was.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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The Baton Rouge officers who shot the guy resisting with a gun should be back on the street doing their job.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Sorry for the long rant. Thanks Don for an interesting and enlightening conversation. I'm sorry you didn't get to enjoy any chicken####ery.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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don: what does Marcellus Wallace look like? Taco: what?!

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Systemic issues with Baltimore police conduct to be reported by DoJ: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-justice-probe-baltimore-police-20160809-snap-story.html

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

well what did they do to bring this on themselves? and maybe the police should just not go over there if they have a problem with how the police do their jobs. You have to EARN your rights

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Rock Island, IL, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Well some people insists that no matter the circumstances, each individual cop's actions must be individually judged. However, that isn't appropriate in every circumstance. This is one of those situations where group behavior, I.e. "systemic"

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

issues, strongly influenced individual behavior to the point of sharing significant blame and casting a shadow of culpability over the group as a whole.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

In such circumstances it's fair to treat the entire group as a whole. As in: the Baltimore police acted unconstitutionally on an ongoing and consistent basis. Not individual cops...the whole organization.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

not JUST individual cops

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

if that's the case then many articles on Baltimore cops are accusing minority officers of being unfair to minorities and calling it racism.. very interesting

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

pink, did you read what doc posted?

UndrWater @ 9 months ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

about organization instead of individual? yes and then skimmed through her link then researched the ratio of black to white cops . turns out it's about 50-50?

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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"The basis of BLM is bad policing. Not just a few. Thats what the movement is about. A corrupt system that targets blacks while protecting law enforcement." Taco Bowl @ 7 days ago

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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"Its about the perceived injustices in the criminal justice system. -Taco Bowl @ 7 days ago Organizing and marching about it doesnt make it true. -Taco Bowl @ 7 days ago"

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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We have reports from Ferguson and now Baltimore that give validity to those perceived injustices, which appear to be systemic.

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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One of the more interesting examples being publicized is the forced public female cavity search. A complaint was filed and little was done, feeding the perception of injustice.

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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The Baltimore DOJ report showed that blacks were targeted and there was "a cultural resistance to accountability" (protecting law enforcement). So PLC's above statements are wrong on both counts.

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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Exactly my point above. Now can't you imagine that there were probably many good cops there that for squeezed out for not subscribing to the good ole boy ways? Maybe they got bad reviews and eventually were fired. Maybe they got disgusted and quit

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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...but you can easily see where once the balance tips in an organization, it will start consolidating around an adopted culture and exclude those who don't play by the adopted rules.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

That's true of any organization of people. Here, the toxic culture took root and good people were almost certainly cleansed from the system as it consolidated around a punitive and racist operation.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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(got squeezed out)

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

For example, Michael A Wood, Jr.

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/09/us/document-Baltimore-P-D-Findings-Report-FINAL.html

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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"And I still hold that Police Officers are held accountable for their actions. Just as much, if not more than the public." -PLC @ http://yodamap.com/posts/81995 I refer you to Section IIIC of the above report.

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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Expect more crime in Baltimore.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Why should we expect more crime?

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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Just look at Ferguson. And Baltimore has had a major crime uptick anyway since Freddie Gray.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

441587fe232d918c3a4c8497d22aa156

anyone see the protester that got ran over? be sure to watch till the end when they start saying "call the police". classic move

President Not Sure @ 9 months ago

Wright City, MO, USA

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In order to reform things, the report has to be published but in the short term I just see things getting worse as criminals and would-be criminals use it as an excuse.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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so thats all you get out of that. it will make crime go up?

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Ferguson is only 3 months into their new reform plan.

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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since it will make crime go up then maybe they should just continue as they have been because thats what they have to do to keep these people under control.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

No it's not, that's just a sad thing that I believe will happen.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

president not sure, because its too much to ask the police to do their jobs without discrimination. and asking that means you are against them.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Don you're generating conclusions from what I said

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

and you wonder why people are protesting. a report comes out saying the things they are pointing out are happening and that is the response. figures

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Well is it not the truth

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

You know it's gonna get worse in Baltimore before it gets better

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

its not just what you said. its not just you. go to the publications reporting on this and see the response to it. its like the report doesn't exist. people doubling down on "they deserve it" and "don't ask for the police help then." gets old.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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but I'm not surprised

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Well that's not what *I* said. Is it?

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

how do cops treating blacks like #### decrease crime? If the cops feel like if they don't police like that they. ant police isn't that a huge problem?

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

maybe if they concentrated on stopping violent crime and gang activity instead of pulling people over and searching them for no damn reason there it wouldn't go up

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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It's really inconvenient though, don.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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When did I say that?

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I mean, for us white folk.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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what I think is a shame is the people who are supposed to be serving and protecting feel like if they can't do it that way they should not do it at all.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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drew. he posted the report. what was your first response?

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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what was your second response?

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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have you even addressed how ####ed up it is for the police to be operating in that manner.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

a report is released detailing crap policing and the conversation (not just with you, but you did it too) goes straight to black crime

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I just said something that's probably in everyone's head but is 'impolite' to say.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

damn you think it's just criminals they are treating like this? thats why folks are pissed.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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you said whats in everyones head? that's ####ed up isn't in everyones head. that is what is in everyones head. can you see how that is ####ed up too?

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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it's not about being impolite. its about dismissing that issue immediately to go to something else. like i said it's not just you. it is a pattern.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Of course folks are pissed. This was stuff they felt was happening and the justice dept confirmed it. Seems pretty common sense to me.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

How's that dismissing the issue, was one comment and then Skål asked me why.. I said why

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Better call the diversity committee cuz I committed some kinda microaggression and didn't address the thing that's supposed to be addressed first on the internet comment board. Sck of this shít.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Pretty sure black people in Baltimore didn't feel this was going on. They knew it.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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who's in the gang majority? . Who has the highest percentage per capita of violent crime? . yes, like after the riots (no convictions) bpd is going to back down. . arrests will decline dramatically .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Knew but couldn't prove Doc. So I said felt. Now they got the data.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Drew I know you had no ill will. Something like this gets released (its not the first) and the conversation goes straight to what the criminals are going to do. what about black crime. very very little is said about how ####ed up it is they are

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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operating like this. like those other issues somehow condone this behavior.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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For justice's sake we need that report. BLM has legitimate beef. But the first thing I thought of was how Baltimore responded after Freddie Gray.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

solution, a national Police force. . that way doj can direct how officers operate. . maybe disarm them, like England, blocks excessive use of force a bit .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I have no idea the solution... All I know is there's no possible way to reform so quickly... In the meanwhile ####s gonna get worse or stay just as bad in Baltimore.. I would love to be wrong, would love it. Say in your face Drew, see

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

thanks h20 for fully taking it there. you guys enjoy your discussion. I just thought I should speak up about that because you are right drew. thats the first thing most non-blacks think. then many go staight h20 style. explaining it away.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Breached the protocol of what I'm supposed to think about first. I hate it when that happens.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

it suck when people do what I just did. i get that. it also sucks when people don't acknowledge the issue being exposed. you have said it was an issue before. from what i have seen so far, not just here. a lot still don't and won't

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Horn, University Heights, IA

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I guess my head went there because I thought #1 ok this report is basically what I thought it'd be, #2 that really sucks, #3 and the even worse thing is in the immediate future the city will probably have an even worse crime flare up

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

To me that's actually the injustice upon the injustice that regular people in the city are gonna probably (and again, happy to be wrong) suffer.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I get where you're coming from Don, didn't like to be lumped in with random online commentaries that are no doubt pissing you off in the comment section of the articles about the report.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

I don't think criminals are going to be any more emboldened by this. of course there will be probably be a lot of those commiting crimes saying they were discriminating thats what criminals do anyway

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Horn, University Heights, IA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I hope those on the edge of criminality don't use it as an excuse to go further.. Or those thinking of pulling shít see it as a go ahead...

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

i do think it will turn blm up though

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Horn, University Heights, IA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Cuz I guess that's what's been happening in Baltimore lately, it's gotten pretty bad, murder rates back to their bad old days in early 90s I think

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

they may get ignorant. not violent i don't think, but extremely loud. them making it to this election year is going to make things interesting. Honestly I think they might be working against themselves though. Eberybody they agitate is going to

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Horn, University Heights, IA

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definitely vote, and it will probably be for trump. best get out to vote he could possibly have. Hillary may get the Obama bump because of that too though.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Horn, University Heights, IA

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I don't think the murder rates are up because of that though. i think it's heroin. Thats the new "designer drug" and it makes people crazy. so it makes already crazy people really dangerous.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Horn, University Heights, IA

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for the people saying the financial comeback isn't what they say it is you could point to that as well. those at the bottom are the last to get jobs and "that life" is appealing to a young guy who nobody can't tell #### because they ain't got ####

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Horn, University Heights, IA

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either. and by sh!t. i mean a consistent dependable roof over you head. a toilet that works most of the time, and clean running water. I understand that with the right decisions someone can get themselves out of that, but at 12-14 making that

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Horn, University Heights, IA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

And then the father is God knows where, so kid's "father-figure" is some kinda bad-boy neighborhood mentor instead.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

type of decision. tough. long story short, anybody that thinks this will allow them to get away with bigger crimes, were probably going to do those bigger crimes anyway.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Horn, University Heights, IA

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father is in jail. or simply ain't got ####. truthfully if the father is not in jail and close in distance to the child, black father be around a lot.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Horn, University Heights, IA

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a whole lot. they might not be with the mamma but they be around

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Horn, University Heights, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

of he has been in jail, that is not a good thing either. but they be around

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Horn, University Heights, IA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Baltimore had a pretty drastic recent crime spike though. The kind of drastic crime spike that got predicted for NYC by the Post numerous times but luckily never transpired.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

I know a couple big reasons why crime per capita is higher in urban neighborhoods: 1. War on Poverty 2. War on Drugs

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

yes. and yes. 2 really big ones

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

so don't, the elitist, you really don't think BPD won't back off the policing throttle, as occurred after the riots? . A lot of people weren't criminals up to the riots either, but than once the riots started, looting began and temptation set in.

H2O @ 9 months ago

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Trying to justify all criminal behavior in the area as the primary fault of the cops, to me isn't rational . . This is, according to the report, nor a few cops, but the entire department committing racist policing.

H2O @ 9 months ago

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If truly the case, consistently found by doj, in the majority of departments throughout the country, than why not a national Police force? .

H2O @ 9 months ago

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

The war on drugs is a joke, take the penalties off, and let the chips fall were they may. (there's always going to be a black market) . .

H2O @ 9 months ago

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This could be a long drawn out conversation filled with anger, accusations blatant dismissals and petty insults. I won't take part. I do have one question. If the BOD is so bad, why isn't anyone criminally charged?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I refer you to the entirety of section IIIC for the answer to your question. The answer is well documented there, if you want to look.

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/09/us/document-Baltimore-P-D-Findings-Report-FINAL.html In case you need help finding the link

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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I can't read those God damn blue letters!

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Bedford Heights, OH, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Baltimore_protests was Baltimore a riot. not so much

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Lincoln, Coralville, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_riots that is a riot

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots that is a riot

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

a cvc burned down...there were a few skirmishes, but baltimore was pretty tame. the coverage and riot gear made it seem worse. them "letting off the throttle didn't cause more damage or severe rioting. had they kept their foot on the throttle it may

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

have been worse. what exactly would it have looked like had they not "taken their foot off the throttle.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

its also quite the stretch to think people who aren't criminals decided to loot since there wasn't much looting. but that perception is in line with the rest of what you say h20 so carry on.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Lincoln, Coralville, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

you also must not have read up much on this because its not blaming cops for all criminal behavior at all. not one bit. maybe you should get a better understanding of what the report does and doesn't say

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Lincoln, Coralville, IA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Don, those were *big* riots... There are such things as little ones right? I guess depends on how ya define it

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.108955566.3010/flat,800x800,075,f.u6.jpg

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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I was an early supporter of Bane since populists are so in these days https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-att-us&source=android-browser&q=bane+2016#imgrc=fgZ35b73LJ-aiM%3A

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

Drew there should be some distinction because those "big riots" were not the same as these little ones.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Lincoln, Coralville, IA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

You know what'd be great.... Both dem and repub nominees get locked up, and it'll be a match between the vp picks.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

when I hear riot I think of the big ones

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Lincoln, Coralville, IA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Be like a normal election or something.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvG3is7Bm1w

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Or https://youtu.be/1IqH3uliwJY

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

My God did music in the mid 90s to ..... well pretty much now suck donkey balls

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

with a few exceptions of course

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

That song was seriously overplayed

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

it still makes me sick

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

I'm just guessing don't, I was a bit closer to Baltimore than you. part of the family lives there, many of my coworkers and their families live in the area. .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

whether your a small or large business and you're burned and/or looted, you're near gunfire, molotov ####tails, windows smashed, property torn up, destroyed . I guess they'll be okay in the knowledge it wasn't really a riot, by Iowan terms. .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

thanks for the Iowa reference being that I have not lived in Iowa my whole life or even the majority of it. of course the businesses effected don't care how something is labeled. they suffer the same consequences.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

however, you made it seem as if the police backing of made the situation worse and the riots bigger. being that these riots pale in comparison to those others that claim is quite the stretch.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

the main point in all of this is if the police feel they cannot do their jobs unless they do it like this then who is the real problem? if police are "backing off" as to not seem racist or like bad cops or whatever the reason then why are they police

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

maybe many are unaware of these discrepancies and maybe now can realize the discrepancies. But what is that saying if a cop now says "I can't do my job because of this?" is that really part of the job? if it is then this report means even more.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

they where "2" separate occurrences, as I originally stated. 1: Gray dies 2: No Police arrested 3: Riots 4: DA charges 6 cops (to stop riots) 5: cops back off policing neighborhood . That's what happened for about 2-3 months .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

Murders went up assaults went up robbery went up . neighborhood complained no Police presence . Police afraid of being charged for being in contact .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

i like how h20 claimed familiarity with baltimore by proximity.

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

and to the cherry poppin daddies, i was more of a squirrel nut zippers fan myself.

[412035] @ 9 months ago

undefined

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

did you attend swing dancing classes?

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

police are afraid of being charged for being in contact. so no accountability? So nothing needs to change about the way they are policing? either deal with it or they won't do their jobs? man, what does that say about them if thats the case.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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h20 will you at least take 1 post to directly address the claims made in the report? is the report erroneous? is this just how you have to police the black community?

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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the report is more correct than not. . I'm not siding with the cops, but I'm not going to worship a racist DA or Mayor trying to make names for themselves. . They clearly rushed to judgment and lost. What does that say about them? .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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But the results of any DOJ report are suspect, the agency isn't neutral at all. . What's Obama's record on rushing to judgment? 0 and 6, plus 8 dead cops? .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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@AMI - I hated swing classes for that reason.

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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indeed indeed

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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my argument is some cops, are racially bias and ignorant, but by rushing to judgment, half the facts, automatically assuming the "white cop" is wrong, gets you nowhere especially when you ignore/excuse the behavior that started it,

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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Adam, you're not more than an ignorant government dependant a$$hole who's here because baby's mama needed cover, . you're an illiterate non-comprehending cowardly racist . try reading what I wrote, "once" .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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better yet, lie down and let the dog lick your face again .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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institutional. Backed up by numbers. Of an issue that those who live with it have known forever. that report wasn't about some individual incident where the "white cop" was blamed

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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don, have you ever seen the BB gun model Rice had?, do you know how close it resembles a 1911 45 call? . I point 1 or the other at you, you going to wait to see which one it is? . brown, hands up don't shoot, a LIE, but destroying a man's character,

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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its about a consistent pattern. did obama change the numbers they used to come up with the report? if the part of it that the report is talking about is taken care of, it will go a long way in the other issues not happening as well

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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threatening his life, presidential condemnation all are okay, just because he's white. . The Minnesota homicide, on the surface appears to be an overreaching cop. .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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Cops are now on notice from various racial groups that they are viable targets, yet you bitch when they don't present and easy target for them. . In the past year, at least 10 dead cops, and the killers claiming support for BLM. .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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not that tamir rice matters because obviously the word institutional is irrelevant to you, but why exaclty did they need to roll up on him close? did he have a hostage. was this gun even visible when they rolled up? did it ever get out of his waste?

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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you do have an understanding of what institutional means don't you. you do know there are several other cases where video has proven the coos reports were erroneous right? what are you even going over these specific cases for. you see them different.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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BLM, BP all calling for "Dead Cops", President telling people to do what's necessary. ignore the behavior/act that started it. . I don't believe a cop gets up in the morning and says "it's a good day to kill a black boy" .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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50% of cops charged in freddie gray death were white, 50% were black, how was it racist for a da to charge them as white cops?

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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fine. I'm sure you think Sandra bland just shouldn't have been so smart mouthed to, and deserved to be handled like that.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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you need to stop projecting

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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So what starts the chain of events? .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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wtf are you talking about? there has not been more police shootings than any other year. cops are still more likely to be shot by a white guy. and neither of the recent cop shootings had anything to do with blm.

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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I'm gonna need you to start saying where you get this crap from. you just gone pull stuff out your ass?

don Pappi @ 9 months ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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one of the cops killed in new orleans was black, cops in fresno just killed a white kid not long ago.

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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maybe cops should have to answer for shootings of civilians like you do?

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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you know, for when you kill a black kid.

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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h20 gets everything from his ass, its why he cant source any of it.

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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a doj report isn't going to to provide overnight changes unless you combine it with federal takeover/direct oversight.. . Baltimore's case, takeover and start over is the only realistic path . either way you go, Cops are going to back off policing

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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answer the question

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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If a cop's reaction to having a mandatory body camera is to "back off", as you put it, then that cop probably should back off. Part of the reason I believe in mandatory body cameras for all cops.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Your idea of a national police force is interesting, Mr. States Rights. A centralized federal police force (aside from de facto police like the FBI, BATF etc.), terrific. Nice expansion of federal executive power h2o, at taxpayer's expense.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Do you ever think beyond the first layer of any idea that you hear? Also do you have an actual ideology? Because you don't seem to understand what your supposed views even stand for.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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[sarcasm escapes many]

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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If the cop has the body cam and he's pursuing someone legitimately, why would he back off? Wouldn't the cam be evidence that he *was* acting appropriately? Body cam would have disproven hands up, don't shoot, right?

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Took forever for that bubbameister to get knocked down and STILL whenever media discuss Ferguson they often don't even make a mention of the DOJ's Michael Brown report. Only the other report.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Both are important I think.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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I think BLM types need to stop having OJ Simpson supporter syndrome and if they get it wrong, or things are more complicated- own the fúck up to it. There are enough legitimate issues that you don't have to go down a Tawanna Brawley path.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Regarding Freddie Gray, there does seem to have been negligence regarding restraint... However, that isn't murder so the only reason the cops were saddled with that charge was for political reasons.. Mosby knew she didn't have the goods.

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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I don't think doing that kinda crap helps at all. Couldn't Mosby be disbarred?

The Drew @ 9 months ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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I don't believe H2O said the police will back off because of body cameras. That appears to be docs version of what H2O said.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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That's right, good job plc. h2o just said they'd back off. I said, of a body cam makes them back off it's a good thing.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Drew, what I was trying to say was this. If a cop with no body cam is made to wear one, and being forced to wear it causes him to change his behavior, then his behavior prior was probably out of line.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Also, Freddie Gray was a classic shake n' bake...common move by the cops. Handcuff then fail to restrain then drive around recklessly to toss the person around in the back. Hard to trace the cause of injury.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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we should make politicians wear body cams huh?

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ 9 months ago

Hudson, OH 44236, USA

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http://www.policemag.com/cop-slang/shake-and-bake.aspx

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Shake%20and%20Bake&defid=5260790

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I think Gray was subjected to the lesser known move Shake and Break.

AMI @ 9 months ago

Downers Grove, IL, USA

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funny, court found no evidence of shake and break. "Not Guilty" all counts and the judge listed why . where did I mention body cams? . I'm in favor of them though, as most seem to support the officer's version more times than not .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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"back off policing" comment references the fact that BPD officers wouldn't/didn't enter the area of the "protest" on patrol, didn't leave their vehicles to investigate suspicious occurrences, wouldn't investigate a citizens help call until minimum..

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

... of 2 cars on scene. . they backed off so much, citizens were calling the mayor to ask how they could get improved policing. . Cops biggest fear, wasn't getting shot, it was being accused and jailed with no evidence, only an accusation. .

H2O @ 9 months ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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Darren Wilsons life will never be the same.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I completely agree that body cams protect police also. Some arrested people cry police brutality and bring frivolous lawsuits to try and extract a settlement from the taxpayers.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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...and I am quite certain, having seen no statistics, that this happens about two orders of magnitude more often than actual police brutality of any sort (racially motivated or not). Cops are there to do a job after all.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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So think about how much money it would save us, the taxpayers, if we were to mandate body cameras: the reduction in defending these suits and paying off nuisances would be substantial.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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I'd have to think the body cam programs would pay for themselves. Seems like such a win for everyone...I don't understand why everyone isn't rushing to do it.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

As a taxpayer, I'd rather pay for the cameras than pay for attorney fees and payouts to asshóles trying to game the system for a buck.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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makes sense to me

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Question. How did opposition to body cameras become the topic here? Has anyone here opposed body cameras? Does the report state that opposition to body cameras is an issue?

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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Not saying anyone is opposed on this forum, in fact it's helpful to make my point if no one is opposed. My point is that it would actually help solve so many issues, why are we not implementing this now now now?

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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Some in the black lives matter have demanded no body cameras. What do we tell them? Taco Bowl @ 9 days ago

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

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you brought it up initially

Tjaden Froyda @ 9 months ago

Chaska, MN 55318, USA

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As taxpayers we should be demanding this. blm should make it a major focal point of their cause if what they want is equal treatment by the police. Mandatory body cams, ON whenever the cop is on duty. Some like to switch them off and say

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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there was some technical issue. Do not provide an OFF switch or provide backups so no excuses.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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You're ok with the department having video of cops using the bathroom? I'm not.

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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I don't care about that personally, but I suppose there would have to be a way to deal. Sure.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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can citizens conduct searches and seize suspicious assets from the police? can we set up public cameras in police stations and negotiation rooms? how would things change if we could?

AMI @ 9 months ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Anarchy

Taco Bowl @ 9 months ago

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has anyone here ever been a cop? I have been a security guard for concerts and events (second job to meet women). I found out after dealing with that shìt for 1 summer I turned into the àssholes that I hated.

President Not Sure @ 9 months ago

Wright City, MO, USA

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I could not imagine dealing with what a cop deals with everyday that you would not change for the worse.

President Not Sure @ 9 months ago

Wright City, MO, USA

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there has to be a way to decompress after a certain amount of time in the field.

President Not Sure @ 9 months ago

Wright City, MO, USA

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Some people are cut out for it and some aren't. If I were a geriatric nurse I'd shoot myself after a day. But my sister in law has done it for 20 years.

Dr. Evil @ 9 months ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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haha plc is such a tool.

[412035] @ 9 months ago

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