According to Bill O'Reilly BLM is a terrorist group, doesn't that make the Tea Party a terrorist group also.
@ 12 months ago
why don't you post a few videos of tea party members beating people and breaking glass?
oh you can't? then no the tea party is not a terrorist group like BLM
@ 12 months ago
Strongsville, OH, USA
@ 12 months ago
that's the best you can do and still you hate these people so much?You see nothing wrong with that?
i dont anymore
we're screwed the whole world is screwed mankind is screwed. at least Clinton does not hate America like Barack Obama so the left is moving forward hope you guys learned your lesson
why do you think its perfectly acceptable to pretend to be genuine and then revert back to a cartoon?
you think I sounded genuine? Like having a genuine conversation with you guys?no this is sarcasm total sarcasm
He said "pretend". pay attention, or take another pill! :-)
@ 12 months ago
Cerritos, CA, USA
that kid could always read my tell,smart Verrry smart. how you been? Check out Poverty Inc . on Netflix
na na na na Netflix
Guns And Roses
Even Newt Gingrich gets it, come on O'Reilly.
@ 12 months ago
Lakeland, MN 55043, USA
Medina Township, OH 44256, USA
I Googled black lives matter is a terrorist group by Bill O'Reilly and came up with nothing perhaps somebody could enlighten us and post a link?
they're basically the black KKK right?
the one group least likely to understand being black in America, Caucasian women
they know what it's like to be a child but not a black
bill o reilly never said it, thats why.
Pink, I get that I don't get it, and I get that I'll never get it. That's the best I can do. If you have a suggestion that will help me do better, I'm open to it.
why would you want to?
she actually fantasize's about you
@ 12 months ago
Fort Belvoir, VA, USA
I know what she likes
North Royalton, OH 44133, USA
That's no great accomplishment.
@ 12 months ago
I don't think so
I used to fantasize about Pink then he told us about his tiny dick. Now I just think "dog dick", that is, the small, slimy pink dick that male dogs hide in that fur envelope...always falls out when they sit in the car, and it slimes the car seat.
Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN
Though it's funny when the black leather car seats get hot...The dog jumps up pretty quick once their little pinky touches the burning hot leather!!
that's why they call them MAN's best friend
@ 11 months ago
Bill O'Reilly is an idiot!
@ 11 months ago
Tamarac, FL, USA
let's see, fighter.. Cry baby hates white people 1% chance a descendant of slaves blames all woes on others ... let me take a well-educated guess . African American right?
yeah, but Bill is an idiot
@ 11 months ago
Villa Park, IL, USA
Pink, "blames all woes on others..."
@ 11 months ago
oh I'm just poking at him cut it out
there's one gutsy assumption
Tea Party at least kept their rallies pretty clean. Cleaned up trash and shít. Ironically the Dem gatherings are always trashfests and these are the same people so worried about the planet.
@ 11 months ago
Kips Bay, New York, NY
got that right and they dare to point the hypocrite finger at their hated opponents
White supremacists are pretty metrosexual, I've heard Drew. I'd expect neatness from that crowd lol.
@ 11 months ago
Come on, you must admit I have a point.
Why can't BLM accept the Federal Government's findings regarding Michael Brown?
Yorkville, New York, NY
"Hands up, Don't Shoot", slogan would no longer work
Besides if POTUS doesn't accept it, why should they?
@ 11 months ago
the hands up, don't shoot campaign was shameful and embarrassing....but so is shooting a kid in a park playing with a toy gun
I'm not sure what the answer is, but I do know the current relationship between cops and black communities is one that
requires significant change
ami not just the current. that relationship has never been healthy. also it isn't hasn't and has never been about one issue. it's the overall treatment of blacks by cops.
@ 11 months ago
Iowa City, IA, USA
they dont accept the micheal brown thing because as we have seen with other events (the kid getting shot in the park, the guy trying to help the autistic kid, etc.) what the police say happen isn't what always happened. to say why don't they just
yes, I wasn't born yesterday lol, I could have left "current" out and it would have made sense
accept that explanation is saying that issue exist in a bubble and is cherry picking the event you feel discredits their beef. So I counter your why don't they accept what the fbi said about Brown with, why don't other folks accept what the fbi said
about how the entire police department treated blacks in Ferguson. there is a report about that as well, and that should shed light on why blm wouldn't accept the federal government findings regarding brown.
especially given the government decided no charges in the Tamir Rice case among others.
but for real change to happen the situation needs to be treated with a greater level of nuance on both sides....
look what the police commissioner did in Richmond, Ca..
The approach taken reduced crime there by over 30% in 10 years. it's still a high crime area, but each year progress is being made
and no police or civilian shooting in that time.
Mann, Iowa City, IA
also trust between the community and police is growing. it is somewhat of a blueprint
so why is no one talking about it??
not a ratings builder..It's the same as all the marches, bbqs, programs etc. to combat gang (black on black) violence. our media is there to make money and that doesn't sell.
there was also the planned blm protest that turned into a police/ community bbq. it got a little pub, but should have become a thing between police and blm in many more places.
Longfellow, Iowa City, IA
you would think that strategies with proven results would be looked at and used other places, but it seems like that commissioner gets it at the base level and some can't get pass the idea that you have to police high crime areas with an iron fist.
I think it goes deeper than media profits
as far as the community goes people have to realize that of you take a combative role with the police they have no choice but to respond in kind. As any human would continuing interactions like that cause you to expect that and make interactions
that have no need to be hostile escalate quickly. the police have a hard job and need to community to help out in some self policing/ helping to identify the true criminals among them. the community needs the police to maintain law, but also need to
trust that they are there to help the community not be the enemy.
of course its deeper than media profits, I just mean if we are expecting the american media to get out the word on things like this we can hang that up. it ain't gonna happen and we should stop expecting it to.
on a wider scale its both sides only looking for things to validate their pre conceived notions about the other. Also while police are feeling wronged (rightfully so) by continuously being vilified to the public and looked at as all being bad,
that has been the norm for especially black males forever. the bad always on display as if most are bad.
BLM seems to treat every police vs black man/woman incident the same and that's my problem with them. I don't know why they can't accept the findings in *both* reports.
Midtown, New York, NY
Not to mention the 'what do we want, dead cops' chant by some of them at Union Square.
How's Ferguson looking now?
BLM needs to pick its battles the same as the feminists do instead of say Mattress Girl, Duke Lacrosse, and that U.VA girl with the fantasy boyfriend.
And then you got the hangers on who think they are "helping" like Mosby but who really end up making things worse, she overcharged based on politics, didn't have the evidence for it and everything got thrown out.
Why should they Drew, the DOJ conduct a completely new investigation or used the old bias material from the pro LEO District Attorney.
@ 11 months ago
Killeen, TX 76543, USA
and material from a pro BLM DA would somehow be less biased
If it was a pro BLM DA involved it might have been a fair investigation. That listen to all the witness's testimonies and let the grand jury decide on their merit.
Like Marrilyn Mosby did
@ 11 months ago
Marilyn Mosby, Balitimore.
drew do you believe that blacks in general have a legitimate beef with how they are being and have been treated by law enforcement and the judicial system?
Yes I do, I think BLM is a flawed messenger.
the messenger will always be flawed. occupy wallstreet. the black panthers. on down the line. in his day even mlk was looked at as flawed. so if not blm, at this time who will be the messenger?
there have been approaching 5000 blm protest. as far as a flawed messenger they could have stacked up a lot more trouble than they are.
the higher-level question to be answered is should any group be judged by their worst element
Addison, IL, USA
of they were not speaking up right now would these issues even be on the American consciousness right now?
That's a good point. However, I think BLM suffers from OJ Simpson supporter syndrome.
And I think it gives them some credibility issues.
while they might not be the perfect messenger they could be worse. not continuously violent. no frequent destruction of property etc. with hot button issues like the ones they center around, imo they could be much worse.
There needs to be this kinda thing within the movement. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/03/16/lesson-learned-from-the-shooting-of-michael-brown/
Could be worse is not an excuse for let's make it better.
oj simpson supporter issues? meaning they want a win, anyway they can get it? the oj verdict and blacks in general celebrating had as much if not more to do with the outcome of other verdicts. that would be a similar parallel though. as the police
Yeah you nailed it, that's exactly what I meant. We want a win, damn the specifics.
shootings they are protesting have roots in many other things than those specific shootings. i can see how like being connected to oj, the more they can be connected to events that don't really hold water with what they are protesting can, does, and
will continue to mute their message. but i think those who dont want to hear it aren't going to hear it anyway and are just looking for a way to discredit quickly.
Yeah that's what I meant. Stop connecting to events that don't hold water and go after stuff that actually does. And admit when wrong like Capeheart.
true..they should have let go of Micheal Brown rhetoric and focused on the systemic issues. continuing to focus on him put the real issues on the back burner.
And forget about those who don't wanna hear it, that's not the problem. The problem is people who are/would be sympathetic, but then note the credibility problem and turns them off.
I think it's actually weird because we hear the least about the cut and dry incidents from them.
it does seem like more positive interactions have been happening within the movement and with police involved. Of course those aren't going to get near the attention burning cvs stores and police in riot gear will get
Yeah I think it's gotten a bit better too actually. This unfortunately might have been the result of the cop attacks esp the one during the march.
yes. unfortunately it took cops being killed for people to say wait a minute all of this is crazy. It probably helped blm from the standpoint that the shooters were not affiliated with the group, and the group itself has seems to take a much softer
The shooter was shooting at cops helping to escort BLM and making sure stuff didn't get out of hand and people were able to exercise right to free speech.
approach on harming police officers. as crazy as this has all been I still firmly believe it is a positive and will move a lot of issues forward a lot faster than otherwise would have happened. the Donald Trump campaign I think will help too.
I'm scared something Brexitty can happen and we *get* President Donald.
Hillary is a smart woman and it's like every turn she sabotages herself.
the sooner we get all our crazy out there on display the sooner the majority can tell them they are nuts. that goes for these crazy ass, f whitey, true meanimg of the words ignorant thug blacks as well.
What do you think of Hillary, Don... Don't compare with Trump cuz that's not really fair.
she has just been in politics too long. surprised this is all they got. look at what a man has to do to get where she is politically, I can only imagine what she has had to do. don't make it right, but I understand.
Biden has been in politics for a long time without most of those antics.
i liked Bernie. if Mitt was running this year I might consider him. i don't think Hillary is this terrible person, i just think she is beholden to the global elite and will continue on that path. o had an outside hope Bernie could break that up.
I don't think anything tragic will happen during her presidency if she wins, i just think so much will be focused on her personal issues that real issues won't get discussed
Mitt lookin so good now.
yeah...Biden doesn't seem to want the spotlight though. he hasn't been in it nearly as long as Hilary.
with it being known she was going to make a strong presidential run.at some point she has been in the spotlight a long long time.
mitt chose the wrong election
He's like the paragon of virtue against what's around now.
Plus he called some of the developments abroad before it happened,..... Unlike moron Trump who has no idea what's happening nor does he want to educate himself
"the higher-level question to be answered is should any group be judged by their worst element" Does that include the police?
of course, it was a question with no angle
that's why I used the word "any"
Is the prevailing thought that the Police are judging the AA community by their worst element and that the AA community is doing the same for the Police?
that could be one direction, yes
I do believe that's what we all do when we judge isn't it?
might be time for we all to look at ourselves
look at the man in the mirror?
or we could take our clothes off look at each other ..☆ whichever makes you more comfortable
Ive said it a million times and Ill say it a million more. There are bad police. There are police officers who are racists. Just not as much as those like BLM believe.
well I believe you taco and what I see of AMI he has a sturdy grip on things
I don't think you know what any one individual thinks. blm is not a single minded entity. Just like "police" are not a single entity, which you clearly recognize, blm is made up of individuals. Some act badly. Most do not.
You don't get to have it both ways plc. Individualizing the police while lumping blm into a single entity category shows your bias. Oopsie.
Anyway, I have no idea how much "as much as those like blm believe" is or how one could possible determine that. Do you know the answer plc?
I never individualized the Police. I said the incidents that the BLM are speaking out against dont happen as often as they believe. How do we determine? Look at the incidents they are rallying behind.
Louisiana, NY, Ferguson, Minnesota, Baltimore to name a few. Just because the BLM say the police acted inappropriately, it doesn't male it so. Most, if not all were justified.
Justified according to the law. If you want to change the law, thats another discussion. What would you change? allow certain groups the right to kill Police Officers because of perceived injustices?
not perceived, anytime a black man is killed, by a cop, BLM should get a free pass on shooting 3 white cops.
that's only fair
Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA
I honestly don't understand what they want to change? Do they want to eliminate hate? Not gonna happen. Eliminate bias? Not gonna happen. Stop black men from getting killed? Not gonna happen.
What changes in the law would prevent another Mike Brown?
thats a bit extreme h20, how about 1 for 1?
@ 11 months ago
if the police officer who shot tamir rice was in prison for life for the murder police officers would have consequences. right now you rush to defend every single one, youre just a hack, but the law falls on their side
soo, because the law was designed to protect them.
you use mostly justifiable shootings to support yourself but every time a completely innocent person is shot you shrug your shoulders and say "oh well, #### happens."
meanwhile every time a cop dies you blame BLM.
you have no ####ing connection with reality. you are almost as bad as h20.
i hope your husband comes home to you tonight though.
if Tamir Rice were properly supervised, he'd be alive. That's the brutal truth. The kind you don't like. The police officer didn't kill that kid for no reason. He saw a gun and reacted.Tragedy doesn't always equal crime
The law is not designed to defend the police it's designed to defend society. But I'm sure you know that already.
I'm using the cases the BLM is yelling the loudest about. Remember that case where the unarmed black guy was killed for no reason? It's rare but it happens. Rarely. Unfortunately.
If a cop is wrong I'll say so. I have no problem with that. I've never said "oh well". But I k ow honesty isn't your strong suit.
Not every cop killing is BLM related. I've never claimed that. But again, you and honesty seem to be strangers.
I hope Traven comes home safe every night. And I'm sure you wish your manly wife didn't come home sometimes. Talk about regret. Whew!
I'll ask again, what law changes would you recommend? What would make sure another Tamir Rice doesn't happen again?
Mandatory parenting classes? Common sense 101?
the officer saw a gun?
No. He saw an opportunity to take out a black. So he just shot. Without seeing anything. His eyes were closed.
ok plc. Clearly you didn't understand what I said. It's ok, it's more complicated than you thought. Difficult for you, sorry.
Yes you individualized the cops. Twice.
Please explain Lori,
When I say the the police do not do what BLM claims they do, how is that individualizing the police?
I dunno if BLM does it anymore but I remember when they'd harass random white students (who'd probably be on their side otherwise) studying at university libraries.
They'd then go around to restaurants harassing diners and servers eating there. And the most bizarre part of that exercise was they'd often do it in very liberal neighborhoods. Wtf does disrupting random people's brunch do?
At least I haven't heard *too* much about dumb tactics like that anymore.
I think in an effort to further the alienation and anger of their youths they are now calling themselves ○The 13%○
plc to paraphrase, you said some cops behave badly but most do not. True. This individualizes the cops behavior and recognizes the folly of lumping them together as a single group. I agree with that, 100%.
Then in the same post, you say that not as many cops behave badly as blm believes to be true. Quantification issues with that statement aside, it lumps all blm supporters or members into a single group.
You must recognize that this constitutes bias. Some blm supporters or protesters certainly have an over the top idea about the extent of bad policing, since the topic is very emotionally charged. But I am sure some of them are quite reasonably
shocked at recent events and feel the need to have their voices heard in protest. They don't imagine conspiracies or cultures of cop discrimination, but seek to call attention to grave injustices.
It's folly to paint one group with a broad brush while affording another with the benefit of individual assessment.
The basis of BLM is bad policing. Not just a few. Thats what the movement is about. A corrupt system that targets blacks while protecting law enforcement.
Youre trying to detract from what BLM is. Its not about bad service at restaurants. its not about working conditions. Its about the perceived injustices in the criminal justice system.
Organizing and marching about it doesnt make it true.
The Police, on the other hand exist to enforce the laws. Which they do. A few go astray and do bad things but thats not what the police are about.
Are you confused about BLM and what they stand for?
But I keep asking. What law changes would address the issues they raise? Seems like nobody can answer that.
I'm worried the new police chief is gonna kowtow to the worse elements of DeBlasio admin. Hopefully this doesn't happen.
Hes not that kind of person. Im surprised he took the job. It might be interesting.
I'll be keeping an eye on the Sharpton types, if they still get angry that the new guy is "just as bad" as the old one... Then I'll feel better.
you mean like a law forcing the parents of these Predator children to be more responsible? good idea! reduce the need for such a police presence in the neighborhood ..., incredible
So clearly you don't understand the point plc. No problem, I didn't expect you would. What laws would have to made to achieve blm goals? None of which I'm aware. But then I don't think the goal is to pass a new law, is it?
Ive told you what I believe their goal is. You disagree. thats fine. Please tell me, what is their goal? What do you believe their goal is? What are they protesting?
I wonder how they feel about body cameras. What do you think?
she said their goal is to bring attention to a grave injustice
Richfield, OH 44286, USA
they don't say much about the Baby Daddies and husbands who should have been controlling those now deceased kids
What grave injustices?
cops shooting unruly teens
this might help.
Don, how do we, as a society, address these issues? Are there changes that need to be made and if so, what are some suggestions?
Body cams that somehow malfunction at the same time in the Alton Sterling case.
Bhavn, there ar many in your community that don't want body cams. It was one of the demands handed down this week by a coalition of BLM organizations.
What changes do you think BLM is seeking, if any?
I find this a very intriguing issue. What are the problems that the movement need addressed and what are some of the possible solutions. If there are any.
I don't understand this one
How Black queer and trans folks bear a unique burden from a hetero-patriarchal society that disposes of us like garbage and simultaneously fetishizes us and profits off of us, and that is state violence
How Black girls are used as negotiating chips during times of conflict and war
Grave injustices such as that poor guy in Minneapolis who got shot for reporting to the officer on a traffic stop that he was licensed to carry and was carrying. That's what they train us to do in the conceal carry class in MN.
Is that what happened?
I can say that I don't know what happened yet. The investigation is ongoing. Are you privy to something the rest of us aren't? I'd love to learn the details.
as much as i love to say you are a genuine idiot, you are intentionally getting this wrong.
I'm shocked that you would say that. LMAO. Please feel free to post your opinion.
Nothing? From anyone? Great.
not interested in chicken####ing. I said what I think needs to happen in my conversation with ami.
Not interested in chicken####ing either. Thanks. Have a great day.
I scoured that website and I can't see one hint about taking on more personal responsibility. absolutely nothing
keeping an eye on your kids helping them with school becoming a better example
Is ANYONE here interested in Chicken####ing?
BLM will overextend their message and "demands" and fall into the same obscurity as Occupy did. Which is a shame
I looked at what Don liked in Richmond Ca. Paying criminals to not commit crime. In a city of 100,00 thats a lot of money. In a city of 7 million, how can the taxpayer absorb that cost?
I wonder what other solutions are offered. Ive heard law changes, but im not sure what changes they recommend.
Most of the problems appear to require a societal change. How do we go about doing that?
would cost more to jail them.
is that all they did, or did you just pick the one piece that you don't like?
law enforcement changes
Thats all I found. I wish you would be willing to engage in conversation. Maybe we can all learn something.
because paying to prosecute and incarcerated is a much better use of tax payer funds.
there is 2 more things they did but I'll let you find those yourself.
thats all you found because that's all you were looking for. seems everyone else found the other info without me giving it to them. imagine that.
A lot of people have problems with paying criminals up to $1000 a month to not commit crime. Can you understand why?
What else do your links say? Counseling? I know that happens in NYC. I would assume it happens in most metropolitan areas. But without the intended results. No major drops in crime. Why is that?
the program has paid out an average of 70,000 a year. or the equivalent of jailing less than 3 people for a year.
it is capped at $9000 per person over an 18 month period. what would amount to 30% of the cost of incarnation for a year.
Mandatory police body cams would go a long way on both sides. Minneapolis is sued frivolously all the time for alleged police brutality. Where the body cams are used, those lawsuits go away quickly saving the taxpayer money.
Thats in a city of 100.000. In NYC that would be the equivalent of $5,000,000. Thats a lot of money
Then they could also avoid rewarding the people who sue by settling and paying them to go away, something none of us want.
And of course, police behavior is monitored during interactions with the public, helping prevent some incidents.
Some in the black lives matter have demanded no body cameras. What do we tell them?
This just makes sense to me, particularly in light of what I bet will amount to an overall taxpayer savings by preventing significant expenses associated with lawsuits by trolls.
imo that is prrtty cost effective. they have several criteria they have to meet through the first 6 months of the program before they are paid anything at all. They are not just handed money not to commit crimes.
"An end to the mass surveillance of Black communities, and the end to the use of technologies that criminalize and target our communities (including IMSI catchers, drones, body cameras, and predictive policing software)"
some blm have suggested no body cams, but the group itself is pushing for all to have them.
This would help in the police situation anyway, which is certainly the focal point of the blm protests. As to larger societal problems with racism, I don't even know what to say anymore. Clearly we've become a White Nationalist society overall.
I fully expect racism, misogyny, and jingoism to temporarily flourish under President Trump.
But it's the last gasp of a desperate former ruling class. If we can all hold our breath for four years, maybe things will improve.
ok, "nearly former" is probably accurate. We're not quite past it yet...they're still desperately trying to hang on, and they're convinced Trump is going to rescue their power.
It's an illusion, but we'll all suffer while waiting for it to end.
Don, what group? The link I posted claims to be a coalition from around the country. Is BLM an organization that makes official directives? I've read where it isn't and doesn't want to become an organization.
Doc, aren't you a part of that former ruling class? Well off white people?
I would be interested to see something like Richmond attempted in a major metropolitan city. If it works, that would be great. The dynamics are different in a city of 100k vs a city of millions.
where did you see they didn't want them?
ok. I read the one you posted.
i believe that has to do with the manner in which they are used. I will look further into that. that should be wanted by everyone black, white, yellow, cops included.
I agree. Body cameras only help present the facts.
does BLM promote self improvement via homegrown community initiatives?
The only problem I have with the link I provided is the question of who, or what is BLM. Is it an organization or a movement? each has its own advantages and pitfalls. But they cant have it both ways.
they are trying to have it both ways and that's part of the problem
But there are common themes. Among them, police "brutality" towards people, particularly men, of color.
That being a major theme, would you agree?
yes. I agree.
that issue being addressed will pay more dividends than simply eliminating most of the brutality.
the largest being a unified front between the cops and the community. no one wants to live in a crime infested area and the majority of the people in those areas are not criminals.
when that relationship is as it is, it makes it very hard for the police to do their jobs. and hard for the community to see that is what they are trying to do.
I agree. The vast majority of both want a positive environment and a positive outcome.
its hard to trust the police when even if you are not a criminal you are treated like one.
But how do we address the issues? There is a long history of mistrust between the minority communities and the police. A lot of it comes from the misunderstandings of each other. Call me Captain obvious. LOL
Is it a "who gives first" game? I hope not. The police of today are largely not the police of yesteryear. Many come from the same problem communities. With insight into both worlds.
What do you mean by "treated like one"? To me, being treated like a criminal means Im arrested and locked up. For no reason. I dont consider being stopped on the street being "treated like a criminal" IMO
My personal experience, I've been stopped several times. Ive never felt like a criminal. Maybe because Im not one. Maybe because Im respectful. I dont know. But thats my experience. We each have our own.
Ive dealt with #### cops and have had to maintain my composure. I understood the circumstances and realized that I wouldnt win a battle. I dealt with it afterwards with complaints.
i have been stopped several times as well. i am not a criminal and am always respectful to anyone. i have been put into the back of a cop car while they ran my stuff with my wife and young children in the car.
I have also had my car searched several times. my wife never realized until she was with me that the entire tone of my interactions with cops are night and day compared to hers
treated like criminal meaning being searched with no cause, talked to in a non respectful way, and just having very few positive interactions with cops.
I also spent a night in jail for trying to give a statement in a fight I witnessed. he told me to go away. I would not. i saw the fight and they only wanted to take statements from the one guys group of friends. When he was the one who instigated it
I think it hurts when cops jump to conclusions, and they do this way too often
in hanging out with a lot of different groups of people I am fully aware that if the cops searched my white friends as much as my black ones they would find much more. there are statistics on this as well, but I know this from personal experience
I have never once raised my voice or been combative with cops. the results have still been the same. i will say that since I cut my dreadlocks off I have had less encounters. my wife jokes about that. i think its the grey hairs coming in.
but I'm alive and have only had guns pulled on me once, so maybe playing nice has worked out.
I think its all a matter of perspective. I can say Im respectful but my actions may say differently. When we perceive injustices we sometimes create more problems than we need to.
just the fact that you feel reporting it later will help is entirely foreign to me. it may just be my perception of things and that is not reality, but it is what it is
Not an attack but I find your statement to be conflicting. You say youre always respectful but you refused to follow the officers orders. Thats not respectful. IMO.
if you met me you would know instantly. I am very respectful to everyone, even when they don't deserve it. was raised that way. one time is an aberration. several times is a trend.
Since the officer would only take the statements from a certain group and not you, Maybe it would have been best to approach it from a different angle. Taking your statement directly to the police station. Perhaps
I wonder if your statement was ever entered into the report. If not, what did you accomplish? If it did, was it worth the headache?
I wasnt there so I dont know what happened but oftentimes when people feel theyre being stopped and/or searched for no reason, theres a reason. Sometimes the person will know and wont admit it and sometimes
the person is completely unaware of the reason.
the judge threw it out. I did nothing wrong at all. trying to give a statement should not get you thrown in jail.
Lincoln, Coralville, IA
AMI, I think it hurts when anyone jumps to conclusions.
From our interactions here on VM you seem like a very respectful, reasonable person. At times a little sensitive but who isnt at times.
From what you said happened you didnt get arrested for trying to give a statement. It appears to me that you got arrested for not following a police order. I dont agree with you being arrested but lets realize what
it was for
I am not a criminal. I don't come off as a criminal. I speak well. I don't sag my pants. i don't have a hot temper. it's people like me being treated like this that causes the blacks to feel like they are treated unjustly.
you can explain it away all you want. it happens wayyyy too often and there are statistics that show that. You don't agree. thats fine. The vast majority of blacks having this feeling and being backed up by data says its not simply perceptions
We can agree that not all police act like this, cant we?
Im not explaining anything away. Ive actually agreed with most of what youve said.
so as long as police and much of the non black public think these things can just be explained away and the police have no culpability in it the longer groups like blm will be blocking traffic and making things as uncomfortable for everyone else as
Are you reading any of my posts? LOL!
it is for blacks. the sooner the problem is acknowledged and dealt with the sooner things will get better. Most times "that was wrong" is all blacks want to hear.
like when they shot the psychologists laying on the ground with his hands up trying to help the mentally disabled kid. instead of just coming out and saying that was wrong the police chief got up there and said "he meant to shoot the disabled kid
because he looked like the threat." yet with 3 bullets in him and supposedly not even being the one they were shooting at they still cuffed him. come on man. come on
no. not all police act that way. I think they haven't been trained to be a part of those communities. with the high crime they have been trained to go in and bust it up.
the commissioner in Richmond took a different approach which has benefited everyone. no cop or civilian shootings in 8 years
i got you plc. I'm not really saying anything you said is wrong. I'm just trying to point out that I and most blacks have not had that same experience with cops.
therefore our realities are very different. when our reality is being dismissed or chalked up to not seeing things correctly you can see how that would be frustrating. as frustrating as someone blocking traffic on your way to work
blocking traffic is one way to create divisiveness, just like an unwarranted stop and search
Elmhurst, IL, USA
Blocking traffic has an intent. To cause disruption to get attention. Unlike an unwarranted stop and search.
unwarranted stop and searches are wrong and are not nor should they be permitted. The question is, what constitutes an unwarranted stop and/or search? Who determines the validity? The person stopped? The police?
All blocking traffic does is make people mad at BLM and we're still left with no solutions.
I'd drive right through them as many have done. They have no right to restrict the free movement of 3rd parties. Has to be one of the most ignorant and stupid ways to protest anything that I've ever heard of. Dumb @sses.
@ 11 months ago
Hudson Exchange, Jersey City, NJ
1. It gets attention to their cause. 2. They might say that the police stopping them for no reason is restricting their free movement. 3. Protests that don't cause disruption aren't very effective.
why taco bowl? where does that come from?
Exchange Place North, Jersey City, NJ 07302
1 2 and 3 all true. Yet this methodology brings no one to their side and in fact turns people against them. Hence the ignorant and stupid.
DNC email leaks
Oh wow. I missed that one. lmao!
I've had a lot of fun with the one that says Hillary doesn't want her supporters to know about her wall st relationships. And that the best way to do that is to keep the people ignorant.
PLC, your new Sig is irony about this event?
too bad Trump is on the other side of this election. Republicans losing a golden opportunity.
as far as blocking traffic that is what protesters do. Protest by nature are not convenient for everyone as plc pointed out. of course you want to run them over because no matter what they did you would not like it, or just be appethetic towards it
they have had over 5000 protest. I bet you haven't heard of any of the ones where they didn't block traffic or do something extreme. That is simply the nature of protest. they are inconvenient.
I will say that even though I don't agree with all they do, and they might be turning some people off, there are actual discussions (not just here but everywher) about these issues that generally don't get talked about much
so at the end of the day "mission accomplished" just like Trump says "all press is good press." I do challenge you to point out these peaceful effective protest from the past that changed things. I am not aware of any of those.
non violent works. convenient does not
Bloomingdale, IL, USA
How are these going to change anything and what does change look like? We cant stop hate. We cant stop racism. We cant stop some cops doing bad things and we cant stop some people in any group from doing bad things.
How is another Tamir Rice prevented? Another Mike Brown? Another Eric Garner?
dont know how or what this will change, but it has put the relationship between police and the black community out there when most non blacks either didn't know or didn't want to know.
a problem can't be helped if it is not first acknowledged. Maybe it will help a situation like Eric Garner by better police tactics not escalating a situation that didn't need escalating.
i do know what they are doing is better than nothing being done.
ami non violent, but not convenient. sit ins are not convenient and get in peoples way. like blocking traffic.
i will agree non violent is a key though.
change imo, maybe not in blm, means community policing. the police can do better when it comes to blacks and minorities the disparities in how they go about handling those communities absolutely can change.
you may not be able to stop racism and hate, but you can make it clear there is no place for it in our law enforcement
Is there any change from within the community that would help? The vast majority of these "victims" were committing crimes that brought the police to them. Thats a big factor thats largely ignored.
yes. if you see it tell. gotta trust the police. the police can do the same with their own
it's time for the black community to rise up and get somebody to fix things for them?
is that where we're at?
and what if they don't? What if nobody fixes this for them?
it is my opinion that the woes of the African-American can be fixed almost overnight by themselves
I don't think it's an equal responsibility of problem. This is where we differ. You appear to put the majority of the responsibility in the police. I see it opposite.
There are some mutual issues such as reporting bad behavior. Both "sides" have a problem doing this and I can understand why. After they inform, they have to go back to their camps. Uncomfortable to say the least.
he said to don
Sometimes the results are deadly.
But which "side" (I hate using the word side) can claim the most bodies when it comes to retaliation for "snitching"?
It sucks that this country is so divided. I'm heartbroken that the political parties have split between pro police and anti police.
But it is what it is.
The publics perception goes a long way. Your instance where you were arrested is a perfect example. You felt (and I agree) that you were correct in your attempt to report what you knew. You perceived an injustice and
responded in a disrespectful manner that ended in an arrest. Whether or not the arrest was justifies aside, had you followed the orders, you wouldn't have gone through that horrible experience.
Negative perceptions of the police are harmful to yourself and to society as a whole.
Was that cop actually being deliberately biased? I don't know. I don't have his side. I have yours but you're obviously coming from your perspective where it's hard to be impartial.
But even if you're 100% correct, I don't feel you should have been disrespectful. Maybe you let emotion get the best of you. In the end, do you feel you won that battle? I don't.
Many enter any encounter with police with a level of hostility. That doesn't help. Had Eric Garner kept his cool (especially since he was dead wrong) he would be alive today.
There are times (any time is too many) where the police are outright criminal. I've gone back to the Volpe case as an example. And there are times the cops make horrible mistakes. As in the Diallo shooting.
Some are crimes. Most are not.
The South Carolina officer who shot the motorist for getting his wallet should be criminally charged with assault. I believe he was.
The other officer who shot the man after he tased the officer and ran away should be charged with murder. I believe he was.
The Baton Rouge officers who shot the guy resisting with a gun should be back on the street doing their job.
Sorry for the long rant. Thanks Don for an interesting and enlightening conversation. I'm sorry you didn't get to enjoy any chicken####ery.
don: what does Marcellus Wallace look like?
Systemic issues with Baltimore police conduct to be reported by DoJ:
well what did they do to bring this on themselves? and maybe the police should just not go over there if they have a problem with how the police do their jobs. You have to EARN your rights
Rock Island, IL, USA
Well some people insists that no matter the circumstances, each individual cop's actions must be individually judged. However, that isn't appropriate in every circumstance. This is one of those situations where group behavior, I.e. "systemic"
issues, strongly influenced individual behavior to the point of sharing significant blame and casting a shadow of culpability over the group as a whole.
In such circumstances it's fair to treat the entire group as a whole. As in: the Baltimore police acted unconstitutionally on an ongoing and consistent basis. Not individual cops...the whole organization.
not JUST individual cops
if that's the case then many articles on Baltimore cops are accusing minority officers of being unfair to minorities and calling it racism.. very interesting
pink, did you read what doc posted?
about organization instead of individual? yes and then skimmed through her link then researched the ratio of black to white cops . turns out it's about 50-50?
"The basis of BLM is bad policing. Not just a few. Thats what the movement is about. A corrupt system that targets blacks while protecting law enforcement."
Taco Bowl @ 7 days ago
@ 11 months ago
"Its about the perceived injustices in the criminal justice system.
-Taco Bowl @ 7 days ago
Organizing and marching about it doesnt make it true.
-Taco Bowl @ 7 days ago"
We have reports from Ferguson and now Baltimore that give validity to those perceived injustices, which appear to be systemic.
One of the more interesting examples being publicized is the forced public female cavity search.
A complaint was filed and little was done, feeding the perception of injustice.
The Baltimore DOJ report showed that blacks were targeted and there was "a cultural resistance to accountability" (protecting law enforcement).
So PLC's above statements are wrong on both counts.
Exactly my point above. Now can't you imagine that there were probably many good cops there that for squeezed out for not subscribing to the good ole boy ways? Maybe they got bad reviews and eventually were fired. Maybe they got disgusted and quit
...but you can easily see where once the balance tips in an organization, it will start consolidating around an adopted culture and exclude those who don't play by the adopted rules.
That's true of any organization of people. Here, the toxic culture took root and good people were almost certainly cleansed from the system as it consolidated around a punitive and racist operation.
(got squeezed out)
For example, Michael A Wood, Jr.
"And I still hold that Police Officers are held accountable for their actions. Just as much, if not more than the public."
-PLC @ http://yodamap.com/posts/81995
I refer you to Section IIIC of the above report.
Expect more crime in Baltimore.
Why should we expect more crime?
Just look at Ferguson. And Baltimore has had a major crime uptick anyway since Freddie Gray.
anyone see the protester that got ran over? be sure to watch till the end when they start saying "call the police". classic move
President Not Sure
@ 11 months ago
Wright City, MO, USA
In order to reform things, the report has to be published but in the short term I just see things getting worse as criminals and would-be criminals use it as an excuse.
so thats all you get out of that. it will make crime go up?
Ferguson is only 3 months into their new reform plan.
since it will make crime go up then maybe they should just continue as they have been because thats what they have to do to keep these people under control.
No it's not, that's just a sad thing that I believe will happen.
president not sure, because its too much to ask the police to do their jobs without discrimination. and asking that means you are against them.
Don you're generating conclusions from what I said
and you wonder why people are protesting. a report comes out saying the things they are pointing out are happening and that is the response. figures
Well is it not the truth
You know it's gonna get worse in Baltimore before it gets better
its not just what you said. its not just you. go to the publications reporting on this and see the response to it. its like the report doesn't exist. people doubling down on "they deserve it" and "don't ask for the police help then." gets old.
but I'm not surprised
Well that's not what *I* said. Is it?
how do cops treating blacks like #### decrease crime? If the cops feel like if they don't police like that they. ant police isn't that a huge problem?
maybe if they concentrated on stopping violent crime and gang activity instead of pulling people over and searching them for no damn reason there it wouldn't go up
It's really inconvenient though, don.
When did I say that?
I mean, for us white folk.
what I think is a shame is the people who are supposed to be serving and protecting feel like if they can't do it that way they should not do it at all.
drew. he posted the report. what was your first response?
what was your second response?
have you even addressed how ####ed up it is for the police to be operating in that manner.
a report is released detailing crap policing and the conversation (not just with you, but you did it too) goes straight to black crime
I just said something that's probably in everyone's head but is 'impolite' to say.
damn you think it's just criminals they are treating like this? thats why folks are pissed.
you said whats in everyones head? that's ####ed up isn't in everyones head. that is what is in everyones head. can you see how that is ####ed up too?
it's not about being impolite. its about dismissing that issue immediately to go to something else. like i said it's not just you. it is a pattern.
Of course folks are pissed. This was stuff they felt was happening and the justice dept confirmed it. Seems pretty common sense to me.
How's that dismissing the issue, was one comment and then Skål asked me why.. I said why
Better call the diversity committee cuz I committed some kinda microaggression and didn't address the thing that's supposed to be addressed first on the internet comment board. Sck of this shít.
Pretty sure black people in Baltimore didn't feel this was going on. They knew it.
who's in the gang majority?
Who has the highest percentage per capita of violent crime?
yes, like after the riots (no convictions) bpd is going to back down.
arrests will decline dramatically
Knew but couldn't prove Doc. So I said felt. Now they got the data.
Drew I know you had no ill will. Something like this gets released (its not the first) and the conversation goes straight to what the criminals are going to do. what about black crime. very very little is said about how ####ed up it is they are
operating like this. like those other issues somehow condone this behavior.
For justice's sake we need that report. BLM has legitimate beef. But the first thing I thought of was how Baltimore responded after Freddie Gray.
solution, a national Police force.
that way doj can direct how officers operate.
maybe disarm them, like England, blocks excessive use of force a bit
I have no idea the solution... All I know is there's no possible way to reform so quickly... In the meanwhile ####s gonna get worse or stay just as bad in Baltimore.. I would love to be wrong, would love it. Say in your face Drew, see
thanks h20 for fully taking it there. you guys enjoy your discussion. I just thought I should speak up about that because you are right drew. thats the first thing most non-blacks think. then many go staight h20 style. explaining it away.
Breached the protocol of what I'm supposed to think about first. I hate it when that happens.
it suck when people do what I just did. i get that. it also sucks when people don't acknowledge the issue being exposed. you have said it was an issue before. from what i have seen so far, not just here. a lot still don't and won't
Horn, University Heights, IA
I guess my head went there because I thought #1 ok this report is basically what I thought it'd be, #2 that really sucks, #3 and the even worse thing is in the immediate future the city will probably have an even worse crime flare up
To me that's actually the injustice upon the injustice that regular people in the city are gonna probably (and again, happy to be wrong) suffer.
I get where you're coming from Don, didn't like to be lumped in with random online commentaries that are no doubt pissing you off in the comment section of the articles about the report.
I don't think criminals are going to be any more emboldened by this. of course there will be probably be a lot of those commiting crimes saying they were discriminating thats what criminals do anyway
I hope those on the edge of criminality don't use it as an excuse to go further.. Or those thinking of pulling shít see it as a go ahead...
i do think it will turn blm up though
Cuz I guess that's what's been happening in Baltimore lately, it's gotten pretty bad, murder rates back to their bad old days in early 90s I think
they may get ignorant. not violent i don't think, but extremely loud. them making it to this election year is going to make things interesting. Honestly I think they might be working against themselves though. Eberybody they agitate is going to
definitely vote, and it will probably be for trump. best get out to vote he could possibly have. Hillary may get the Obama bump because of that too though.
I don't think the murder rates are up because of that though. i think it's heroin. Thats the new "designer drug" and it makes people crazy. so it makes already crazy people really dangerous.
for the people saying the financial comeback isn't what they say it is you could point to that as well. those at the bottom are the last to get jobs and "that life" is appealing to a young guy who nobody can't tell #### because they ain't got ####
either. and by sh!t. i mean a consistent dependable roof over you head. a toilet that works most of the time, and clean running water. I understand that with the right decisions someone can get themselves out of that, but at 12-14 making that
And then the father is God knows where, so kid's "father-figure" is some kinda bad-boy neighborhood mentor instead.
type of decision. tough. long story short, anybody that thinks this will allow them to get away with bigger crimes, were probably going to do those bigger crimes anyway.
father is in jail. or simply ain't got ####. truthfully if the father is not in jail and close in distance to the child, black father be around a lot.
a whole lot. they might not be with the mamma but they be around
of he has been in jail, that is not a good thing either. but they be around
Baltimore had a pretty drastic recent crime spike though. The kind of drastic crime spike that got predicted for NYC by the Post numerous times but luckily never transpired.
I know a couple big reasons why crime per capita is higher in urban neighborhoods:
1. War on Poverty
2. War on Drugs
yes. and yes. 2 really big ones
so don't, the elitist, you really don't think BPD won't back off the policing throttle, as occurred after the riots?
A lot of people weren't criminals up to the riots either, but than once the riots started, looting began and temptation set in.
Trying to justify all criminal behavior in the area as the primary fault of the cops, to me isn't rational .
This is, according to the report, nor a few cops, but the entire department committing racist policing.
If truly the case, consistently found by doj, in the majority of departments throughout the country, than why not a national Police force?
The war on drugs is a joke, take the penalties off, and let the chips fall were they may. (there's always going to be a black market)
This could be a long drawn out conversation filled with anger, accusations blatant dismissals and petty insults. I won't take part. I do have one question. If the BOD is so bad, why isn't anyone criminally charged?
I refer you to the entirety of section IIIC for the answer to your question. The answer is well documented there, if you want to look.
In case you need help finding the link
I can't read those God damn blue letters!
Bedford Heights, OH, USA
was Baltimore a riot. not so much
that is a riot
that is a riot
a cvc burned down...there were a few skirmishes, but baltimore was pretty tame. the coverage and riot gear made it seem worse. them "letting off the throttle didn't cause more damage or severe rioting. had they kept their foot on the throttle it may
have been worse. what exactly would it have looked like had they not "taken their foot off the throttle.
its also quite the stretch to think people who aren't criminals decided to loot since there wasn't much looting. but that perception is in line with the rest of what you say h20 so carry on.
you also must not have read up much on this because its not blaming cops for all criminal behavior at all. not one bit. maybe you should get a better understanding of what the report does and doesn't say
Don, those were *big* riots... There are such things as little ones right? I guess depends on how ya define it
@ 10 months ago
@ 10 months ago
I was an early supporter of Bane since populists are so in these days
@ 10 months ago
Drew there should be some distinction because those "big riots" were not the same as these little ones.
@ 10 months ago
You know what'd be great.... Both dem and repub nominees get locked up, and it'll be a match between the vp picks.
when I hear riot I think of the big ones
Be like a normal election or something.
My God did music in the mid 90s to ..... well pretty much now suck donkey balls
with a few exceptions of course
That song was seriously overplayed
it still makes me sick
I'm just guessing don't, I was a bit closer to Baltimore than you. part of the family lives there, many of my coworkers and their families live in the area.
@ 10 months ago
whether your a small or large business and you're burned and/or looted, you're near gunfire, molotov ####tails, windows smashed, property torn up, destroyed
I guess they'll be okay in the knowledge it wasn't really a riot, by Iowan terms.
thanks for the Iowa reference being that I have not lived in Iowa my whole life or even the majority of it. of course the businesses effected don't care how something is labeled. they suffer the same consequences.
however, you made it seem as if the police backing of made the situation worse and the riots bigger. being that these riots pale in comparison to those others that claim is quite the stretch.
the main point in all of this is if the police feel they cannot do their jobs unless they do it like this then who is the real problem? if police are "backing off" as to not seem racist or like bad cops or whatever the reason then why are they police
maybe many are unaware of these discrepancies and maybe now can realize the discrepancies. But what is that saying if a cop now says "I can't do my job because of this?" is that really part of the job? if it is then this report means even more.
they where "2" separate occurrences, as I originally stated.
1: Gray dies
2: No Police arrested
4: DA charges 6 cops (to stop riots)
5: cops back off policing neighborhood
That's what happened for about 2-3 months
Murders went up
assaults went up
robbery went up
neighborhood complained no Police presence
Police afraid of being charged for being in contact
i like how h20 claimed familiarity with baltimore by proximity.
and to the cherry poppin daddies, i was more of a squirrel nut zippers fan myself.
did you attend swing dancing classes?
police are afraid of being charged for being in contact. so no accountability? So nothing needs to change about the way they are policing? either deal with it or they won't do their jobs? man, what does that say about them if thats the case.
h20 will you at least take 1 post to directly address the claims made in the report? is the report erroneous? is this just how you have to police the black community?
the report is more correct than not.
I'm not siding with the cops, but I'm not going to worship a racist DA or Mayor trying to make names for themselves.
They clearly rushed to judgment and lost. What does that say about them?
But the results of any DOJ report are suspect, the agency isn't neutral at all.
What's Obama's record on rushing to judgment? 0 and 6, plus 8 dead cops?
@AMI - I hated swing classes for that reason.
@ 10 months ago
my argument is some cops, are racially bias and ignorant, but by rushing to judgment, half the facts, automatically assuming the "white cop" is wrong, gets you nowhere especially when you ignore/excuse the behavior that started it,
Adam, you're not more than an ignorant government dependant
a$$hole who's here because baby's mama needed cover,
you're an illiterate non-comprehending cowardly racist
try reading what I wrote, "once"
better yet, lie down and let the dog lick your face again
institutional. Backed up by numbers. Of an issue that those who live with it have known forever. that report wasn't about some individual incident where the "white cop" was blamed
don, have you ever seen the BB gun model Rice had?, do you know how close it resembles a 1911 45 call?
I point 1 or the other at you, you going to wait to see which one it is?
brown, hands up don't shoot, a LIE, but destroying a man's character,
its about a consistent pattern. did obama change the numbers they used to come up with the report? if the part of it that the report is talking about is taken care of, it will go a long way in the other issues not happening as well
threatening his life, presidential condemnation all are okay, just because he's white.
The Minnesota homicide, on the surface appears to be an overreaching cop.
Cops are now on notice from various racial groups that they are viable targets, yet you bitch when they don't present and easy target for them.
In the past year, at least 10 dead cops, and the killers claiming support for BLM.
not that tamir rice matters because obviously the word institutional is irrelevant to you, but why exaclty did they need to roll up on him close? did he have a hostage. was this gun even visible when they rolled up? did it ever get out of his waste?
you do have an understanding of what institutional means don't you. you do know there are several other cases where video has proven the coos reports were erroneous right? what are you even going over these specific cases for. you see them different.
BLM, BP all calling for "Dead Cops", President telling people to do what's necessary. ignore the behavior/act that started it.
I don't believe a cop gets up in the morning and says "it's a good day to kill a black boy"
50% of cops charged in freddie gray death were white, 50% were black, how was it racist for a da to charge them as white cops?
fine. I'm sure you think Sandra bland just shouldn't have been so smart mouthed to, and deserved to be handled like that.
you need to stop projecting
So what starts the chain of events?
wtf are you talking about? there has not been more police shootings than any other year. cops are still more likely to be shot by a white guy. and neither of the recent cop shootings had anything to do with blm.
I'm gonna need you to start saying where you get this crap from. you just gone pull stuff out your ass?
one of the cops killed in new orleans was black, cops in fresno just killed a white kid not long ago.
maybe cops should have to answer for shootings of civilians like you do?
you know, for when you kill a black kid.
h20 gets everything from his ass, its why he cant source any of it.
a doj report isn't going to to provide overnight changes unless you combine it with federal takeover/direct oversight..
Baltimore's case, takeover and start over is the only realistic path
either way you go, Cops are going to back off policing
answer the question
If a cop's reaction to having a mandatory body camera is to "back off", as you put it, then that cop probably should back off. Part of the reason I believe in mandatory body cameras for all cops.
@ 10 months ago
Your idea of a national police force is interesting, Mr. States Rights. A centralized federal police force (aside from de facto police like the FBI, BATF etc.), terrific. Nice expansion of federal executive power h2o, at taxpayer's expense.
Do you ever think beyond the first layer of any idea that you hear? Also do you have an actual ideology? Because you don't seem to understand what your supposed views even stand for.
[sarcasm escapes many]
@ 10 months ago
If the cop has the body cam and he's pursuing someone legitimately, why would he back off? Wouldn't the cam be evidence that he *was* acting appropriately? Body cam would have disproven hands up, don't shoot, right?
Took forever for that bubbameister to get knocked down and STILL whenever media discuss Ferguson they often don't even make a mention of the DOJ's Michael Brown report. Only the other report.
Both are important I think.
I think BLM types need to stop having OJ Simpson supporter syndrome and if they get it wrong, or things are more complicated- own the fúck up to it. There are enough legitimate issues that you don't have to go down a Tawanna Brawley path.
Regarding Freddie Gray, there does seem to have been negligence regarding restraint... However, that isn't murder so the only reason the cops were saddled with that charge was for political reasons.. Mosby knew she didn't have the goods.
I don't think doing that kinda crap helps at all. Couldn't Mosby be disbarred?
I don't believe H2O said the police will back off because of body cameras. That appears to be docs version of what H2O said.
That's right, good job plc. h2o just said they'd back off. I said, of a body cam makes them back off it's a good thing.
Drew, what I was trying to say was this. If a cop with no body cam is made to wear one, and being forced to wear it causes him to change his behavior, then his behavior prior was probably out of line.
Also, Freddie Gray was a classic shake n' bake...common move by the cops. Handcuff then fail to restrain then drive around recklessly to toss the person around in the back. Hard to trace the cause of injury.
we should make politicians wear body cams huh?
@ 10 months ago
Hudson, OH 44236, USA
I think Gray was subjected to the lesser known move Shake and Break.
Downers Grove, IL, USA
funny, court found no evidence of shake and break.
"Not Guilty" all counts
and the judge listed why
where did I mention body cams?
I'm in favor of them though, as most seem to support the officer's version more times than not
"back off policing" comment references the fact that BPD officers wouldn't/didn't enter the area of the "protest" on patrol, didn't leave their vehicles to investigate suspicious occurrences, wouldn't investigate a citizens help call until minimum..
... of 2 cars on scene.
they backed off so much, citizens were calling the mayor to ask how they could get improved policing.
Cops biggest fear, wasn't getting shot, it was being accused and jailed with no evidence, only an accusation.
Darren Wilsons life will never be the same.
I completely agree that body cams protect police also. Some arrested people cry police brutality and bring frivolous lawsuits to try and extract a settlement from the taxpayers.
...and I am quite certain, having seen no statistics, that this happens about two orders of magnitude more often than actual police brutality of any sort (racially motivated or not). Cops are there to do a job after all.
So think about how much money it would save us, the taxpayers, if we were to mandate body cameras: the reduction in defending these suits and paying off nuisances would be substantial.
I'd have to think the body cam programs would pay for themselves. Seems like such a win for everyone...I don't understand why everyone isn't rushing to do it.
As a taxpayer, I'd rather pay for the cameras than pay for attorney fees and payouts to asshóles trying to game the system for a buck.
makes sense to me
Question. How did opposition to body cameras become the topic here? Has anyone here opposed body cameras? Does the report state that opposition to body cameras is an issue?
Not saying anyone is opposed on this forum, in fact it's helpful to make my point if no one is opposed.
My point is that it would actually help solve so many issues, why are we not implementing this now now now?
Some in the black lives matter have demanded no body cameras. What do we tell them?
Taco Bowl @ 9 days ago
you brought it up initially
Chaska, MN 55318, USA
As taxpayers we should be demanding this. blm should make it a major focal point of their cause if what they want is equal treatment by the police. Mandatory body cams, ON whenever the cop is on duty. Some like to switch them off and say
there was some technical issue. Do not provide an OFF switch or provide backups so no excuses.
You're ok with the department having video of cops using the bathroom? I'm not.
I don't care about that personally, but I suppose there would have to be a way to deal. Sure.
can citizens conduct searches and seize suspicious assets from the police? can we set up public cameras in police stations and negotiation rooms? how would things change if we could?
has anyone here ever been a cop? I have been a security guard for concerts and events (second job to meet women). I found out after dealing with that shìt for 1 summer I turned into the àssholes that I hated.
President Not Sure
@ 10 months ago
I could not imagine dealing with what a cop deals with everyday that you would not change for the worse.
there has to be a way to decompress after a certain amount of time in the field.
Some people are cut out for it and some aren't. If I were a geriatric nurse I'd shoot myself after a day. But my sister in law has done it for 20 years.
haha plc is such a tool.