Should a distinction be drawn between discrimination laws regarding gay rights and transgender/gender identity rights?
@ almost 2 years ago
DeKalb County, GA
I think they should be treated completely separately.
@ almost 2 years ago
Conley, GA 30288, USA
I support gay marriage rights, but am opposed to transgender and especially gender identity bathroom rights.
South River Gardens, Atlanta, GA
I can't help feeling that it's somehow disingenuous for a man to claim he's a woman.
how did you arrive at that conclusion?
@ almost 2 years ago
Cerritos, CA, USA
Hey Racer. What would you recommend in Arlanta? Coca Cola? Braves/Dodgers? Centennial park?
@ almost 2 years ago
When it comes to hermaphrodites, they should have some leeway; however if we are talking about people who are "gender fluid", we should really draw that line.
@ almost 2 years ago
White Bear Lake, MN, USA
gender fluid implies some indecision. I don't think that's what racer is talking about.
Southwood, Torrance, CA
no, I was specifically thinking of the new North Carolina law restricting use of multiple occupant restrooms and locker rooms.
Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA
They're attempting to prohibit people of the opposite sex from being in an room where there is likelihood of someone being in a state of undress.
The language of the bill is terrible, in my opinion.
"Biological sex. – The physical condition of being male or female, which is stated on a person's birth certificate."
We've had this discussion briefly in the past (skal, inexorable, and myself), but it's on the rise again.
@plc - I think your gender at birth should determine which restroom you use for life.
hermaphrodites would need to be addressed in a case by case basis
I should have asked, is your feeling based on anything objective?
South Redondo, Redondo Beach, CA 90277
men are men
women are women
saying you have a penis...but you feel as though you're a woman...that's subjective
I was talking about the word "disingenuous".
: not truly honest or sincere
Mountain Park, GA, USA
Being male...but claiming to be female...is objectively disingenuous
I feel that homosexuality (regardless of whether or not you support it) is honest. it's a dude admitting he likes other dudes
Stone Mountain, GA 30087, USA
I feel that transgenderism (and especially this concept of gender identity) is inherently dishonest.
it's falsely claiming to be (and wanting others to label you as) something you're not
how can you say it's objectively disingenuous? objective by what standard? From here it looks like pure opinion.
because a man is a man
a man claiming to be a woman is, by definition, disingenuous
Lilburn, GA 30047, USA
I feel like we're talking in circles here
it's objective by a genomic standard
when a baby is born, is a gender confirmed on their birth certificate?
if so, how does the hospital medical staff make that determination?
is it an opinion?
I get your point. think of your own sincerity though. how would one ascertain it?
if a woman has her breasts removed, and a penis installed, would that say anything about her sincerity being a man trapped in a woman's body?
is truth determined by how sincerely a belief is held?
Snellville, GA, USA
boys have a penis and girls have a vagina
@ almost 2 years ago
Strongsville, OH, USA
wait a minute, penis installed? Do they use cadaver penises or something? Penises penis! Penis !!!!!
I'm desensitizing myself to the word
don't be a dìck.
now you're talking about truth? Can we finish with disingenuous? If someone demonstrates sincerity with behavior (our only means of testing sincerity), then can't they sincerely say "I am a woman trapped in a man's body."?
I was talking about Pink not having, sorry, being a díck.
they're saying they're a woman. they're not.
Winder, GA 30680, USA
That's the dishonesty. claiming to be something they're not.
they're not a woman.
I actually agree with that. but I also believe there is something to "gender identity".
I don't see it as dishonesty.
if you used the word inaccurate, I'd wholeheartedly agree.
It's inaccurate to say a man is a woman...but not dishonest?
@ over 1 year ago
@plc - sorry, I thought you were asking me what I thought about how Atlanta public restrooms should be treated in regards to gender identity. just reread you comment
If you're coming to Atlanta, there's a ton of shït to do downtown. The aquarium is really badåss. World of coke is alright for a quick run through.
If you check out the Braves at Turner field, you can brag that you saw one of the last games played there. They're building a new stadium and moving the team slightly out of Atlanta city limits.
If you come down, let me know, we can grab a bite to eat and have a drink.
They built one of those huge Ferris wheels, the SkyView, like that one in London. Cirque du Soleil has a show going on.
There's all kinds of touristy bullshït to do.
how about FEMA detention camps? Lots of them in Georgia according to this ( and no dirty words in the link )
@ over 1 year ago
mannned with guards and staff but no prisoners so they say anyway. you were trying to change the subject right Racer :-)
yeah, I think transgender people should use the bathroom of their birth gender, even at FEMA detention camps.
Thanks for getting us back on topic.
doesn't bother me much I'm cool with the world going nuts being born in the wrong body will be pretty pitiful I guess. But actually if I was a beautiful woman I would be a beautiful lesbian
(would be not will be) I don't use periods anymore either
maybe sometimes people wake up in the wrong body? perhaps it isn't always at birth... redundancy I give up
What's that after the word "guess"?
I didn't say every time
I guess I kind of did
perhaps I meant from this point on so that's it from this point on no more periods.
menopause is a great thing
so I've heard and one thing for sure it is great being a male
I guess a situation like the Titanic would be a good test regarding transgenders
but it's such a cruel world and we can feel so much pain so I'm an anything-goes guy
but I always argue " what's the next step"
are we at the limit now?
what if we went as far on gun rights as we've gone on gay rights?
that's a stupid analogy scratch that
If it were legal, would you marry your gun?
I would have to read the contract but absolutely especially if that baby couldn't be forced to testify against me
but I think it's absolutely wrong to force people to host anything to do with gay( period ) there are books that promise hell for all eternity for that
need to rewrite the Bible in a few more years everything will be fine also no history of slavery yeah yeah repeat mistakes just trying to fit in, totally gay
that's very insightful. thanks for your thought provoking contribution.
I enjoyed that.
racer, are you saying that anytime someone says something inaccurate, you consider it dishonest?
@ over 1 year ago
Artesia, CA, USA
If they know it's inaccurate, and say it...yes.
and if they don't know / think / believe it's inaccurate?
Encino, Los Angeles, CA
they don't know they're a man?
do they think that's an Italian salami dangling between their legs?
some don't have a penis anymore. some don't acknowledge that that has an impact on their gender.
I'll be at Hooters on Peachtree tonight.
@ over 1 year ago
I gotta take care of a school thing with my daughter. you gonna be around tomorrow?
so, if you cut your penis off...your no longer a man?
how is gender determined?
Flying back tomorrow.
Visited Coke world and the Aquarium. Got to the civil and human rights museum too late. Checked out the Ferris wheel. Wanted to check out Olympic park but there's some construction going on.
"how is gender determined?"
gender =/= sex
@ over 1 year ago
The World of Coke is alright, but the Aquarium is top notch. They spent a bundle on that place. That biggest salt water tank with all the whale sharks is fücking unbelievable.
Jefferson, GA, USA
The wife got family passes, and the kids love to go over and watch the dolphin shows and the sea lion exhibitions. They serve beer there, so I'm good to hang out.
It seems gender is determined the same way attraction is determined.
You got time for coffee in the morning? If you're staying downtown, there's a cool 24 hour diner that has great breakfast right down from Hooters (Metro Cafe).
Are bathrooms assigned by sex or by gender?
Are you Reserve? Are you getting deployed?
I have a friend in the Reserves...and he was in town a few weeks ago to do some training class prior to deployment.
Only here two days...stayed downtown.
Seems very similar to your visit.
there you go! that's the question that's being asked!
traditionally we've made the assumption that humans if the same sex wouldn't be sexually attracted to each other, or that gender and sex were naturally synced.
many of those assumptions have been challenged of late.
I don't care who you're attracted to. I think men should use the men's restroom.
I think your DNA determines whether or not you're a man...not how you feel.
Why did we assign bathrooms to different sexes to begin with?
My hunch is it had something to do with attraction.
you can certainly tell who doesn't have kids, and believe pedophiles are misunderstood
@ over 1 year ago
Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA
Racer you show a complete lack of understanding of this issue. I think a lot of people felt about gay people as you are expressing regarding transgender. It's a choice, it's not natural, a person should be this way not that.
@ over 1 year ago
Lakeland, MN 55043, USA
People felt that way about gays 30 years ago...in fact it was the prevailing attitude I do believe. Hard to believe someone would have made the choice then to be gay, isn't it, what with all the discrimination. Gay men got beaten and killed because
they were gay.
Fast forward to today...the transgender issue will go the same way. Understanding just has to be pounded into people's heads sometimes.
And by pounding, I mean getting them to stop passing stupid fúcking laws designed to fix "problems" that do not actually exist.
Transgender is not new! Where do you think those folks have ALWAYS gone???
@h2o - trans =/= pedophiles.
Nice try though
give water brother a break...it's in his script!
nice try, skal/low water...
pedophiles can now use this excuse to gain access..
example: male teacher, gets access to girls locker room/rest room, all he has to say is he feels like a woman
it will happen
as much as I despise the slippery slope argument, I'm concerned with something happening like what H2O describes
@doc - I admit to having a lack of understanding on this issue. I'm trying to figure it out.
I have a difficult time referring to Bruce Jenner as "her".
Maybe it's just me...but it seems dishonest.
No matter how many surgeries he has...he'll never be female. In my mind, I can't get past the obstacle that he's still just a man in a dress.
I spoke with a gay friend of mine about this yesterday. he recommended I watch the movie "The Danish Girl" for some insight into the mindset of a transgender person.
"sense 8 "also Racer , possibly more exciting. you've been tainted by Bruce Jenner a terrible example. I've seen the light, I'm one of the enlightened ones , become one with us
sense8, lots of men kissing too! you'll scream a few times but you'll come out better MAN.so be a man,man up
Danish girl isn't on Netflix try "tangerine"
just kidding! Don't do it!
@h2o - http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article70255967.html
Commonly cited fear with no supporting evidence.
I agree with you though racer. Bruce is not the same as a woman who is synced. bathrooms are just the tip if the iceberg though I think.
the conversation is important.
@Racer, H2O - I understand the fear in that scenario...it comes back to the teacher's attraction to the minor. Right?
How's that different than a gay/lesbian gym teacher still in the closet?
what you're missing,,, the perp isn't a tranny,,, he's pretending to be one to gain access. And now you're enabling him/her.
Fort Belvoir, VA, USA
that's not missing. I understand your discomfort though.
Undr is correct. That's not missing.
what's missing though is any evidence of that happening anywhere that permits transgender bathroom use.
what's missing is now it's legal & known to perps, and nothing can stop them
You should read the polifact article.
It's been legal in other places and that hasn't happened.
It's been legal pretty much forever. It's just that now people are raising a stink about it. Like the voter id laws, these are solutions that don't solve any problem the purveyors can actually demonstrate occurs.
The only reason you would know a T was using your restroom was if they passed that law and suddenly Steve started heading for the ladies' room.
I guarantee that each and every one of you gentlemen has shared a public restroom with a T person.
I work with a T, and one of my meta-kids is a T. I know the damage and the severe pain these kind of laws would cause them. They both have to work around people who would probably hate on them if they were outed. Just like gays used to be.
evil, who's talking about trannys, we're talking about pedophiles now know all they have to do, is declare sex of choice and gain full access.
skal, just because data hasn't been collected, does not mean it's never going to happen.
no data on doctors who purposefully kill a patient on the or table, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
That's a nonsense rebuttal.
There's more then one person in the OR. Unexpected deaths are investigated, especially intraoperative.
That said, yes absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
However, inability to find even one case means this argument is being a little overplayed.
but its a bathroom, isnt it where you #### and piss? racer are you checking for penis in bathr... wait nevermind
@ over 1 year ago
i fail to see why h20 thinks a bathroom sign stops a rapist like gun laws stop criminals.
is there a tranny on female bathroom assault epidemic im not hearing reported by the liberal media?
are we stopping her from using the womens restroom? https://s-media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/7a/fc/21/7afc212f438a9176717ef43a5d3d445d.jpg
are we making him use the womens restroom? http://i.imgur.com/Hdj9smI.png
or are we only bothering to make an example out of the uggos?
lord forbid we let ####gots use the womens restroom, they might touch those women!
have you hardened your previous stance? that only reasssignment surgery should allow for use of different bathrooms? this current tack you are taking completely eliminates that old argument.
you allow for special assignment of hermaphrodites so you actually acknowledge sometimes physical parts get ####ed up but you dont think the brain can do that to?
i mean, almond milk isnt milk. maybe you dont like it with the other milk but it sure as hell aint going to keep long with the regular almonds.
you could watch this video clip just ignore the horrible SJW article. http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/04/22/inside_amy_schumer_s_season_three_3_premiere_interview_with_bailey_jay_encourages.html
i mean how uncomfortable do you want to make wendy williams in real life while the real trannys are taking a #### in the womens bathroom?!
i read a book by an author named janet mock, it was called redefining realness, she had tried to assert in this book that she was a female despite being assigned a gender at birth because of male genitals.
when i read that i knew she was objectively wrong, like you state, you also have a Y chromosome. on the otherhand why do you want her in the mens bathroom? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqNFVm5IcAI2yV3.jpg
i think when you force these women into the mens bathroom based on bull#### criteria you actually INCREASE the violence that never existed before, you are forcing them into a situation when an assault on them is more
likely than the imaginary assaults that never happened before.
we're NOT arguing trannys, dumb fùck
water brother, the OP is about transgender and gay rights, and how / if there should be some kind of discrimination.
you keep bringing up pedophilia, which is off topic.
start a new topic if you feel there's value to having a discussion about that.
Is it off topic?
liberal denial, the. issue is discussion on Transgender rights to use any restroom of choice. ie males can use females restroom, locker room, just because say they feel like a woman today. DIRECTLY leads to providing safe access for pedophiles, etc
Like Josh said, "i fail to see why h20 thinks a bathroom sign stops a rapist like gun laws stop criminals."
I don't think anyone is denying anything. create a new topic. let's discuss.
If a bathroom sign didn't stop pedophiles before, it's not going to stop then now. Also why the transgender fear? This exact strategy was set forth when gay rights were at issue and you idiots bought the whole line. Now that you realize the gay
fearmongering was just that, you're going to fall completely for the exact same story, only with a new icky type of bogeyman? Yes, that's sound logic certainly.
Even Racer, ready to go pass judgment and publicly humiliate those who are different because it seems icky to him. these people sure know how to play to your baser instincts. Ew, different! Week three joke is on all of you because trans have be en
and are among you right now. But like gays, you just don't usually know it. Even more so with trans than gay...more hidden usually.
Oh, the ignorance!
are you bemoaning your lack of knowledge?
Are you speaking to yourself again?
In case you're not talking to yourself but rather trying (unsuccessfully) to be witty, I'm bemoaning your ignorance as displayed on this thread. Not only yours, but yours especially.
I love you too, but do you have anything to add?
Walteria, Torrance, CA 90505
I added my observation of your ignorance. You should appreciate that.
actually h20 is an idiot and so are you plc.
although on this issue i dont see that you even stated an opinion so i have to rely on past record.
i on the other hand am a ####ing genius, i have been thinking all day about my almond milk analogy and i have realized im ####ing brilliant. i will let anyone use that free of charge.
the reason h20 is an idiot is that he thinks letting transgender people use the bathroom they identify as leads to more kid ####ing is absurd for one simple ####ing reason.
we dont segregate bathrooms by age, its by gender.
its such a simple reality that i dont even know how you dont understand that pedophiles are pissing in the same bathrooms as kids every ####ing day, im sure right now a pedophile is taking a massive #### next to a kid.
your propositions do nothing to protect children because you arent proposing to keep adults out of kids bathrooms. you are proposing to create unenforceable laws to keep ####gots out of whatever bathroom you chose.
The ignorance just keeps a comin'!
this is an issue about child molestation like your breakfast was about child molestation.
i have a fun story i want to add about this and plc wont believe its true because its a fact and not an opinion and its not about his favorite color.
i have engaged people in this debate (and i always win because im right) several times. my favorite time i was talking to a manager who is black and who thinks the same as you guys because hes equally as uninformed.
hes got a deadpan sense of humor and likes to play with his pocketknife, he was getting mad because i was winning and i know he wasnt serious but he pulled out his pocket knife and threatened to make me a woman
so i could "use the womens bathroom" to which i responded to the others listening to this conversation. "why are you people always so violent? i think we need to have separate bathrooms for blacks just to feel safe."
If you were white that would be an issue. Nobody takes mexicans serious.
like you plc when you are talking to puerto ricans and loan officers i can be whatever i want to be to suit the occasion.
But youll never be black. No matter how hard you try.
do you have anything to contribute on the topic?
You mad bro?
no i just want you to #### off but you are kinda at that level of mental disability you dont get hints either.
see, you even think you are succeeding at your favorite tactic of flooding away information, this is your MO, you think if you wipe away past comments peoples attention spans will keep them from even reading them.
but for this topic it doesnt matter, because debate isnt actually needed, at this point its a numbers game but im not really interested in conversion because i know im right.
youre like a child trying to engage people who are talking about grown up #### and its just tiring that you keep popping up with absolutely nothing to add to the conversation.
sure you enjoy this and maybe thats fine, but you should really just grow up or #### off.
Yeah. You're mad.
Let that anger out. GRR! Let it out! Life has been cruel to you. Release that pent up anger on an anonymous app where you can claim anything you wish! Go for it kid. Let that anger out. I hope it helps.
Your complete ignorance is impressive. I'm used to the normal levels of ignorance spewed here. But you take it to a new level. Arrogant ignorance. Angry, arrogant, ignorance. Its quite entertaining.
Try these meditation excercises. They'll make you feel better. But not about yourself. Theres no hope there. https://youtu.be/qS7nqwGt4-I
I don't blame you for being frightened to state your position on this issue, PLC. it's a sticky wicket.
Im too busy laughing at your ignorance. And the irony of your post.
I understand your fear. being judged is scary.
Thanks. I feel better now. LMMFAO!
maybe adam, would feel differently if his kid got ass raped. On 2nd thought, he wouldn't, he apologize and blame the cops.
your court Adam
The invoice is in the mail, PLC. I accept credit or check. night my friend.
Bringing rationale and logic to another topic I was frustrated about.
Re: Almond Milk
That shït is an abomination, and shouldn't be tolerated in ANY section of the grocery store. The pure white milk should drag it into the aisle, beat it unmercifully, and leave it to spoil.
...does almond milk spoil?
I'm beginning to see a different perspective regarding transgender bathroom issues. I just have a difficult time wrapping my mind around a dude wanting to be a chick.
The Libertarian in me says he/she should be free to behave in whichever manner he/she chooses, as long as it's not harming others. My previous position was that the presence of a tranny in a bathroom was somehow harmful to others.
Now, I'm trying to sort out how exactly that's harmful to others.
...and where do we draw the line between harmful...and potentially harmful.
so...with proper medical documentation, a person can have their birth certificate altered to reflect their reassigned gender.
This means Dave can become a woman, change his birth certificate, seek out and marry Bill...and Bill is completely unaware that his wife is actually his husband.
That seems fücked up to me.
My mind keeps circling back to the dishonesty of the issue.
For many the issue isn't with the "legitimate" transgender person. There are some who truly believe their genitalia and their "soul" don't match. That they should have been born with or without certain body parts.
This mental disorder exists in some people. And to me, that's fine. If they're ####ed yo they're ####ed up. That doesn't mean they're kid touchers like Josh. They just wish they were physically something they're not.
And some go to the extreme and actually have the physical altered to match how they "feel" inside. This person isn't the issue. Not to me. My issue is with the perverts like Josh who can now use this as an excuse to
"hang out" in the ladies room stall and get his jollies off on your daughter as she takes a dump. This gives them access that they've never had before and that alone makes it interesting to them.
Why would we make things easier for pedos?
What bothers me is reading a person like Lorie say that "a bathroom sign didn't stop a pedophile before". With her history, you would think she'd be done with enabling these people. Apparently not.
can't we discuss legitimate transgender as well?
...or is everyone conceding that they should be allowed access to the public restrooms of their preferred gender?
I'm the only person who had an issue with it???
I have an issue with it but not based on the transgender person but rather the opportunity it affords others. As someone said, transgender a have been using whatever bathroom they've wanted to forever.
Why the need for a change now?
so, it was just me
Some have suggested a 3rd bathroom. Would that be acceptable?
I guess the "Family" bathroom already meets that criteria.
I'm places where they exist. Most places don't afford that option.
They should just have a penis bathroom and a vagina bathroom. Nobody cares what you "identify" as.
or just make all bathrooms unisex.
Malaga Cove, Palos Verdes Estates, CA 90274
PLC, I think there's value in having a conversation about your concern, but it's not related directly to this topic. it's more of a distraction. it's why I encouraged you to start a new topic.
Are uou the moderator here? How did that happen? Where you assigned, appointed or elected? Or did you appoint yourself hall monitor?
just making suggestions. don't like them? ignore them, or berate me, or call me names, or give me praise, whatever.
Acworth, GA, USA
my wife doesnt like it either, but its because she can be easily scared by those things, when people shout no men in womens bathrooms its easy to scare women who already feel insecure when theyre pushing out a log.
thats the manipulation involved, nobody is saying "no women in mens bathrooms!" that sounds kind of enticing, but for a subset that overflushes the toilet just to muffle the echo of the bowl it can scare them.
@plc - the "penis" and "vagina" bathrooms concept is still ambiguous. this issue is nuanced.
Sandy Springs, GA, USA
even ones resulting from surgery?
The discussion requires...discussion
the whole pedophile argument is a canard. pedophiles are not barred from using public bathrooms, they are barred from ####ing children. theyre using bathrooms with children right at this moment, nothing is changing.
the difference is that you want it to be illegal for a trans person to use the bathroom they want, thats the ####ing difference plc, if you are saying that they should keep doing it anyway and if they can pass its cool
then you are turning that person into a criminal, needlessly.
which according to your criteria in past arguments is the only requirement for them to be killed.
geroge michael used the right bathroom, thats not why he got in trouble.
i have an idea though plc if you are so upset about making sure men are using mens bathrooms, you can cut a hole in the stall and people can stick their penis into the hole and you can personally check.
that's a glorious idea
Norcross, GA 30093, USA
A i.e. is bathroom. Natural or surgically implanted. Vagina bathroom. Natural or surgically created. No temporary penises allowed.
If you want to buck nature with your identity, face the knife.
you don't like the idea of a unisex bathroom? If not, why not?
I do not. For the same reasons I listed above. Why you you oppose male/female bathrooms? How do you feel about the 3rd bathroom option?
I considered third rail, but that brings up the whole "separate but equal" issue, and adds complexity.
when I visited Japan, there were several unisex bathrooms...particularly at historical sites. no one seemed to be bothered by them.
I don't oppose male female bathrooms, but as you can see, everyone's getting a bit crazy about it.
A third bathroom for people opposed , simple as that..
luxurious and clean
sorry to make YOU feel like an outcast kind of attitude
a plink bathroom for you!
if anyone feels like an outcast it's me
If the doors in the stalls hid more, it'd be ok with unisex bathrooms. BUT seriously, they have to fix the exposure problem first.
otherwise I guess we are back to genitalia checkers posted by each bathroom door. oh wait that still wouldn't work would it. How would you know if that person was a man at birth if he had his dick cut off?
Ok so I guess we have DNA swabbing monitors at each bathroom, and you have to hold it until they do a genetic analysis. Yes, this is a terrific idea.
Tell the person who had the dick cut off to go use that urinal. Good for some laughs sure! Oh and I can't wait to see a person with a deep voice, a beard, and no tits in the ladies' room. no that totally wouldn't worry me at all!
dr. Evil you are one classy dame!
the whole thing about this argument is it makes me laugh that iran is more progressive than the republican party.
they dont make separate toilets for men and women, theyre the same toilets, there is no reason why one would require another since it looks like you fully acknowledge that these people are in fact transgendered.
you are just choosing an arbitrary criteria to create the hurdle, i didnt know your scientologist religion forbid gay rights.
man this is funnier than the Special Olympics!
you were just touting Iran's progressiveness . are you having a stroke or something?
did you know that in Iran they accept being trapped in another body AND
gays are " coerced " into reassignment surgery?
Iran doesn't make separate toilets! What the hell!
honestly with the dick problem those men have over there and you say they don't have separate bathrooms! Got a link?
you can find more evidence of George HW Bush being involved in 911... much more
hah! funny. :-)
Harbor Gateway North, Los Angeles, CA
what the hell are you talking about pink?
YOURE RIGHT REPUBLICANS YOU ARE SO GREAT AT BATHROOM LAWS! http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/511147/Lesbian-forced-to-leave-women-bathroom-police-refuse-to-believe-she-is-woman-female-video
Why didn't she show ID?
probably because they were activists and wanted to embarass the state of north carolina. why police state johnny? should we show id to take a #### in your america?
Police state? She wants to look like a man but then gets offended when somebody thinks she looks like a man. LOL! You cant make this #### up. All she had to do was show ID. She wanted drama and she got it.
America: land of the free*
*ID required to take a poop
Do you have a name for your strawman?
notice to all travelers if you are male but look feminine or female and look masculine, have you id on you at all times or you may not be allowed to poop.
@ over 1 year ago
Iowa City, IA, USA
omg...didn't a bunch of countries already warn their citizens about that...that straw man has already come to life.
Or a notice to all. If youre trying to look like the opposite sex, refrain from getting butt hurt when somebody thinks you look like someone youre actively trying to look like.
wendy williams is in deep ####.
PLC, I assume your point is she should have shown her ID because the officer asked for it, not that she needed to show it to use the toilet.
are officers responsible for making sure the correct humans are using the correct waste collecting facilities?
Can one be arrested for using the wrong one?
That reminds me of Jeff Dunham's Singapore show.
so I went down the rabbit hole of a Google search regarding legalities of gender / sex / and bathroom use. they're doesn't seem to be any clearly defined law (until now), and the biggest concerns were indecent exposure and rape.
oh, and lewd behavior. it became clear that the gender monikers were not a barrier for any.
thinking about it, I bring my daughter into the bathroom with me sometimes, and she may be "exposed" to male genitalia at the urinals.
Trans make up a Micro percentage of any group.This is only a issue because the Extremists on the left need another cause which wasnt needed
Free Thinker Loves Jesus
@ over 1 year ago
Putnam County, TN
But this is where were heading
Cumberland County, TN
true Free. Fix what isnt broken.
I would say extremists in general. it's really hard to tell if an extremist is "right" or "left". otherwise I agree.
the links you posted are completely unrelated to the topic though.
Hallway monitor strikes again.
get back to class or I'm telling! :-)
No they arent
If a guy cuts it off then i can go with that. But "Thinking" your a woman but keeping the one thing that clearly says your a man i cant go with that
Roane County, TN
A penis bathroom and a vagina bathroom.
and a penis officer and vagina officer for enforcement?
Thinker, are you saying you prefer the the idea of enforcement? How about self-regulation? "go where you're gonna go, but be discreet about it."
We've had women's bathrooms and men's bathroom for years. Weve never had police at bathrooms enforcing this before. Why would you want to start that now?
I wouldn't, but it looks like Georgia maybe wants to? up to now, it seems people go where they wanna go. if that's not broken, why fix it?
I fart when I pee
Middleburg Heights, OH, USA
Do you have any clue how this all started Go back to research please.
my diet I guess
no let women police the bathroom. so if a woman goes crazy on someone "Feeling" like a woman then so be it.But if trans looks like a woman no one will know anyway.The Extremists left made this a big issue.
Knox County, TN
what do you tell a child when he tells you "HE started it!!" ?
I don't know what "left" or "right" means in this context, but people are being mighty silly.
so create criminals for no reason, got it.
police ugly people and check for ID's at the door. the party of donald trump everyone.
hey look a libertarian who thinks we should make more laws to measure subjective appearances of passing for transexuals.
oh and a proud latin something or other who thinks we should replace men and women signs with penises and vaginas.
every proud latin puerto rican ive seen before was a tranny on a float.
i dont even know where pink stands but im guessing with all the prostitutes he buys hes neutral because hes not always sure what hes paying for and hotel bathrooms are not segregated.
hey fun fact, more republican congressmen have been caught in bathrooms for sex crimes than transexuals.
Damn, they took down the change.org petition to ban republican congressmen from bathrooms to protect our children.
hey larry craig was in the right bathroom, the one plc wants marked with a penis, because thats what he was in there for!
mens (penis) room. Just like it's always been. Women's (vagina) room. Just like it's always been. Why change something that doesn't need changing?
I really liked how this thread turned out, i just want to top it all off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV7dfsvUOnM&feature=youtu.be
why don't they just let them use the colored's bathroom?
very deep, pink!
2 thumbs :-)
hooray for racist remarks!
Brook Park, OH 44142, USA
I feel letting men use the women's bathroom is part of the Democrat's war against women
No need to bring your personal behavior into the issue.
Mid City, Los Angeles, CA
One of my meta kids is transgender but not surgeried on the bottom. But he has a beard and a deep voice. Wears a binder to conceal the top pending surgery. Are you folks saying you think that belongs on the ladies' room??
in the ladies' room
that is what people are looking past in this whole transgender discussion. the individual will probably stick out more in the bathroom of their birth sex.
Mann, Iowa City, IA
I haven't done much research but I imagine the risk of a transgender being assaulted in the restroom of their birth sex, is much higher than the risk of a child being assaulted by a transgender.
"I haven't done much research" is the understatement of the year. Your posts show that you never do.
The issue isn't Lories ####ed up kids. The issue isn't the legitimate transgender. If that freak went to the men's room, who would know? There are no genatalia checks.
The issue is the pervert who's going to exploit this to gain access to his victims.
you are so incredibly pathetic, this app doesnt even have competent conservatives anymore. Racer is a libertarian.
apparently it still has an over abundance of dumb fùck, sissy ass, morally bankrupt, entitlement demanding liberals .
Adam must feel neutered in West Virginia
Great response kid! Great response! Bravo. A great example of your fear to discuss antthing you might disagree with. How's Drayvonne doing?
the party of donald trump ladies and gentlemen.
and were buying a house in virginia soon, neighbor.
were also going to spotslyvania to see my wifes aunt again, want to use the womens bathroom while were there? you got a target?
It's between Chick Fil a and hobby lobby.
so the issue isn't the people actually affected by the issue, the issue is about a conjured up fear of something that would already happen if the crazy person wanted to. sounds about right
The issue is the safety of our most valuable citizens. Not the feelings of some freak. Tell the real victims about their conjured fears. Tell them you needed to protect the bearded women and not them. good luck with that
You don't feel there's an increased risk. That's fine. I don't agree with you but I can respect that opinion. I feel the risk is too great and the reward is little, if any. But that's just me.
what real victims?
so you dont want this? http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2015-11-28-1448716337-2054399-IJustNeedToPeex400.jpg
oh that's funny..the war on women takes a different route
North Olmsted, OH, USA
(Insert chicken####ery statement here)
by "most valuable", you mean children?
do the toilet seats lift in women's bathrooms? That would be quite fun to leave that baby up! No Escape woman
really? great answer to my questions!
got that right
I don't know what risk you mean plc. Also, there are already laws about assault, in a bathroom or not, against kids and adults, of any sex etc. Think about what this law will make illegal that isn't already illegal.
It doesn't make assaulting someone in a bathroom illegal. That was already illegal.
So what is now illegal that was not before?
It's a very punitive, cruel, baseless thing when you cut it down to its actual essence, it's legal effect. It prevents none of the bogeymen, or freaks as you say, from haunting your dreams.
When you say we need to protect the non-freaks among us plc, can you point to any instances of what the law would prevent? Has there ever been an instance of the sort of bathroom assault you fear?
If not then at the very least this is a solution looking for a problem. At its worst the effect is devastating on a class of individuals who pose no demonstrable risk.
Transgender is a mental illness shouldn't that play a part in this?
Sweetwater, TN 37874, USA
I think, or thought, I was clear. What this does is give predators easier access. More opportunities. Chester can now sit in the stall all day waiting for your kids. He wasn't allowed that access before, was he?
I find it extraordinarily interesting that someone like you would think this was. Your insistence on not fearing the boogyman has caused your own children to suffer greatly. You didn't listen to your children.
You allowed it to happen right in front of you and you did nothing. Now you deny the reality of the dangerous situation yet again. How many kids are going to suffer because of your ignorance?
whats your beef anyway plc i though scientologists didnt really mind gays.
the boogeyman has the same level of access as always. the boogeyman doesn't care about the law.
thinker, according to whom?
Under, that is incorrect. Before, a grown man casually entering a female bathroom would raise alarms. Not anymore. The boogeyman does care about being detected. You guys have provided him cover. Great job! SMH!
PLC, is that your opinion? If you see it as a fact, do you have evidence?
Is it a fact that a grown man walking into the ladies room would have set off alarms? Is it a fact that under this new policy that wouldn't happen? Yes to both.
Is it a fact that the boogeyman has the same level of access as always? No. That is false.
"Is it a fact that under this new policy that wouldn't happen?"
Now that a law is passed, people all of a sudden won't raise any suspicion at all?
That's a horrible argument, because you know it isn't true.
his argument is bad, and he knows it, i want to know whats with all this new "####gots are bad people" routine, this wasnt the plc before inexorable left.
so we can safely assume that in-bathroom assaults will be significantly reduced?
because its funny really, im sure plc has used the womens restroom before at some time in his life, given how old he is multiple times. I was engaging another coworker on this and asked him if he ever used the womens
restroom, and he said "no, never. no wait, once when the mens restroom was broken."
then 2 minutes later "no there were 2 other times, i remember once my son and i were going to the bathroom and we walked out and a woman was at the mirror and i looked at her like what is she doing in here?
and when i left it was a womens restroom." i asked him why she didnt freak out and he didnt know, i suggested maybe because she knew you just had to pee or there were extenuating circumstances.
its just a sign, #### happens and were not criminals if we use the wrong one. also criminals dont pay attention to signs, in pennsylvania a man was just arrested for taking pictures of girls in a bathroom.
he didnt pretend to be transgender, he wasnt let off the hook, there are laws that exist for a reason and using the "wrong" bathroom isnt even related to that.
man you are grasping at straws
you may have heard of this story even, its drummed up on facebook because brietbart tried to use it to scare tactic it and since everyone on facebook is an idiot they all think its related.
this is grade a manipulation by all those "family" and "marriage" organizations that are now out of a job because gay marriage is legal. i would say plc is too smart to buy into this, but he isnt.
he sounds like hes trolling, but he may just be that stupid.
how many times have you used a bathroom intended for females pink?
in your life, and be honest, its more than 1.
We already know that anyone who thinks differently than you is stupid. Have a great day. Give Drayvonne my regards.
All of a sudden I'm a scientologist that hates gays. LOL. You're pathetic. Let me know when you're up for the taco debate. That's about all you're worth.
Skal, under this new policy, what would change? Would security be called? Would security, if called, be able to do anything? No. As time goes on, less and less suspicion and more and more opportunity for Chester.
You might be ok with that. I'm not.
If there's suspicious behavior going on in a bathroom, why couldn't security still respond?
There's nothing preventing authorities from responding to suspicious behavior.
Anyways, it's Friday the 13th. Enjoy your boogeyman, he won't exist at the end of the day.
1,2 Chester's coming for you
Is a man walking into the ladies room "suspicious behavior"? Was before. Isnt anymore. There now is something preventing security from responding to a man merely walking into the ladies room.
why can't security respond the way they usually do? what's preventing them?
Apparently you're not understanding the topic. Go get caught up and get back to me.
I hope everyone realizes that this is just a smokescreen to keep everyone busy while they pass something else that is going to be worse.
President Not Sure
@ over 1 year ago
Florissant, MO, USA
What would that be?
the ability to go into the girls shower and grab some ass.
the ability to fùck any age, without penalty
the ability to let it all hang out for advertisement
plc they didn't outlaw it before. Do you think this "problem" started recently? Maybe you think the law was proposed in reaction to some incident. If so, what incident?
I can absolutely assure you, plc, that you have shared a bathroom with a transgender person. I work with one, and I have a meta-kid that is transgender. Of course, they both use bathrooms appropriate to what you would expect by looking at them.
This is nothing new you guys. Just how hard do you scrutinize that person in the restroom? Because either your answer is "not at all" or you have some issues. So why do you have your undies in a bunch plc?
Can you read English?
I think so.
Under this new law my bearded, muscled, deep voiced kid will have to go into the ladies room.
By all appearances, this would be the "suspicious behavior" of which you speak.
I'm pretty sure I've said several times that I don't care about what bathroom transgenders use. Does that ring a bell?
you guys are idiots.
hey guys, allowing transgender people in bathrooms for the gender they identify allows for child predators to #### kids, because you know, this invalidates child predator laws, and bathroom laws (which never existed)
Everyone is an idiot except for you. We know. We know.
were the only things protecting girls! (because this is apparently only a female bathroom issue). The party of donald trump ladies and gentlemen.
so we need to create new bathroom laws to make transgender people into criminals! so plc can shoot them!
####ing savages shouldnt have been breaking the law!
in the meantime im going to wait for child predators to #### kids and use this as a defense and get away with it, im sure its going to happen like plc watched muslims in new jersey celebrate 9/11!
"Red is my favorite color!" - PLC
You mad bro? Did I do something to piss you off? There must be some reason for all of the constant bull#### you type. You lie. You attack. You hit and run. You never discuss tacos.
I don't get all the anger. The butt hurt. Let it go. You'll feel better
Allowing any sex to use any bathroom will Increase the opportunities for child molesters. All because loris freak child doesn't want his/her feelings hurt. That's all I'm saying. Agree or don't. i don't care.
When you misrepresent what I say, you lose. In an effort to somehow win. To continue to claim I've said something I've never said makes you look dumber than you are. If that's possible.
When you don't have a leg to stand on you muddy the waters to take the focus off of you ignorance. It's funny. And stupid.
Like I have said over and over. I don't care where the trams uses the bathroom. That's not my issue. My issue is the pervert who will take advantage of this.
is this some kind of reaction out of guilt you feel each time you suck tom cruises dick?
I've said this over and over and Lori STILL thinks my issue is with sharing a bathroom with his freak child. I don't care about that. I don't know how many times I have to say it.
Josh, please let me know what I've done to piss you off. If the issue is that I have my own opinions, let me know. If it's that I don't always agree with you, let me know. You are way too angry for being so young.
Suck Tom cruises dick? What the #### is wrong with you? You have some serious issues. Apparently I've really gotten under your skin but I don't even know why.
Anywho, Lorie, if you remember I've said what my problem is several times. It's never been using a bathroom with a transgender for me. Why do you keep saying that? Step away from the strawman and look at what I've said.
H2O, for clarity, did you just say that allowing people to choose the bathroom they want to use will make pedophilia legal?
also, there are lewd and lascivious behaviour laws on the books that apply to adult women being lewd towards girl children.
PLC, I kind of get your "access" argument. is it based on the assumption that anyone gets to walk into whatever bathroom they want whenever they feel like it?
also, adults (in general), are not allowed in school bathrooms (at least that's the case here in California).
In NYC there is nothing to stop anyone from using or entering any public bathroom. That's not an assumption. That's a fact.
are you sure you arent inexorable?
that's how it's always been, yes?
No. It's new. Just introduced in the past couple of weeks. Did you read up on this like I asked you to?
there are many facets to this (and other discussions). it's not always clear what specifically which facet talking about (why I ask for a new topic)
I disagree with the NYC law. rather than being inclusive, it creates a new class of victim (savage).
I don't mind having discussions with you, PLC. I apologize for the fact that I can't read your mind. clarity and specificity are important to me.
I just read some of what I wrote above. clearly I need some sleep. good night.
Actually there were not rules about this in general except as to schools and minors. Maybe NY has a law now but before there just wasn't any. Why do you think this is so?
I'm pretty sure it's called trespassing.
Private property is subject to owner's rules. No trespassing if no objection by owner, right? Just like carrying a gun legally, the owner of private property may prohibit you from carrying on her property. But she may have no objection.
If owner objects to legal gun carrying on her property, and states so clearly, to do so is trespassing.
I've yet to see any bathroom restrictions posted in e.g. restaurants or stores.
Government property is subject to government rules. The trespassing equation is different because the people are the government, but as we've established, it's only very recently that a government has attempted such restriction.
When I say restrictions here, I mean on top of the usual restrictions in places that have more than a unisex bathroom.
Even in those places, there is no clear "rule." I had to go in the men's room to retrieve my young son on a couple of his first attempts at managing his own bathroom trips. Before then, I took him in the ladies room.
I've also used the men's room at certain events where the line to the ladies room was really long. One or more of us called out to the guys to ask if they minded us using their bathroom. They don't seem to mind.
Honestly, I'm not sure why we separate sexes in the bathroom. Have a dividing wall for the urinals or the trough, anyone can use a stall. Problem solved.
Undrwater someone wanting to cut off their penis is mentally ill. i dont care if they do,their body. also suicide is largest in transgender especially among ones who cut it off. no its not society
Hudspeth County, TX
thinker, so you mean mentally ill according to you. thank you for clearing that up.
I have no problem with trans issues and rights but I do understand those who do. I am open minded and mindful I am a conservative
maybe their suicide rate is higher because of the total rejection they feel from society.
that people who believe a man in the sky created them, got mad at the bad things they did and had a child to kill so he could make it up for those bad things, but he came back, and he left saying he would be back.. again
that some narcissistic #### who failed his own family is being manipulated by people smarter than him so he thinks the only way he can make it up is to patrol the bathrooms checking for penis.
you know, real f@g ####.
that those people would call them mentally ill, creates a real dissonance.
im also pretty sure this plc is inexorable
I have to give credit where credit is due. You continue to beat that strawman mercilessly. Like it owes you money. It's kinda scary. Great job. Let me know when you're ready to come back to reality.
May we can discuss the reason for your anger. What's actually has driven your rage to these extremes? Talk to me son. I'll help you through this. I'll be the father figure you never had.
I think the answer might be mental illness
Detroit - Shoreway, Cleveland, OH
I honestly don't think so. It's his upbringing. He's a casualty of the "participation trophy" generation.
plc did you consider my response to your trespassing remark? What do you think.
I don't think it's a good analogy Doc
Westlake, OH 44145, USA
I'm sorry doc. I did read it & I do want to respond. I have a bit of a busy weekend so I can't right now. I hope you don't mind if my response is a little delayed. As you well know, the law is a topic I love to discuss.
undrwater not me
Fredonia, AR 72017, USA
trans who cut it off interview
not just my opinion
Brinkley, AR 72021, USA
question: who defines mental disorder, and what does it mean?
That's a stupid question.
that's a defensive response.
Defensive about what? You weren't directing that at me. I'm just calling it as I see it. A stupid question by a lazy poster looking for a certain response. Did I hurt your feelings?
You honestly don't know who defines mental disorder? You honestly don't have access to the Internet to find out? You honestly can find out what mental foster means? Stupid question. Sorry. Go to your safe space.
the definition of mental disorder is evolving like Obama's definition of marriage so up until a few years ago our president called homosexuality a mental disorder
it is pitiful to now watch the Democrats use transgenders as another weapon
it's not a stupid question at all.
disease labels and definitions are not concrete.
they are social constructs.
Chaska, MN 55318, USA
it's the question of all questions. People in that profession considered positive mental disorder diagnosis as a feather in their caps
if they don't diagnose you with anything it means that they missed something
so of course transgenders have mental disorders. they're not happy in their skin it's a mental disorder and the big problem is certain mental disorders close doors of opportunity permanently
I know many people want to call and transgenderism perfectly normal but very few of us are perfectly normal so accepting it's a mental disorder isn't so bad
"disease labels and definitions are not concrete. they are social constructs." Exactly what makes it a stupid question.
the question is valid because as free thinker has done there will always be those minority with a different perspective on the issue. Using those as examples of why it is a mental disorder is ignoring the actual group of people that determines what
is a mental disorder. if you are dismissing their findings as false then you should at minimum identify them and state why they have no credibility.
well now that the Democrats have adopted transgenders as their pets everything's screwed up
be happy pink. you found your people!
PLC - "Exactly what makes it a stupid question."
Why is asking who defines a diagnosis a stupid question?
Jesus Christ please answer the question!!
Brecksville, OH 44141, USA
the party of Donald trump ladies and gentlemen.
irs a stupid question. There is no actual answer. There are a wide variety of ways to answer and they can all me right. You can find 1 Dr that says one thing and I can find another that says the opposite. Who's right?
That depends on your perspective.
It's a stupid question by a desperate person who constinatly pulls this crap. To him there are no conservatives or liberals. It's all up to the individual. It's stupid. To me. If you find it valid, answer it.
Like you said, they're not concrete. It all depends on who you ask. How you ask. And why you ask.
Doc, private property owners may allow certain things (i.e. Guns, unisex bathrooms) as long as it doesn't contradict law. Be it state or federal. You can't allow cocaine on your private property because it's illegal.
I've seen bathroom restrictions in most of the restaurants or store bathrooms I've ever gone to. They're usually posted right on the door. They say "MEN" for the males room and "WOMEN" for the females room.
Privately owned restaurants or stores (or any other business) has no obligation to provide bit men's and women's bathrooms. They may provide unisex bathrooms if they choose. Has been that way for a long time. No problem.
The government bathrooms usually also have the restrictions posted on the door or near the door. The same "MALE" or "FEMALE" signage. How we define male and female has long been established by science.
What's going on now is different. It's telling everyone that you can choose whatever bathroom you feel like going in. No proof is necessary. You may feel like a boy one day and a girl the next. Who's to say otherwise?
That's where I have a problem. As I've stated numerous times.I don't care where the gay guy goes or the TV or TG or whatever other freak calls him/her self on any given day.No one should be checking genatalia at the door
But we should not make it easier for the savages that get off on young kids. We shouldn't give them cover of law to work their evil. That is precisely what these changes do. Give Chester easier access to the kids.
And for what? So your bearded daughter can use the men's room? She already does. Nobody has stopped her. Nobody was going to. Nobody cared.
My apologies for the delay in my response.
Life's been a little busy.
the question wasn't directed at you PLC, do you may not understand the nature or reason. I do, however, agree with most everything you posted above.
busy is good.
(or whatever the #### theyre calling themselves now)
this is a bad argument i have already addressed, if you had a problem with it then you should have brought it up, or you know, answer the direct questions asked of you when you manufactured "real victims".
you are not an intelligent man.
so in your ass hole world your daughter can walk into a bathroom followed by an adult man and you don't have to follow them to protect them? Bull#### that will be against the law to not follow your child after an adult man followed them in
you would lose custody of your child your face would be in the papers if you did not follow your child into a bathroom after an adult man walk in.. it is against the law
it is child neglect to not follow your child after an adult man followed them in. As a stranger it is their responsibility to follow your child into the bathroom if an adult man walked in after them. I'm talking female children by the way, there is a
if I saw a man walking to the woman's bathroom after a young lady want them I would walk right in there( since I'm now allowed)
I would then find her parents and bįtch slap them in public for allowing an adult male to walk into
a public restroom with their daughter I know I can take her father because he would guarantee be a total pussy
if I saw an adult male walk into the woman's bathroom even though I didn't know a lone little girl would be there I would still follow him just in case
and your stupid argument is "pedophiles have always been allowed to use the same bathrooms"
and your closing statement is "you're not intelligent man"
you set your phone down all proud of yourself take a hit off your bong and lay next to your overweight wife, what a day
" you are not an intelligent man"!
what a stupid ass hole!!!!
can you imagine how traumatized a little girl would be trying to take a piss with some perv listening intently while her liberal stupid fúck father was daydreaming somewhere
because there is no other choice
I always ask, what's the next step. Are we at the limit or are you guys going even further. is men taking a piss next to unchaperoned little girls the limit guys? or are you not happy with that? What else do you want? Are we at the limit?
I want to see a supporter of this let your teenage boy go down with the ship as Bruce Jenner hops on a life raft.
so here is the big question...
-at what point would you not treat a transgender like a lady
you best believe when I'm heading to prison I'm a God damn woman Inside
that didn't sound right but you know what I mean butthole
but it's walking the walk with the liberal causes I see nobody walking the walk. what is the solar panels where is the electric cars where is the hordes of people heading to the ghettos with sandwiches
but I think now with this new flaming liberal perspective you have truly shot yourself in the foot!
North Royalton, OH 44133, USA
relax. the father can "become a woman" long enough to supervise his daughter.
Beverly Hills, CA, USA
and what if I don't notice? Can somebody else go in there to protect my daughter?
and I really don't think a father can go into a bathroom to protect his fourteen-year-old daughter nor would she want him to or any other man
Bruce Jenner is not a homosexual he is not attracted to men so he says so he can walk into a woman's bathroom with little girls there?
and of course we know he won't molest them but what will the girls think? Jesus Christ!
this is the Democrats war on women and it's obvious as opposed to the Republicans war on women
how many times were you molested in the bathroom, pink? yikes!
I will go into the bathroom to make sure your daughter remains unmolested.
my daughter is an athlete with a carry permit so... be careful
Why did you ask about my daughter when you know i only have 1 4 year old son?
See, this is the thing, stupid and hateful people have been manipulated with their own prejudice against gays with this one talking point. "men will rape your daughters."
bathroom signs have never prevented a rape in a public restroom, only the operative word "public" has ever prevented that rape.
if there is a "public" bathroom in a deserted warehouse and someone wants to rape you in it, that sign wont protect you. AND RAPE IS ALREADY AGAINST THE LAW!
NOBODY WHO WANTS TO RAPE A WOMAN IS WORRIED ABOUT BREAKING A BATHROOM LAW!
you guys are idiots, now answer my question. how many times have you used a womans bathroom in your life mr pink?
that is the manipulation! to instill a fear in already prejudiced "parents". there is a target audience for the talking points you are all using.
ive engaged this very debate with several people and highlighted that pedophiles are not barred from public restrooms, they arent introducing new legislation to bar pedophiles from any public bathroom.
i tell them that those men that they are worried about raping their daughters are still allowed in the mens room with little boys and they say "well i dont have a boy."
you ####ing genius.
the fact that you denied to answer my question about how many times you have used the womens restroom in your lifetime shows me that you know you are full of ####.
and i dont blame you for using the womens bathroom! because #### happens and you just had to pee!
so we're idiots and you're going to accomplish something by finding out how many times I've gone into a woman's bathroom? Why?
I'm talking about the little girls being forced to sit in a stall next to a possible pervert who was not allowed in that stall a few short months ago
because it reveals a hypocrisy that "the rules i want to apply to other people never applied to me."
there is the manipulation again! you are a pervert and you have used the womens bathroom before!
nobody is being forced to do anything! this is a public restroom, were not there to check genitals before entry.
and transgender people would still use the bathroom they want, but now you are turning them into criminals.
you are creating crime with this, you are creating an unenforcable law that makes innocent people criminals. but you dont care because they are .5% of the population, they just happen to bother you that much.
AND NO YOU ARENT! THATS THE MANIPULATION!
HETEROSEXUAL PERVERTS WHO WANT TO MOLEST CHILDREN OR RAPE ADULT WOMEN DO NOT FOLLOW BATHROOM SIGNS!
THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO RAPE OR MOLEST A FAMILY MEMBER IN A PRIVATE SETTING!
YOU CANNOT ENFORCE YOUR BATHROOM LAWS!
as emotional as you are I think it's time to check your genitals you woman
i gotta go, but my 4 year old just proved hes smarter than you on this issue, ill tell you about it after i get back from shopping.
that's a good indicator that he might not be your son kid unless of course your wife is highly intelligent but" your wife" and "highly intelligent" cannot fit in the same sentence
Doc, I responded way up there ^ let me know what you think. Whenever you get a chance.
just shoot the pervert, taking a pissing with your kid, call it attempted rape, let the cops prove differently.
wanna pull your dick out in front of my wife or daughter Adam, don't forget to kiss your bare ass goodbye.
the party of donald trump ladies and gentlemen
we have binders full of women
you have blinders?
If A "Guy" thinks hes a woman wouldn't have a penis. So chop it off then your a woman problem solved,biology. Boy has a penis girls have a Vag,So just snip it if your a woman hows that hard to get?
Tucumcari, NM 88401, USA
You want it both ways unfortunately and thats not going to happen
But Targets a private business so their free to allow it. just don't shop there problem solved. But stopping trying others to accept it as the norm. you think its ok ill say its a mental illness.
a transgender person getting reassignment surgery doesnt make them less or more of a man or woman, biologically they are either the same or they arent, on an appearance level it also doesnt change anything.
guarantee, your wife wisest you and cuts your dick off, you're less of a man, adam
not that it would be a long fall
you make the point water brother. being a "man" has nothing to do with a penis.
Lakewood, CA, USA
1. an adult human male.
synonyms: male, adult male, gentleman
1. of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.
the male genital organ of higher vertebrates, carrying the duct for the transfer of sperm during copulation. In humans and most other mammals, it consists largely of erectile tissue and serves also fo
it's not just for peeing anymore
who is it who frequently asks, "do you pee standing up?"
Isn't the allowing transgender to go into bathroom of their choice a response to laws forbidding them to? if it would have been left alone everything would have been fine. it's laws creating criminals of them that brought the rest of this on.
it didn't become what it is till states started making these laws to make it an issue.
I think it was the other way around.
I think North Carolinas law was in response to a law in Charlotte similar to NYC which gave access to any bathroom depending on how you felt.
Interesting thought. Don, if I am correct, would this make you rethink your opinion on this?
You didn't prove anything there plc. It all still started with people deciding to make a law...not an actual problem highlighting the need for a law. At least three of us have tried to make the same point here.
Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN
Wasn't trying to prove anything. You haven't proved anything either. What people started this? What law did they decide to make? I really don't care how many of you are expressing what you think. It's irrelevant.
I'm still trying to figure out what Don was trying to say
Boston Heights, OH, USA
here's Obama using strong arm tactics with our money
Hudson, OH, USA
I would have no question if its supporters would answer one question. If a transgender can walk into the woman's bathroom why can't I
Hudson, OH 44236, USA
by the way totally cool with transgenders homosexuals and all other deviations on sexuality
Cutting off your penis doesn't make you less of a "Man" but having a penis does.Cut it or Your still a Guy
Shamrock, TX 79079, USA
is there a difference between a "guy" and a "man"?
with Adam's mini dick
his woman told me
Yes, Republicans are falling in line with Drumpf...very reluctantly.
hmmm what recent election did we have where Republicans were reluctant to embrace their nominee? only four years ago! Hey how did that turn out?
h2o I don't think increased support among Republicans is going to fúck Hillary. Not at all. There is the rest of the voting public to consider after all. After the last election, one would think you would remember those other people.
But hey, keep on fúcking that chicken. By all means! After all, denial of reality has become the GOP's MO ever since Mittens convinced the Party he was electable!
THIS ####ING GUY! http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/erick-erickson-mitt-romney-223420
how did that turn out Doc?
look at the debt
I can't pee next to a man dressed like a woman!!!!!
Then tell those asshóles to stop passing laws forcing you to pee next to that, Pink.
Free Thinker, as usual, you exhibit a remarkably shallow view of this issue, at least in part due to ignorance of facts associated with it. However I've a feeling that even if you heard the facts you would take the same view...because it's icky and
you want to feel justified in making people absolutely miserable so as to make your perception of your public bathroom experience less icky.
So to sum up: ignorant, check. Asshóle, check.
Free Thinker, you are an ignoranus.
I can't wait till you get to piss next to a tasty tranny at the trough.
that's how doc passes, next to little boys at the trough
The party of donald trump ladies and gentlemen
great timing kid
that's all he can say,
but soon he'll be saying "President Trump"....
and to think we almost had that pervert Bill Clinton roaming the halls of the white house again thank you ☆Donald Trump 2016☆
I'm telling you, a lot of people do not want to vote for Hillary.
Hard to believe it but I think we really, truly have arrived at a kakistocracy. How did this shít happen...it's so utterly depressing.
been that way since '92, doc
Sen. Hillary Clinton has long been a favorite target for Republicans, so it's no surprise that at a summit this weekend for religious conservatives, the Rev. Jerry Falwell offered up some red meat.
"I hope she's the candidate," Falwell said, "because nothing will energize my [constituency] like Hillary Clinton."
He added, "If Lucifer ran, he wouldn't."
Jerry Fallwell Sr. ladies and gentelemen.
The party of Donald Trump.
It's been headed there, certainly h2o and our started before'92. imo the slide started after Watergate. But in this election we have truly arrived at the absolute worst people. a reality show tv star and someone who should have been fired from one
Hey maybe Trump will get Kim Kardashian's ass to run for VPOTUS. I think it would be a fitting crown jewel on the transformation.
Just her ass, mind you. I don't think anyone wants to hear what comes out of her talk hole. But with that thing bouncing around near Trump's talk hole, he is virtually assured a win.
Anyway on the op...I say let's do this thing, let's pass those laws. then I'd love to see the transgender community fight fire with fire: have the tastiest, non surgeried trannies spread out and invade bathroom spaces ostentatiously.
It would be great to see what happens in an airport bathroom when a gorgeous, stacked woman with legs up to here, struts into the men's room and hefts up that size 4 skirt at the urinal. Oh, sweet karma...give them what they want, right?
after all we wouldn't want that pervert with the 42-24-36 figure to be among children, right?
Wait...do you think there are also children in the men's room? - - because according to the purveyors of the law, we have to protect the children.
Yes, we must protect the children from the hidden penises!
Tell me, which bathroom is it where the children are? Because the solution to this problem would be to make the trannies go to the bathroom where kids aren't allowed.
Also will someone please explain what these laws make illegal, that was not already illegal? Let me keep that as an open question. I have an opinion obviously but I want to know what supporters think the effect of the law is.
I would also like to understand how the law improves the protection of the children. I mean think about it for a minute instead of spitting out talking points and tell me how the law will protect the children.
Asked & answered. Do you have anything new to add?
No, you did not answer. Let's try it again. How does the law protect kids...or anyone else for that matter...But hey let's stick with kids.
Sorry, yes I'm very dense. Let's just get that right out of the way.
are we correct in saying that you're asking how does the law that keeps men out of ladies restrooms protect little girls?
problem is you idiots still think this is about trannys, no one gives a shìt where they squat, they're in a stall either way.
water brother, are you saying that the new law gives an adult the right to sexually assault someone in a bathroom?
I know PLC is concerned about increased access, but I think that concern is misplaced.
ya know I'm beginning to grasp what you're saying
I thought I read somewhere maybe I'm wrong that the parameters of a transgender can be instantaneous transgenderization
including frustrated demented rejected sociopaths like this guy?
the voice of reason here I'm totally cool with transgenders I understand and feel their plight must be terrible
instantaneous transgenders got a little problem with that
instantaneous into the bathroom after my daughter that is any time else fine.. is that point of view okay?
not that I would do any more than follow her in... frickin illegally by the way
so the only way I can accompany another man into the bathroom after my daughter is by claiming to be transgender which would also be against the law
and I would be marked as a sex offender... anybody?
so under this law 3 big men can follow my daughter into a secluded bathroom at a ballgame,is that correct?
this is beginning to sound like the affordable care act
I don't know the specifics, pink, but presumably if the boogeyman can legally walk into the bathroom after your daughter (who went in looking for me), you have the same legal recourse to follow the boogeyman.
what's stopping those 3 big men from doing that now, pink?
The law. Like I've described above. Which apparently isn't legible to any liberals on this app.
I keep saying the same thing over and over and you guys won't even acknowledge it. You keep making it about what I specifically said it isn't about.
One year ago, a grown man going into the women's room would have resulted in security being called and at a minimum, the man being asked to leave the women's room. Not any more. Can we at least agree on that?
Doc, you may be incredibly dense but I'm sure you can read English and I'm equally sure you can recall conversations from just a few days ago. At a minimum you can scroll up and re read.
Waterboy, misplaced? How so?
Pink, spot on! "are we correct in saying that you're asking how does the law that keeps men out of ladies restrooms protect little girls?"
Laws stop criminals from committing crimes?
No law is stopping those three men from following a woman into a secluded bathroom now.
And of did call security because she felt unsafe, why exactly would security throw up their hands and refuse to investigate?
*If she did
You sure are adding a lot.
Remember the post where I said the law stops criminals from committing crimes? Or the time I said it has to be a secluded bathroom? Or that she felt unsafe? Me neither Mr strawman.
water, the boogeyman was ANY man who walked into the ladies room but now the boogeyman can blend right in correct?
I remember Pink mentioned those things, and I remember me responding to pink addressing those things.
After I asked pink what's stopping those 3 men from still going after the woman in a remote bathroom, you jumped in and said the law.
That's not a strawman, you dolt.
That's responding to Pink's actual argument.
I mean that's all I'm saying, the abuse and I am positive there are thousands of men across America tingling like Chris Matthew about this
ICYMI PLC, here is Pink's exact quote:
"so under this law 3 big men can follow my daughter into a secluded bathroom at a ballgame,is that correct?"
Are you sure you aren't inexorable?
and your answer was what's stopping them now. . are you sure you aren't inexorable? are you suggesting that laws do nothing or very little so why have them?
I'm sure I'm not inex nor am I pink. I thought you were addressing me. I should've known you weren't.
think of some of the laws that protect women.
you can't stand at the bottom of a staircase and look up womens dresses even though it's not hurting anybody and only the uptight women don't like it
you can't get in a woman's space especially if you are a man. you can't even stare at that cleavage that they offer you with a deep neck sweater. women have special rights
For prevention, laws do nothing if the person has no intention of following the law.
The the law is only useful for punishment.
But nobody said anything about a law stopping criminals from committing crimes. No law does that. Was it pink who said unsafe or was it you?
so 6 of you guys hippies see a man illegally getting in a woman's space and you do nothing? Of course not
If three men are following your daughter into a remote bathroom at a stadium with ill intent, no bathroom law will stop them from doing something to your daughter if that is their intent.
The law NOW allows those three men to follow her into the bathroom. Secluded or not. Whether she feels unsafe or not.
*then the law
Honorable Men enforce the law when there's no cops around right?
so the laws allow us to legally help each other We Can't Stop somebody who's doing something legally
I can legally pull the keys out of the hands of a drunk . I can legally push a man harassing a woman even if it's his wife
If their intent was to sexually assault your daughter, we have laws against that. But those laws probably won't be stopping them in your hypothetical.
Only useful for punishment in this situation.
and if you say that isn't true then you're part of the war on women. man, you're trapped now
this is dumb you guys know what we're talking about. at least I say " I know what you mean, I understand"
I agree with you but!
@plc - If I end the statement with ",pink?", as I did in there, I'm clearly not addressing you.
hey I agree the laws would not be stopping them in my hypotheticals but you are not listening are you?
let me sing it to you●○•°■●▪☆
this new law is restricting good men from legally following perverts masquerading as transgenders into my daughter's space
would you be one of those men? Don't you feel that need to protect the weak?
over and over with the thoroughly destroyed talking point, the party of donald trump ladies and gentlemen.
just when I thought we were having an intelligent conversation you come stumbling into the room
yeah we are the party of trump get used to it
all I've been trying to do is to get you guys to recognize the reasons why some people might find this objectionable
you know, you guys the party of Hillary negotiable open-minded kind , empathetic
trying to find if you have thought it out and of course you have, of course you know what I'm talking about. you have learned that strong-arming works from Barack Hussein Obama
you are not Progressive you are passive aggressive.
pink, what would you have done last year if a bull dyke or three followed your daughter into the bathroom? If you were worried, about her safety, you'd have to consider the consequences of barging in to check on her.
now you can do that confidently knowing you're within your rights to do so.
I know you're afraid that there are weirdos waiting in the wings. human behavior tells us that these kinds of compulsions won't allow the person to wait for a law to give them greater access to the object of their compulsion.
The others who are just curious will mostly be hindered by a fear of legal and social consequences for their behavior.
I completely understand your concern though.
"human behavior tells us that these kinds of compulsions won't allow the person to wait for a law to give them greater access to the object of their compulsion." Reference please?
I love how you guys add ####. Now it's a bull dyke.
just another boogeyman
PLC, for you this world is going to hell in a hand basket each generation. it makes sense that you are afraid of your own shadow.
Yup. Afraid of my own shadow. LMAO! Your link was quite broad. Anything specific on your comment.
let's talk about abortion now
psychopaths don't respect the law. they don't think what they're doing is wrong.
hey pink, youre attracted to women right?
until the right guy comes along
waterboy, you are assuming pedophiles are psychopaths. Why?
Josh, we know YOU'RE not attracted to woman. If you were you would of married one. LMMFFSAO!
Oh my goodness that's funny
Josh your move,make me laugh
The next step?
people who assault people for no other reason than they feel they can are psychopaths. isn't that what we're talking about?
Pedophiles come in all shapes comes and sizes, although the overwhelmingly vast majority of them have a penis. If we want to keep our kids safe, we should assume anything with a penis is a pedophile and treat the situation accordingly.
comes = colors
So I propose that no penises be allowed in bathrooms. You know, to keep the kids safe. Particularly little boys, who are exposed regularly to penises of pedophiles everywhere they use a restroom.
I mean, we have to protect our kids against these perverts, I totally agree. So let's target the ones we all know, not suspect, to be the problem: pedophiles. Pedophiles all have penises. So we should keep the penises away from the children.
plc what do you think...would this not be a more comprehensive solution to the "problem" you conjured? And I say conjured, because there is nothing in existence showing that the transgender issue is an actual problem.
I agree completely Doc or we could meet halfway and keep men out of the ladies room
Boston Township, OH, USA
to go further, why not remove all penises from humanity! guns don't kill people, penises do!
Northeast Los Angeles, Los Angeles, CA
Lori, it breaks my heart when you turn into a complete idiot. It really does.
I expect it from water boy, Joshua and bhavn. That's just who they are. You and skal are different. For the most part. Or so I think. Moments like these make me wonder. Am I giving you too much credit? looks so.
did you completely miss that huge tongue in the massive cheek?
i dont think hes sure hes not inexorable.
the problem here is that plc is going to do this inexorable "im a ####ing wall and i dont accept new information or facts that prove im wrong" all day, he will ignore anything you say.
i dont even know what pink is doing because hes using that same fear mongering tactic and i dont know why because he pretends like hes smarter than that, but when you confront him he goes back to acting like a clown.
H20 is like bhavens opposite, and everything he says comes directly from the RNC daily memos.
Free thinker is just a complete idiot because he knows gun laws dont prevent gun violence and pretends like creating new "bathroom laws" are better, the only thing he does thats more genuine is that he doesnt hide
the fact that he just doesnt like transgender people. and thats fine, at least he says it, unlike these other chuckleheads trying this whole American Family Association Ministry of Propaganda and Homo Hate nesletter.
I'm pretty sure if skal, dr evil, you and I had a conversation sharing our concerns, thoughts and ideas about the problem it would be a whole lot more informative and productive.
As a country it seems that we are in a time where "conservative" (i dont even know what to call it anymore) ideology is actually the most toxic problem we face.
Maybe its my old age, I hope hillary clinton puts them into camps.
then you sound just like water brother.
I'm not putting or advocating "camps" for liberals. maybe I need to rethink that, right Adam?
you are the biggest pompous ass on the application, he'll you even manage to make bhippy intelligent in comparison to your drivel.
toxic avenger. good movie.
I'll have to check it out. I apologize for my comment water brother.
but Adam has precedent on his side, the great Democrat FOR, had camps, right Adam? Evil?
@4 I actually disagree about modern conservatism. If you stated that couple years ago I would agree to some extent. But In this day in age where BLM, 4th wave feminism, and non binary genders are becoming tenants of "liberalism"
@ over 1 year ago
Vadnais Heights, MN, USA
starts to alienate former liberals like myself to a more or less form of conservatism.
Not only that but I'm noticing younger conservatives tend to be more rational and open to discussion than young liberals.
I just got back from Mexico with the Mrs.
We were at a bar in the Cancun airport to fly home. We'd both been drinking heavily, and walked to the bathrooms together.
They were having plumbing issues with the women's (I assume), because there was a long line at the women's restroom, and no line whatsoever at the men's.
my wife REALLY had to piss
I told her to use the men's.
She walked right in with me. we both went. we walked out together.
The chicks in the line for the women's were incredulous.
wait a minute, your wife does it standing up?
After having this discussion, and reading the comments...I'm officially changing my position on the bathroom use.
Thanks Doc and Josh for using reason and logic to convince me of two things. (Skal and Undrwater...pick up your game)
1. Children aren't protected from pedophiles in bathrooms.
2. Trannies have been in the bathroom with me my entire life.
In forced to return to me default position regarding laws and victims.
In the absence of a victim, there is no crime.
People should have the freedom to engage in any behavior that doesn't harm someone else's life, liberty, or personal property.
I relate this issue to that of drug use.
Using a (currently) illegal drug shouldn't, by itself, be a crime. There is no victim.
Any behavior while on the drugs that harms someone else's life, liberty, or personal property...should be a crime.
Smoke some crack...and sit on a curb mumbling to yourself all day...no crime.
Smoke some crack...and break into someone's house...crime.
When liberals make laws Ma dating gender neutral bathrooms, they have to, or at least should, expect a reaction. Which is what NC did. React to it.
Apparently some of you believe it was the other way around. It wasn't.
Enter the bathroom of the opposite gender...and take a piss...no crime.
Enter the bathroom of the opposite gender...and sexually assault someone...crime.
True. I don't believe anyone here has said ant different. From what I've read.
avtually, enter the bathroom of any sex and assault someone, it's a crime.
you said bathrooms should be assigned by presence of penis or vagina
that's completely different from what I just said.
Bathrooms should be what they've always been. A men's room and a woman's room. That's what I've said.
"They should just have a penis bathroom and a vagina bathroom. Nobody cares what you "identify" as."
you said that
Right now in NY if a man uses the women's room, takes a piss and leaves, he is not committing a crime.
Yes. I said that. What does that have to do with your statement?
I said my position is that people should be able to use bathrooms of the opposite gender.
You said nobody has said any different.
I showed where you had said different.
I don't believe adults should be able to choose which bathroom or locker room they use. I believe in the existence of genders and I believe males & females are different.
your statement that you don't believe that anyone here has said any different is untrue.
I pointed out that it was untrue, and provided evidence to support my statement.
Then I misunderstood what you said. My apologies.
I do not agree with your position that all bathrooms should be gender neutral. Unless they're single user bathrooms.
I also do not believe locker rooms should be gender neutral.
Question, if I walk into your home, go to the bathroom, take a piss and leave, would you be ok with that? Would anyone here be ok with that?
If you trespass on my personal property, then break and enter my residence?
no...that would be multiple crimes
if you knock on the door and request permission to enter my home and use my restroom?
I'd be fine with it.
If I walk into your home. No breaking and entering. Walking in.
Unlocked door or open door. Most homes leave their doors unlocked at some point. Most homes dont have no trespassing signs. The average home. I walk in, use the bathroom and leave. Is that a problem?
What would be the "multiple crimes"?
In Georgia...trespassing is a crime.
A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she intentionally damages any property of another without consent of that other person and the damage thereto is $500.00 or less or knowingly and maliciously
interferes with the possession or use of the property of another person without consent of that person.
I dont think pissing and leaving fits in this. Do you?
Maybe b which states "A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she knowingly and without authority:"
"(1) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person for an unlawful purpose;"
Whats the unlawful purpose? Is pissing unlawful? I dont think so. Do you?
What about "(2) Enters upon the land or premises of another person or into any part of any vehicle, railroad car, aircraft, or watercraft of another person after receiving, prior to such entry, notice from the owner,
"A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she...knowingly and maliciously interferes with the possession or use of the property of another person without consent of that person."
Yes...your scenario is a crime.
rightful occupant, or, upon proper identification, an authorized representative of the owner or rightful occupant that such entry is forbidden; or"
I thought the Law was your shtick?
Are you aware of private property rights and criminal trespass laws?
Most homes Ive been to dont post "no trespassing" signs. That would be a little weird if I went to a persons home and they have "No Trespassing" signs up at the home. Property line is one thing. The home another.
How is taking a piss "maliciously interfering with the possession or use"?
We know the law isnt your shtick. As is evident here.
Me walking into your house and taking a piss doesnt in any way interfere with your possession or use of your property. Im not stopping you from using it nor am I laying claim to it.
I have no idea why you're such an intolerable åsshole.
Do you have a point?
You asked a question.
I answered it.
You questioned the validity of my answer.
I provided evidence that my answer is legally correct.
You went full retard.
Does your current line of incoherent and incorrect babbling have a purpose?
Ill ask slower. How is taking a piss "maliciously interfering with the possession or use"?
Whats the interference of possession or use?
Without resorting to childish insults. Give it a try.
Babbling? Im quoting the law verbatim and you consider that babbling? Come on kid. Give it a shot.
You think you can legally enter a stranger's home without their permission.
Do you have a point?
Is this in any way relevant to the OP?
Youre not very good at this whole law thing.
BTW, you introduced the law as a response to my question. A link that you obviously didnt read and dont understand. As is evident by your refusal to answer the question.
LOL! Too easy!
I just read your previous posts. I see you changed your mind. Thats great. I dont agree but I can respect your opinion on the matter.
So...there was no point to your scenario?
There was. It went over your head.
"Trespass is defined by the act of knowingly entering another person's property without permission. Such action is held to infringe upon a property owner's legal right to enjoy the benefits of ownership."
Get the fūck out of my bathroom!
Each state defines trespassing differently. There are often times differences in dictionary definitions and legal definitions. The states law is what matters. Not the dictionary. Is that clear enough for you?
If transgenders have been using whatever bathroom they choose for years, if loris bearded daughter has been pooping in the men's room forever, why change anything? Leave the way it's been.
we could have, but enough are uncomfortable with the status quo that we are forced to discuss it.
plc is such a ####ing idiot
plc is trying to equate private property with public bathrooms, you down own a public bathroom so you dont get to decide who uses it just because you dont feel someone should be in it
if that were the case men could deny men entry into the mens room.
like with everything you have ever done here plc you form a completely retarded theory of how you think things should work and you try to build a maze around it that ####ing leads nowhere. are you sure you arent inex?
though i cant really believe you denied saying penis in mens room vagina in womens room and everyone here knows you ####ing did. i mean, i know you are a liar but now everyone else knows that without equivocation.
thats bigger than your whole #### show about private property.
The party of Hillary Clinton ladies and gentlemen.
You must of missed the part where I said bathrooms on private property can decide how their bathrooms are set up. You substituted it with some crap about me equating private and public restrooms. Because you're an idiot.
You must of missed the part where I said I misunderstood what racer said and apologized. And substituted it with me denying I said there should be a penis room and vagina room. Because you're an idiot.
I'm happy to see you get so butt hurt. You get sooo offended that anyone dare think differently than you. I find joy in you proving everything I think about the liberal mindset. For that, I thank you.
and you think the hillary clinton comparison is even close to one of donald trump!
You go "rah rah blah rah blah rah" and somehow think you've proven your "point". It's amusing. You haven't changed. Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.
If you would, you could address my question. Why change what isn't broken? I doubt you will. You just want to rant and rave and call me names. That's as deep as you're capable of. A ####ing puddle.
And you think there's a difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald trump! LMAO
Please continue your substitutions. awesome strawman you've propped up. Not only you. It's a liberal thing. Like when people speak against illegal immigration and you ask why they hate immigrants. Because you're an idiot
Do you need a safe space when you see Donald trumps name? You're that kind of guy.
chicken####ery. at its best. pure chicken####ery
Roosevelt, Iowa City, IA
chickenfůckery just put the little thingy over the U. I get tired of trying to figure out which cuss word you are using!!!!!!!
after I did it once my phone remembered it.
I rarely agree with plc but 412035 really seems like the type that would need a safe space.
I had to Google safe space. now I understand the joke(?).
of course, if private properties that open themselves to the public for business have a rule about their bathrooms, it's legit as long as there is no effect of discrimination against protected classes of people.
for example you can't be Target and say, our rule is no black people in the bathrooms. But you can say, no guns in the bathroom. No merchandise in the bathroom.
If you violate their rule, the only crime is trespass...and even then it's pretty
much only if you are caught then refuse to leave. Not legally...in reality (for plc's pedantic thought process).
Until T is a protected class, private businesses can get away with rules prohibiting their use of bathrooms according to their geometry
or their dna or whatever. But of the effect is to discriminate against Ts and they are encompassed in a protected class, then that won't fly anymore.
Government behavior is a completely different thing of course.
Without making any new laws or pushing for a new class of protected citizens, which takes a long time, Congress can affect all of this pretty quickly, as you see things have already
Congress holds the purse strings on a lot of funds that go to private concerns as well as public. They can withhold money for nearly any reason. They control both public and private behavior by controlling where the money goes.
Nothing wrong with it, purse strings belong to Congress. But once the money is allocated, the Executive can also impact actual spending by saying, this is how we are going to execute this law, this spend the associated money. We are seeing that.
Executive said, no federal funds for schools that make discriminatory T bathroom rules.
Problem? None, if the law provides for such an interpretation.
I don't know for sure but I'd bet the Executive is on pretty solid ground there in determining how to execute the law. Until a case or two can percolate up through the courts, expect to see more of this.
To hell with the constitution!
School showers next? Why not?
Didn't Nixon do basically the same thing with the highway funds & 55 MPhil requirement for states?
FÙCK auto correct
MPHIL == MPH
if liberalism is a mental disorder does it mean im not allowed to use public bathrooms anymore?
and youve never answered any of my questions so i dont see a problem ignoring any of yours (though i thought you were ignoring me so i didnt see you ask me anything directly.)
and i love donald trump, i love what he represents, i love how every time i tried to pin something on the republian party people here would say it just isnt so. Donald Trump is the rock solid proof that everything i have
ever said was right.
i doubt he would win, but even if he does that just cements everything. the republican party would be in even worse shape if they elected him president. this is about the long game.
"the party of donald trump" isnt a talking point i am making up, its a label you can wear for the rest of your life.
hillary never did anything except act like a politician doing anything for a vote, hillary clinton is the mitt romney of the democratic party. the democratic party doesnt even have a donald trump.
ask lyin ted, or little marco, or crooked hillary, or crazy bernie. your party reacts viscerally to their basest fears which are largely xenophobia if not outright racism, you get off on cheap namecalling
im not afraid of donald trump, he couldnt be worse than ted cruz, that guy is insane.
when family and friends post stuff about donald trump being hitler im the one correcting him. hes just the average republican voter.
someone said if you take hitlers speeches they sound just like trump. im the one that said the 2 arent even in the same league.
as a joke i translated some of trumps dumbest soundbites to german and said he sounds more like mussolini. they have the same problem you have plc, you have no context.
you see what you want to see and cast out any thing that you dont agree with, you cant accept facts that counter the stance you decide to take. you repeat your same lame arguments in your favor.
now quick mention tacos, call my son trayvon or try to say something to dr evil referencing where she lives so she knows you are ####ing stalking her you pathetic piece of ####.
Adam is just scared.
He's afraid that if Trump wins, he'll be deported with the majority of his family
hear that Adam? Back to Canada eh?
Executive orders are perfectly constitutional plc, as long as within the bounds of the executive function: basically how to execute an existing law.
For Racer and others who care to listen, I can help you understand transgender. It's the gender you feel like every day, and it's completely separate from what you are attracted to sexually. Perfect example: I know a person who transitioned to
or how NOT to execute an existing law
female, surgically with the full ride. But...she is attracted to women! So she had her penis taken off...and is a lesbian. Freaky, right? Except it's like I said: some people's gender identity doesn't match their geometry. This woman has known
since early childhood that she is a woman.
My transgender kid has known since he was five years old that he was a male.
according to my sources Doc transgender is an umbrella term covering Bigender Trigender and gender fluid SoOoo..
is there another term to describe someone who doesn't reserve the option to flip flop their gender identity?
sounds like transgender got hijacked just like O.W.S. and BLM
you used to understand me
Like anything else used to describe a type of human behavior, "transgender" describes a spectrum of gender identity. There are those in a between space, just like with sexuality: bisexuals, hetero that walk on the wild side once in awhile, etc.
My kid may never have bottom surgery. He wants top surgery. His gender identity is centered on living as a man, not necessarily sexually though a strap on is probably useful there. Plus can you imagine having an artificial appendage? Weird.
They can do it though. Pull out the clitoris and use that to make what I think amounts to a two inch penis. Hell I wouldn't want one of those anyway. On either end of it.
wouldn't be your first mini dick now would it?
too soon? was that too soon?
Brunswick, OH 44212, USA
that's president Trump
I don't think doc evil cares that much about our future president
do you pink?
being a 1%er I'm sure she's on the the fence
thank you kid that was real cute and as usual a waste of time
like engaging in any kind of intellectual debate with you and then you going back to acting like a clown?
Really Pink, that was some extreme hypocrisy right there.
H2O I resent the implication that we've had sex.
I keep black women happy, it's not a myth..
with that said, I'm sure we haven't, I haven't ran your visa card.
Tucker, GA 30084, USA
Transgender is a mental illness is being gay isnt. so yes separate
Hazen Township, AR, USA
I suppose you're an expert on the subject, Free? Otherwise what qualifies your opinion? You must have some reason, right? Care to regale us so we may learn?
Hudson, WI 54016, USA
I'm guessing that like all Free's opinions, this clear and concise statement of how to treat an entire class of people is totally informed and well considered. We can all benefit by learning more about it.
yea its called reading try it sometime. not a opinion many experts,ex-trans,psychologist and people in science community have distance themselves because of pc culture. but there enough specialist that have stuck in and say its a mental illness
Olive Branch, MS 38654, USA
especially some trans people who cut it off. Also there are people who want limbs cut off because they think they should be handicap or people qho actually think their animals.So i guess using your argument their sane people who actually are that
animal or are actually handicap. Unfortunately everyone looks at it from a emotional position.Some were also Homosexuals who were raised in a environment where thats a no-no so they are convinced they must be a woman or man. Like what happens in
middle east coutries your not allowed to be gay but can become a "Woman" but ive said it many times. i dont care if they want to be "Fill In The Blank" Just don't force it down peoples throats theres zero evidence. Also if your a woman cut it,because
biologically your still a man if you have a dong. sorry you cant sell me your a woman with a dong between your legs only idiots and fools accept that. but be a cat,man,lizard just accept others might not accept move on
I both read and live with it. I have a trans kid and know two trans people through work. One of them works with me now, have known her for years and before she had the operation. Talking to people about their experiences closely mirrors what gay
people who remained closeted for years would say: they knew from a very young age that their apparent gender didn't match what their head was telling them.
To that extent, and in alignment with current thinking by experts on the subject, it's only a "mental illness" in the sense that society still labels it as such. When a young kid is allowed to dress and align themselves with the gender they
Yes thats mental illness. Guess by your definition then people who want legs cut off or think their animals are sane people. Ok i understand you now, like i said i dont give two craps if your gay or trans. i think both are weird and sickening but i
experience, ie without particular encouragement one way or the other, the kid grows up to be as well adjusted and normally functioning as any other kid. Recent study result.
like the idea of free country better.I buddies brother is gay doesn't bother me to be around them when their clucking like hens.Dont care if they adopt or get married. only think im saying is society shouldn't force it down peoples throats as long as
by "the kid" I mean a trans kid, as opposed to non-trans kids.
everyone can coexist.But unfortunately in this pc environment if you dont accept and praise gays and trans your called a bigots or attacked,yet we dont do that. just honest when asked,if never asked youd never know
Similarly, when there is no stigma about being gay and a kid experiences gay attraction in such a setting, there are no associated issues that could be labeled as abnormal in a psychiatric sense.
that is, there is no social or psychiatric abnormality associated with either gay or transgender except issues that arise as a result of nurture, not nature. Just hiding that shít for years has a predictably deleterious effect on one's psyche.
Saw that with my trans kid. Severe mental health issues, kid was institutionalized and then out of control with drinking, drugs etc. at a very young age. Once he came out, there was a complete turnaround. He's doing great now, it's amazing.
It completely took my breath away, the change was so rapid. Since he's one of my meta-kids I didn't know him as a young child, but I asked when he knew he was a guy and he said at least by the age of five.
He called us to "come out". It was hard not to cry when he asked me if I still loved him. I told him, I never loved you because I thought you were a girl, I just love you no matter what. And there you have it. How is that mental illness?
What up Racer? How you been? You too Dr. Evil! I'm surprised to see so many old faces here.
sabaku no ai
@ over 1 year ago
hey Sybil how's it hanging
How goes it, AI?
I'm not on here very much anymore. Greed demands that I spend most of my time in pursuit of the next dollar.