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No charges for police officer that shot Tamir Rice down like a rabid dog, In the open and carry state of Ohio.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

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Tragedy! But not a crime.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Especially when the prosecutor does everything in his power not to bring charges against the trigger happy rookie. DA can get charges on a watermelon from grand jury, it they do their job.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Temple, TX, USA

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If he was doing everything in his power not to bring charges, he wouldnt of put it in front of a grand jury.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/08/nyregion/grand-juries-seldom-charge-police-officers-in-fatal-actions.html

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/11/24/the-single-chart-that-shows-that-grand-juries-indict-99-99-percent-of-the-time/

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

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99.99% versus rarely I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

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Maybe the Police actions are correct most of the time. Would you be able to acknowledge that?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Also, your second link is silly. This wasn't a federal grand jury.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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99.99% of federal grand juries. This wasnt a federal grand jury.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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True, it wasn't a federal grand jury. The article acknowledges that.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

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If something systemic stacks the deck in favor of LEOs in these cases, would you be able to acknowledge that?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

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Maybe the Police actions are correct most of the time. Would you be able to acknowledge that?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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If that were true, sure. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/27/police-shootings-result-in-more-charges-for-office/?page=all “More of these cases have videos that are coming into play, quite often because

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

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they are not consistent with the statements that officers have made at scene,” Mr. Stinson said. “Investigators are looking at those and seeing big discrepancies.”

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

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"Discrepancies between officers’ statements and what appears on video have led to officers’ arrests within a matter of days in two on-duty shootings this year."

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

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I too am willing to accept any truths. But what we have so far doesnt show either opinion to be truth. Nor do I think there ever will be a solid reason found.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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We have video of this shooting. The law professionals said it was a lawful shooting. Those with access to every detail of the case & with knowledge of the law felt it was justified. From the little I know & saw, I agree.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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The kid was in possession of and waving a gun. The kid was pulling this gun out when the Officers approached. They reacted reasonably in that specific situation.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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But I guess we can talk about federal grand juries, if you wish.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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it was described as an "active shooter" situation to justify the response despite happening in an open carry state where the "active shooter" didn't actually fire any shots

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

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Who described it as such?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/12/28/tamir-rice-grand-jury-announcement-expected-monday/ loehmann (one of the officers)

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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the police officers and the prosecutor, stated they went to scene with an active shooter mentality.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Temple, TX 76502, USA

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They went to the scene with "an active shooter mentality"? Or he saw the male pulling a gun out of his waistband and that's what put him in the "active shooter" mindset?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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The prosecutor didn't asked the grand jury to charge either officer with a crime. So this grand jury was just a dog and pony show for the public.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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The prosecutor can't convene a grand jury and present evidence without a charge for them to consider.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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There's a lot of hyperbole here. I don't understand why some can't accept grand jury or trial decisions when they go against what you think without real knowledge of the law or of what transpired.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Police officers should NEVER go to a gun call with their guard down.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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I don't think this should have even gone before a grand jury. The kid had a gun. Waving it in public.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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(in an open carry state) (didn't fire a shot)

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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(In an open carry state you are not allowed to be in public parks pointing your gun at people.) (No shots need to be fired before the police can take action)

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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you NYC folk wouldn't understand amidoingitright?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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LOL! About as much as Minnesotans.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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You said it was described as an active shooter situation to justify the response. Who described it as such?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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the officer in the article I linked. I even gave you the name. try reading it. it's in quotes.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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how do you drop a gun that's in your waistband without reaching into your waistband? I've never been able to figure that out

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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same with being an active shooter without firing a shot and having the gun in waistband I guess definitions are fluid

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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According to the people present and experts who reviewed the video, he was pulling the gun out of his waistband when he was shot. You can't see how a gun falls out of a persons hand?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Maybe you should read the officers statement.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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http://prosecutor.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_prosecutor/en-US/Tamir%20Rice%20Investigation/Officer%20Loehmann%20Statement.pdf

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Do you understand why even in an open carry state you are not allowed to pull a gun out waving around and point it at people?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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when you are told to drop a gun that's in your waistband, how can you follow the command to drop it without touching the gun?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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That park looked empty, he must have been pointing it at ghosts. Only person in the video was Tamir Rice, and the real active shooter the police. The prosecutor stated he didn't ask for charges because "he give police the benefit of doubt."

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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follow the command - you get shot don't follow the command - you get shot

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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he sure seems to describe doing and saying a lot in the very little time after the cruiser stopped...

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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not to mention that originally the command was reported as "drop the gun" three times, not "show me your hands" you remember that, right?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Bhavn, the call from dispatch to the officers told them he was pointing the gun at people. You should listen to the audio.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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the initial police reports or the initial media reports said "drop the gun"? His statement says "show me your hands". At which time he reached into his waistband and started to pull out a gun. As verified by video expert

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Why? the person recording the video, made the call to 911. They also said they think it's a kid with a toy. You should read what the caller's said to 911.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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What he said happened didn't happen after the car stopped. That's not how I read his statement.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Bhavn did you hear the audio to the cops? They didn't know anything about it being a child. They were never told that. I'm sure you know that already.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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"drop the weapon" came from media reports of official statements from Cleveland PD saying the officers gave that command. I dunno why the verbiage changed.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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they had no megaphone. so unless all those commands were given inside the car with the windows up, they all must have happened in the less than two seconds after he got out of the cruiser

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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the official story didn't match the video a theme in the wapo link way above I quoted

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Police cars have PA systems. Welcome to 2015.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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The media has never been known to get anything wrong. LOL

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Like police has never been known to lie on reports, or plant drugs and weapons on victims. "SMH".

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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They planted drugs on Tamir Rice?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Maybe they planted the gun! Before the video started. They planned the whole thing! LOL

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Listen. It is what it is. You guys are anti police no matter what the facts say. I prefer to be a little more flexible. There are bad cops and there are good cops. The vast majority are good, hard working decent people.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Sometimes there are cops who do bad ####. Sometimes there are cops who are falsely accused. Sometimes the media riles people up.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Trayvon was wrong. No matter what the media and low information people think. Our law and criminal justice said so. I agree and you don't.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Michael Brown was wrong. No matter what the media and low information people think. Our law and criminal justice said so. I agree and you don't.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Eric Garner was wrong. No matter what the media and low information people think. Our law and criminal justice said so. I agree and you don't.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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the driver took the passenger cop too close to the kid he had to shoot. I guess they slid on wet grass

Mr. Pink @ over 1 year ago

Dripping Springs, TX 78620, USA

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Tamir Rice was tragically wrong. No matter what the media and low information people think. Our law and criminal justice said so. I agree and you don't.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Who am I missing?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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No! pro justice. As long as prosecutor continue to give police the benefit of doubt, Justice we never be served for the citizens of this country. " I fear for my life, I thought they had a weapon, they reached for their waistband." Every police

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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officers get out jail free card, to commit crime.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive you got about 1115 to go

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Bad link. The sad part is that if that's what I think it is. I would be able to do the same for 99% of them. And you know that's the truth. Cops aren't the evil murderous monsters the left think they are.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Just people who do a hard job. Regular people. Family people. Law abiding people. God fearing people. With the very few bad apples mixed within. Just like any other group of people.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database fixed

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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many of those on the list were bad people. but not every single one of them. i agree they aren't monsters...perhaps a bit trigger happy though. for example, the shooting in Chicago over the weekend

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Still bad

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Not even trigger happy.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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perhaps the level of force is needlessly escalated in many situations.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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If not every person on that list was a bad person, please show the case where the person was a law abiding completely innocent person and the officer was exonerated.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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The shooting in Chicago over the weekend? Do we have all the facts yet? Have you made your mind up already?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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perhaps it's suspicious when the official report doesn't match video. and multiple officers corroborate the untrue story (or don't correct it) again and again and again.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Are you talking about the guy who charged at the officers with a bat?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Needlessly escalated in your eyes.

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no, the woman.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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The Tamir rice case video didn't match the official report? Link please.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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The woman in Chicago? Are you saying the police acted criminally in her death? Or was it accidental?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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As long as the so call good police officers standby and do nothing about the actions of the bad ones. They should all be painted with the broad brush as being corrupt.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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So when's Obama gonna chime in on Rahm Emanuel?

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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accidental death is still a death. the guy was mentally ill. many on that list are as well. mental illness is not unique to the US. yet somehow, other LEOs in other countries have managed to find ways to deescalate similar situations

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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would you say the same about Muslims? Blacks? Doctors?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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without firing a shot.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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The vast majority of all of these groups are good people.

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it's almost in the training. we've discussed this before. lots of time on the firing range here in the US. relatively little training on deescalation.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Have other countries or is that what the media states? Do you have any proof of this? In not saying it is or it isn't. I'm saying I don't know. But you apparently do.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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The woman was accidentally killed. The police have admitted that. That doesn't make it a crime. Or police misconduct.

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is there anything similar to the thin blue line for any if those groups?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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did I ever say her death was a crime or misconduct? if I did, where?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Like a "stop snitching" thing?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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actually, there is data http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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now you know

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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I'm asking? You brought up her death. If you're not implying that the police were acting criminally why would you bring it up? As another example of the police acting in good faith? Thanks.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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You know well that many factors go into explaining deaths by police in other countries. Mostly cultural differences. Or, you could just believe that American police officers are out of control. It seems easier.

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I think the keyword in that article is US police dealing with more dangerous situations, somehow one would need to adjust for that for a real comparison

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Is it the American police ifficers fault that a 12 year old is walking around flashing a gun? Maybe a police officer from Iceland would have handled it differently.

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The other thing is none of those countries have the kinda per capita guns we've got which makes cops encounters with suspects here a lot more dangerous. But I feel like we still have problems

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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brought up as an example of needless escalation.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Needless according to you. But not to the law.

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I do know very well there are cultural differences. that goes for criminals AND police. those differences aside, the difference in numbers is staggering.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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And the law is what matters.

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So why when African American criminals commit crimes, it is always viewed as an Africa American community problem. Never hear white on white, or Asian on Asian crime. No broad brush strokes on those communities.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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If police encounter a suspect in UK what are the chances the guy's got a gun? Just based on the estimated legal and illegal guns in that country. It's something to keep in mind.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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true drew. but not all crazy people shot here have guns.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Yeah that's true but the chances would be much much higher here

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Cops sometimes don't even know.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Anyway that doesn't excuse some of the stuff that happens here but if cops are being too trigger happy here, one reason is because the suspects often are. In other places, the suspect wouldn't have a trigger

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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So you're justifying the misconduct of police officers, with the" no snitching" code of criminals.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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I'm not justifying anything. Neither group should be lumped in with the few bad apples. But if you hold one group to a standard, shouldn't you hold them all?

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Drew. I agree that may be a part. And there are many more factors involved. These other cultures have a higher level of respect and understanding of police work. Maybe because of smaller communities. I don't know.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Cases like these (brown, garner, rice) make it worse for American police. The media casting them in a bad light even when they're proven to be justified unecessarily muddies the waters. And all of society pays.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Skal and B you guys are really funny with the "open carry" stuff. I wish you knew how silly you guys sound. 1) Tucking a gun into your waistband is NOT open carry. 2) when carrying in public, whether concealed or open, you NEVER NEVER NEVER remove

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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your firearm from your holster.

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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Perhaps overpolicing and the charged racial history between blacks and police is the reason for less respect in these communities towards LEOs.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

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I'm a strict believer that these things must be evaluated on a case by case basis. I just rewarded the video and by no means is it clear that given that this shooting wasn't justified.

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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I'm no expert on police training and tactics but it does seem a little nuts to pull up 4 feet away from the suspect when there is no one else around. Seems like a huge mistake on the part of the police.

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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@ah - the point with the "open carry" was that a black kid holding a gun in the public in an open carry state shouldn't equal active shooter.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Active shooter requires shots fired. 911 calls are never accurate.

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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However video clearly shows the kid walking around with a realistic weapon in his hand. Not holstered. Not concealed. No open carrier ANYWHERE would EVER walk around carrying their gun in their hand

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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The fact that you've just reiterated that shows you don't know anything about carrying in public.

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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If I walked down main street where I live carrying a gun in my had you'd better believe I'd expect police to roll up guns drawn ready to shoot me. No doubt in my mind.

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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Ask h2o or racer or any of the other folks here that actually do carry in public

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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Your way off base with this one. That's not normal for you my friend.

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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Btw I'm not saying justified either. Just that it's way too close to call based on the youtube videos.

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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I do think it could have been avoided by approaching more cautiously since no one was near or in immediate danger.

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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Well stop blaming the African American community for the action of the few criminals. You're the one comparing the thin blue line, with the no snitching of criminals.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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My local Walmart 2 weeks ago... www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-east-stroudsburg-walmart-shooting-20151213-story.html

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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Oren carry state, no shots fired, so no active shooter. walking around with guns drawn acting nutty. Shot by police. Clearly justified based on information so far. No video yet though.

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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That incident doesn't even compare to Tamir Rice. Watching the video no one was in the park, but rice. When police bum rushed him he was under the gazebo.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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@AH - a bit of context is missing. a few months before tamir's shooting, John Crawford was shot in Walmart across the state in beavercreek, also holding a toy gun.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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both were excessive responses to a black man openly possessing a gun in public while not an active threat to anyone.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Don't know the Walmart case. Was that the guy who picked up the air rifle in the store?

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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Being a toy is insignificant by the way. You can't make that kind of judgment call on the fly. Orange tips or not (which bb guns do not have)

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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PA law use of deadly force laws specifically state the aggressor must have a deadly weapon or a REPLICA of a deadly weapon. What matters is that you reasonably believe at the time of the shooting that it is a weapon and that deadly force is

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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required to prevent imminent serious bodily injury, death, kidnapping or rape.

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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I assume other states have similar definitions.

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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toy or real does not matter.

Arlington Heights @ over 1 year ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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I agree that toy/airsoft/pellet/real doesn't matter.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

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Rice and Crawford didn't even get a chance to get some Burger King...and they didn't even shoot anyone.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

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Should the police wait until they are shot at or someone else is being shot at before they shoot?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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are they a menace to south central while drinking juice in the hood?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Thank you.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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for?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Just say you're welcome and move on to another thread.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Prosecutor defends his action not asking the grand jury to bring charges against the officers. I thought the prosecutor's job was to get justice for the victim, not the accused.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Temple, TX, USA

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that cop was thrown into a situation where he was three feet away from somebody with a gun. It's not a duel black kids are nuts they're shooting as they're running OUT of the convenience store YouTube it

Mr. Pink @ over 1 year ago

North Royalton, OH, USA

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B I think you would have done the same thing. perhaps the driver should be charged but that was just a mistake he slid on the wet grass it appears

Mr. Pink @ over 1 year ago

North Royalton, OH, USA

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Pinky! Please I have heard too many police officers on talking radio condemning their actions. I wonder is it proper procedure to stop three feet in front of a suspect they believe to be armed. Maybe PLC can answer that question.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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??

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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don't you understand? I'm saying the passenger cop certainly didn't say pull right up next to this guy with a gun damn gun! I'm sure it's not freaking proper procedure because they want to go home to their god damn families

Mr. Pink @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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B, the prosecutor has a reason to lay down on the case: he's on the same team as the defendant(s). How effed up is that.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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OH, THE IGNORANCE!!!!!

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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man you guys would burn this guy for going home that night instead of getting killed

Mr. Pink @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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I think the Tamir Rice shooting is a prime example of poor police training in deescalation tactics.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I agree with Arlington regarding the open carry statues. Open carry simply means you can display a firearm openly ON YOUR PERSON. Never in your hands. That's an absolute no-no that'll get you åss shot.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Pistols go in holsters. Long rifles get slings and are worn over the shoulder. Putting your finger anywhere near a trigger will get a weapon drawn on you with a quickness.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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(I wish I woulda said that! LOL)

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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I think the driver of the police cruiser is guilty of negligent homicide. His actions caused the death of Tamir Rice. The death was absolutely avoidable.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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The police made no attempt to deescalate the situation. Their training must improve.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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https://www.rt.com/usa/327296-woman-gun-police-survives/ an interesting contrast in police response to Tamir Rice

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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@racer re last point: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/28/tamir_rice_s_death_didn_t_lead_to_indictments_because_of_supreme_court_vagueness.html

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/01/06/poli-j06.html?view=article_mobile

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/07/watch-texas-cops-shoot-and-kill-man-brandishing-fake-gun/

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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http://www.whas11.com/story/news/local/2015/10/21/deputy-coroner-ids-man-killed-officer-involved-shooting/74324580/

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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^white guy with fake gun killed by 2 black police officers. wheres the outrage?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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where's the video?

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Lawrenceville, GA, USA

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if the suspect did, in fact, point a gun at the cops, the shooting is justified.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Lawrenceville, GA, USA

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different scenarios from Tamir Rice

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Lawrenceville, GA, USA

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Totally different. All three links stated the victim pointed the gun at the police officers.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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All 3 are the same scenario as Tamir Rice. Pointing the gun is not and never has been a requirement to respond. Nor will it ever be.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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(brandish doesn't mean point)

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Older caucasian lady points fake gun at police officers and live, African American male points finger at police officer is killed. Where's your outrage plc.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Why should I be outraged? White people are killed for having fake guns, Black people, Latin people. Theres no race issue. Unless you want there to be one.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Youre the one thats outraged. But only when its a black person. Hmmm! I wonder why. Wait! I know why! It's because you're a racist POS! How could I forget that?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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The nuance is important.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Duluth, GA 30097, USA

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The details of the case make all the difference in the world. That's why video of the incident is critical.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Duluth, GA 30097, USA

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If youre outraged at one (like you), you should be outraged at all. If you're not outraged at any (like me) you shouldn't be outraged at all.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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That's why the number of police being indicted for shootings had increased with video availability.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Duluth, GA 30097, USA

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Particularly when the police statement doesn't match the video.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Duluth, GA 30097, USA

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Then you should be happy. If more cops are being indicted, why are you guys so whiny? Isnt that what you want? (even if they are exonerated at trial)

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Why asked where's the outrage over two African American police officers shooting a caucasian male who pointed a "fake" gun at them. Not one of the links you posted are comparable to Tamil Rice.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Everybody wants their day in court. Like the Trayvon Martin and Sean Bell cases. But when they do get their day and they find that the verdict didnt go their way, they STILL get upset. WTF!!

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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(and the Dialo case)

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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If a Police Officer is wrong, he should pay the price. If that means jail time, so be it. I don't have a problem with that. The issue is in defining right and wrong. Who defines it? The judicial system. Deal with it.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Bhaven, every single one is comparable to Tamir Rice. You dont want to see it because of your racist lenses.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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I wonder where in the Tamir Rice case did the police reports not match the video.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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I understand. You think the officers were wrong. Based solely on the video. You have an emotional reaction to a tragedy. The child is dead. You think someone should pay for this. I get it. It's a normal reaction.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Wishing you a happy New Year. Hope you enjoy whatever plans you may have. Remember that while you are celebrating, there are brave men and women out there protecting you at all times. Thank them when you can.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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http://imgur.com/aq5Fd8y

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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They were all killed by police, that is about it. Why is the child dead is the question. Why didn't the prosecutor find justice for the victim, but he fought harder for the accused.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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That explains why so many unarmed people are being shot and killed by police. Just thinking someone has a weapon can and has gotten people shot by police.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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They were killed by police. For having a gun. A gun that turned out to be fake. A gun that looked real. The shooters (of various races) were not indicted. Their actions were deemed appropriate. According to the law.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Some will say the officer is the victim. He has to live with this for the rest of his life. Because the boy did something foolish. Sad all the way around.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Yes. seeing a person grab a weapon is enough to be shot and killed. Always been like that and always will be like that.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Yeah being a kid playing in the park, looking at the video an empty park. Wasn't posing a threat to anyone, sitting at a table under the gazebo. Foolish how by following instructions given by hypersensitive rookie police " drop the gun". Please

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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explain how can you drop a gun in your waist band or pocket if you can reach for it.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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Playing in the park (with a gun). Did the cop tell him to drop his gun or to show him his hands?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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You need for me to explain to you how something falls out of your hand when youre shot?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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That's the question, why was he shot. You saw the video his hands were down by his side, until given instructions by the police and shot within a second after their arrival on the scene.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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We must be talking about different cases. There is no audio on the video I saw. And the video was examined by experts who said he was pulling his gun out of his waistband when he was shot. What case are you talking about

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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you realize more than one expert weighed in on the case, right?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/12/tamir_rice_had_hands_in_pocket.html

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Many people "weighed in on the case". Maybe this "expert" is corr ct. Maybe this officer just shot the child for no reason whatsoever other than the color of his skin. Maybe. We'll never know. No indictment.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Truth.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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I do hope bhippie tries out the new open carry in texas by walking down the street waving a gun.

President Not Sure @ over 1 year ago

Florissant, MO, USA

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Only a little p*ssy needs to walk around carrying a weapon out in the open. I call them 7/11 warriors, showing how tough they in a convenient store. Also when Tamir was gunned down he was waving anything.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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*wasn't waving*

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

441587fe232d918c3a4c8497d22aa156

so that means you are going to do it?

President Not Sure @ over 1 year ago

Florissant, MO, USA

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No that means I expect your p*ssy a$$ to moved down here with the rest of these paranoia right wing coward.

Bhaven87 @ over 1 year ago

Killeen, TX 76543, USA

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During a state range qualification course, Ptl Loehmann was distracted and weepy, could not follow simple directions, could not communicate clear thoughts nor recollections, and his handgun performance was dismal.

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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Sgt Tinnirello tried to work through this with Ptl Loehmann by giving him some time. But, after some talking it was clear to Sgt Tinnirello that the recruit was just not mentally prepared to be doing firearm training

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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Ptl Loehmann continued with his emotional meltdown to a point where Sgt Tinnirello could not take him into the store, so they went to get something to eat and he continued to try and calm Ptl Loehmann.

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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Sgt Tinnirello describes the recruit as being very downtrodden, melancholy with some light crying. Sgt Tinnirello later found this emotional perplexity was due to a personal issue with

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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Ptl Loehmann’s on and off again girlfriend whom he was dealing with till 0400 hrs the night before. (Pti Loehmann was scheduled for 0800 the morning in question).

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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Some of the comments made by Ptl Loehmann during this discourse were to the effect of, “I should have gone to NY”, “maybe I should quit”, “I have no friends”, “I only hang out with 73-year-old priests”,

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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“I have cried every day for four months about this girl.”

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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Due to this dangerous loss of composure during live range training and his inability to manage this personal stress, I do not believe Ptl Loehmann shows the maturity needed to work in our employment,

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of the city of Independence. I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies.

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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It looks like his marksmanship improved.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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https://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/1/9/1356660/-The-outrageous-tragic-hiring-of-Officer-Timothy-Loehmann-by-the-Cleveland-PD

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/04/justice/cleveland-police-officer-timothy-loehmann/

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2014/12/cleveland_paid_out_100000_to_w.html

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

http://prosecutor.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_prosecutor/en-US/Tamir%20Rice%20Investigation/Officer%20Garmback%20Statement.pdf

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

http://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/index.ssf/2015/06/cleveland_police_officers_loeh.html

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/06/fbi_agent_who_gave_first_aid_t.html

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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i know you are not interested in actual debate plc, you think opinions are sacrosanct and facts are debatable. but the facts are clear, he should have never been a police officer, and if there was any accountability in

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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the system he wouldn't have to be prosecuted, but he would certainly have to be fired given the circumstances.

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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study after study has proven that blacks are treated as more mature and more guilty than a white counterpart. loehmann himself described rice as around 20 years old.

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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a valid criticism of ron paul is that he has said racist things among the lines of 95% of blacks in dc are criminals and black 14 olds are more adult than white 14 year olds. i believe ron paul believes these things.

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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i believe he is lying when he says he didn't mean it or he didn't write it. this is a common idea held by white people and it is supported in so many studies its harder to measure because people hide their racism better.

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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Loehmann shot a child, not even a teenager, a child in 2 seconds because he believed in his guilt the second he saw him. now he is either a racist or the worst police officer in the world, this is who you are defending.

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2014/03/black-boys-older.aspx

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/11/americans-see-innocent-black-kids-as-guilty-adults.html

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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i know i don't need to tell you what would happen if this kid was black. http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/downtime/this-kid-trying-to-eat-an-entire-watermelon-is-winning-the-internet/vi-AAgl83G?ocid=iehp

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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Yeah...that melon never would've stood a chance.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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just pour a little malt liquor in that thing and he could feed his family for a week.

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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yeah I certainly would have waited until he pointed it at me and pulled the trigger to make sure it wasn't real just like you would hippy I mean that's the only way to be sure right?

Mr. Pink @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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no That's not the only way, but thanks for playing.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I don't think the passenger had a choice. that driver put him a couple feet away from the kid.

Mr. Pink @ over 1 year ago

North Royalton, OH, USA

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I agree. the driver contributed to the shooting

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Lithonia, GA 30058, USA

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His actions are partially responsible for the kids death

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Lithonia, GA 30058, USA

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I surely think he would would not have shot the kid dead had they stoped 100 yards away and I'm pretty sure he didn't say it's a toy gun get right next to him I'm going to kill him

Mr. Pink @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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and had it been a real gun and the kid was out for blood it would have been quite easy for him to kill that cop. statistically the odds of a black kid with a real gun on the streets are higher than any other race

Mr. Pink @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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and I can say sadly that confidently without looking it up. not my fault

Mr. Pink @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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"but the facts are clear, he should have never been a police officer" This is not a fact. It is an opinion. Do we have to go through this again?

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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That's right, it's an opinion. And opinions can't be wrong. He never should have been a police officer.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Redan, GA, USA

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Thank you for your opinion. At least you stated it correctly. Maybe you should teach your buddy the difference.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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im pretty sure pink that nobody can say "its a toy gun" in 2 seconds.

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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what good are orange tips if cops shoot you for putting your hands at your waist.

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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I dint understand why cops can't just take one or to just to verify its real. They got vests to protect vital areas. And they're trained for these situations. It's part of the job they knew they were signing on for.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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seems to me that when sporting a gun and confronted by a cop you can either raise your hands or shoot the cop

Mr. Pink @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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that's wrong plc! at that point the officer could already be dead, in fact, police should show up to every scene and start shooting, it. domestic disputes get pretty heated and often involve firearms already anyway.

[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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I'm never wrong. I would expect you to know that already. Fix your face!

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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"I dint understand why cops can't just take one or to just to verify its real. They got vests to protect vital areas." -PLC Your current logical fallacy is known as a False Dichotomy (or False Dilemma).

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Jonesboro, GA 30238, USA

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It suggests there are only 2 solutions to a problem, and ignores the infinite possibility of alternative solutions. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/False_dilemma

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Jonesboro, GA 30238, USA

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There are a number of ways the Tamir Rice incident could have been handled differently in order to more thoroughly evaluate the situation and attempt to deescalate it.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Jonesboro, GA 30238, USA

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A. Shooting the kid B. Waiting for the kid to shoot the cop ...are not the only alternatives.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Jonesboro, GA 30238, USA

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Ignoring, or failing to explore all of your options is literally retarded. re·tard verb riˈtärd/ 1. delay, restrict, or hold back in terms of progress, development, or accomplishment.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Jonesboro, GA 30238, USA

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(tongue in cheek)

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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There are always other options available. Everyone can be thoroughly examined and weighed AFTER THE FACT. I dont think this was the best way to handle this situation knowing what I know now.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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I wish the boy were still alive. I really do. However, I do not think the officer acted criminally. I dont think he, or the driver, should be charged with a crime. The responded to a potentially dangerous situation with

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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many unknowns. In a perfect world, things like this never happen. We have to understand that a perfect world aint ever gonna happen.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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I wish the parents didnt allow him to play with that gun. Outside. Unsupervised. I wish the dispatcher had given the officers all of the information provided by the caller. I wish the driver didnt get so close.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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Even if he slid.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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I wish the kid didnt reach for the gun.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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You don't think the actions of the driver were negligent and led to the death of the kid?

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Bonanza, GA, USA

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I believe the dispatcher also is partially responsible for the death. I'm not sure how the law works in regards to liability of emergency dispatchers. I need to conduct some research.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Jonesboro, GA 30238, USA

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I do not think the drivers actions were criminal. Nor negligent. Nor do I think the dispatcher is criminally responsible.

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/cleveland-announces-administrative-charges-to-be-filed-in-tamir-rice-case/385912977

Taco Bowl @ 5 months ago

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