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We don't need the wall...But Mexico might! http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/citing-jobs-family-mexicans-leaving-us-coming-reversing-35305376

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

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Rosie Perez too?

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Pink.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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yes?

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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You're adding nothing to the convo.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Net immigration between US and Mexico is about even over the last several years. If you sample only the past year or two, there is a net emigration to Mexico.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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/Net migration/

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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caused by a weaker economy --Obama's fault tougher border enforcement-- Donald trumps frame of mind. So what's your point Doc?

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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That maybe we don't need a wall

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Just maybe

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Although we need to do something about your little Mogadishu.. If it's creating ISIS types... Better integration perhaps...

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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2 Mexicans leave, 8 Syrians enter, nothing to see here, no wall needed. . no border security or patrols needed . save a ton of cash, right doc? .

H2O @ over 1 year ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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c'mon H give her some credit

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Punishing the illegals doing the hiring would be a far more cost effective than a 2000 mile wall. But the plan does have some problems. It doesn't work as well in selling the fear that drives political action.

Paul outta Hemet @ over 1 year ago

Gardnerville, NV 89410, USA

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And the "punish the job creators" hurts the two major parties. The Dems won't want to acknowledge the power of job creators. The Reps won't want to use the job creators narrative if they can't use it to play the role of victim.

Paul outta Hemet @ over 1 year ago

Gardnerville, NV 89410, USA

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Yep

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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h2o, what wall will you build to keep out the Syrians? That wall better be high enough to keep out a plane.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Maybe we build it across our beachfronts to keep out boats?

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Anyway I think the non-immigrant visa, for tourists etc. is so much easier to get, very little scrutiny in fact, why go through the trouble of formal immigration? That appears to be a far greater danger.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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wtf evil, you're getting more delusional as you age... fùcking menopause must really suck, for Mr good bar. . where did I say build a physical wall .

H2O @ over 1 year ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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(as far as the terrorism issue goes anyway). Most tourists are welcome with open arms...we love them to come spend their money. That's our security floodgate.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Oh, so a theoretical wall then, h2o? 2 Mexicans leave, 8 Syrians come in, nothing to see here, no wall needed? That wall? It's a metaphysical wall now?

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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ok fine. I'll play. What metaphysical wall will keep the Syrians out?

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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You can't just hop on a plane without showing your passport Doc.....and only certain passports are allowed to participate in the Visa waiver program (even then you need to submit a simple electronic pre-application nowadays for US admittance).

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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So any "metaphysical wall" obviously would be in the form of visa restrictions for holders of Syrian passports..

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Not exactly the same process for everyone coming over as a non-immigrant eh? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_visa_refusal_rate.png

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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if it's terrorists we're taking about, don't most enter legally? if it's strange brown people who soak a funny language, carry on.

UndrWater @ over 1 year ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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I was just correcting the Doc on the idea that every country is treated the same when it comes to their would-be tourists. Forget about terrorism, if that's how things worked our illegal immigration problem would be many, many times larger.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Less about brown and language than about where a country is on the HDI index and how stable the govt there is currently.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Did I say every country treats potential tourists the same?

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Seemed like it.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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There's a pretty high rejection rate on non-immigrant visas for citizens of certain countries. That'd indicate that for them it's not so simple. We' can't be *that* welcoming.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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temporary visa. the graphic doesn't show whether it's tourist or employment based.

UndrWater @ over 1 year ago

Westwood, Los Angeles, CA

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Lots of student visas from every country you can imagine, as well. Weren't the Paris terrorists Belgian citizens? I've not heard that the U.S. is overly restrictive on visas for Europeans.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Establishing citizenship in many neutral/favored (from a U.S. standpoint) countries isn't that difficult.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Establish citizenship in Europe, Latin America etc., apply for graduate studies in the U.S., get student visa. That's just one possible path. Foreign grad students fly under the radar in the sciences...they're at least 50% of the class. For post

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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doctoral gigs I would bet that number is closer to 75%. And from everywhere...South Africa to China, Latin America to the middle east, you name it they're here for a U.S. education.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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link?

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ over 1 year ago

Medina Township, OH, USA

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No link, just a guesstimation based on personal experience. The percent isn't really material...what is, is that there are many such people in the U.S. now and on an ongoing basis.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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It's kinda hard to establish citizenship in Europe I believe.. *but* You're exactly right Doc.. The Paris terrorists were Belgian citizens I believe .. Belgium is one of those that qualifies for VWP.. So there's that...major problem.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Not sure it's THE problem. I'm just making the point that all the hand wringing over immigration and the link to terrorism is missing the forest for the trees...our borders are much more porous in other ways that are more likely to be problematic.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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I disagree, we need a secure border and for the last 20years we have had anything but. Build the Wall - history has shown time & again walls work. You have them all around you right now - they keep the non-criminals out.

BRAD3000 @ over 1 year ago

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Yeah let's do that. How much would that cost? Do we wall of the oceans too or just Canada and Mexico? Do you agree to pay your share of taxes required to build it? Who will be kept out with the wall? Mexicans? Hello they don't come here anymore

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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in case you didn't read the posted article. Canadians don't care to come here. So to sum up, you think we should spend 10 trillion to wall off...Who now???

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Paraguayans

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Those chicharo eating bastards have had it too good for too long!

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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so you 2 are in favor of no border controls? .

H2O @ over 1 year ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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no. that's a Strawman. nobody said no border controls except you.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I actually think a wall, IN STRATEGIC LOCATIONS, is a good idea. I don't think we need to span the entire border.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I think more intelligent border enforcement is needed.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Drones with infrared cameras to detect heat signatures and capture potential illegal aliens. Increased border guards.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Increased penalties for the illegals, and more importantly, the coyotes who being them across.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Increased penalties for the illegals, and more importantly, the coyotes who being them across.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I think border security is immensely important.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I like you, H2O, and we agree on many topics...but you gotta stop with the hyperbole. Not everyone who disagrees with you is your enemy. Nobody agrees with you 100% of the time.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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We need to be able to discuss issues rationally.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I'll agree with Racer. I think strategically located walled areas, particularly in hard to police border regions, may be helpful. But justifying the costs on the basis of the benefit gained is going to be a tough sell...if one lives in the real

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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world and not political hate n' fear land.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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H2O I know you want to look smart by tripping up others. plc plays the same game, in a different manner. It doesn't make you look smart. It makes you look like you got nothing. Surely you can do better.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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If you are trying to score points for your side, try coming up with a real point. Something fact based that points up a logical fallacy in someone else's reasoning. For example, in this post I try to show that the astronomical expense of building a

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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wall such as the Trump crowd advocates is a stupid idea. I do that by providing facts: net migration between the U.S. and Mexico us into Mexico.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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That doesn't prove we shouldn't build it, but it certainly is evidence that those who advocate it are reacting to emotions and not facts.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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There: see how that works? Now we can discuss our opinions on these facts and not take cheap and frankly desperate sounding shots. You're welcome.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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If you're opinion is that we need more security to keep out terrorists, I'll agree to that. The question is how. Do you have any ideas, H2O? Racer threw out some good ideas. Maybe you can add to the discussion in a productive way.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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I think if monitored effectively using existing technology, the southern border could be secured relatively cheaply.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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High population areas get walls and plenty of border patrols. More rural areas get surveillance drones to look for activity (infrared, motion, etc).

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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When an entry party is detected, for waste money chasing them through the desert. Track their activity, and pick them up when they approach civilization.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Increased the penalty (financial and criminal) for those providing them safe harbor. Crack down on employers who offer them opportunity in the US.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Make every part off an attempted illegal entry into the US more difficult and painful.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I fully agree with maximizing use of drones. Very efficient and minimizes risk to innocent lives. Implementation is flexible and can be effective even when gradual.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Hudson, WI 54016, USA

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drones, personnel detectors, fencing, concrete are all currently in use, but we have administration's, past & present, that really don't give a fùck. (to varying degrees) . Now the current solution is to pardon illegal behavior, grant citizenship,

H2O @ over 1 year ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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and you chastise those who disagree. Some are over the top, a 2000 mile concrete wall, but so isn't 12 million criminals being rewarded with benefits and taxpayer funds. .

H2O @ over 1 year ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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I agree with the idea of deporting illegals when caught. Especially in the instances of arrests for criminal activity.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I think proof of citizenship should be mandatory in order to receive government benefits.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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including enrollment in any school

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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like I said...make it extremely difficult and undesirable to live a daily life as an illegal immigrant in the US

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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tough to get in tough to live tough to work deported when caught

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Similarly to slave owners, who at least realized the economic ramifications of ending slavery, we as a nation would suffer economically if all the illegals were somehow deported. That's an unfortunate reality.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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that's what we forget to do after ending slavery!

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ over 1 year ago

Parma Heights, OH, USA

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Immigration and trade agreements go hand-in-hand. If we're gonna get rid of what little cheap labor we have, it's critical that we broker international trade agreements that reflect this reality.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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When's Eli Whitney's great-great-grandson gonna invent the lettuce gin?

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I was thinking about something though, have you noticed everyone's been concentrating on the *guy* involved with this attack? I think the reason why is because authorities missed signs on the wife involved.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Now apparently, the K-1 visa process especially has become a lot easier and streamlined so perhaps the older process might have signalled something was amiss with this relationship.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Key thing to keep in mind is despite how sexist these cultures are... One very important way for women to eek out a bit more respect and equality is to participate in terror activities. This bítch could have masterminded most of it for all we know.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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or been told her child would die if she didn't for all we know...

UndrWater @ over 1 year ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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excuses

H2O @ over 1 year ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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The administrations that didn't care to stop the inflow of cheap labor were supported by the business owners and consumers who enjoyed the benefits of cheap labor.

Paul outta Hemet @ over 1 year ago

Gardnerville, NV 89410, USA

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The pragmatic solution to the problem we all had some part in is to announce today is the cut off date. They have 30 days to come out of of the shadows to prove employment. They are rewarded with residency rather than citizenship.

Paul outta Hemet @ over 1 year ago

Gardnerville, NV 89410, USA

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excuses...for all we know...

UndrWater @ over 1 year ago

Artesia, CA, USA

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Paul, the cons will never, ever agree to just allow those who came here illegally to stay. Except the ones that make their food, mow their lawns, wash their dishes, and clean their toilets.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Oh and of course in the case of Donald Trump, we make an exception for immigrants we want to fúck.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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yikes hateful

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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how are the animals, Pink?

UndrWater @ over 1 year ago

Northwest Torrance, Torrance, CA

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Doc - And the libs never want to talk about how ridiculous to jump past the residency option straight to citizenship.

Paul outta Hemet @ over 1 year ago

Gardnerville, NV 89410, USA

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see how useful this binary thinking is? sigh.

UndrWater @ over 1 year ago

Torrance, CA, USA

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died Water I will never love again

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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sorry...that sucks.

UndrWater @ over 1 year ago

9330-9398 S 8th Ave, Inglewood, CA 90305

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thaks..kicking around getting a dog or a Syrian refugee

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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n

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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why not both?

UndrWater @ over 1 year ago

South Redondo, Redondo Beach, CA

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it's sometimes difficult to find a dog that's good with Syrians

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ over 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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http://www.theonion.com/video/mexico-builds-border-wall-to-keep-out-us-####s-14349

Dr. Evil @ about 1 year ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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I love their 404 page: "The Cambodian sweatshop where every letter of The Onion is hand-stitched onto the internet recently burned to the ground, claiming the lives of hundreds of underage laborers and webpages."

UndrWater @ about 1 year ago

Southwood, Torrance, CA

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"The URL you were looking for was tragically among those lost."

UndrWater @ about 1 year ago

Southwood, Torrance, CA

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@doc - your url has a word that yodamap censors. hence...linky no worky

Racer X @ about 1 year ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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I found it...the word is åssholes

Racer X @ about 1 year ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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check out the big brains on Brad

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ about 1 year ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Sorry guys! didn't think about that when posting. Basically an Onion article about Mexico building a wall to keep the ássholes from the U.S. out.

Dr. Evil @ about 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN 55043, USA

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and let's their lowlife cross into the US, win win for the cans .

H2O @ about 1 year ago

Spotsylvania Courthouse, VA 22553, USA

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hey, WE'RE here water brother! have some tolerance! this country does for us!

UndrWater @ about 1 year ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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I think he meant that as a compliment. They're MexiCANS...not MexiCANT'S!

Racer X @ about 1 year ago

Lilburn, GA 30047, USA

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Sí se puede!

Racer X @ about 1 year ago

Lilburn, GA 30047, USA

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