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Not an original thought by any means, but..... How is that lady who refused to issue gay marriage licenses (something I don't agree with) any different than my or any other city with its sanctuary policies?

The Drew @ almost 2 years ago

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Sorry about the grammar.. Let me fix. Scratch the bit after `different` and replace with: ^ "than what my city or others are doing with their sanctuary policies."

The Drew @ almost 2 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

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Technically, that attention whore refused to issue marriage licenses, not gay marriage license. There is no such thing as a gay marriage license in the same way there is no such thing as an interracial marriage license.

Paul outta Hemet @ almost 2 years ago

Gardnerville, NV 89410, USA

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All legally recognized marriages get the same license. But to your point, so long as the cities are refusing to enforce laws they are required to enforce, they are as guilty as that attention whore.

Paul outta Hemet @ almost 2 years ago

Gardnerville, NV 89410, USA

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The flip side of that question is why the Venn diagram of supporters for each don't overlap more. My feel the answer is that those supporters are position first, principle second types.

Paul outta Hemet @ almost 2 years ago

Gardnerville, NV 89410, USA

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/09/02/why-kim-daviss-refusal-to-issue-same-sex-marriage-licenses-is-legally-different-from-a-sanctuary-citys-refusal-to-cooperate-with-federal-immigration-law

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 2 years ago

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^^The well written legal reason from Jonathan Adler

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 2 years ago

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"because liberal" one of the comments. funny.

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

South Redondo, Redondo Beach, CA

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Jonathan Alder is a total dork and screw his interpretation of the Constitution

Mr. Pink @ almost 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Thanks Skål.

The Drew @ almost 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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np

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 2 years ago

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And @ Paul, gay marriage licenses was just my clumsy shorthand for marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

The Drew @ almost 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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I strongly feel that each is equally guilty. There should be repercussions for government officials not executing their duties.

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Snellville, GA 30078, USA

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@Skal - great article. Thanks for the insight.

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Does that change your original thought?

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 2 years ago

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I still think that the ruling should be enforced, but I now understand that the state or city governments are under no legal obligation to do so. As such, I think the feds should be enforcing the immigration law.

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Drew re: shorthand. I get that. It is just one of those points I always address when I see it.

Paul outta Hemet @ almost 2 years ago

Gardnerville, NV 89410, USA

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There actually ARE gay marriage licenses. Not marriage licenses for Gary couples. ...the license itself is totally gay.

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Suwanee, GA 30024, USA

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They're printed on this pink, scented lace paper...in a real looping calligraphy font. there's glitter all around the margins

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Johns Creek, GA, USA

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They're made by Hallmark. They're folded like origami into the shape of an uncircumcised penis.

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Johns Creek, GA, USA

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If you unfold it, they play "Its Raining Men".

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Johns Creek, GA, USA

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They're really fücking gay

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Johns Creek, GA, USA

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http://www.local10.com/image/view/-/30351520/highRes/1/-/maxh/360/maxw/640/-/r7q6vt/-/marriage-license.jpg

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Johns Creek, GA, USA

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I'm guessing though that the legal situation regarding the sanctuary cities is more complicated than even Adler talks about (stuff he decided not 2 cite or whatever). But then the complexity is part of the difference between the clerk & sanct cities

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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And if the sanctuary city stuff did actually get to the Supreme Court, the "let's cite something Scalia said before therefore there's no possible way he could escape his prior reasoning" trick doesn't work.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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There's always an escape route for the justices to reason around a way they previous ruled. And if there is no obvious escape, they just make up a new legal test that explains the difference.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Marriage is a Religious construct not Government.

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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That remark about the justices is right on Drew. imo, they decide the outcome they want then they find a way to get there. Though I'm sure sometimes they are compelled to vote against their own personal belief. See: John Roberts and Obamacare.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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@ Free Thinker - marriage becomes a government institution the second that government benefits are attached to it.

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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I would bet the first marriages were for economic reasons. religion was likely thrown in as an appeasement.

UndrWater @ over 1 year ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Actually no because you can make anyone power of attorney. so no the idea of "Marriage" is religion

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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The constitution has a fugitive slave clause, and the the liberal northern states refused to enforce the constitution, when it was strengthened states put up signs warning runaway slaves that their police were being

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forced to arrest them and they should keep running.

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[412035] @ over 1 year ago

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states and cities are not bound by federal law to enforce immigration, quite the opposite, they enter into an agreement with ICE to help enforce illegal immigration, it is simply an opt out.

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Yeah I agree Doc, decide holding first then ask the clerks to figure out how to get there.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Free Thinker, I'm not sure what your power of attorney statement even means, but Racer is correct: marriage is both a religious and legal institution.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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The institution is illegal because of the entanglement of government and religion: ministers, priests etc. must be licensed by government to marry people.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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That's why I advocate for making marriage a religion only institution...government should confer civil union status. No person ordained to carry out the ceremony, just signing and filing of paperwork.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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If you are religious, get married by the church. Like the First Communion thing or any of the other personal religious ceremonies carried out by churches, there should be no official government recognition of marriage.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Just makes sense.

Dr. Evil @ over 1 year ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Im fine with that but only problem is they will eventually go after churches that wont marry gays.

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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If so, would such a case have a legal leg to stand on?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

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It wouldn't because in that case, it wouldn't matter who the church marries, since any church marriage wouldn't get recognized by the state. There'd need to be an extra civil step (completely separate) before or after.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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historically marriage has not been for religious purposes.

UndrWater @ over 1 year ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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I think a lot of immigrant weddings here do it, it makes the documentation very, very easy.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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So they pre-marry in city hall, then they have some big traditional wedding somewhere else, sometimes different ones in two countries. So could basically have three weddings to marry just one person hahha.

The Drew @ over 1 year ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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wife and I had civil wedding in el Salvador, religious in Mexico.

UndrWater @ over 1 year ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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@ Free Thinker - "power of attorney"? How the fück is that in any way relevant to the marriage benefits granted to couples?

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I dont care if you want to marry a goat. Just churches are off limit,but we all know they wont stop till churches are forced to preform gay marriage.

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Southaven, MS, USA

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Really?

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Tucker, GA 30084, USA

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I'm pretty sure they just want equal rights. They'd like the same rights and privileges afforded to heterosexual couples. What's the dilemma with that?

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Tucker, GA 30084, USA

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Freedom of religion simple. Dont need church for marriage

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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And Freedom of religion is our right. So until Churches are the only place to get married there isnt a argument for churches have to perform weddings

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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thinker, what I think you're saying is; you're ok with gay marriage as long as churches are not forced to perform such marriages?

UndrWater @ over 1 year ago

Valley Village, Los Angeles, CA

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Freedom from religion is one of my favorite rights. I would hate to lose it because dumb fúckholes try to hijack secular institutions by stomping their feet and screaming persecution.

Paul outta Hemet @ over 1 year ago

Gardnerville, NV 89410, USA

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Yes if you want to marry a goat,same sex,A carrot cake so be it. But dont go beating down church doors to perform the marriage.

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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The problem with everyone being on the same page eventually what you support or feel is right will come under fire. Unless you want a dictator demanding what is wrong or right. we all have to accept each other one way or another. Because the

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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Hilarious. I know you think you are insulting me with that goat bullshít. But all you do is tip your hand and show how you don't view marriage as a partnership between equals.

Paul outta Hemet @ over 1 year ago

Reno, NV, USA

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Alternative is North Korea,Russia,ect.... Regardless of your stance in order to have a true free country you have to deal with Racist,bigots,idiots,hatred,ect... and accept it a price to pay living in a free country.

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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Only someone with a warped domination fantasy will think marriage between a human and an animal is comparable to one between two consenting humans. Keep it up, dumb fúckhole. I enjoy laughing at you.

Paul outta Hemet @ over 1 year ago

Reno, NV, USA

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i believe in free speech and in free speech someones feelings will get hurt. Just like someone is harsh about my belief in the Spaghetti monster in the sky. Its their free speech allowing them to say that.

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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Hey stupid show where i compared that.....Waiting...Yea thought so nice try moron....I said i dont care...Big difference in i view both as the same and i dont care.Your anger and childish attempts to twist words discredits you.Nice try tho...

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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Point is you want freedom for only your point of view. Never last because soon youll be under attack idiot.. History has proven that.. True freedom is accepting its ok to be a big boy and get offended. But you want to cry im offended.

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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Like you think your tuff attacking my religion. in a lot of countries youd be killed for that. I like our freedom to do so. But your so Flooded with ignorance you cant see the shifting in The P.C world. You are a true example of idiocracy

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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Nice try, dumb fúckhole. You don't get the tell me what I think re: freedom. I'm not part of your domination fantasy cult. I'm am actual free thinker.

Paul outta Hemet @ over 1 year ago

Reno, NV, USA

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And to date, the only people who play the animal marriage card are the dumb fúckholes who reject marriage as a partnership between equals. They are the ones who speak of marriage as something thrust upon a passive participant, consent being optional.

Paul outta Hemet @ over 1 year ago

Reno, NV, USA

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And these dumb fúckholes can only expect the rest of the world to accept their comparison of marriage between adults to marriage between species as valid if they believe the rest of the world also views marriage through their...

Paul outta Hemet @ over 1 year ago

Reno, NV, USA

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...weird domination fantasy cult prism.

Paul outta Hemet @ over 1 year ago

Reno, NV, USA

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Because you choose a side your a free thinker? no your a idiot who only wants freedom for your views and beliefs. Go live in another country moron.

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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Prove there isnt a God and you can call it what you want. You choose not to believe like i choose to believe. But because you choose to not believe doesnt make you crap.But a simpleton that thinks hes above others..... Only thing you have is anger

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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Curse words and idiocracy

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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thinker, you can choose to ignore the bitterness, but I sense it's getting under your skin.

UndrWater @ over 1 year ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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"Prove there isn't a God" -Free Thinker never go full retard

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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@ Free Thinker - Prove there isn't a Loch Ness Monster. go ahead...prove it

Racer X @ over 1 year ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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No its entertainment for me cant get under my skin. Your the one throwing a hissy fit. You Believe in Macro-Evolution so Using your beliefs Lock ness and Bigfoot would be down your alley

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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I cant prove to be nor can you disprove its both belief. Accept and move on, your getting yourself upset about something thatll never change or go away. Learn to live with life will be easier on you. Its disbelievers like you that have so much hate

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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and anger. Yet you accuse religions to be the aggressor. i find that hilarious

Free Thinker Loves Jesus @ over 1 year ago

Olive Branch, MS, USA

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are there no mirrors in your home?

UndrWater @ over 1 year ago

Southwood, Torrance, CA

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Dumb fúckhole - That was a pretty strawman you built. And you destroyed it with ease. But you haven't touched me or anything I have said. You're (used improperly for mockery) simple mindedness can't do so. As proof of that, I present banana cat.

Paul outta Hemet @ over 1 year ago

Gardnerville, NV 89410, USA

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Such anger! GRRR!

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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PLC, I hear yoga can help with that. :-)

UndrWater @ over 1 year ago

South Redondo, Redondo Beach, CA

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Do they do yoga in Nevada? (it appears not)

Taco Bowl @ over 1 year ago

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I totally misread your anger post as mocking the dumb fúckhole. I guess were instead shoving your head up its @ss in solidarity.

Paul outta Hemet @ over 1 year ago

Gardnerville, NV 89410, USA

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As for your curiosity, they do have yoga here. Although I suspect guns are more popular as a means to release anger and frustration here. Nevada loves its guns.

Paul outta Hemet @ over 1 year ago

Gardnerville, NV 89410, USA

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Yoga pants are dangerous

Tjaden Froyda @ over 1 year ago

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