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Are cops in danger...or are they more of a danger themselves?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/10/02/once-again-police-work-is-not-getting-more-dangerous/

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Athens, GA, USA

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http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-top-10-dangerous-jobs-country-tanks/

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Athens, GA, USA

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http://www.cato.org/raidmap

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Athens, GA, USA

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Why do cops release the number of cops killed on the job...but refuse to release figures detailing the number of people killed BY cops?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Athens, GA, USA

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Why do cops resent being video recorder while performing their public duties?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Athens, GA, USA

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Perhaps it's because cameras can hold police accountable for their behavior? http://www.newsweek.com/amidst-debate-study-finds-body-cameras-decrease-polices-use-force-295315

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Athens, GA, USA

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counter questions for debate. . Do you believe that the majority of cops are bad? deceitful? anti citizen? bigoted/prejudiced/racist? .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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no. follow up question: How many bad cops should we tolerate? What's an acceptable number of dirty cops?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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do we have stats saying "the majority" of cop's are anti body camera? . after all dash cameras seem to favor cops more than citizens. . I suspect we see the bad cop videos much more than the good cop by a large percentage. .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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point is I believe that the majority of cops are good, but we've decided (based on video & innuendo) to lump them together as the majority are bad. . I just can't see that yet. .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Also note that the majority of the recent high profile accusations have ended up with the officers being exonerated by the grand juries, justice department, etc. . but some have been charged also, rightfully so, it appears .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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How many bad cops should we tolerate? What's an acceptable number of dirty cops?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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absolutely none how many bad citizens (and illegals) should we tolerate? .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Why more may not be held accountable: http://abc7chicago.com/news/ex-ipra-investigator-says-he-was-fired-for-finding-cops-not-justified-in-shootings/867430/

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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@H2O - bad citizens? define bad.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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As a police officer, their responsibility is to enforce the law. As such, it's completely unacceptable that they would blatantly break the law.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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Especially in cases where they use their position of authority to intimidate and abuse the people they're supposed to protect.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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The recent militarization of our police force seems to have correlated with a change in the culture of many police departments.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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Abuse of power occurs far too frequently, and is far too readily dismissed by the commanders.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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bad citizens = "dirty citizens"

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Lee Hill, VA, USA

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Regarding police not wanting cameras: Several police unions are protesting their use. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article1981217.html

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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If, by bad citizens, you're referring to citizens engaged in illegal behavior, the answer is none. Laws should be enforced. Citizens caught breaking the law should be held accountable.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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...so should the cops. If anything, the police should be held to a higher than the average citizen. But, I'd settle for holding them equally accountable.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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Police are held accountable. Just as much, if not more than the average citizen.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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When the Police are found to be wrong, they're dealt with. It happens. The issue is in the definition of wrong doing. Ignorance is the problem here, not an unwillingness to deal with bad cops.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Correct. They're dealt with. (See my link about what happened in Chicago when that exact thing happened)

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Davis: here's some unjustified shootings CPD: they were justified. Change them or you're fired Davis: no CPD: see ya later I wonder how often that happens elsewhere...

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Then you get idiots who pull their guns on citizens to intimidate them into compliance (show some respect, in PLC parlance) like the recent video out of Cali... That ain't helping perception much

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/08/07/cop-confrontation-goes-viral-pulls-gun-orig.cnn

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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The exception usually isn't the rule.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Is it the exception?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Good video. Did the officer break a law? A rule?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Because if that's the case, there sure are a LOT of exceptions cropping up now that video is becoming more prevalent.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Is it not the exception? Show me otherwise.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Take the number of videos you've seen and compare it to the number of police encounters over that time. Exception.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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aren't body cameras better for everyone involved? i mean don't police officers write reports for most incidents anyway? in the course of an investigation by police against a criminal couldn't things be picked up by the cameras that could.be very

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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valuable. what are the negatives? I really don't see any. best for all involved.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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You think it was appropriate for the officer to draw his weapon in that situation? That pretty much sums up why you're a joke.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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racer, several unions? you're own example, listed only one. it even gave the primary reason why, "introduced in the middle of contract negotiations". give me a break, everything hits the table, when you're talking cutting pay & benefits. .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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DP, has the right end result. PLC, has the correct ratio. Racer has a definition I tend to agree with, militarization of police (taking federal subsidies for hiring vets), with minimal law enforcement training. Piss poor pay, piss poor cops. .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Skål if you have a ratio of illegal/bad cop encounters that is much different than plc's, fed agencies, police, ,,, please provide. . you are currently just trying to hype a problem over it's actual fact. .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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quit trying out For the dorian Johnson of VM. .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Is it really necessary to smash an elderly woman’s face into the ground, so you can “make it home to your wife and kids”? Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-top-10-dangerous-jobs-country-tanks/#sSZ41ftpVefFOA3g.99

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Middleburg Heights, OH, USA

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When did “protecting and serving” become “making it home to my family even if it means killing an innocent child?” Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-top-10-dangerous-jobs-country-tanks/#DWMZPdUmUYXFHdEk.99

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Middleburg Heights, OH, USA

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1) PLC didn't give a ratio 2) what's the true numerator? Are these videos all there are, or are we just scratching the surface? 3) what ratio is acceptable? 4) who?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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its all just a PR war, everytime cops kill a black kid they show video of a cop singing miley cyrus.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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a lot has changed on vm, racer is questioning police, pink watches the view, i heard h20 is looking at pictures of trannies now.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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I heard you're posting pictures of your mistress & I can confirm it. to your wife if you wish. .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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please, everyone who has ears knows i like fat girls. now finding fat trannies is like finding gay midget porn, c'mon those guys are 5' tops.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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hell its hard finding fat asians.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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"the internet has everything." my ass

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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i also think retard porn may be illegal.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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you've been busy searching for some wild shįt. . stay away from kiddies, the feds may deport you. .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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im actually working on a body of work for nomination for the nobel prize in economic sciences based on my principle work relating to the economics of fat girls ####ing blacks and hispanics.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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im currently working on a roadblock right now with the equation, i cant get the numbers quite right. when you account for my being partially hispanic myself this really mucks up the numbers with test cases.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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take this, my first serious girlfriend i met when i was 17 right we broke up when i was about 22 or 23, now im 33, almost 34 and the probability that she hasnt ####ed a black guy since then has to work out to 0.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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like not statistical 0 (or something like .00005%), but actual 0.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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a lot of this involves quantum mechanics and string theory it also relies a lot on the law of diminishing standards, and other economic factors like financial status (i.e. the obama principle)

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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but lets not kid ourselves here, if i could get a mistress, she would look a lot shabbier than sarina valentina.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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after all blacks and hispanics have a lot of tension and a lot of economists think its because of competition for the few number of low skill, low wage jobs. i think they are wrong and my work will support this.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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see, blacks and hispanics compete for the same fat white girls.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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thats not to say there arent a lot of them, holy #### there are a lot, but its like oil, its going to run out eventually and people are going to kill each other till its gone.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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Nobody is competing for your wife. You're safe.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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you misread the comment, it wasn't the first time, it wont be the last.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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Skal proves my point about the ignorance that's out there. You should be the poster boy for ignorance.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I asked you a simple question. Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. Your response just proved that. Keep looking for that win idiot. I may give you one day. To see if it'll shut you up.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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you are right, you actually look like you made the wrong comment because you weren't actually paying attention. wasn't the first time, wont be the last.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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Mr Arroyo, I didn't misread anything. I just wanted to tell you you are safe. Nobody wants that crap. Except you, of course. Citizenship ain't easy to get. We understand. Sort of.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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How exactly did pointing out that you're a joke for being OK with a LEO pulling a gun on a citizen legally filming the officer to get them to comply with orders prove me to be ignorant?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Maybe you need some reading comprehension. Answer the question. And when you can't, respond with an insult. Further proving your ignorance. Don't feel bad. You ain't alone.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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ok, so you said whatever you wanted to say without caring about the context of the conversation prior to your arrival. don't worry, It wasn't the first time, it wont be the last.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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I did. #2 up above. We don't know the numerator. You need that to calculate a ratio. Don't lecture me on reading comprehension before trying it out yourself.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I'll ask your Dumbass again. What law did he break?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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[jeapordy music]

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Oh, the ignorance!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Zero. But apparently he's on administrative leave. What did the citizen do that warranted drawing his gun? Or is that SOP on everyone nowadays?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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So he didn't break any law. Or any rule or regulation that we know of. But you say he war wrong. Based on what? What does the SOP say about drawing his weapon? What does it say about a persons hands?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'm sure you know all of this. You come off like you know what you're talking about. Please share some of that hard earned ignorance with us oh wise one.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Your pathetic desire to try to catch me in sone misstep has you making yourself look dumber and dumber by the post. Give it up. Have a conversation. Admit that you have no ####ing clue. You'll feel better.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Stick to phlebotomy. Stay away from law.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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everything is against the law

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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and plc you are an idiot, catching you being an idiot isnt hard, its pretty much a common thing, you are pretty much the only guy who thinks iraq was a good idea. you are literally the only one on that hill.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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you think banning 10 round magazines and long guns is a common sense practical restriction even though these things arent even being used in a majority of gun crime.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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Oh, Joshua! Your butt hurt runs way too deep. Get counseling.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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you think that the death penalty is too final, and people in the justice system make mistakes, so we should turn prisons into torture facilities so "people dont want to return."

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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you are almost 50 years old and you troll people here half your age with acronyms that betray you to be a 14 year old girl mentally, with the intellectual capabilities to match.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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But you think everything is against the law! WTF! You ain't in Mexico anymore. Welcome to America. We have laws.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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this isnt up for debate, this train left the station, the science is settled on this.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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But here you are trolling. How sad. I've owned you time and time again so this is the best you can do? Get better. Don't get mad.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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you will never lose the debate in your own head on police authority because you believe a police officers life is more valuable than that of a potential criminal. you know innocent people die, but you dont care for them.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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because you believe if there is more accountability, more thought in policing, that more police will die.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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Yes. It's settled. Your way of thinking is the only way. Another nobody. A punk who's accomplished nothing in his life has settled it. LMAO! You can't even get a normal chick. But you're the authority. On everything.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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well tough ####ing ####, it was never supposed to be an easy job, and people like you, with police #### in your mouth all day long make it one.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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see, right now, thats called trolling, you are not thinking about your responses, the debate does not matter, what matters is that you think through force of will you can fog the issue with worthless posts.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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Sooooooo, is there a point here? Are you mad that your ####ed up thinking gets no traction? The cops you hate are still free. ####ing their hot wives. While you're stuck with a god damned monster. I can see why you mad

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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you think your favorite color is an opinion, thats called a preference, who the #### still has favorite colors? people that say omg and lol.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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I've made my points. You came on here with the sole intent of attacking me. Not any of my points. You're trolling and complaining about trolling all at the same time. It doesn't work that way.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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and if someone asks you why your favorite color is red you should have the ####ing balls to say, "well because my father used to #### me with a red strap-on."

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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see, now that is real trolling, ####got.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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You can keep michael browns dead Dick in your mouth a the #### you want. You're into black man looking bitches anyway.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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why are you so mad though?

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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I'm surprised you bring up fathers considering your "situation". A stripper mom and an uncle who's the best you can do as a dad. And the worst part is that what I'm saying is 100 % TRUE!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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LMAO!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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On VM as in real life. You lose every. Single. Day. Look at your family. Nuff said.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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no seriously, this was a debate on your positions and you just exploded, calm down, were talking here.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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OMG. LOL. Mr Joshua Arroyo has determined that favorite colors are no longer allowed. Can you believe that? The mother####er that's married to a ####ing Hippo dictates cool. Bitch please.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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if you are just going to be immature like this i dont even think i want to talk to you anymore. let me know when you have calmed down a bit.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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Have a good day.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Go comb her back.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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oh wow, you are furious! i dont even think inex went this far off the reservation.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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I'll wait for the orderly from Minnesota to respond to our somewhat more real conversation. Although he's just as ignorant as the zoo keeper from WV.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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holy ####, dudes still screaming!

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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But don't ever think you have the capability of getting me mad. I laugh at your ass. And what you wake up to. Whenever I see you post.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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last word

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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Her back. Go comb it.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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no u

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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Phlebotomist, nurse, orderly... R those supposed to be insults? Weak.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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2 of the three are used to dealing with pieces of #### like you every day, so I guess that's kinda fitting.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Joshua, #### you very much. Just the thought of touching her back made me throw up in my mouth a little.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Skal, only if you consider them insults. I don't know what you do. Just what you are. Ignorant. Not an insult. A fact.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Most medical professionals I know are hooked on some substance. But I do t hold it against them. Ignorance is something different. Especially when presented with better info. But it's gotten personal with you. sad.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Don't all three deal with pieces of sh!ts like you every day?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What better info have you presented?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Original.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Are you paying attention? Holy ####! I can put it in front of you but I can't make you read. Please dude. You have to fight the ingrained ignorance. It will only make you better.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I can't think of a single piece of better info you've presented. You've beaten your chest about being from NY and it's not possible for people from GA or MN to have a clue, but that's not better info by any measure

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Convincing arguments in your head don't count.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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That's why you are doomed to remain ignorant. It just sucks that idiots like you vote. Ugh!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'm doomed to remain ignorant because you haven't actually presented better info? Got it.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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You're doomed to remain ignorant because you refuse to even acknowledge a different view. Or any possibility that you're not completely informed on realities you're unfamiliar with.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You have convinced yourself that you can make a complete determination based on a 9 second video of a situation you have to formal or informal teachings of.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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no u

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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You are ignorant by choice. And that, makes you a bigger #### than you can imagine.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You're simply wrong on both. You make too many assumptions about the limits of our understanding.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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But I'm not. Your posts prove me right. Keep looking for that win. It's clouded your judgement. And made you look like a complete idiot. Almost as bad as Joshua.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You fail to acknowledge any limits on your understanding but place unreasonable limits on anyone whose beliefs don't line up with yours. That makes you ignorant. And a dick. And an ####. And an idiot. And pathetic.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Not insults. Truth.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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no u

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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That's as deep as you get arroyo.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Your posts prove me right", says the person sticking up for an officer pulling a gun on a citizen who was recording the officer. Hiding behind the fact that the unnecessary escalation wasn't against the law.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I'm sure that savage needed to be taught some respect.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Which I asked follow up questions on and you once again brushed them off because you don't know what the #### you're talking about. Ignorance.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Didn't brush them off. I answered... U just didn't like the answer

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Did you? Really? Really answer them or not answer them then claim you did like with the legality question?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Should I re-ask these too?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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He's on administrative leave for breaking zero laws. His city cancelled community outreach events so they didn't have to deal with the community outrage.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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What is standard procedure on a cop pulling his gun? What are LEOs taught about hands when dealing with someone?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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FYI, you never answered them. Yet again claiming you did when you didn't. Pathetic.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Maybe it's just my ignorance, but losing community support and trust is kinda a big deal.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Losing his life is a bigger deal.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'll await the answers you claimed to have provided but never did.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I didn't answer that one. You didn't answer what the citizen did that warranted drawing his gun to begin with. You asked several Q's btw. Be specific, I can't read your mind re which one you are talking about.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I'm not aware that someone hitching a boat in their own yard or recording a LEO in a public place warrants pulling a weapon on them. Please, enlighten me.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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The citizen having his hand in his pocket would be a problem if he was suspected of doing something...but he wasn't. Surely you can't mean that LEO's have the right to pull their gun on any citizen with hands in pockets.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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So you're not going to answer or acknowledge the fact that you have no ####ing clue what you're talking about. Just keep acting like you know. Cool.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Thus, ignorance.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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No, I'm asking you to help me out. When is it acceptable for an officer to pull his gun on someone standing in their front yard filming them on their cell phone with a hand in their pocket?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Forget it. It doesn't really matter if you get it. These people do: http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-police-training-philosophy-gets-mixed-reception-1438939800

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Skål, I'll give a real generous benefit of doubt for the numerator. .. let's use "1900" police to citizen per state daily. (know real low in all probability). . so how many bad cop videos show up "daily"

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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1900 should be 1000,,, chunky finger .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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1000/state seems like an extreme overestimate. How many are acceptable, though?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Better question: whatever the numerator is, how many of those are internally investigated and no wrongdoing found... Or the investigator fired for not finding them justified as in Chicago?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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1 that we know of.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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and that 1 isnt settled.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'd actually question the Chicago's investigator's reasoning. . Not saying he's wrong, but he's out there by himself, and released. . Try 500 for your number then. . it really doesn't work to the positive side for you to be a close ratio. .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Fort Belvoir, VA, USA

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the number of acceptable cases of police brutality, abuse of power or any other police misconduct should be zero. The same as the number of acceptable cases of rape, fraud, murder and medical malpractice.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Unless of clurse, you wish to believe the majority of encounters are really the officer causing the reason & escalating the cause. .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Fort Belvoir, VA, USA

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i dont know one person who thinks police misconduct is acceptable.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Would it be safe to say that there are millions of police encounters every year in the United states?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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@PLC - do you know anyone who believes that a code a silence exists? Yes, there are millions of police encounters

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I'm sure you're familiar with the Mollen commission, correct?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Because that report made it seem like there were a lot of people you may have known who were complacent with police misconduct. But what do I know, I'm not from NYC

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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A code of silence among Doctors? Military? Politicians? Fast food workers? Yes, I know people who believe they exist. Why?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Nice deflection. You know exactly which code of silence I'm referring to. Again, the Mollen commission report seems to say that many in NYC were complacent with misconduct. Not anyone you knew personally, of course

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Just lots of others

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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No deflection. Youre obviously still too ignorant to understand.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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That damned Mollen commision. From over 20 years ago! Great ####ing source. Only when youre desperate. LMAO!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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There are codes of silence in just about every profession. But since you have a hard on for cops, you will only acknowledge one. Bitch move. Im not surprised.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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and where in the Mollen commission report does it say that "many in NYC were complacent with misconduct"?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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He's right! There's a whole secret menu at McDonalds and other fast food places. Can you imagine the damage it would do if the workers spoke out?

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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Maybe we have a different definition of "many"

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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and "lots"

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Could be

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Smoke, you, of all people should know that I'm always right. No need to be surprised.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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http://www.wbaltv.com/news/checkers-employee-caught-on-video-throwing-bun-on-floor/34594022

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Heres your secret menu. http://secretmenus.com/mcdonalds/secret-menu/

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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plc what you seem to be so eager to leave completely out of this conversation is the police have a job that can take people lives and freedom. there is no "acceptable " amount of misconduct and/or lawlessness

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Now Smoke, are you going to join the conversation or do your usual cheap shot from the sideline routine?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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We're taking about cops. Not those other ones. That's absolutely a deflection. Stay on topic.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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DP, I sure do wish you could read!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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you want to argue the semantics of things like "what is lots? what is many?"

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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No deflection. Just dont expect anything from anyone you dont expect from everyone.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Codes of silence exist everywhere. What is your point?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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God Bless You PLC

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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that is not the issue at all. the issue is there has to be accountability from our police departments.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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While youre busy trying to figure that out, let's figure out if the cases of police misconduct are exception or the rule. What % of instances would classify it as a rule? 10%? 20%? 50%? 51%?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Out of the approximate 30 million + police encounters, how many are cases of police misconduct? Understanding that zero is the target. But reality doesnt always match the desired outcome.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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His point is that people in other professions don't murder people and conspire to cover it up. We are contrasting trade secrets and codes of silence among police and the military.

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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Thank you Smoke. You as well.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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DP, There IS accountability.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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thank god for the number of cameras we have these days because it is exposing things that before would simply be chalked up to "who you gonna believe, the criminal? "

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Smoke, military personnel wouldnt be in a position to kill people and cover it up? Nor would medical personnel? Really?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'm saying they would be and do exactly that

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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You seem to justify the police doing it because others are also doing it

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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What you consider lots and what I consider lots is absolutely important to this conversation. Stop being ignorant to the facts that contradict your positions.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Smoke, do yourself a favor and STFU! You keep making yourself look like a complete idiot.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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i can't read. skal is ignorant. smoke is an idiot....all these deficiencies in everyone else you see. yet, i don't believe one person here doesn't think your a chicken####er who doesn't actually ever say anything. answer any questions, or conversate

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Im saying this code of silence isnt unique to the police. Its present everywhere. If you have a problem with one, shouldnt you have a problem with all?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Correction, You cant read or write.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Well lets try this ####. Read before you type.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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in good faith. you purposely misrepresent what people say to start a back and forth about the least important thing in any argument. then when someone actually makes a point instead of adressing that point you lean on how ignorant everyone else is

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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This is what I wrote

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"the number of acceptable cases of police brutality, abuse of power or any other police misconduct should be zero."

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Then your dumb ass writes this

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"plc what you seem to be so eager to leave completely out of this conversation is the police have a job that can take people lives and freedom. there is no "acceptable " amount of misconduct and/or lawlessness"

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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only you can see how things really are. you can minimalize. this issue all you want but it is an issue. It's no longer just the thug black people calling out the police either. everyone is getting hip to what is going on.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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But I purposely misrepresent? ####ing awesome!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You truly are the dumbest poster on this app.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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if you think cops who pull guns on people for no reason don't need to be trained better, or that the level of force they use shouldn't be questioned then you sit by and continue to watch things get worse. most people understand a change is needed.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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So are you stupid enough to believe that the cases of police misconduct are the rule as opposed to the exception as skal does?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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yup. I'm dumb. everyone is an idiot. you are the common denominator in all these conversations. but I'm the dumbest post here. hahahhahaha..

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Just keep ignoring my calling your illiterate ass out. Act like it never happened. Please continue to act like Im the one misrepresenting the stupid illiterate #### you say. Nothing to see here folks.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Don't be mad at me for being on ####ing point. Don't hate. Pick up a book. Learn a little. Then learn how to express it in writing. Then come back.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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skal did not say they were the rule. that would mean more that 50% of interactions would end badly. he said no such thing. but you continue to go at this like he did. misrepresentation

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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But yes, you are dumb. Not everyone is an idiot though. Too many, but not everyone. You are just the average American voter. Ignorant as hell. Dont be mad. You're one of many.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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a wife beater only beats his wife 3 times a year. all the other days he's great to her. the beatings are the exception, not the rule. now, do you see how what the exception or rule criteria does not fit in certain conversations

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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you are taking the conversation to a place that doesn't fit what the issue is.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Me: "The exception usually isn't the rule." Skal: "Is it the exception?" "Because if that's the case, there sure are a LOT of exceptions cropping up now that video is becoming more prevalent."

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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DP, just ignore this as well. I will only end up bad for you. Get back to flipping burgers.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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want another. man married 20 years. has only cheated on his wife 10 times. once every 2 years..the cheating is the exception not the rule....go kick rocks with this stupid idea that as long as its not the rule, whats the problem bs.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Your comparison just proves further how ####ing stupid you are. Thanks for proving my point.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Let me teach you a little bit. Your first example. Lets say the guy is a cook. He beats his wife 3 times a year. Are all cooks wife beaters? Should all cooks be investigated for spouse abuse?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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i would maybe take that more to heart if you weren't an obvious chicken####er who has this same issue with every single poster. everyone is dumb, ignorant, illiterate, and broke but you...yet you are on an app. 24/7.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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The married guy is an orderly. Should all orderlies be suspected of cheating on their wives? Should there be a special commission of fidelity in all hospitals to address the situation?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You truly are stupid. Deep down, from way back in your upbringing stupid. You should slap your parents for doing you wrong. Now get your dumb ass to the library. Read a book bitch!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Im actually rarely on this app. But I know youre too stupid to figure that out. Not only are you stupid but youre dishonest.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And what the #### is a chicken####er? What self respecting black man says chicken####er? Pathetic.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Anyway, back to the topic. Can we agree that these cases are the exceptions and not the rule?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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There are bad cops. There are cases of police misconduct. These cases should be dealt with. And they are. Just as frequently if not more than civilian criminals.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Should all departments strive for perfection? Hell yes! Every organization in the world should strive for perfection.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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But are perfect results a reasonable expectation?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The issue, once again, lies in the ignorance of Americans. As is displayed on this thread. What you think is bad is not necessarily bad. Maybe you should educate yourself. Judge based on knowledge and not gut.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Are you or have you ever been a cop?

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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does it matter?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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A little. If you have first hand experience it would make you more credible.

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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bull####.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'm a counselor.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Recruiter?

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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"I'm a counselor" somehow meant recruiter to you? WTF!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fopvzf77b8

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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WTF? Like I said, no self respecting black man would utter the words chicken ####er. Especially in Iowa. But then again, no self respecting black man would live in Iowa.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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So you're saying you know as much about being a "self-respecting" black man as you do about being a cop

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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What's wrong with Iowa?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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nothing.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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keep hunting guys. You might get me one day. Might.

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Then why wouldn't a self-respecting black man live there?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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you wouldnt understand.

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enlighten me.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Where would a self-respecting black man live, then?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Not possible.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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It's a minority thing. You would never get it.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Yet another unsubstantiated statement by PLC, then? OK

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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You don't get the plain info I place in front of you. How could you possible understand something like this?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Are you still trying to figure out the whole rule V exception thing?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'm sure it's tougher to understand that quantum mechanics.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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*than

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Yes, another unsubstantiated statement! WOOHOO! You are truly pathetic. Would you consider that the win you've long sought? A comment to someone else about a topic you have no idea about?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Congrats dick! Pat yourself on the back.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I have little to add to what Don already said above.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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You usually have little to add. Why would this be any different?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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oh snap.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I blame it on your ignorance coupled with your insecure personality. You need wins on anonymous internet chats. Instead of just having a conversation.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The claim in Chicago is the rule?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Is that how most departments operate? Please discuss.

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We simply don't know. NYC has it's history of corruption. So does LA. This would indicate that maybe Chicago does as well. Anyone who has lived in rural towns can tell you about the "good ol boy" system.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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*Perhaps* there isn't a rule, per se...

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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By *this*, I mean the story re Davis's firing.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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If you look back at the Charleston shooting, the officer filed a false report. Other coverups in Bainbridge, GA, Tulsa recently...and these are just the ones that hit mainstream.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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One way to look at it is that these are all isolated incidents with a few bad apples. And they are. But another way to look at it is that there may be something wrong with the system that empowers these bad apples

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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into thinking they may get away with it.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Systems that give those officers cover under a code of silence, thin blue line, or whatever you want to call it. Things are getting caught on video now that simply weren't before. Tip of the iceberg or all there is?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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But I guess we're all stupid/ignorant for thinking that this may just be the tip of the iceberg. Nothing to see here, move along...

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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An example of such a system: https://web.archive.org/web/20140417222818/http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Why-cops-lie-2388737.php

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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If all of these videos that youve seen have merit, you might have a point. But you rarely have a point. You put way too much weight on allegations (IMO) and not enough on hard facts. Typical with idiots.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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But Keane is just a former SF police commissioner. No reason to believe him. I'm sure you know better.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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There are dirty cops. Always have been and IMO, always will be. Unfortunately. I dont see think its because they feel safe. I think its because there are bad people in the world. Some become cops. Others Doctors.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Over 35,000,000 police encounters a year and how many verified cases of police misconduct do we have? Less that 1%? And thats what you call the rule?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I disagree.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Did I call it a rule?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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1 possibly disgruntled ex employee making an unsubstantiated (so far) claim of corruption would not cause me to cast doubt on the thousands of departments in the country. But thats just me. I have no agenda. Like you.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Reading comprehension.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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You are implying its the rule. By doubting that its the exception. Skal "Is it the exception?"

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Because if that's the case, there sure are a LOT of exceptions cropping up now that video is becoming more prevalent."

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"1 possibly disgruntled ex employee making an unsubstantiated (so far) claim of corruption[...] the thousands of departments in the country." I think that's called missing the forest for trees.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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look above. *Perhaps* there is no rule.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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You are familiar with "missing the forest for the trees", right?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Because that's exactly what's happening here.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Keane is a career defense attorney. But he too, is entitled to his opinion. Just like the rest of us. Funny how you weigh his opinion based on his experience but discount other experienced opinions. Based on your opinion

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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how convenient

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Little trees popping up everywhere. Some bigger than others. We can argue about the size of the tree, etc... But when you take a step back, damn are there starting to be a lot of trees.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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The one missing the forest for the trees here is you. You want so bad for all cops to be bad that youre willing to disregards anything that would indicate otherwise.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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That is the definition of ignorance.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I know, it's funny how he gave evidence to back up his opinion. it's almost like the evidence makes it more believable.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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look up the word allegation. Then come up with all the wrong doings by police officers this past year. Every instance of substantiated wrong doing. Then compare that to the number of encounters.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Lets see how prevalent the problem is.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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When did I ever say I wanted cops to be bad? Never. Perhaps most people just want accountability. And maybe a little bit less of the warrior mentality.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Under no circumstances am I now, or have ever said, that there is no police misconduct or that there is an acceptable amount of police misconduct What I've always said is that there are systems in place to deal with them

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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As long as we employ humans as police officers we'll have to deal with imperfection of the human. No one organization is perfect. No one human is perfect (although I do come close)

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Police misconduct is now the exception. I dont believe thats always been the case. But today, 2015, police misconduct is a tiny occurrence that should and is dealt with when identified.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Even so, Im sure there are cases where bad cops are protected. These instances are rare and should not, under any circumstances, be tolerated.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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But I will not put the vast majority of police officers who do their jobs with honor and integrity every single day in the same category as the tiny % who are bad.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You think every cop is bad. Just like your idiot friends here on VM. And you couldnt be more wrong.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You want accountability but THERE IS accountability. Closing your eyes real tight and screamimg nananana! doesnt make that accountability disappear.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I don't think any one of us has ever said that every cop is bad. You're making sh!t up in your head again.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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What you want is blood. You want cops to pay even if its proven that theyve done no wrong.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You need to learn what "right" and "wrong" is according to the law.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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If you took any time to learn, you would realize that a PO has the right to pull his weapon whenever he feels threatened. Because his life matters more that the person he's interacting with.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Because his life matters more that the person he's interacting with." And there's the problem. Isn't the motto "protect and *serve*"

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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You would know that police officers are taught to be cautious of hands. Hands are what will hurt you. The first thing you want to see is hands.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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or is it now "control and dominate"?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Hands in a pocket may hold a knife. A gun. Anything. Should they wait until theyre shot to know? Hell No! Just take your ####ing hands out of your pockets and make the officer feel safer. Itll go a long way.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Protect and serve does not mean die so the savage can be comfortable

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Control, yes. The PO should control every encounter. Every time.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Finally, getting back to the Rohnert park incident.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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That you would think otherwise just further shows your total ignorance.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The POs job isnt to die before offending the person. Nor should it ever be. The PO is a human. A human life. Who risks his life. His life should be his first priority. How you can think otherwise is hilarious.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I understand that hands can carry weapons. And that those weapons could cause harm to an officer. Is it standard to pull a gun on anyone with a hand in their pocket?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Particularly when they are standing on their lawn and not suspected of committing any crime?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Its standard that its up to the individual officer. As it should be.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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People can kill cops from their own lawn. It's possible.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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In other words, if I am standing on my lawn this afternoon with a hand in my pocket and a cop drives by, would he be justified in getting out of his cruiser and drawing his gun on me?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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People not suspected of committing a crime can also kill cops.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Is that what happened?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You've seen the video.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Amendment to the above: I grab my cell phone and start recording him as he drives by. Hand in pocket. Just like in the video.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I have. He approached the Police vehicle.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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He approaches the vehicle with a hand in his pocket and refuses to take his hands out, hell yes he has the right to draw.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Is that what happened?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Maybe you should watch the video BEFORE you post it and comment.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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It'll make all of our lives easier.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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He's near the left hood of his truck the entire time at the start of the encounter.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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OMG

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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He does move forward to get a good look at the license plate. So threatening.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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We've all seen how people look when there's trying to get a picture on their phone into focus. Hand extended, tilting the phone until it catches focus. I'm sure he looked real aggressive doing so.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Watch the video idiot.

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*there's=they're You're right, that totally makes it justified.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I have. It's on the citizen's Facebook page in full.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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So why would you be confused about what happened?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Happens right around the 2:00 mark

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Your confusion happens at the 2:00 mark?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Just the threatening recording of the license plate.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Ok.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I don't think he pulled his gun because of the hand holding the camera. It was the hand in his pocket. Keep up.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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But I'm glad you see that he was not wrong in his actions. God Bless America!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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That's still under dispute, i.e. the administrative leave.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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No criminal investigation? I wonder why.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Have you even watched the video yet?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The PAID adnistrative leave is only to make idiots like you feel better. Nothing will come out of it. Trust me.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Who said anything about a criminal investigation (besides you)?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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You protest too much when you bitch about people calling you names. Gotta play victim, i guess.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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What? Yes, I said no criminal charges. I never said you did. WTF are you talking about? ####ing idiot!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'm done trying to get you ####s to talk respectfully. I'll treat you the way you treat me. So #### you very much. Idiot.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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So you're asking yourself questions. Get help soon.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Ahhh, I see. You're the real victim here.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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OMG you really are stupid. Do I have to explain rhetorical questions to you? Your ignorance is amazing.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'm no victim. Just a dude in NY with an opinion.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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It's probably best for you to continue this side conversation. I got tired of smacking you around on the topic anyhow.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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its nice that plc has filled inex's role here.

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I never realized inex was the sensible one here but, ok.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Yet another tree: http://m.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Woman-claims-constitutional-violation-in-vaginal-6431919.php

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Here's another idiot who doesn't contribute to the conversation. Just weak sideline cheap shots. How ####ing intellectual.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Skal, just for you. http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/allegation

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You're welcome.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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U mad brah?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Not at all. Should I be?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'm actually glad I was able to reach your dumbass a few things today. This is getting to be a habit with us.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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*teach

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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TIL: 1) PLC is a victim 2) protect and serve has been replaced by control and dominate 3) the lives of citizens are secondary to the lives of LEOs 4) PLC can't see the forest for the trees

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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5) self respecting black men can't live in Iowa or say chickenfuçker 6) PLC is a victim 7) don't ever have your hands in your pocket in public Productive day

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Is that your usual response when you get spanked? You just can't accept that you're an idiot who doesn't know what the #### he's talking about? Can't accept your ignorance? That's tragic.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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wow...I've missed a lot what with enjoying my actual life (damn bowling with the family and pub crawling with friends)

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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@PLC - did you really expect to use the false analogy logical fallacy and get away with it? Your comparison of the cook (wife beater) and the orderly (infidelity) i some way being analogous to dirty cops is retarded...even for you.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Please explain how the profession of the two people in your hypothetical scenario is at all relevant to their social misbehavior?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Just shooting the breeze.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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How would that in any stretch of the imagination be similar to the fact that some police officers abuse their power or behave inappropriately WHILE IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR PROFESSIONAL DUTY?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

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Do you need a ladder? You seem to be reaching.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

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What? Are you ####ing retarded?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Do yourself a favor and re-read. You're looking like a total ####ing idiot right now. Not that's anything new for you. That seems to be your title. Must be on your birth certificate as a middle name or something.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Please explain how there'd be any correlation to police misconduct with a cook who happens to beat his wife? That's a blatant false analogy.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

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Of course an investigation into atl cooks being wife beaters is ridiculous.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

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Dumbass, go back and read. It's in english. Can you read english? It appears not.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'm getting tired of correcting all of you idiots. Reading comprehension. It goes a long way.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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A more proper analogy would be video evidence of hundreds of Burger King cooks engaged in misconduct (wiping their ass with hamburger buns). Further reports and testimony of other employees confirming the allegations.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

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Great! Yet another #### that is going to ignore whats in front of him and proceed with whatever nonsense he wants to see. Sheesh!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Other employees openly admit that the action not only occurs, but that upper management is aware of the misconduct and condones it. Several employees admit to being fired when reporting the misconduct.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

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That's far more analogous the epidemic of police misconduct.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

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You're welcome.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

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I'll tell you like I told the other idiot skal, These things work so much better if you know what the #### you're talking about.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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But ignore this. Just continue with what you thought was said and totally disregard what was actually said.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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How can anyone have a conversation like this?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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How can I be expected to defend what I didnt say? or what didnt happen?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The idiot from georgia claims I introduced an analogy that I didnt and the idiot from minnesota claims something happened on a video that didnt. And questions when I explained what really happened.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"a wife beater only beats his wife 3 times a year. all the other days he's great to her. the beatings are the exception, not the rule. now, do you see how what the exception or rule criteria does not fit in certain conversations" -Don pappi

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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"Let me teach you a little bit. Your first example. Lets say the guy is a cook. He beats his wife 3 times a year. Are all cooks wife beaters? Should all cooks be investigated for spouse abuse?" -PLC

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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"Please explain how there'd be any correlation to police misconduct with a cook who happens to beat his wife? That's a blatant false analogy." - Racer X

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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"The idiot from georgia claims I introduced an analogy that I didnt" -PLC

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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You're officially retarded.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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You forgot one itty bitty line.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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In between there I posted "Your comparison just proves further how ####ing stupid you are. Thanks for proving my point."

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You must not have seen that. Selective reading perhaps. More likely purposely omitted. Just shows how much a an idiot you are. A dishonest idiot. How original.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Reading is FUNdamental.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Just do what everyone else here has done when Ive exposed them. Cower away or change the subject without acknowledging the error of your ways. Thats what all you idiots are doing.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Whose comparison is ####ing stupid? What point have you proved? What was dishonest about me posting direct quotes? What have you exposed?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Are you feeling okay? You're acting abnormally imbecilic...even for you. Is everything alright?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Let's recap, shall we? Don pappi made a very accurate analogy that was relevant to the discussion regarding the concept of "exception vs rule".

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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"So are you stupid enough to believe that the cases of police misconduct are the rule as opposed to the exception as skal does?" -PLC (note - Skal never said that)

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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"a wife beater only beats his wife 3 times a year. all the other days he's great to her. the beatings are the exception, not the rule. now, do you see how what the exception or rule criteria does not fit in certain conversations" - Don pappi

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Don's point (which you're clearly oblivious to) was that even though the events (a man beating his wife) may occur infrequently in terms of actual occurrences...are so appalling as to me undeniable and unacceptable in their very nature.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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A man who beats his wife on rare occasions is still unquestionably wrong. He is, in fact defined by theses uncommon events. The point Don pappi made was relevant, explicit, and...completely lost on your limited intellect.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Rather than recognizing that the rarity of an incident doesn't necessarily allow for it to be readily dismissed...as you were ineptly attempting to do with the concept of police misconduct. ...you chose instead to go full retard

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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"Let me teach you a little bit. Your first example. Lets say the guy is a cook. He beats his wife 3 times a year. Are all cooks wife beaters? Should all cooks be investigated for spouse abuse?" -PLC (Proud Licker of Cöcks)

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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?????

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Are you really this much of a fückwit...or do you just play one on the internet?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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How in the fück is the occupation of the wife beater in any way relevant to the conversation? Yours was literally the dumbest possible response to a well-stated analogy.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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You are a complete fücking idiot. Your referral to other users on this forum as stupid is the pinnacle of irony. It's enough to restart Alanis Morissette’s career.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Please NO not Alanis............

President Not Sure @ over 2 years ago

Florissant, MO, USA

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A well stated analogy? Are you ####ing kidding me? One person committing a crime against his spouse is comparable to an entire profession committing a handful of crimes out of millions and millions of encounters by

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Thousands and thousands of people is comparable?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Don't worry. DP is still the dumbest posted on VM. But you are giving him a run for his money.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And I've already reposted where slap questioned whether or not it was the rule. You can see it yourself. But you won't. Intentional ignorance doesn't make you any better.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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It makes you the idiot you've always been.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And it's ####ing pathetically typical of you to try to pick one tiny portion of the conversation to try to exploit. Instead of being a normal person and chiming in on the conversation.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Again the act of a nobody? Just a guy from Georgia without a clue. Trying to be smarter and somehow better than everyone. ####ing pathetic.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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It would be great if you were right. But calling that an appropriate analogy just makes your whole attempt go down in flames.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Read the entire conversation before you say something stupid. What the #### is wrong with you? Stupidity must run in your family. You do it so well.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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With all this cop hate, I wonder why none of you decided to take the job. Do it correctly. You may not fix the whole profession but you'll provide the service you think is appropriate to those you encounter.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Some of you are still young enough to do so. Take on a worthwhile task. Maybe you'll rise in ranks and be in a position to positively impact more.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Or you may actually learn that your ideas are stupid and so are you. You may realize just how unrealistic and unreasonable your thoughts on proper policing are.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Either way, you'll come out a better person. You'll grow. You'll get out of your comfort zone and you'll pursue what appears to be one of your passions.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You'll do something for your community and get some much needed respect and credibility.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I e always felt compulsory civil service was a good idea. It would result in fewer idiots like I've seen in this thread. A bunch of know nothing's heavy on opinion but light on experience. ####ing hipsters.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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We'd score too high on the entrance exam.

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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If you don't like America or Americans, there's plenty of small tropical islands in the Caribbean that you might be better suited for.

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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A lifetime of serving my country tells you I hate my country? How cute. You are so stupid in a stupid kind of way.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And I highly doubt you'd score too high on ANY test. Except for a drug test.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Or several years of VOLUNTEER SERVICE and a life time of crowing about it.

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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??? Would you prefer mandatory civil service? I would. What I don't prefer is your lifetime of disregarding others service and sacrifices . You're welcome punk.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'm not disregarding anything. Nobody owes you anything. 0.

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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I didn't say anyone owed me anything. But you do disregard the sacrifices made for your sorry ass. Typical hipster bull####.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What sacrifices?

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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No sacrifices. No military or LEO has ever sacrificed anything. SMMFH! You are a true blue scumbag.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What sacrifices have YOU made?

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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Dude, STFU already. You'll never understand the sacrifices made on your behalf. Nor appreciate them.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What sacrifices have you made on my behalf?

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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Didn't I already tell you? No sacrifices. No person has ever sacrificed anything on your behalf. Ever. Ungrateful bitches like you are incapable of recognizing any sacrifices. Just you asking tells me that.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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you, arroyo, racer, skal, dp, none of you are capable of recognizing the sacrifices made on your behalf by men and women who are way better Americans than you.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Just sit here and whine and complain and second guess and spit in the eye of the people who have stepped up to do a job neither one of you has the balls to do. Ain't America great?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What determines how good of an American a person is?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Acworth, GA 30102, USA

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So you haven't made any sacrifices. Also please provide an example of when I have disregarded anyone's else's service.

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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Neither I nor any other veteran has ever sacrificed anything for you.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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How do you make the determination regarding how good of an American a person is?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30066, USA

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Is it the same analytical technique you use to determine who is a savage and a thug?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA, USA

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so for clarity police officer/soldier=better american than you because the have to balls to sacrifice and do those jobs. got it

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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what if they beat their wives or rape kids. would that lower them to our mere mortal status.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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I'm glad I'm making you smarter DP. But understand that it's an uphill battle.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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It hard to lower someone to your status. But a child rapist would do it.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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also is questioning if there motive actually is to serve and protect what got us the unamerican traitor status.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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are bridge builders heros for their sacrifice as well? they die

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

3ba75abd9c729d64b5648498e8a8547a

how about teachers? they settle for less money doing that that the could make..and no one wants to do.that job either

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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No. Bridge builders are nowhere close to those who sacrifice for the greater good like military/LEOs

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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But a POS like you WOULD compare the two.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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so that I'm completely clear, are the only civil servants with this hero status for sacrificing for our good daily ones that carry guns? if you won't kill or be killed you do nothing to make america great.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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got that memo..hey they should pay those guys to be police officers and soldiers. its.not fair the have to sacrifice for nothing.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Longfellow, Iowa City, IA

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You're learning. Any other stupid questions?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Is Joe Flacco an elite NFL quarterback?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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If hot air rises...why is the snow at the TOP of the mountain?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Gwinnett Village, GA, USA

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If Jimmy cracks corn and no one cares, why is there a song about him?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Norcross, GA 30093, USA

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Why does Goofy stand erect while Pluto remains on all fours? 

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Norcross, GA 30093, USA

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Why do they call it taking a dump? Shouldn't it be leaving a dump?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Norcross, GA 30071, USA

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Who's a better American...a police officer or a soldier?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

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Which branch of the military has the BEST Americans?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Duluth, GA 30096, USA

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If you get denied military enlistment because of a medical condition out of your control...are you still a great American?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA 30044, USA

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Is it the gun that makes police officers and soldiers great Americans?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA 30044, USA

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Are members of the Coast Guard great Americans? What about security guards?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA 30044, USA

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What about PRIVATE security guards?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA 30044, USA

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Are plainclothes policemen better or worse Americans than uniformed officers?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA, USA

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How great of an American is a Meter Maid?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA, USA

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Who would win if Batman and Spider-Man got in a Spelling Bee?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA, USA

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Is an enlisted soldier a better American...or an officer?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA, USA

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The answer is...................... B!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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God Bless you all!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I would have said 42...but that's just me.

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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you didn't carry the •§, that's why. It's definitely B.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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This should help. http://ourvalor.tumblr.com/image/35534908060

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Not everyone is a Hitchhiker.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Dacula, GA 30019, USA

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Man I was so worried, I couldn't find my towel for minute.

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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Don't panic

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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No need to be afraid. The rain tree never fails the low bricks on the ground.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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That sounds like something a bowl of petunias would think.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Atlanta, GA 30337, USA

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Thats completely inconsistent with proven oatmeal technology.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Vogons are oblivious to the minutiae of the galaxy around them.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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So typical of Western Grandulates

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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One question I have, what's up with all the people who refuse to accept that Hands up, Don't Shoot was bullshít? Feels before reals or what?

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Midtown East, New York, NY

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Who refuses to accept that? The autopsy and forensic reports pretty much settled that.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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I'm talking about the protesters.

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Midtown East, New York, NY

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It's also interesting how many articles on the anniversary of this thing are missing at least *one* sentence explaining that bit

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Midtown East, New York, NY

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I believe the Michael Brown shooting was justified.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Tucker, GA 30084, USA

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All news stories I read make sure to use the phrase "unarmed teenager". I feel that phrase is biased without being balanced with other relevant information.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Tucker, GA, USA

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Just because I believe in police accountability doesn't mean that I'm against the police in every incident.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Tucker, GA, USA

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The entire purpose of this thread was to discuss the topic of where more danger lies. 1) Are police in more danger from the general public? 2) Or are the police more of a danger TO the general public?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Tucker, GA, USA

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Of course. I've actually also seen "gentle giant" making a comeback, I mean please.

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Midtown East, New York, NY

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Yeah it was just a side thought, just something that's been bothering me reading about this particular incident

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Midtown East, New York, NY

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I'm going with the first choice by the way.

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Midtown East, New York, NY

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I figured as much. But I do appreciate your ability and willingness to discuss the topic rationally.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Tucker, GA, USA

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I'm also not sure dirty cop incidents are actually on the rise so much as an increase in visibility (phone cams etc) and national attention.

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Midtown East, New York, NY

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Dirty cop incidents are of course unacceptable whatever the %, so I'm totally agree with the accountability. That's the only way we can get a better handle on the 'numerator'

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Midtown East, New York, NY

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Unfortunately, we may never know...because police don't release statistics detailing how many citizens are killed cops. That's unsettling. Why don't they release the figures?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cumberland, Vinings, GA

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There can't be accountability without transparency.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cumberland, Vinings, GA

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Yep

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Midtown East, New York, NY

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The refusal of police departments to release these figures is a clear indication they don't want accountability.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA, USA

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The resistance of police officers and their unions to embrace the use of body cameras is a clear indication they don't want accountability.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA, USA

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Even with those stats, it wouldn't be clear though how much was justified and how much wasn't. But it would help.

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Midtown East, New York, NY

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The disdain and resentment of police officers towards being video recorded while in the performance of their duty by citizens in public is a clear indication that cops don't want accountability.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA, USA

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Well, unions in general don't really like accountability

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Midtown East, New York, NY

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Although in this case, we're dealing with life and death matters rather than just bad employees, sorry it's quite important.

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Midtown East, New York, NY

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Speaking out against dirty cops is no more a condemnation of all police...than speaking out against illegal immigrants is a condemnation of all immigrants. The ridiculous hyperbole needs to stop.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Town Center, GA, USA

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The problem is extrapolated when it's not just a rogue cop that's out of line...but rather an entire department that's receiving bad marching orders from their commanders.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Calhoun, GA 30701, USA

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Like the illegal quota system carried out by the NYPD http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-nypd-accused-destroying-summons-info-article-1.2282345

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Calhoun, GA 30701, USA

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By establishing quotas, and a disciplinary system based upon these quotas, NYPD top brass are mandating that patrol officers invent crimes where they don't exist. That leads to false charges being brought against innocent citizens.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Dalton, GA 30721, USA

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If not for a few courageous whistleblower cops, the facts would all be buried or destroyed.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Resaca, GA 30735, USA

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It's despicable.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Resaca, GA 30735, USA

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To answer your post, I don't believe cops are in danger, but I do believe they can be a danger to themselves AND society. How can I say that? Cops don't have to know the law to enforce the law.

Bankai! @ over 2 years ago

Franklin, TN, USA

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It's NOT illegal for them to arrest you if they consider the arrest "reasonable". That in effect could nullify your 4th Amendment rights.

Bankai! @ over 2 years ago

Franklin, TN, USA

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Legally, a cop must be able to articulate a reason for detaining or arresting a person. Unfortunately, the police violate this far too frequently.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Dalton, GA 30720, USA

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It's blatant police misconduct, and far too frequently the officer isn't reprimanded for their misconduct.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Dalton, GA 30720, USA

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i don't believe there is more police misconduct than before either. Cameras have changed everything. now people see it. just like the punch Ray Rice threw and how once the video came out it changed everything.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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now that the misconduct is being documented, it's time for some accountability

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Chattanooga, TN 37421, USA

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https://youtu.be/VFHpvPwq2i8

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Chattanooga, TN 37421, USA

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^and thats from like 10-15 years ago.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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I fit the description of the white guy who was completely oblivious to police brutality. I credit YouTube for opening my eyes to just how much of a prick some cops can be.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Bradley County, TN

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I legitimately had no idea. Cops leave me the hell alone.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Bradley County, TN

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I'm a black man with a degree who doesn't sag his pants, talks "proper," and very passive. my mistake was I had dreadlocks up until last year, and I'm 6'4 230ish.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Everyone leaves you alone. You're invisible. Insignificant. Enjoy the life of being a nobody. Some would envy you.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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i have been pulled out of the car 90% of my traffic stops, with some strange reasoning for why I was pulled over

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Racer, I think you meant "exacerbated" ;)

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Midtown East, New York, NY

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Accountability exists. I find it interesting that you idiots claim it doesn't. What would accountability look like to you?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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also my mistake, I drive nice cars and live in neighborhoods I shouldn't be able to afford. suspicious

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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also my bad, black and milds must smell like Marijuana

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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^victim

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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pulled over and told they saw smoke and smelled marajuana..searched the car...i was smoking a black and mild

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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pulled over for excessive noise at a stop light at 3 in the afternoon. i domt have after market speakers and the music wasn't that loud. he said he shouldn't be able to hear it in his car. said he smelled marajuana. searched the car.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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pulled over for not being able to read the last number on the temporary tag for a new car. asked if i had a gun in the car because this type of car is often bought to conceal weapons. car searched

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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pulled over for speading on the way back from my wifes parents os small town iowa. yes i was speeding and deserved a ticket. my wife and 5 year old child with me. put in the squad car while he checked my liscence and made sure i wasn't wanted

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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arrested for trying to give a statement after a fight I witnessed. the good cop told the truth and found not guilty" but still had to spend the night in jail.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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@ Drew - sure...let's go with that

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Loudon County, TN

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so yes I am a victim. these are things that happened directly to me that should not happen. My temperment probably helped nothing more come from any of these.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Police accountability should look like cops being reprimanded for writing bogus tickets...instead of being reprimanded for NOT writing bogus tickets.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Loudon County, TN

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if its a violation fine, give me a ticket, but smelling Marijuana when there is none? do you randomly catch the smell Marijuana.?

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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So what does accountability look like?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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run my liscence and check if I had warrants. fine. why pull me out the car?

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-nypd-accused-destroying-summons-info-article-1.2282345

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Loudon County, TN

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accountability isn't always discipline either. its identifying where there are issues and fixing them. i understand cops make mistakes like any human and they shouldn't be held to perfection. however, they literally hold peoples life and freedom in

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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their hands. whatever measures (ie. body cameras) are available should be used for everyone's sake.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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http://www.policemisconduct.net/2010-npmsrp-police-misconduct-statistical-report/

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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Policemisconductdotnet. LMAO

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Why exactly are you laughing? Care to explain? Are you familiar with the site?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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Police should be held accountable when facts find them to be wrong. As currently happens. I would love for the system toe perfect. Unfortunately It isn't. I don't know if any system that is.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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A good start to creating police accountability would be: ° Body cameras worn by all cops (video to be direct upload to a central server. The original may be duplicated, but not edited) ° GPS in every patrol car (Lots of employers do it)

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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° Release the stats detailing how many citizens are killed by members of law enforcement. What good reason would exist for this information being withheld?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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If you thought policemisconductdotnet was funny, you should read this. http://www.policemisconduct.net/about/ It's hilarious.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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I don't have a problem with body cameras or GPS. Both have shown to validate PO versions far more often than savages versions.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Great. see what happens when you settle down and start addressing the actual issue?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Knoxville, TN, USA

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I've long said that about both. You're too busy being a dick to realize that. As usual.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What are your thoughts on releasing the stats regarding the number of citizens killed by cops?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Knoxville, TN, USA

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If cops are so in favor of cameras...why do they constantly try to illegally seize the cameras of citizens recording them? Why do they harass citizens who video record their activity?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Knoxville, TN, USA

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I wouldn't have a problem with that either. But I can kinda understand why they don't. The stats don't tell the whole story and they'll likely be used by the ignorant (you) to make the police look bad.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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If you idiots had an understanding of reality and the law, it wouldn't be so bad. But you don't. Thus the hesitation.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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That being said, I can also understand your skepticism. It does appear to be they're hiding something. And they very well might be. Just not what you think. I guess.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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But t I can admit that I don't have any idea why they don't disclose. My posts are merely my opinion. But I could be dead wrong.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I was wrong once. In 1985. It sucked.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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that was the last time you admitted to being wrong?

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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You love to add #### that you dont see, dont you? Very bad habit with you. Cut it out!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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So you didn't admit it back then, either?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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You high again? Is your reading comprehension compromised by the drugs yet again? Get help. Click here. http://www.rochrecovery.org/NARoch.html

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Your family can thank me later.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. I'm just not wrong often. Sucks to be you.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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racer, you said lumping all cop's in with dirty cops needs to stop, correct? then you go into a rant lumping them all together? ?? . 1 union, is not ALL cops some cops are not ALL cops . do I guess what's your numerator* .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Oh, so now u r against implied statements? How convenient.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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So now you are for implied statements? How convenient.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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@H2O - when did I lump them all together?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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500 encounters / day / state was too low. 1000 / day / state too high . 750 ? . 25k-50k / day .. . how many are cop bad 10k-35k? 10%? 25%? 50%? . I'd bet 100%, if you're a criminal. . maybe the same percentage as innocent prison inmates .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Ive read where there are over 60,000,000 police encounters in the United States each year.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Almost 165,000 a day

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Almost 7,000 an hour

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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114 a minute

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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How many allegations have we had over the last year? How many have been proven? Do the math.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And that cook only beat his wife 3 times last year.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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That one cook. Damn Him! Damn him to hell!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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That's fewer times than PLC performed felatio in 1985.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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Which reminds me, Those 60+ million encounters are by 800k+ officers.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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it sucked it certainly did

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

800k+ officers

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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800,000 for the Georgia folk

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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800k+

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And how many incidents?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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How many proven allegations?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Do the math

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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so...about those summons quotas implemented by the NYPD

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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Are they good or bad?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Everything with racer always turns to some gay sex act. Project much?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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While you're fascinating about gay oral sex, do the math.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Quotas implemented by any police department is bad. Allegations are still just that. Allegations. Until proven true they'll remain allegations.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You admitted it. We all read it.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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Are you doing the math ####?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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you're gay

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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How many acts of police misconduct does a cop have to commit to be a bad cop?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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Sorry, your answer is wrong. Again.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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How many dïcks does a guy have to suck to be a fåggot?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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I guess we wont "see what happens when you settle down and start addressing the actual issue?"

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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How many pieces of rat shït on your hamburger make it inedible?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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what's the numerator?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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One act. One officer needs to only commit ONE proven act of police misconduct to be a bad cop. One cop committing ONE act of police misconduct DOES NOT make 800K+ cops bad cops.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You and your fantasies of sucking male dick is annoying. Take your desires to some gay chat site. We are discussing "actual issues" here.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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800K+ cops. How many have been proven guilty of police misconduct?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Allegations are allegations until proven. Savages, however, are savages until acquitted. Wait, what? That's not how it is supposed to work...

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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How is it supposed to work. Is there a system in place that decides whether or not the acts of a PO are justified or not?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Is there a similar system in place that decides how the #### I want to call a person? A system that makes decisions for how I base my opinion?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You tell me ####head? Just skip past ALL the FACTS I just posted. Go right past that and lets concentrate on why I consider you a savage. How ####ing cute.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Savages are guilty until proven innocent, I guess.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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u mad brah?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Not until they appear before the savage court. Your ignorance is showing again. Keep looking for that win bitch.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Mad? Not at all. Should I be?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Are you busy doing the math while you throw out this nonsense?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Focus kid, FOCUS! Do the math. What do we have? 60+ million encounters. 800k+ cops. How many dirty cops do we have?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Do the math

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Study it out

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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You are missing the forest for the trees, again.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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So you dont want to do the math? That sucks. You sounded so certain. The whole smoke thing. The trees. I didnt think you'd bitch out like this. The math hurts you. And thats actually a great thing.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Things arent as bad as you like to make them out to be. When you think with your brain and not with your heart.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Bad cops exist. Its a horrible fact. Just not as common as you and your band of idiots like to make it out to be.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Quick Q: That cop that pulled over Don for "smelling Mary Jane", does that stop get included in the numerator?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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If so, how are those reported? How many of those type of encounters exist? Do we know?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Im missing the forest? By giving you hard numbers. I think you're missing the forrest for imagined trees. Must be the drugs. Oh, so sad.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Analogies aren't your strong suit.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I'm a facts guy. You should try them. They make life so much easier. Analogies dont really do it for me. Comparing ONE guy to 800 doesnt do it for me. But suit yourself.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Facts arent your strong suit. So I guess we're even?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Maybe not

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You keep your weak analogies. Ill keep my facts.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Lets spread the picture a bit. 60+ million encounters over 10 years. 600+ million encounters. How many proven police misconduct over the past 10 years. Do the math

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You trying to argue facts on incomplete data. (i.e. the numerator is unknown)

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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If the data is incomplete, how the #### can you question whether its the rule or the exception? Convenience?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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How quick are you to smell fire when the data is so ####ing incomplete?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Biased much?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Again, I'm sure DP isn't the only person ordered out of their car on suspicion of MJ on bogus pretences. Do those fit in the numerator. If so, how many of those are there? You can't argue about facts until you

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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have all of the data.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Im not "arguing facts" Im merely providing some that will help you find your numerator. Facts that you are obviously totally ignorant to. Because you didnt see it on the 9 second youtube clip.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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How quick are you to smell fire when the data is so ####ing incomplete? Easy answer - video. Bodycam and bystander video is uncovering a lot of stuff we didn't know about.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Lets understand a few things. There are always 3 sides to a story. You automatically believe DP was a po lil victim in these supposed encounters. Why? Ill tell your dumb ass why. Cause they fit your preconceptions.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Going back to the Michael Scott video 10 years ago, I don't think that would've appeared in the numerator. Thanks to video, it does.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Did the officer smell mj? IDK! Was DP a dick? Likely! Was this a case of police misconduct? We cant know until we know all of the data.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Youre assuming theyre false pretenses. Based on the "victims" story. Do you understand how stupid that is? Are you even capable of grasping how stupid that is.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Did the officer smell mj? IDK! Was DP a dick? Likely!" Biased much?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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With that standard, who the #### needs courts and judges and lawyers and juries? #### it! DP said it so we must hang that cop! WTF is wrong with you?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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because you don't want a large numerator. ... it wouldn't suit your agenda, correct? . question; Are you more likely to be killed by a cop or an undocumented immigrant? .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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You are truly stupid skal.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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PLC, Latino cops are okay, only white cops kill . .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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We all know that DP is a savage. Have you tried to read his posts? Holy SMOKES! Stupid is as STUPID does.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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PLC - do cops lie to give probable cause for a search? If so, how often does it happen?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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LMAO H2O!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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http://www.lawofficer.com/articles/2015/07/illinois-k9-s-skill-scrutinized-by-appeals-court.html Or you could just train a dog to always signal (with treats).

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Bitch how many times do I have to say that there ARE bad cops out there? They exist. WTF? Have I EVER said that there are no bad cops?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Do good cops lie to give probable cause for a search? If so, how often does it happen?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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That illinois k9 thats scrutinized is 1 out of 60million + encounters. ONE! And one that was upheld by the court. The officer wasnt found guilty of any wrong doing, was he?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Did the officer lie?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Good cops do not need to lie to give probable cause for a search. Why do you ask? Was this dog trained to give bad signals? Is there proof of this?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Im not understanding this? Did you read the link?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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@H2O - we can't know whether illegal immigrants kill more people than cops. The cops refuse to tell us how many people they kill. I wonder why?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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have you finished with the math or are you still on the gay site?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Do the cops keep reports on how many people have been killed by illegals?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Why are you so outraged at me, you gay savage?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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Your the one who openly admitted to sucking dick.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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Im not outraged. Im eagerly awaiting the results of your math problem.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I take it by your post that youre still busy with the gay site. Let us know when youre finished. I want to know what the math said.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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skal, will you be getting back to me on your link? Has the officer been accused of wrong doing by anyone but the admitted drug dealing savage?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Tuesday's ruling pointed to records showing Lex nearly always signals drugs are present — 93 percent of the time. And it cited other figures that indicated he is frequently wrong — more than 40 percent of the time."

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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"But the judges make clear their concern that dogs that almost always signal for drugs could potentially provide police with a "pretext" to search anyone's car."

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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"They also highlighted the practice of Lex's police handlers giving him a reward — a toy hose stuffed with a sock — each time he alerts, whether he's right or wrong about drugs, saying that "seems like a terrible way to"

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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promote accurate detection." You train your dog to hit every 93% of the time, you get a search pretty much any time you want. If you can't see that, you're blind.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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"It added that Lex's overall performance likely rose just above minimally acceptable levels according to criteria laid out by the U.S. Supreme Court."

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Now if the dog is correct on only 60% of those signals, and you have done something to cause the dog to hit when they haven't been trained to (by giving them positive feedback), is that misconduct?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Am I missing something here? Was the case overturned because of police misconduct? Was it overturned at all? Was the officer accused of any wrong doing? Is this an example of police misconduct to you?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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yup a po lil victim. that ain't even all my encounters either. you should see the difference when a white party is broken up in college as opposed to a black party.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Are you saying the dog was trained to hit when it shouldnt?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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WTF are you talking about?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Forest for the trees. If you've trained a dog so that it hits 93% of the time (and is correct only 60% of those), which gives you a probable cause to conduct a search, is that misconduct?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Be careful. Your ignorance is showing again.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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If you claim to smell MJ, just so you can claim probable cause for a search, is that misconduct?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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the problem is I am not a unicorn. the black guy that has had a majority of positive encounters with police are much more rare that I am. that is the problem.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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DP, how is it a white party if youre there? Wouldnt that make it a mixed party?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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skal, work with me here. Are you going to answer ANY of my questions?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I would categorize both as misconduct in an encounter. There is absolutely no way to quantify it. That ain't going to be self reported. Your numerator is incomplete.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I am not a thug, and do not come off as one in any way. I am not nearly as combative as I fully admit most blacks are. and I still have similar experiences with cops.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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so yup I'm a victim. it happens. way more than it should. and you constitution loving, real 'mericans, could give two sh!ts if.my rights are being violated. just playing the odds right? not profiling. just playing the odds.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Skal, I guess youre not going to answer any of my questions. Youre just going to have a conversation with yourself. Thereby ensuring no pushback. How clever.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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95 white people. 6 blacks......yup mixed party.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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DP, you dont look like a thug. But you are stupid. And that counts for a lot.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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45 black people 2 white. yup mixed.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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"Are you saying the dog was trained to hit when it shouldnt?" Are you familiar with the "Clever Hans" effect?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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30 white...30 black....that don't happen in Iowa...happens in the bay area,CA..but not Iowa

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Are you familiar with the "answer ####ing questions" effect?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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apparently not.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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http://www.physicianhealthprogram.com/addiction-news/doctors-vulnerable-to-prescription-drug-abuse/

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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It's sad

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The "clever Hans effect" is my answer. You should become familiar with it.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I type on a phone. as I type the words go up. I am not going to scroll up to re read. sorry. i have enough scrutiny over making sure there are no mistakes in what I do daily.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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i could give to ####s here. guilty pleasure I guess. I've went on this rant before. you can pull it up. long story short..my ideas are solid. my thought pattern, solid. my typing on this phone. not solid. 0 focks given

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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It aint got nothing to do with your phone. Most people here type on their phones. You're just stupid.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Skal, you should become familiar with reading questions and answering them. Apparently youve become too familiar with adding #### that isnt there in hopes of making a point.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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you see. you say that and think I really care. "the award winning plc" thinks I'm stupid. hahahahahha..jesus life is so good

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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I'm black. big and black. those things suck but I wouldn't trade them for the world.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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DP, its obvious you dont give two ####s about intelligence. Go flip a burger. It dont take quantum mechanics to do that, does it skal?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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life is so good, and I wouldn't go through it any other way than.as a big black guy. being harassed sucks. but the perks are amazing

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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you're a po lil victim. A stupid one at that. I don't give two ####s about your color or your size. Neither should you. Stop playing the victim.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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free school. your pick of pretty blondes. bad halle berry looking black women. it is the bees knees. then as you age you get to be the lige of the party. always. I don't think I have bought a drink im 15-20 years. hahhaha

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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if you think the perks of genetic bull#### like skin color and size offer amazing perks, you should see what the perks to hard work and intelligence offer.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Skal, you should become familiar with reading questions and answering them." I did. Your Q: "Are you saying the dog was trained to hit when it shouldnt?"

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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but "the award winning plc" on an app with 20 people shooting the #### thinks I'm stupid because i could give 2 sh!ts if I type well here. hahhahahaa

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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It's heartbreaking to see how you measure success. Free ####. blonde chicks popularity and free alcohol. MLK would spit in your face.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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My A: "Are you familiar with the "Clever Hans Effect"? There's your answer. Right there.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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from what I understand someone who flips burgers and is not young anymore, would not be very interested in having political conversation. hahahahha do you flip burgers?

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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skalskalskal, how ignorant can one person be. Try answering the questions asked. This is why decent conversation is impossible. Idiots like you.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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If you aren't familiar with it, you should learn about it. It explains how drug dogs respond to subtle contextual clues to produce hits. With experimental data showing the effect.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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while we can say color doesn't matter, and "I'm blind to color" that entire concept is rediculous. you can remain consistent about your treatment of people no matter their color, but not seeing it is literally impossible.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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You asked this: "Are you saying the dog was trained to hit when it shouldnt?" I answered it. How is that not answering the question asked?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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From what you understand? OMG! Thats a pretty dumb comment coming from the dumbest poster on VM. Do I flip burgers? Occasionally. During BBQs. Not for a living. To feed family and friends.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Are you too stupid to realize when someone is answering a question? Particularly when they quote it back to you in this format: Q: A: That's weapon's grade idiocy.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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you also have to be pretty simple to not recognize the different responses different colors, sizes, attractiveness etc change the way interactions go for you. negative and positive

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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skal, you should have joined the conversation earlier. where questions and answers that made no sense where being posted. Thats over. This is serious talk now.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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talking about amd acknowledging is healthy. its not just anout color either. fat women are discriminate against in hiring. if a good looking attractive women come in they get the job.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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are we back to implied statements? Ill ask that one question again despite the fact that you ignored all the others.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Are you saying the dog was trained to hit when it shouldnt?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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fat and ugly is the worse combination. fat, ugly, and black and you are going to have it rough. which is why Oprah deserves the biggest lifetime achievement award ever.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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DP, do yourself a favor and shut up.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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How exactly does that make no sense? Drug dogs can be made to respond to cues to produce hits. Drug dogs can be manipulated to produce hits with rewards. Both can be used to give probable cause for searches.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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How often does that manipulation happen? Is that misconduct? If so, how often does that happen? It's all part of figuring out the numerator.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Was THIS dog trained to respond to cues to produce hits? Stay with me here. Stop looking at the shiny objects.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Was THIS dog (Lex) manipulated to produce hits for rewards?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You're introducing this manipulation without basis. weak weak weak

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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do myself a favor. that would imply there is a consequence. but there is none. so why would I give 2 sh!ts. do you understand now?

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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PenisLovingChucklehead still doesn't get the references made earlier. He says they made no sense. He says everyone else is stupid.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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Oh the ignorance!

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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Stick with me now (serious): We don't know how a 93% hit rate with a 60% true positive rate compares with other dogs. If it's an outlier, that's pretty good evidence that something other than chance is

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Not only are you introducing this without cause, you're impugning the integrity of a PO for no reason and without merit. Apparently SCOTUS has set a standard and the decision stated he met that standard.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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making the dog hit incorrectly. The problem is, this data isn't collected. We don't know how accurate each dog is.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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But apparently thats not enough for the police training expert/police dog trainer/medical expert/lawyer expert from minnesota.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Theres a lot of #### you dont know there. Lets stick with what we DO know.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Was the PO implicated in ANY wrong doing? That we know.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Was the K9 implicated in any wrong doing? That we know

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Was the case overturned on any misconduct? That we know

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I know a bit about how to conduct and interpret tests, including biases that can lead to incorrect results. This is one of those things I am very familiar with.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Oh no...not impugning the integrity of a PO! They do a fine job of that all by themselves. http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/bronx-man-sue-unexplained-arrest-alleged-injury-article-1.2250185

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Farragut, TN, USA

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Was the case overturned at all? That we know

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Did the dog meet the criteria laid out by SCOTUS? That we know

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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But you want to claim this as a case of police misconduct? WTF

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Racer, thanks for the one link to the allegation. Get back to me when the case is decided.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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We know dogs can be taught how to produce false hits. (Clever Hans effect) We know that dogs can be trained to produce hits with positive feedback.(Pavlovian conditioning) We know that this particular dog had a

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Skal is now the k9 training expert here! He googled it! OMG! This place never ceases to amaze me!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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very high hit rate (93%) with very low true positive rate (60%). That's what we know. And it's fishy.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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We know that if an officer claims they smelled marijuana, there is absolutely zero way to confirm whether or not they actually smelled marijuana. I don't believe there is data that shows how many times that claim

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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was used as probable cause for a search that turned up nothing. THAT would be interesting. Particularly if there was a demographic breakdown.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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There are enough real cases of police misconduct. You don't need this weak as hell case.

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I guess I would claim performing a search under false pretences would be misconduct. Damn 4th amendment. We just simply don't know how often that happens bc it can't be measure.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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*measured. that's where your "do the math" instruction fails.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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In this country we need proof of these things. Something's you're sorely lacking.

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That type of data is impossible - no officer is going to admit they didn't smell MJ if the used that as the reason to conduct a search.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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And we don't have data to compare these officer's "sense of smell" to identify possibly outliers or trends.

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*possible

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Maybe their sense of smell is driven by a quota? That's never happened in NYC, right? If their "sense of smell" is heightened because of a quota, is that misconduct?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Or is that just something where the ends justify the means? Gotta be "tough on crime"

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Since this type of data is impossible to gather, how could you put so much weight on it?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I wont play "lets imagine" with you. Like I said, I like facts. Bring some facts that this dog is improperly trained and we'll discuss it. Bring me some facts that the officer (any officer) DIDNT smell mj & we'll discuss

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Bring me some proof that there is a quota system in place and we'll discuss.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Your meritless implications only give validity to my opinion of you. Ignorance is your trademark.

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Link to the Clever Hans study on drug dogs, btw: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10071-010-0373-2

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Is that a link that shows this dog, Lex, to be "guilty" of this?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Because if it doesnt, its worthless.

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We know the phenomenon exists (above) We have evidence of it being applied: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01-06/news/ct-met-canine-officers-20110105_1_drug-sniffing-dogs-alex-rothacker-drug-dog

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Are there Doctors who are addicted to drugs? Does that mean ALL Doctors are addicted to drugs? Can we imply that certain Doctors without reason to do so?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Then why would you do that in this case? Because you want it to be misconduct?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Fact: NYPD pays nearly $100 million a year in Civil Rights Lawsuits Settlements. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/10/15/nypd-spends-nearly-100-million-a-year-on-civil-rights-lawsuit-settlements/

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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"Is that a link that shows this dog, Lex, to be "guilty" of this? " You should look at it. Learn something. Challenge yourself.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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"Are there Doctors who are addicted to drugs? Does that mean ALL Doctors are addicted to drugs?" There is a difference between deduction and induction. Learn it.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Fact: Racer is an idiot who has no ####ing clue what he's talking about.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You dont like to answer questions that contradict the points youre trying to make. No matter how weak those points really are.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The points aren't weak at all. You seem to lack the capacity to understand them.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Fact: PLC sucks dick. He admitted it. Everyone knows what a little f@ggot he is.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Racer, I know you dont like questions either and that you are quite ignorant of the law but let me ask you this, do settlements indicate guilt? Have you ever heard of a nuisance settlement?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The points are quite weak. The only connection to this clever hans and this case is in your head. Unless, of course, you can provide a direct link. Can you?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Racer, get back to your gay chat sites. Your fantasies are showing again.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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it's a fact https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ubfbpRktP0

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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You wouldnt know a fact if it appeared on your gay chat sites. You're too ignorant to know one and your posts prove it.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Why would I answer a f@ggot's question?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Read the study. It's right there in front of you. Here's a cliff notes version for you: http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/welcome/features/2010-2011/02/20110223_drug_dogs.html

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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You wouldn't know a fact if it came on your face.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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You are losing badly Racer. And its a sad sight to see. I'm sorry I've embarrassed you to the point where you feel the need to resort to this behavior. God bless you son.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"The study, published in the January issue of the journal Animal Cognition, found that detection-dog/handler teams erroneously “alerted,” or identified a scent, when there was no scent present more than 200 times — "

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Does the study implicate Lex?

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particularly when the handler believed that there was scent present."

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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"There are cognitive factors affecting the interaction between a dog and a handler that can impact the dog’s performance,” "These might be as important — or even more important — than the sensitivity of a dog’s nose.”

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Does the study implicate Lex?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Is Lex a drug sniffing dog? If yes, the study's findings are particularly pertinent.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Thats the first question.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The answer is no, since you refuse to answer.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Let me repeat it for you

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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"The interaction between a dog and a handler that can impact the dog’s performance,” "These might be as important — or even more important — than the sensitivity of a dog’s nose.”

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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The second question is, does the study indicate that the handler would have knowledge of the dog behaving in this manner?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Lex is a drug-sniffing dog. The study looked at drug sniffing dogs and only drug sniffing dogs. This is what is called deduction. Learn it.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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So even IF the dog behaved with this behavior, would the handler have knowledge of this thus utilizing it in an unscrupulous manner?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Are there Doctors who are addicted to drugs? Does that mean ALL Doctors are addicted to drugs?" This is induction. Learn it.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Learn the differences between the two and how they are used. Or remain ignorant. Whatever makes you feel better.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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So IF the dog behave like this, which we have ZERO proof that he did, we would also have to establish that the handler was aware (which we havent) and is utilizing this dog intentionally for bad results.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"The second question is, does the study indicate that the handler would have knowledge of the dog behaving in this manner? " You should try reading the study.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Which in this case WASN'T a bad result because the drugs were present.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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This is the poster child of bad points. On so many levels, it's laughable.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I read the study. Nowhere does it mention Lex or his handler. Except in your wild imagination.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"So even IF the dog behaved with this behavior, would the handler have knowledge of this thus utilizing it in an unscrupulous manner?" That might explain the high hit rate and low true positive rate in certain

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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minority groups.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Sooooooo many good case of police misconduct and you pick one where NO misconduct was ever suspected. You're weak. Ignorant. And desperate.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And likely high as hell!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Is it a high hit rate? Compared to what? Whats the normal hit rate? Whats the normal false positive rate?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"I read the study. Nowhere does it mention Lex or his handler. Except in your wild imagination." And this is where you show you have no ability to think critically. Congratulations.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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"The high hit rate and low true positive rate in certain minority groups"? Certain minority groups?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Thinking critically means implicating innocent people just because it fits your "story"?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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It might be so it must be doesnt work for me.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Prevalence of drug use is ~ 10 % I'd say a 93% hit rate seems a bit high.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Is the 93% accurate? The 40%? "Bieser argued Lex's alert and false-positive rates on the street are misleading because they don't factor in times he detects drug residue or larger quantities police simply fail to find."

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Prevalence of drug use wouldn't play a factor in the hit rate. AND you have nothing to compare it to. Wait! You are the K9 training expert here. So maybe you do. Whats the norm?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I feel like I'm just punching you in the face and you're not even putting up your hands.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The most interesting part that you failed to acknowledge is that this wasnt a false hit. This was a positive positive.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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But who cares about that? This must be misconduct. A study said so. LMAO!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Damn popo ####ing with these poor innocent drug runners. What a shame!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"This was a positive positive." On average, a coin is heads 50% of the time, too.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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"Bieser argued Lex's alert and false-positive rates on the street are misleading because they don't factor in times he detects drug residue or larger quantities police simply fail to find." That's his trainer...

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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what to you expect him to say? I suck at training? I can't produce results better than flipping a coin? Weak.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Key line: "But the judges make clear their concern that dogs that almost always signal for drugs could potentially provide police with a "pretext" to search anyone's car."

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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This isnt a coin. This isnt heads or tails. This is 20 kilos of cocaine. And the fact that you have ZERO proof that this dog or his handler are wrong in any way.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Bares repeating for your stupid ass: "But the judges make clear their concern that dogs that almost always signal for drugs could potentially provide police with a "pretext" to search anyone's car."

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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And again: "But the judges make clear their concern that dogs that almost always signal for drugs could potentially provide police with a "pretext" to search anyone's car."

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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One more time: "But the judges make clear their concern that dogs that almost always signal for drugs could potentially provide police with a "pretext" to search anyone's car."

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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None

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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But deduce away. Im going to deduce that this K9 and his handler are honorable servants to society and deserve much better treatment than the treatment a POS like you is giving them.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"This isnt a coin. This isnt heads or tails." 0.93*.6 = 0.55 That's about the same as the probability of picking heads or tails. Math is hard.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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"acceptable levels according to criteria laid out by the U.S. Supreme Court."

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Im going to deduce that this K9 and his handler are honorable servants to society and deserve much better treatment than the treatment a POS like you is giving them. " That's an induction. FAIL

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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You should look up the definition of "could". It doesnt mean that happened in this case. For a medical man, you sure are dumb.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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LMAO! Youve shown how hard math is. So hard you refused to try. Out of fear that youll look stupid. Again. But you ended up looking stupid anyway.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Did I say it happened in this case? If so, please show me where.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Math is hard. Police work is harder. Too bad you cant respect the hard work being done daily to protect ####s like you. Deduce that! LMAO! Maybe they didnt teach you that in quantum mechanics.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Because it looks like you are down at the tree level again. I'm up looking at the forest.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Are we once again going away from the implications? You're getting me dizzy.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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There was never anything implied about this specific case. Big picture. Forest level. I've only repeated that line, i dunno...dozen times.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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No implications made?these were two different conversations? One about the dog Lex and a wholly separate one about the hans crap? Really? You didnt try to imply that this dog and the Hans crap were related? Really?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Skal, you should become familiar with reading questions and answering them." I did. Your Q: "Are you saying the dog was trained to hit when it shouldnt?"

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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My A: "Are you familiar with the "Clever Hans Effect"? There's your answer. Right there.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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No implications there! I merely asked if this dog, Lex, was trained to hit when it shouldnt and your answer was the clever hans effect

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Nope! No implication at all. Totally unrelated and separate.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Never ever implied about this specific case. Never. LMMFAO! Dude, I cant make this #### up! Your stupidity is beyond the pale. It's ####ing incredible.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Whether or not a dog is trained to hit is separate but absolutely related.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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A 93% hit rate has nothing to do with this particular case, other than probability of a hit being much more likely. A 60% true positive rate has nothing to do with this particular case, but reflects on the dog.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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but the question directly asked if the dog was trained in this way. You most definitely implied that this dog was exhibiting this hans crap behavior. Until you decided that you didnt.

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The Hans Clever Effect could explain the high hit rate. With a 60% true positive rate, the dog is correct 6/10 times. This was one of those times. Big picture, it's wrong 4/10 times.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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How many of those wrong hits are because of the Hans Clever effect (the PO is signalling a hit)? How many correct hits were just the flip of the coin?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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"but the question directly asked if the dog was trained in this way. You most definitely implied that this dog was exhibiting this hans crap behavior." A 93% hit rate suggests it may be. The dog is still right 60% of

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Again, High hit rate as compared to what exactly? Whats the norm?Whats the normal false positive rate. All of a sudden you feel comfortable making conclusions without known factors. Missing data isnt that important now.

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the time. But the PO would still be right 50% of the time flipping a coin to determine if they have probable cause.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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It appears your issue isnt with this case, but rather with drug dogs in general. In this specific case the dog was on the money. They caught a bad guy and took him off the street. Lets move on from Lex.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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That dog is a better American than you. Let him live in peace.

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"Again, High hit rate as compared to what exactly?" Fair. Compared to all stops where K-9 is utilized. Prevalence of drug use is only 10%. I know k-9 isn't called on everyone, but

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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93% is nearly an automatic pretext to search. Which brings me to the main, big picture point:

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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So a hit rate of 10% or less would classify him as a more accurate drug dog to you? You must really be stupid, tired or high. Or all of the above.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"But the judges make clear their concern that dogs that almost always signal for drugs could potentially provide police with a "pretext" to search anyone's car."

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Just like "I smell marijuana" could be used as a pretext to search anyone's car.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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"So a hit rate of 10% or less would classify him as a more accurate drug dog to you?" That's not how stats work.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Should the dogs hit record be the determining factor?

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A true positive rate of more than 60% would classify him as a more accurate drug dog to me.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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If you go back to the Chicago Tribune, the true positive rate among Latino's was ~27%. That *may* be a sign that there might be some profiling/signalling going on.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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The 93% was from the field, correct? That means that of the times hes been used in the field, he's indicated positive 93% of the time, correct?

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"Should the dogs hit record be the determining factor?" Big picture Don't focus on how one dog does. Look at lots of dogs. i.e. the UC Davis study or the real-life data the Chicago Tribune found.

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"The 93% was from the field, correct? That means that of the times hes been used in the field, he's indicated positive 93% of the time, correct?" Yes. An he is only right ~60% of the time.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I could flip a coin and be right ~50% of the time.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Correct. 93% of the time he indicates and of those 60% drugs are recovered. The other 40% indicate no drugs were recovered. Not necessarily that they werent there, just that none were recovered.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The 93% isnt out of just random any car sniffs. He is only called when there is an indication that drugs MAY be present. So the 10% prevalence in hogwash.

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And if I flip a coin, 50% of the time drugs would be recovered. and 50% of the time no drugs would be recovered. Not necessarily that they weren't there, just none were recovered.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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The 60% is the # that should be focused on.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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According to the court, 60% is sufficient to establish the dog as credible. Apparently you dont agree. Nor do you really need to.

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"He is only called when there is an indication that drugs MAY be present. So the 10% prevalence in hogwash." Maybe. That's why you look at larger datasets with multiple dogs. Like Chicago.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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If I flipped a coin and 60% of the time it landed heads I would ALWAYS call heads.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"If I flipped a coin and 60% of the time it landed heads I would ALWAYS call heads." What if it was heads 27% of the time, would you still always call heads?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Bc that's what was happening in Chicago with Latino's (27% true positive) True positives were 44% overall.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Is 44% acceptable?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Maybe they were false negatives - residue or something else caused the hit. Or maybe there were contextual clues from the PO. From the UC-Davis Clever Hans study:

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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"There are cognitive factors affecting the interaction between a dog and a handler that can impact the dog’s performance,” "These might be as important — or even more important — than the sensitivity of a dog’s nose.”

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I dont know if finding ONE article with ONE bad number would classify as looking "at larger datasets". I would call it cherry picking. But even that you ####ed up. Blame your ignorance.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Is 44% acceptable?" Maybe. I can get better results by flipping a coin.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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The 93%, now explained, isnt as bad a number as you tried to make it out to be. Neither is the 60% you tried tohang your hat on. The 27% sounds bad. Id have to look deeper of course.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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might is a HUGE word. HUGE!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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" dont know if finding ONE article with ONE bad number would classify as looking "at larger datasets"." It is a larger data set than one dog. That pretty much meets the definition of a larger data set.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Maybe theres a little of both. I would never deny this hans crap. Im sure its a possibility. I dont think its as big as you would like it to be. But I cant say that with 100% certainty.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"I would call it cherry picking." Ok. Please find more robust data, then.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I dont think any court would accept a coin toss as a basis for probable cause. But would they accept 44%? And if so, 60% really aint that bad.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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44% from a dog

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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60%? Maybe. But it ain't that good, either. 44%? I could see a lawyer doing a coin flipping experiment...

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Now, what if the dog is actually very good, but the PO is giving cues to search people that the dog wouldn't signal for. What would happen to the true positive rate?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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well, the courts have ruled that a 43% detection rate was enough to establish probable cause.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I know you dont care what the courts say, but that works for me.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Dog detection is hardly an exact science. But it works. It helps take bad guys off the streets. The 40% false positives didnt go to jail. They were briefly inconvenienced. If thats their biggest problem, god bless them.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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This article also does this decision a disservice. It makes it appear as if the court held its nose to make the decision despite the horrendous k9 aspect. Thats not the case.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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While it does indicate a displeasure with training techniques it, at no point, identifies itself as an authority on k9 training practices.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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True. Maybe I'd like a threshold higher than a coinflip before being subjected to a warrentless search. Who needs the 4th amendment, anyways.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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"While it does indicate a displeasure with training techniques it, at no point, identifies itself as an authority on k9 training practices." True. It just says that the dogs are highly suggestible to contextual signals

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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not all searches require a warrant. The 4th amendment doesnt protect against warrantless searches but rather unreasonable searches and seizures without warrant.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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from their handlers to produce hits.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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The key word being "unreasonable" of course.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The courts have long provided exceptions to the 4th amendment warrant requirement basing the exceptions on what it considers reasonable. These have long withstood the tests of crime.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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the court says that the dogs are highly suggestible to contextual signal? I missed that part.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Correct. Unreasonable. Saying that "smelled marijuana" or "the dog signalled" makes it a reasonable search. But if those were either 1) a lie, or 2) cued..is that still reasonable? Is that misconduct?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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BTW, 60% is higher than a coinflip chance.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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IF IF IF

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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It would be misconduct if you could prove it. But you cant.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And I am ok with that.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I am just a shade lighter than DP, Also a big guy,very latin looking. I am very respectful when pulled over. I lower my windows,place both hands on the wheel,lower my radio. I've lived in the country and in the big city.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I've never had an officer smell MJ from my car. Never had "Lex" called on me. Never been disrespected or violated. I've gotten a few tickets. All deserved. But I've never been treated badly. Yet!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I don't tend to worry about false MJ whiffs or cued k9 hits.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Because of this I dont need to make up stupid #### like you do.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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That gives any LEO carte blanche to search any vehicle for any reason by using either of those justifications. I'm not ok with that.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I know there are bad cops out there. Bad doctors. Bad truck drivers. Bad burger flippers. But for the most part, they are good people. Doing their jobs. Fathers mothers sisters and brothers with plans and busy

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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schedules and bills and occasional family issues. Good time and bad times.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I expect as much perfection from them as I do anyone else. None at all.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Of course they are good people. But not above criticism.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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You dont have to be ok with it. You can be as angry as you want about it. That doesnt change the fact that its gonna happen. Until you can come up with a smell verification system.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Nobody is above criticism. Except for me. Im as close to perfect as youll ever meet.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Or just legalize it. That'd be the more sensible thing to do.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Criticism is one thing. unreasonable criticism is another. Some of you idiots get carried away. Sometimes its just to troll. Sometimes its appears genuine.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Legalize MJ?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Im all for that. But then they'll smell crack. It has a distinctive smell.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And where does that leave us? without a smell verification system.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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U smelt it, u dealt it?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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im convinced plc has narcissistic personality disorder.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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maybe not to a T but he is beyond sociopath, like bordering on psychopath. like pre-unabomber ted kaczynsky.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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like 1976 ted kaczynsky.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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Thank you dr arroyo for your analysis. Your wife is still fat and ugly and you're still a puny little punk. But if making these diagnosis make you feel like a somebody, knock yourself out kid. How's drayvon doing?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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LOL

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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https://vid.me/aPry

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I see why West Virginia is consistently dead last in the national happiness rankings. With idiots like you as residents, how could it not be? Then lookers like raven make it oh so not attractive to live there. Sucks!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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it doesn't happen to me. so if it happens to you, you probably did something wrong, was disrespectful, non compliant. except I wasn't, and there was no mj.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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if you just act like me this wouldn't happen to you. that is the problem. IT STILL HAPPENS. but black folks are just making it up, even though the statistics on stops and searches back up what they have been saying forever. even has a name.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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"driving while black" dwb

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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and it's not simply playing the odds as it's more likely they find drugs on white people.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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Is there a point in all this nonsense?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Everything with racer always turns to some gay sex act. Project much?" -PLC Are you suggesting that people who accuse others of being gay are actually homosexuals themselves?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Emerson, GA, USA

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Good topic. Too much to read now though. Let me sum it up and see how close I come. Way too many cops are abusing power and a danger to the public, but not all are bad. Plc vehemently defends all the police and may even be slightly offended at the

Arlington Heights @ over 2 years ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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suggestion that cops are a danger to the public. How'd I do?

Arlington Heights @ over 2 years ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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You're better than this. Read and see for yourself. I'm sorry I'm not a part of your "All Cops are Bad" group. I prefer the "There are some bad apples but most are honorable cops" group. I'm a 1 man group on VM.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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pretty good except cops only mess with blacks for some strange reason

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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@ Arlington - nail on the head

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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cops kill white kids all the time pink, this isn't about race.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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plc also thinks of an exchange of ideas as a fencing match where he can parry, and thrust, suggesting opinions don't have to be debated when hes losing and hammering them when hes winning on technicalities.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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and he did this really weird thing that he got mad at bhaven for when he said he didn't need to prove something from new York because he was from there.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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he said he didn't have provide proof of a statement he made because his favorite color is red. now hold on there I know that sounds stupid.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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see, we all come here with opinions and when we debate them we should be able to share how we arrived at a point, but when plc is getting his ass beat and he knows hes wrong he says he shouldn't have to.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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because its his opinion, and of no consequence (actually kind of right in his case) so he shouldn't have to provide proof that his favorite color is red.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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and this is hard to do because adult males don't have favorite colors, and say OMG and LOL like plc does, its really hard to do because we look like bullies trying to get a girl to prove her favorite color.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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now, lets pretend I was a 13 year old male who had the favorite color blue, I would have a bit more sense and be able to say blue is my favorite color because _______.

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but this is a silly discussion anyway because things like that are changed on a whim, because a favorite color is not the same as an opinion.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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PLC- "I know there are bad cops out there" "Sooooooo many good case of police misconduct." "There are enough real cases of police misconduct"

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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PLC- "how many times do I have to say that there ARE bad cops out there? They exist. WTF? Have I EVER said that there are no bad cops?"

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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PLC- "Bad cops exist. Its a horrible fact."

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I can see how that can be interpreted as "Plc vehemently defends all the police"

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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To idiots!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Quotas implemented by any police department is bad." -PLC "Bring me some proof that there is a quota system in place and we'll discuss." -PLC

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA 30039, USA

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You've been provided with ample proof...from testimony of officers...to audio recorded commanders...to emails and text messages. What would classify as proof to you?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lilburn, GA 30047, USA

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Your bias is too strong to allow you to have any semblance of a consideration that police are wrong...even after you admit that some cops are dirty.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lilburn, GA 30047, USA

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Your immediate reaction to any case involving alleged police misconduct is to vilify the victim, and defend the police.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA 30078, USA

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Even when there's clear video evidence of police wrongdoing, you refuse to acknowledge it. "Let's wait and see what as investigation discovers." Really?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA 30078, USA

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You can tell me your favorite color is red... ...but you'll withhold voicing an opinion about a video showing a cop gunning a man down?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA 30078, USA

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selective quoting is awesome, I like how you loved a police officer threatening a 20 year old with jail for nothing but veiled sarcasm. I believe you think he deserved it.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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oh I found this for you racer, you can finally go to church. http://wiat.com/2015/08/12/church-opens-gun-range-ministry-in-the-name-of-jesus-christ/

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUhRCsVSzYs I liked this one.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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https://youtu.be/UmICgCcSvbg I liked this one

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Are you aware of the controversy surrounding that video? http://www.ocalapost.com/major-controversy-after-police-pulled-over-a-firefighter/ That one is interesting.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Conyers, GA, USA

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Climate change guy,focus

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

North Royalton, OH, USA

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https://youtu.be/COsbqzYdzR4

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Smyrna, GA, USA

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http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/ehud-halevy/

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Smyrna, GA, USA

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/25/justice/new-york-police-beating-settlement/

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Smyrna, GA, USA

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Look at what happened to this guy. Physically beaten by the police and arrested for ASSAULT. After the video is released, all charges are dropped. In a civil lawsuit, the taxpayers pony up $100,000 for this clear act of police misconduct.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Smyrna, GA, USA

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Is the police officer held accountable? nope An internal investigation clears him of any wrongdoing. It's a fücking joke to these douchebags

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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What would have happened of the synagogue hadn't released the video? How frequently are these incidences occurring that aren't being videoed?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Smyrna, GA 30082, USA

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But PLC promised that they were being held accountable. Even more so than bad Americans (non-LEO or military).

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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If the average citizen (i.e. a bad American) were to do the same...what would happen to them? Cleared of wrongdoing? No jail time? Someone else pay the fine? Your argument is a joke, PLC...

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Be careful. Your bias is showing.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Cops are held accountable when wrong. Just as much, if not more than civilians.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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It's ignorant to think you know the whole story based on a video. But ignorant is what you are. Carry on.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Is your implication that there's a relevant piece of information that hasn't been released regarding this story that validated a police officer punching a man in the face, then beating him for several minutes?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30067, USA

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Do you have this information...or are you just assuming that the internal police investigation into their own employee was thorough and the cop did nothing wrong?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30067, USA

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Do you simply agree with the findings of any internal police investigations, regardless of indisputable evidence to the contrary?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30067, USA

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Have you disagreed with an internal police investigation that found a cop innocent of wrongdoing? If so, can you cite a specific example?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30067, USA

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Because if not...you certainly appear to be a devoted lapdog.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30067, USA

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In my opinion...of course.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30067, USA

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And the award for Most Ironic Statement Of The Day goes to... "your bias is showing" -PLC did you prepare a speech?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cumberland, Vinings, GA

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@PLC - is this guy a great American? https://youtu.be/u5nPyf-0UMc

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Northlake, Tucker, GA

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I wonder how PLC feels about Joe Crystal

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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He thinks whatever the #### he wants to ####ing think about Joe Crystal. ...and he happens to think that Joe Crystal is a great American savage.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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He's a punk and a thug who should be honored for his service and sacrifice.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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This hero learned a lesson about disrespecting the police. https://youtu.be/EHAnnsRmMG8

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

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You bitches are so angry. Why?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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^^ desperate to change the subject much?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Quoting you makes me angry?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Buford, GA 30519, USA

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@PLC - what is your opinion of Joe Crystal?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Buford, GA 30519, USA

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painting yourself into a corner must really suck

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Buford, GA 30519, USA

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Skal, is that what you're trying with your "you mad brah" posts? LOL! I can totally understand why. But I'm honestly asking. Why are you fools so angry? Really.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Racer, why does quoting me make you angry?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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^^ still desperately changing the subject

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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PLC Tactical is waiting for the paint to dry before he makes his escape.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

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I don't understand. If most cops are good, and there's only a few bad apples...wouldn't it be easy for the majority god cops to report the minority bad cops without fear of reprisal?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Buford, GA 30519, USA

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I mean...if whistleblower cops are retaliated against by fellow officers and commanders...that would mean that police corruption is, in fact, systemic.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Buford, GA 30519, USA

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so... @PLC - what do you think about Joe Crystal?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Buford, GA 30519, USA

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https://youtu.be/7JozUx5EpZU

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA 30043, USA

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WTF? Do you 2 speak the English language?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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^^still desperately changing the subject

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Who the #### is Joe and why should I care?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What subject am I changing? You really are an idiot.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You idiots know exactly how I feel. Why don't you try to present a true case of police brutality? All this nonsense you've posted is weak as hell. Clever Hans? Really? And you wonder why I call you an idiot? LMAO!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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yes... ...but what's your opinion of Joe Crystal?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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[repeat] who the #### is Joe and why should I care?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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[repeat]^^still desperately avoiding the subject

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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We're all well aware of your favorite color. But what's your opinion of Joe Crystal? (see any of the recent links posted for info)

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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oh, the ignorance! smh even though it'll deprive you of good research, I'll help you out here's Joe Crystal https://youtu.be/fkJUVrNrV5Q

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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what's your opinion of this person? You ARE capable of forming opinions on issues more complex than primary colors...aren't you?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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ROFLMAOLAPLCDATTFOHHGGOOTO!!!

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I like yo do a little more research than a YouTube video provided by an idiot with an agenda on an anonymous site.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'll try to look into it as time permits. My life is a little busy. So just sit there and wait kid. I'll get to you when I get to you.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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That's funny. You had no problem immediately forming an opinion and commenting on the YouTube video with Miami Beach cop Kenneth Macleod teaching some respect to the kid who told him "God Bless You".

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Suddenly a video isn't enough for you to form an opinion. That's interesting.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Even though I know you strictly insist that each user do his own research, I'll throw you another bone. http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/det-frank-serpico-to-det-joe-crystal-nothing-has-changed-in-police-work/2015/05/19

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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You can trust the source. The author is a great American. "a United States Army Military Police Veteran, former law enforcement officer, criminal investigator and private sector security and investigations management professional."

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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You really are stupid. The great video of the Miami Police officer putting the punk in his place was a single incident. Any research into that incident would be quick.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Here we have a much more convoluted situation. Allegations of incidents in the past. The legal proceedings. Just a lot more to look into. It's a shame that I even have to explain this to you.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You look at a video see what you like and run with it. That's usual for idiots.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And thanks for the link to that guys opinion. I'm sure you found it quite useful. I just wish he didn't have an axe to grind. You're a baffoon.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Did you do any research into the Miami Beach incident?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Did you read what I posted about that? Should I type slower for you? Maybe a different language? Caps? What does it take for you to understand the words in front t of you?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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This is great entertainment for moi. Watching you guys make complete fools of yourselves is hilarious. Typical low intelligence voters in this country.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"The great video of the Miami Police officer putting the punk in his place was a single incident. Any research into that incident would be quick." -PLC "Did you do any research into the Miami Beach incident?" - Racer X "..." -PLC

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Did you do any research into the Miami cop incident? It should have been quick...as you've stated.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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also...what's your opinion of Joe Crystal?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I guess Crystal likes cheese, according to the other Baltimore cops.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Racer didn't like my answer. LOL

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What answer?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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"The great video of the Miami Police officer putting the punk in his place was a single incident. Any research into that incident would be quick." -PLC "Did you do any research into the Miami Beach incident?" -Racer

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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"Did you read what I posted about that? Should I type slower for you? Maybe a different language? Caps? What does it take for you to understand the words in front t of you?" -PLC

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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What did you answer?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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also...what's your opinion of Joe Crystal?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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also...what's your opinion of Joe Crystal? Racer X @ 29 minutes ago Winder, GA 30680, USA

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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chicken####ery...once again. at it's finest. you know, it's much less about people disagreeing with you. people disagree. your chicken####ery is annoying though.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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why not just answer the question?

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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you did not answer.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Iowa City, IA, USA

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What question did I not answer?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Did you do any research into the Miami Beach incident?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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also...what's your opinion of Joe Crystal?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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"I'll try to look into it as time permits. My life is a little busy. So just sit there and wait kid. I'll get to you when I get to you. "

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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^ that answer?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The Miami incident didn't require research. But I did. Did you? If so what did you find?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Yes. I found that the police officer would have had no valid reason for arresting the kid, as you incorrectly stated.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I found that an obstructed tag is not an arrestable offense in the jurisdiction in which the incident occurred.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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My research showed that you were incorrect. I asked you about your statement, and you refused to answer my questions on that thread...just like you're doing now on this thread.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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My research allowed me to make you look like a fool and a coward.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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It was great. I really enjoyed it.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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What did you find with YOUR research into the Miami Beach incident ?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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also...what's your opinion of Joe Crystal?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I also discovered that the Officer in the Miami Beach incident had violated the Florida Department of Law Enforcement Code of Ethics with his behavior.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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My research revealed that an Internal Affairs investigation had been launched into the incident.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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I found that the findings of the investigation haven't been made publicly available, 10 months after being launched.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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My repeated calls to the Miami Beach Records Divison and Internal Affairs Department, in an effort to find out the status of the Internal Affairs investigation, haven't been returned.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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My research reinforced my belief that there is little accountability for police misconduct.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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What did you find in the course of YOUR research into the Miami Beach incident?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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also...what's your opinion of Joe Crystal?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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re the OP, I think being a cop is incredibly dangerous. Even a traffic stop for speeding can be legal, the cop never knows. If you are stopped, you should always keep your hands visible and move slowly. Put yourself in their shoes...they don't

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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know you or your motives and everyone is potentially armed. There are, of course, dirty cops. I am confident it appears to be more of a problem than it actually is because of course you hear all of the bad stuff from all over. No excuse for it...

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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And since they are in a position of power, it's worse than another citizen doing bad stuff of course. The body cam thing is a great idea because it protects everybody. Cops get accused of using excessive force etc. all the time, and taxpayers foot

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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the bill for frivolous lawsuits brought against the police, who must mount a defense. Body cams alleviate a lot of that. And they work to protect citizens from dirty cops too. Win, win.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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A cop lives up the street from me, and she is wonderful. She knows all the teenagers around the neighborhood by name, which makes me feel like she's got a handle on things. Vandalism and shoplifting is what constitutes most of the criminal activity

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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around here, and of course kids do most of those crimes. Drugs are probably a distant 3rd, kids smoke pot in the park down the street etc. but that's about it.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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bullshįt, the only good cop is a dead cop. . just ask adam, Skål. ..... .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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hey evil, did you drive down to Iowa & offer the future convict your services (pro bono, of course)? . I figure she's going to need your help, soon. .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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wanting better accountability =/= wanting dead cops. I know nuance isn't your strong suit.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Skal, your posts tend to reflect your posting that ALL cops are bad, guilty until proven innocent, criminal is to be believed over cop.... . hence my grounds for linking you to preferring no cops, dead cops .. .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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hold both sides to the standard of accountability. .. you won't and can't. .. . you still believe.. hands up don't shoot. .. proven LIE . I can't breath,,... you're a doc,,, can you talk with your air cut off? .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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wanting better accountability =/= all cops are bad cops I know nuance isn't your strong suit.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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If you were to go find a kid and sit on their chest, at first they'd be able to say they couldn't breath. But they couldn't take a breath in. Or at least deep enough one. They run out of air quickly.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Same with an adult with several people putting their weight on them. And then when you can't breath, you struggle to get them off you. Which leads to more weight being applied. Not rocket surgery.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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the irony that he was selling smokes is killing me

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Middleburg Heights, OH, USA

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My posts tend to reflect that there are *some* cops who are bad *and* the system allows them to continue to be bad. Joe Crystal is a good example of what happens to whistleblowers when one of the good cops speaks out.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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What we're seeing now with the increasing scrutiny is a consequence of doing a poor job of internal policing. body/dash cam videos not matching official incident reports is only a symptom.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I think that it was tragic that the cop in Birmingham was beaten and pistol-whipped over the weekend. If he was wearing a body cam, there'd be evidence to justify a use of force in that situation.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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you know you cheered, just like the group who stood & watched. . you'd have been screaming for that cops head, if he'd had fired. (see darren Wilson ) .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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you know you've posted zero interest in the officer being correct or justified. . you can't even admit when they've been cleared, you look for an excuse to hate. . at least adam can admit it ?

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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you're delusional. asking for better accountability and pointing out past failures isn't an extreme position

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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you have proof to back up those claims?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Joe crystal is "1" voice, supporting evidence? . delusional? show us differently, you've continously lumped them in one pot. . where have you ever said "some"? "few"?, .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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choke hold, remember? . can he talk? . choke hold, no air..... fųck no . .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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From this very thread: "Of course they are good people. But not above criticism." Read up a few lines for context, which directly refutes your claim.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Crystal is 1 voice. the way he was treated by his colleagues as a whistleblower *may* be why there aren't other voices unemployable now

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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I'll repeat what I said to PLC: "When did I ever say I wanted cops to be bad? Never. Perhaps most people just want accountability. And maybe a little bit less of the warrior mentality."

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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in your own words, grouped together as 1. . your words .... even good cops are to be criticized. ... . .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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accountability is one thing . but your guilty until proven innocent is another. . . did Michael brown deserve to be shot? .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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yes

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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yes

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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I don't think anybody should be above criticism. even good cops I know.. that's such an extreme position

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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and yes, that includes Obama. especially Obama.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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wow, you actually admit an unarmed gentle giant deserved getting killed? . NO ONE, is above criticism, but somehow I can't give a thief, killer, wife beater the edge over the cop. .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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we do agree on the demilitarization of police forces. . better training & pay might get better cops.. But than again, why would you want to be a cop? .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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"why would you want to be a cop" wtf does that mean?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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low pay fųcked up hrs chance to getting physically fűcked up daily (or killed) minimal appreciation ...... sounds like a Vietnam vet .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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btw, don't let bmoron know you think it's okay to criticize obama the messiah .

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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You're arguing against a Strawman argument. The person who said "the only good cop is a dead cop" is you.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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All that's been asked for is more accountability. Which has been shown to be lacking.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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You agree with the demilitarization of the police. You agree with better training for the police. You agree with body cameras for the police. What's the problem?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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PLC cries himself to sleep when you bring up logical fallacies. Hopefully H2O won't do the same.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Everything to you is a logical fallacy cause you're an idiot.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And Im pretty sure Racer said he only likes dead cops.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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or your arguments just suck

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Here, this may help you out: https://bookofbadarguments.com

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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To you, everything is an argument. Not to me. I wonder if your personal insecurities play a role in this. You have a need to be "right". Even when there is no "right" or "wrong".

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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@PLC - I said that in response to your admission that you enjoy the taste of cöck.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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also...what's your opinion of Joe Crystal?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I'm sure I told you to sit there and wait till I get back to you.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What kind of person responds to every conversation with reference to a gay sex act?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Please suppress your fantasies

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Are you suggesting that people who accuse others of being gay secretly fantasize about homosexual acts themselves?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA 30045, USA

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also...what's your opinion of Joe Crystal?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA 30045, USA

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I am not suggesting that. Why would you say such a thing?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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My question was directed at your comment. So, now your position is that an accusation of another person being doesn't necessarily make the accuser themselves gay?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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also...what's your opinion of Joe Crystal?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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There's a difference between an accusation and constantly referring to gay sex acts. Everyone knows that Racer loves to talk about men blowing men. That seems to be your thing. It's a little weird to me.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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To each his own. I think you're just expressing your fantasies. You happen to love to talk about the taste of ####. Projecting it onto others.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I've never started a dedicated to accusing someone of engaging in homosexual activity. That would be the act of someone who is dedicated to the cause.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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That sounds like the textbook definition of projecting. Claiming that you could prove something someone else said...that never was actually said.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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What kind of sociopath does that? It makes you look like a complete douche and destroys your credibility. That kind of dïckhead is universally despised.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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also...what's your opinion of Joe Crystal?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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http://yodamap.com/posts/67371

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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"Be careful what you say. Your words will come back to haunt you." --Proud Latin Moderate Your quote. Taken directly from your cöck craving mouth.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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An accusation is one thing, constantly bringing it up another. You like to talk about men sucking dick. It's who you are. Own it.

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There you go again. You are who you are.

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By your own logic...that means you're a punk bïtch...and an idiot. Right?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Own it bitch. Own it. You like to fantasize about men sucking dick. But it might be best if you kept it to yourself. We don't want to hear about it.

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Also...what's your opinion of Joe Crystal?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Calling you an idiot, punk and bitch are factual statements. Apples and oranges.

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are you sure you aren't inexorable?

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I'd rather be him than you. How's drayvon?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The whole joe crystal situation is an example of what I've been saying all along. Police are held accountable when wrong. Just as much, if not more than the general public.

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How exactly does a cop being encouraged by his commanders to NOT report wrongdoing, having to go outside of his department in order to do so, then being threatened and reprimanded by his entire department after doing the right thing...

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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...prove that most cops are good?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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That story directly contradicts your notion that only a few cops are bad, and when they are...they're held accountable.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Tucker, GA, USA

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so Crystal was widely heralded for his good deed and lived happily ever after? or are you conveniently leaving out a *huge* part of the story?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Also...you never gave you opinion of Joe Crystal himself. What do you think of him? Is he a great American?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Tucker, GA, USA

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The Joe Crystal story is evidence of systemic police corruption and lack of accountability.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Tucker, GA, USA

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a cop beat up a savage with help from a supervisor. Both the cop and the supervisor were convicted and are no longer cops. That doesnt make you happy? WTF

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Racer, I really wish you knew how to read. You make yourself look like an idiot when you credit me with saying things I didnt say.

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There are no heroes or victims in this story.

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A good cop who dutifully reports wrongdoing despite the threat of retribution from other cops is NOT a hero? interesting

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Brookhaven, GA, USA

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A citizen who was arrested, handcuffed, and THEN beaten is not a victim? interesting

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

North Druid Hills, GA, USA

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And you have the audacity to protest being called a bootlicker. That's the most interesting part of all.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

North Druid Hills, GA, USA

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You STILL haven't given your opinion of Joe Crystal.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

North Druid Hills, GA, USA

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no heroes. no victims. You don't like my opinion, do you? Shocking. Now ask me if I care? Go ahead. Ask.

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I don't know joe crystal. I've never met him not do I know anyone who has. I wouldn't be able to give you an opinion of a man I've never met.

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I CAN give you my opinion on the situation as I understand it.

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Why did he quit?

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He knew what he was getting himself into. Why did he quit?

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I can't imagine how he thought being a rat was going to enhance his career.

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He knowingly placed himself and his family in harm. For what?

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As for the drug dealer, #### him. Zero pity for criminals. Zero ####s to give.

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"I wouldn't be able to give you an opinion of a man I've never met." -PLC This is why you're a joke. You give you opinion incessantly about people you've never met. That's all you do.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA, USA

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The fact that you can't imagine how a police officer reporting a crime would enhance his career...is explicit evidence of the culture of corruption that exists within our police department. Thank you.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA, USA

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The fact that you acknowledge that a good cop testifying against bad cops places himself and his family in harm...is explicit evidence of the culture of corruption that exists within our police department. Thank you.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Smyrna, GA, USA

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If other cops can't even be protected from dirty cops...why the hell would you expect the general public to feel protected from them?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Smyrna, GA, USA

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Your own statements are my best argument that police corruption is widespread.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Smyrna, GA, USA

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thank you

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Smyrna, GA, USA

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"I can't imagine how he thought being a rat was going to enhance his career." Some would call it "being a rat". Others would call it being a good cop. Maybe Reddit Hudson's 15%-70%-15% wasn't too far off, huh?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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If you want to believe it, that's on you. This is about 2 (two) officers who did something wrong and were dealt with. If you want to lump in as many as 85% of cops with them, knock yourself out.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Just don't complain when H2O or I call you a cop hater.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Maybe they should fire the "entire" department and hire you two idiots! LMAO!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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2 cops did a bad thing and were prosecuted. That's not enough.

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Several cops didn't like what he did and made their displeasure known. I wouldn't call them corrupt. But you would and do. Because you hate cops.

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Several cops doesn't equal the entire department. Unless you're some dude from Georgia who declares it so.

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There are bad cops and they are dealt with. This case proves that. You want to indict an entire department based on the opinions of a few.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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He did why he felt was right. Why did he quit?

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Racer, I can't give you a personal opinion on him. He might be a great guy. He might be an #### like you. IDK. IDC. The savage drug dealer may be a great guy. IDK. IDC.

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The savage is a savage because he's a drug dealer. I've met some drug dealers that are really nice guys. Doesn't make them any less a savage for doing what they do.

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Crystal could be a nice guy. A rookie who thought he could save the world. And ended up screwing himself. No pity.

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What did he do? Is BPD a better or worse department because of him?

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2 cops did wrong and are no longer cops. One even did time in jail. Never enough. I'm sure you want them executed. But keep telling us how you don't dislike cops.

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Why did he quit?

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Meanwhile, that was one of over 62 million police encounters that year. I can see how it's fair to condemn the vast majority of cops based on this. LOL

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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that's how rednecks judge Africans

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Hudson, OH, USA

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http://demotropolis.org/tag/marinos-gialamas/

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Smyrna, GA, USA

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"With all this cop hate, I wonder why none of you decided to take the job. Do it correctly. You may not fix the whole profession but you'll provide the service you think is appropriate to those you encounter" -PLC

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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"Some of you are still young enough to do so. Take on a worthwhile task. Maybe you'll rise in ranks and be in a position to positively impact more." -PLC

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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That's exactly what Joe Crystal tried to do. Both his parents were NY cops. All he ever wanted to do was be a cop. A good one.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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During his tenure at Baltimore PD, Detective Crystal was a Class Commander at the police academy, and received a Police Commissioner’s Award for his leadership skills. He was promoted to Detective a year after graduating from the Academy.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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He is exactly what a good cop should be. He embodied the concept of honesty and integrity. Unfortunately, that doesn't take you far in a corrupt police department.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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But I don't have to tell you. You already know.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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"Or you may actually learn that your ideas are stupid and so are you. You may realize just how unrealistic and unreasonable your thoughts on proper policing are." -PLC

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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Joe Crystal found out the hard way how unrealistic and unreasonable his thoughts on proper policing were.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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He thought he was supposed to uphold the law and arrest criminals. Stupid idiot.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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Let me ask you something... ...the 2 cops who Joe Crystal "ratted on"... ...are they savages?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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Were they formerly great Americans? Precisely when did the transformation occur? The instant they struck a handcuffed suspect? The instant the verdict was read?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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If they'd appealed and won...would their great American status be returned to them?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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Was he fired?

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He wasn't. You already know that. He quit. Why?

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Joe Crystal resigned from the Baltimore Police Department due to his mistreatment at the hands of commanding officers. Did you do any research on this topic?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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It'd be a shame for you to get embarrassed again.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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Are the police officers who beat the handcuffed suspect savages?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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"The savage is a savage because he's a drug dealer." -PLC Are the cops who beat the drug dealer savages?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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He quit because of the mistreatment by his commanding officers or because some cops didnt like what he did?

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How did his commanding officers mistreat him?

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I have no pity for him. The officers who were convicted are savages. They abused their authority and did a disservice to the police department and their community. They should never be allowed to be police officers again

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I dont consider crystal a savage or a hero. Nor a victim.

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Just a guy who bit off more than he could chew.

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So what would you consider a solution to what you see as a problem? Fire any cop who called him a rat? Fire any supervisor who knew about it? Sensitivity training? What would you consider a win?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Were the police officers beat the handcuffed suspect great Americans before they became savages? I'm trying to figure out how this works in your head.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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Please dont try to figure out how anything works in anyone elses head. Concentrate on your own idiotic thoughts.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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So what would you consider a solution to what you see as a problem? Fire any cop who called him a rat? Fire any supervisor who knew about it? Sensitivity training? What would you consider a win?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You should probably read this before you comment further. http://demotropolis.org/tag/marinos-gialamas/

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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It may save you some embarrassment later.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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It's your idiotic thoughts that currently intrigue me. Were the cops great Americans before the beating incident?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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When does the transition from great American to savage occur? Is it gradual...beginning with the allegations? Or is it instantaneous, at the moment the verdict is delivered?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Marietta, GA 30060, USA

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My idiotic thoughts intrigue you but yours don't?

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Dude, I dont know nor do I give a #### about if these guys are great americans or not or savages or whatever. This is just plain stupid. You're looking for a gotcha moment with these stupid questions.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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From what ive seen on my several years here on VM, I wouldnt consider you a savage but I also wouldnt consider you a great anything. Just a nobody with a phone and an opinion.

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It doesnt appear youve ever done anything for this great country but youre quick to jump on those who have and do.

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Including these cops. They did something stupid and paid for it. Period. Quit the nonsense of trying to figure out whats in my head.

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You asked me my opinion and I gave it to you. Done. Agree with it or not. I couldnt give two ####s either way.

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If you want to prop crystal up as some god, knock yourself out. If you want to use this one incident as an indictment on 800 thousand people, do it. I really dont give a ####.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Your own thoughts and opinions are intriguingly contradictory.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cumberland, Vinings, GA

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Whatever you or I think about this or any situation is completely irrelevant in the big picture. Stop trying to find something in some weak effort to one up somebody. Its ####ing stupid.

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Make your judgements however you wish I dont care. I wont analyze your thought process. Wanna know why? Cause I really dont care. Honestly.

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Give me your opinions and I will respect them for being just that. Your opinions. You are way to insecure in yourself to be able to do the same.

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####ing stupid.

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Police are great Americans who should be honored for their service and sacrifice. There's little police misconduct and corruption, and cops are held accountable when it's discovered. Systemic police corruption doesn't exist.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cumberland, Vinings, GA

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My thoughts and opinions only contradict your thoughts and opinions. And I dont care. Apparently you do.

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...but somehow... The good cop who reports wrongdoing within his department should expect that his actions will put him and his family in harm.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cumberland, Vinings, GA

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He is a rat for upholding his oath, and performing his duty with integrity. He should expect to be alienated from his colleagues for upholding the law.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Sandy Springs, GA, USA

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The formerly great American police officers who beat the drug dealer are now savages. ...and you're incapable of forming an opinion of the police officer who acted with integrity.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Sandy Springs, GA, USA

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Intriguing!

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Sandy Springs, GA, USA

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Intriguing indeed.

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If the officer who behaves with integrity is bothered by his commanding officers stripping his security clearance, ordering him to forge official documents, transferring him repeatedly and giving him ambiguous and contradictory assignments...

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

North Brookhaven, Brookhaven, GA

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...he's just being overly sensitive.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

North Brookhaven, Brookhaven, GA

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You're a strange little man, PLC.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

North Brookhaven, Brookhaven, GA

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Police Officers are great Americans who SHOULD be honored for their service and sacrifices. But. BUT! there are exceptions to everything. Nothing is absolute. There ARE POs who disgrace the good work of others.

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These are only a few. A minority. A small number. But they DO exist.

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I enjoy watching your reaction when your beliefs are proven to be wrong. It's intriguing.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Doraville, GA, USA

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Thank you for your insight...or lack thereof.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Doraville, GA, USA

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Wait just a cotton picking minute here, pal! Your previous comment suggests that police aren't BY DEFAULT great Americans.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Tucker, GA, USA

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You honestly think you've proven my opinion "wrong". That I find intriguing.

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It tells me a lot about you. I feel bad that you're like this. I wonder if it's upbringing. Nature vs nurture.

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That would imply that police should be objectively scrutinized based on their individual actions...with no preferential bias.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Tucker, GA 30084, USA

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But at the end of the day, I really dont care what some dude from georgia thinks. Nor does anyone else. The beauty of your insignificance.

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If that's the case, then accusations against police are no different than accusations against everyday citizens. That police aren't, in fact, above the law.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Clarkston, GA 30021, USA

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Actually...because of their sworn duty and civic responsibility...the actions of police should be scrutinized EVEN CLOSER that the average citizen.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Clarkston, GA 30021, USA

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Any misconduct on the part of police should be swiftly and thoroughly exposed and harshly dealt with... ...and whistleblowers should be recognized and awarded for their deeds!

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Clarkston, GA 30021, USA

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If what you say is true, then the minority, small number of corrupt police will quickly be dealt with by the majority good cops with no fear of repercussions on the part of whistleblowers. Right?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Then why does the exact opposite occur? Actual real life events make appear that good cops who report corruption aren't welcome within the ranks. that they're actually...the minority

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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In fact...your own comments regarding the honest cop being a rat who should fear for his family's safety...expose the truth. There is a systemic culture of corruption within the ranks of our police department.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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You're not very good at this are you?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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"your own comments regarding the honest cop being a rat who should fear for his family's safety"vs "He knowingly placed himself and his family in harm"

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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No. I'm not very good at lies. I like honesty. You should try it.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Misconduct by police is dealt with. They are held accountable. This case proves that. Whether or not "whistleblowers" should be "recognized and awarded" is something different. Arent they "just doing their jobs"?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Should every police officer be "recognized and rewarded" for simply doing their jobs? I dont know.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Actual real life events? You based your judgment of your exaggerated view of one event? OK! Thats how you roll. Cant say Im surprised.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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crystal knew that this could go bad for him. He went on anyway. He didn't see a crime occur. He reported what he thought happened. I find that interesting. No pity.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You say corruption is only a minority of cops. If that's the case...why would You make these comments? It's contradictory.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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"I can't imagine how he thought being a rat was going to enhance his career." -PLC why would it hurt the career of a Police officer to report a crime? Because there's systemic corruption.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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"He knowingly placed himself and his family in harm." -PLC He should know that doing his job with integrity would harm his family? Why? Because of the systemic corruption

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Your statements are my best argument. Your offhand remarks acknowledge the existence of systemic corruption with the ranks of the police department.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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"He didn't see a crime occur. He reported what he thought happened." -PLC Exactly what the fu(k is that supposed to mean?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Are you suggesting that police shouldn't report incidences when they believe a crime has occurred? ...or that no crime actually occurred?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Both implications are equally retarded...but I'd like to see which angle you're gonna approach this from.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Man, I love watching you squirm.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Particularly when your own words are the cause of your pain. It's no wonder you're always so hesitant to answer direct questions and try to constantly deflect questions with nonanswers and more questions.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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You're REALLY bad at this.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Saying he knowing place his family in harm and saying he should fear for his family's safety are 2 different things. He knowingly did because he was told that would happen.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Corruption is only a minority of cops. Why would i make what statements? What is contradictory?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What was he told would happen?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpRsS2WPlUI

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What crime did he observe?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"There ARE POs who disgrace the good work of others. These are only a few. A minority. A small number." -PLC "I can't imagine how he thought being a rat was going to enhance his career." -PLC

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Those 2 statements are CONTRADICTORY.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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"What crime did he observe?" -PLC Are you going full retard on me? Is it your assertion that no crime occurred?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Sgt. Amador warned Det. Crystal that if Crystal went to Internal Affairs about this issue, he would be labeled a snitch and it would be the end of his career.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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...or you just doing your PLC Tactical routine of nonanswering questions with stupid questions? I don't blame you for not answering. This won't end well for you.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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If I was your attorney...I'd advise you to exercise your 5th Amendment right to remain silent.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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The 2 statements are contradictory? One states that there are a few bad officers and the other states that being a rat wont enhance your career. Contradictory? Both are factual.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What crime did he observe?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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My question is SO simple that even an idiot like you can answer.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You're really bad at all of these police related threads. I have no idea why you've chosen this particular subject to be your schtick. You may wanna consider changing to something you're more suited to.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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What crime did he observe? Not what crime occured or what crime didnt occur. What crime did Det Crystal observe? With his eyes. Would you like the definition of observe? Are you that stupid?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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...maybe something like "Dead Languages"

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Youre tipping into DP stupid here. What crime did Det Crystal observe?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The only one not answering the questions here is you.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Sgt. Amador warned Det. Crystal that if Crystal went to Internal Affairs about this issue, he would be labeled a snitch and it would be the end of his career." -PLC EXACTLY!!!!!

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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What.....Crime...Did...He...Observe???

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Dude, you really are stupid.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Start answering some questions.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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WHY would "snitching" on another cop committing a crime be the end of his career? Because of the systemic corruption that exists within the police department. That's exactly the point.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Thank you for making it so eloquently.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Question up there! Read and reply please.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Should I ask it again? In a dead language for you?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Hello! Anybody home?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Anyone?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Hello!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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http://demotropolis.org/tag/marinos-gialamas/ You really should read this.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Τι έγκλημα έκανε παρατηρούμε

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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hvað glæpur gerði hann virða ?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Crystal was present when Green was being delivered back to the scene. He saw that Green’s shirt was not torn before being taken back into the house."

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Soooooo, you're just NOT going to answer. Again. Sheesh! Typical georgia idiot bull####.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Crystal saw, when Green emerged, that he had been roughed up and that his shirt had been torn after being taken in, and before exiting the house."

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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waxa dembi buu u dhawrtaan ?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You do realize that Joe Crystal was a Detective...right?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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וואָס פאַרברעכן האט ער אָבסערווירן ?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You do realize that you are incapable of answering a simple question, right?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The actual crimes committed inside the residence were abuse of authority and aggravated assault & battery on Green by Williams and Gialamas.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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ສິ່ງທີ່ ອາຊະຍາກໍາ ເຂົາບໍ່ ໄດ້ສັງເກດເຫັນ ?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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ինչ է հանցագործություն նա դիտարկել .

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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LMAO! Your non answer is AWESOME!!!!!!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Had i asked, "what crimes were committed inside the residence?", your answer would have been spot on. Unfortunately for you, that wasnt my question.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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He didn't observe the crime firsthand. How is that in any way relevant?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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It's ok. You utter refusal to answer a simple question tells me all I need to know. You're not interested in the truth or an honest discussion. You're interested in trying to get a win. U r sad pathetic & insignificant

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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That must suck.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Are you suggesting that no crime occurred? Or...are you now suggesting that crimes don't matter unless witnessed firsthand?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Are you suggesting that Detectives shouldn't report crimes that they believe have occurred?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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What's the relevance of the fact that the Detective didn't directly observe the crime being committed?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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You do realize that everyone can still see you...even when you close your eyes...right?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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I am not suggesting that no crime occurred. You should really work on your reading skills. I Have not suggested a few of the things youve accused me of. But when your point is weak, you do what you must.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What was the purpose of the irrelevant question you were so emphatic about? ...was it just posed in an desperate effort to deflect from the fact that you're losing this debate?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Detective Joe Crystal didn't directly observe the officers assaulting the suspect. So?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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ok. I'm done. Got work to do. Have a great day. The great men and women who have sworn to protect you are out there. Thank them. Especially since youre too much of a coward to do it yourself.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Again, this isnt a debate. But when you are in desperate need for wins in life you look for what you think you can get.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Are you suggesting that a cop shouldn't report a suspected crime by another officer unless he observes the crime being committed?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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And you got none today. Or yesterday. Or ever actually.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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you're leaving? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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The cops who did this are still not cops but free to live their lives. The savage is still being a savage. The rat is working. And you're still as insignificant as ever. A dude from georgia. with an opinion and a phone.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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adiós bítchacho!

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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I actually have work to do. Wait until you grow up. It's not as easy as you see it on youtube.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Adios assholio!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"He didn't see a crime occur. He reported what he thought happened." -PLC Turns out what he thought happened is EXACTLY what happened.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Reporting a crime is only bad for the cop...if his department is corrupt. ...which directly refutes your assertion that only a minority of cops are bad.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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so the majority of cops are bad?

H2O @ over 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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I think a minority actively engage in misconduct. The majority are willing to look the other way and allow it to happen...or actively harass a good cop who "rats" on them.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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I'm sure you perceive yourself to be a "good man". What are you doing to rectify what you perceive to be a problem?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'm doing it. Bring awareness to what I perceive to be the problem, and call for change.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Specifically: Better training for police (stop the shoot first mentality) Body cameras on all patrol officers. GPS in every patrol and arrest vehicle. Demilitarization of the force. Only SWAT needs the big stuff.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Finally...patrol police should be encouraged to be more involved within the communities that they patrol. As former Baltimore Sgt. Michael Wood explained...it's easier to abuse people with whom you don't identify or see as human.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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The good news is that the prevalence of phone cameras is bringing police misconduct to light. It can no longer be hidden and falsified away behind the thin blue line. Change is coming.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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As far as me being a "good man"... ...no. I'm just an åsshole. but you knew that...didn't you?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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So you're not doing anything Great

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Talking about it. On a phone app. With a dozen users Awesome.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Awareness and a call for change. LMAO

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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yep. that's it

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Monroe, GA 30656, USA

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now that you're back from your hiatus... you can get back to grilling me with your hardline questions

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Monroe, GA 30656, USA

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I'm sure you just about to make a deathblow proving your point inn regards to the fact Joe Crystal didn't directly observe a crime.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Monroe, GA 30656, USA

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Here's your chance, Matlock. Let me have it.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Monroe, GA 30656, USA

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You DID have a point...and weren't just desperately trying to deflect...didn't you?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Monroe, GA 30656, USA

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A hiatus? Grilling? Get a grip.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/25/us/cleveland-police-verdict-up-to-speed/

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/philly/news&id=303756981&

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/officers-acquitted-in-death-of-kelly-thomas/2014/01/14/3e660b24-7d24-11e3-95c6-0a7aa80874bc_story.html

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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so...you got nothing. okay

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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Yup. Nothing.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I get tired of having to ask the same question over and over again. Having to resort to different languages.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"it's easier to abuse people with whom you don't see or identify as human" I think the technical term for that is "savage"

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Crime has nothing to do with it. LOL

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Are you implying that I don't see or identify with these people so I call them savages? Criminal activity has little to do with it?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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yes. that's exactly what I'm saying.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Acworth, GA 30102, USA

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when you stop seeing citizens as savages, and start to realize they're human...it'll reduce your eagerness to treat them inhumanely

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Acworth, GA 30102, USA

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glad you admit that you had no point with your ridiculous question

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cartersville, GA 30121, USA

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it was a poor attempted deflection

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cartersville, GA 30121, USA

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LMAO! Then why were you so afraid to answer? Tells me a lot.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'm glad you're willing to answer questions that you're not asked.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Is that the trick?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Ask someone else and you'll answer?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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People who have no respect for themselves, society or societies rules, shouldn't expect respect.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I was typing my comments while you were hyperventilating. As soon as I saw your question, I answered it...directly.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cartersville, GA 30121, USA

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Now you have your answer. Did you have a point? ...or were you simply deflecting from the åss stomping you were...and are still...receiving?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cartersville, GA 30121, USA

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Stomping? Were you able to change my opinion on ANYTHING? Were you able to prove any of my opinions wrong? Ever? I'll tell you. No. Never. You're just too stupid to think you're capable. You think it's a competition.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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So a dude from Georgia thinks that cops should work closer with minority communities in order to "humanize" them. Something you think a minority is incapable of. As I laugh. At you.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Oh mr white man from Georgia please tell me how to better understand the minority neighborhoods that I grew up in and still work in.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Maybe mr white dude from Minnesota will help you.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'm sure both of you suburban white dudes understand it better then I or the police who patrol it daily. You've read huffpo. You're Google smart. You get it. You're hip.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Humanizing works both ways.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Bradley County, TN

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"it's easier to abuse people with whom you don't see or identify as human" doesn't sound like he's talking about both ways.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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maybe they have been listening. this is not a new issue in minority communities or minorities in general. It's not as if the breakdown has happened because of these recent events.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Coralville, IA, USA

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it's not just the criminals complaining about the police. It is law abiding citizens being treated like criminal or savages. But that doesn't happen to you, so I guess it doesn't happen then. People just lying on the cops.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Coralville, IA, USA

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http://youtu.be/fFJvZtgyXRE

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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DP, show me a case where a law abiding citizen has been killed by police and I've supported the police. I'll wait.

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Also DP, showe where I've said it doesn't happen. I'll wait.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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*show me

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Part of the problem is the cops refusal to acknowledge that some citizens are humans. They refer to them as savages. The problem lies with the cops perception.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Athens, TN

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It's easier to abuse people whom you don't see or identify as human.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Athens, TN

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Some people are savages. Behavior dictates.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Behavior dictates? I thought your determination of who is a savage was based on "whoever the #### you want to ####ing call a savage".

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cedar Bluff, TN, USA

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Are you now willing to articulate how you make that determination...or are you going to continue being retarded?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cedar Bluff, TN, USA

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LMAO! You're an idiot.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And again. Some people are savages. Race is irrelevant. Home, family, finances whatever. Irrelevant. If you act like a savage I'll call you a savage.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Do you want a checklist? A criteria sheet for who I want to call a savage? You're an idiot.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Act civil and you'll get treated civil.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Civility eludes you racer.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Was the Miami Beach officer a savage?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cedar Bluff, TN, USA

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Hell no! He's a ####ing hero. God bless that man!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You seem to be unable to think for yourself. You toe the police line with every single issue.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cedar Bluff, TN, USA

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If the police say the officer is right...you agree, and the officer is a hero. If the police say the officer it's wrong...you agree, and the officer is a savage.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cedar Bluff, TN, USA

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Not every. You're just not paying attention. I can't say I'm surprised. That's you.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You're completely incapable of independent thought. You are a bootlicking robot.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cedar Bluff, TN, USA

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You cannot cite one single example of an instance where you have disagreed with the official police position regarding an officer involved incident.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cedar Bluff, TN, USA

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You form opinions without hesitation on every other issue...but you stutter and stammer and hesitate and are reluctant to give your thoughts on police matters...until the cops tell you what to think.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cedar Bluff, TN, USA

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That makes you a lapdog and a bootlicker...and a fücking idiot. in my opinion...of course

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Cedar Bluff, TN, USA

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Aaaaaaaand you can't read. But just go with what your ignorance tells you. Don't mind Wheaton saying. Except of course what you choose to cherry pick out of the conversation.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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More rats: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article23756080.html http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2015/08/whistleblower-michigan-cop-files-suit-over-allegations-of-fellow-cops-having-sex-with-teen-ride-along/

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Non-PINAC link: http://www.mlive.com/opinion/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/08/saline_officials_hiding_from_q.html

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Don't blame me for you and your alter egos provided weak examples. I've said over and over again that there are plenty of valid examples of police misconduct to choose from. But you idiots want to discuss clever hans.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Thanks for the opinion article. I know zero about the story.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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We were discussing the numerator for misconduct. Clever Hans effect is a subtle way to get a search on-demand. So is positive reinforcement for always hitting. Both absolutely relevant to that previous discussion.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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But not relevant now. Stop changing the subject.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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"I know zero about the story." I'm sure it's normal for demotions and reassignments to occur after reporting a colleague. Especially after being on the job for a while. That shouldn't raise eyebrows. Right?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I wouldn't know. Is it? What is the normal reassignment procedure?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Pull yer head outta your ass.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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1) On the same job for years 2) Report colleague 3) Demotion and reassignment Nothing to see here, move along....

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I'm not saying anything either way. Take it easy idiot.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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try using your brain why did the same thing happen in each of these 3 situations (Crystal, Lupi, Henry) after reporting a colleague?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Try taking it easy. I know nothing about this situation. Unlike you who apparently knows everything there is to know about it. I'll respond to this story when I become a little more familiar with it.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Now please feel free to tell me I'm wrong for waiting till I know a little more before commenting.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Try using your brain. What typically happens to other whistleblowers in retaliation?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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"waiting till I know a little more before commenting." Unless it's a savage, of course.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Some savages make it easy.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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At least those 3 were lucky. They could've been held in Jamaica hospital against their will.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Do you believe every anti cop story you read?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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that's not an anti cop story that's an anti corruption story learn the difference

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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all 4 of them are anti corruption stories you could even say they're pro good cop

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Anti cop

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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When you try to lump in an entire department you make it anti good cop. Unless, of course, you think every cop is bad. Like you idiots apparently do. Then it's different.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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that's not how it works.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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That's not how it works for you? Ok.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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No, that's not how it works at all. When an entire department is implicated, it is still anti-corruption. In no situation does that mean every cop is bad. None. At all. What it does say it that there is an

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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environment that may foster corruption. That's it. Whistleblower retaliation is an example. 4 cases of it are above. Who knows how many others haven't spoken up because being a rat isn't a good career move.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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(4 allegations)

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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("Entire department" means everyone)

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Entire: : complete or full : not lacking or leaving out any part

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Only when you think all 3000 police officers are corrupt.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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(3000 police officers of the Baltimore police department)

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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When you say the entire police department is implicated you're saying all 3000 are corrupt and when you say the entire police department is corrupt you have no credibility.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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except if you could read, you'd understand I said nothing of the sort

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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and environment that fosters corruption. like a thin blue line. there were a couple of vocal colleagues who didn't like that he ratted. a supportive environment against corruption would've has his back

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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instead, Crystal was reassigned from detective to other duties numerous times. that's a hostile environment to speak up on corruption

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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that says nothing at all about the remainder of the force. nothing.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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it suggests supervisors may have been complicit and weren't willing to stand up for him blowing the whistle. nothing about anyone else.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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in Lupi's case, he accused the chief, the chief reassigned him. and Lupi sounds like a good cop. 20 years. detective for 13. integrity. didn't like corruption. paid for speaking up.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Can you guys possibly find a case of police misconduct where the alleged victim wasn't committing a crime?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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one right here on this thread: dp dwb. leo "smelling" mj so they could search.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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we've posted video where the officer changes the reason for the stop ten times in a recorded stop - I think that one was out of Dade county Florida. the driver had filed a complaint against that officer previously.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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that might have been this thread. maybe one of the others.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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back to the topic: can u not see how the environment/culture shuns good cops that speak up? from the outside, it appears that a higher value has been placed on protecting their own than cracking down on corruption.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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these officers should be touted, not shunned. for an example of shunning, see what happened to Crystal at the award ceremony after his complaint was made.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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@PLC - so...police misconduct is acceptable if the victim committed a crime?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Knoxville, TN, USA

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Once you commit a crime, all bets are off, and the police are allowed to mistreat you however they please?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Knoxville, TN, USA

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What if their intent isn't pure? What if their allegations are false?

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https://youtu.be/JT0zjorR68A

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Knoxville, TN, USA

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Once you commit a crime, life is different. You don't command the same respect as those who haven't. IMO

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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ANY crime?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Monroe County, TN

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Once you commit...or once you're convicted?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Monroe County, TN

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Does the same standard hold true for police as for citizens?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Monroe County, TN

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Just not crimes against your mother. Those are understandable.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Don't commit a crime and you won't have to worry about it.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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So...yet again you can't defend or explain your vague comments. got it

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Athens, TN

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My comment was pretty clear. Not vague at all. Your silly questions won't clarify anything for you. You're angry and looking for stupid #### that doesn't pertain to anything. I won't play your game & that pisses you off

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Criminals don't deserve the same respect as victims. Or anyone else. Pretty simple there. I didn't list what crimes. Do I really need to? Should I list them with subsections? By state? By classification? By age?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Why don't you stop asking stupid questions? I think that would work best.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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this is where "I don't do nuance" becomes problematic. Do you believe good humans can do bad things in certain circumstances or environments?

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Absolutely.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And I believe bad humans can do good things in certain circumstances. Now what does this have to do with what I said?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"Once you commit a crime, life is different. You don't command the same respect as those who haven't." -PLC "Allegations are still just that. Allegations. Until proven true they'll remain allegations." -PLC

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Monroe, GA 30656, USA

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Your comments are contradictory and require clarification. When asked to clarify your contradictory comments...you cannot. You choose instead to go full retard.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Monroe, GA 30656, USA

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I can't help your stupidity. Two unrelated comments. That's the best you can do? Fail! Try again.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I don't think you can help your stupidity either. Genetics and all.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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so...no attempt to clarify or defend your contradictory and ambiguous comments? got it.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Do you have a point idiot? Do you disagree? Agree? Have a different view? Cause all you're doing is trying to play the "definition of is" game and failing miserably. No wonder you don't have friends.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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here's a rudely intrusive out of context comment: I think that the pot legalization trend will greatly improve police/community relations. crime is down 15% in Colorado.

tasty riff @ over 2 years ago

Bella Vista, CA 96008, USA

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another thought; how ironic would it be if the RICO act was used against corrupt police departments?

tasty riff @ over 2 years ago

Bella Vista, CA 96008, USA

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I absolutely disagree with you narrow view that "criminals are savages". That point of view is fundamentally flawed, and is contradictory to our entire justice system and the basic concept of reform.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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For starters...you're intentionally using vague language and childishly refusing to clarify your position when questioned. "Police are heroes" "Criminals are savages" Really?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Those types of comments are the rationale of misguided child. How the hell can an adult attempt to base any argument whatsoever on such a blatantly erroneous position.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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You see only black and white. When questioned about the massive grey area between the false dichotomy you've created...you have no response other than deflection.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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You're so completely irrational on this subject that no exchange of ideas is possible with you.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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You're blatantly wrong on this subject...and easily proven to be so.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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I've stated my position clearly and succinctly. I'll do it again...for the record.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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There is a serious issue of police misconduct that exists. It exists due to a lack of accountability on the part of the police that has grown into a systemic culture of corruption.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Not all police officers are bad. Not all police officers engage in misconduct. But the officers who do are protected by their colleagues and commanders.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Good cops who attempt to bring the misconduct to light are routinely reprimanded and mistreated by their colleagues and commanders.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Indisputable evidence supporting my position has been provided at length on this and many other threads on this forum. My position is one of undeniable fact.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Your position, on the other hand, is that of elementary schoolyard intellect and rationale.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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You make bizarre comments that you are ill-prepared to support or defend. You become hostile and defensive when probed regarding your position.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Your statements are completely contradictory. Your argument is self-defeating.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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It's obvious to everyone reading these posts that you've lost the argument. You're currently in the process of losing your ability to string together coherent thoughts.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/When-Texas-driver-refuses-to-ID-police-officer-6316189.php

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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This is awesome! LMAO!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You're having an argument with somebody? Interesting. I dont know with who. Maybe with yourself. How are you doing? Beating yourself? LOL!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You savages are so sensitive. Whats the definition of is?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I don't blame you for desperately attempting to change the subject rather than support your comments. They're stupid and indefensible.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Winning? I've already won.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Cool! What did you win?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The debate.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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A prize? A cookie? Some desperately needed confidence?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You should've been there. It was awesome.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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What did you win?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Do I still think Police Officers are heroes? Yes

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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When one party gets so frustrated that they refuse to even attempt to support their retarded comments. They lose.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Do most people in this country agree with me? Yes.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Do I still think that criminals are savages? Yes.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Do I still think youre an insecure little boy who thinks he has something to prove on an anonymous chat app? Yes.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What did you win?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Im not frustrated at all. I laugh at your weak attempts.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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So what did you win?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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A debate? This isnt a debate. Im not engaged in any debate. A conversation, yes. A debate, no.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Maybe youre having a solo debate.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You just lost the conversation.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I did my research. My research showed that youre having a debate by yourself. Apparently to help with your feeling of insignificance. Is it helping your inferiority complex? I sure do hope so.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Mt research found that if you were to get out and make real life friends, you wouldnt be such an idiot. So socially inept. It would boost your self esteem. You should try it.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I recommend it to all the kids.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I lost the conversation? Awww. That must mean youre a winner! Get this guy a gold star! Congrats. You're no longer a nobody. You won a VM conversation! Go upstairs and tell Mom! She'll be happy!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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This incessant desire to "win" anonymous conversations is troubling. It's a sign of an upbringing that lacked the necessary social exposure needed in normal upbringing.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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When a person only know losses in real life, he desperately seeks wins at any cost.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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If you drive, I bet you're that guy who stays in the left lane. Refusing to let anyone pass. You're gonna show them that youre in charge!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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spoken like a real loser

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I have to tell you that you too, can become a somebody. A great American. If you work hard enough. Its never too late Junior.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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keep deflecting

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Spoken TO a real loser. Not like. A social retard like yourself doesnt have the programming necessary to tell the difference.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Deflecting? You're beating your chest that you won something. Isnt that the topic? How great you are at winning conversations on an app with a dozen posters?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I'm congratulating you. You should get a T Shirt made.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Racer- The conversation Winner! or The Opinion Validator! (Wait, that might be skals shirt)

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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^ deflection

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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no, it't the topic. You got a lot to learn.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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speak English

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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musisz się wiele nauczyć

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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better?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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So...let's examine your position: * You think all police are heroes. * You think all criminals are savages. * Your favorite color is red. ...are you six years old?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Because that's the kinda sh!t a kindergartener says

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Nihil habere te docere

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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so.....lets examine YOUR position. *"I've already won" What exactly did you win? How do you define a win? Who "wins" a conversation? are you five years old?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Because that the kind of #### an idiot from georgia says.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And red is the color of Artillery! An awesome color! You wouldn't know anything about that. You've never served anything more serious that cereal.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Jesteś niezdolny do uczenia się

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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man, I missed this app. so glad I ran out of instagram and Facebook feeds before I finished taking a $hit. was really checking to see if it is full of pro Donald/anti Hillary posts like fb.

tasty riff @ over 2 years ago

Bella Vista, CA 96008, USA

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I thought it was pretty obvious that racer won the argument, but after that heartfelt diatribe and my hippy wishy washy ways, I just don't know anymore. maybe you guys should just start over.

tasty riff @ over 2 years ago

Bella Vista, CA 96008, USA

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@PLC - how do I define winning a debate? Buy presenting a clear and articulate position, and supporting our with credible evidence. That's what I did.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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A good way to lose a debate is to throw out random, ridiculous, and ambiguous statements...and refuse to clarify your position or support any of your nonsensical declarations with any relevant facts. That's what you did.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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@tasty - good to have you back, you dåmn dirty hippy!

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

should I be surprised that one liberal would support another? I'll say it again, this isn't a debate. It's a conversation. You feel like you won a conversation. No wonder you don't have friends.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Maybe we can get AMI back to set up an actual debate. Like used to happen.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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That should help with your misquotes and flat out lies.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What would be the topic? Are police bad for society in America today?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I would obviously take the position that the police are good and you would obviously take the position that the police are bad.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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...so you don't want to support your comments you've already made on this thread? That's interesting.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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There's no need to. I'm just sharing my opinions. Feel free to disagree. Doesn't bother me.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The fact that you make ridiculous statements, then explain them away as simply being "your opinion" and feel no need justify the rationale you used to arrive at the opinion...or define your ambiguous terminology is asinine.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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It's your pitiful attempt at stopping the conversion when your comments become uncomfortably difficult for you to justify. It makes you look ridiculous.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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It makes it easy for me to mock you.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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You're a clown that nobody takes seriously any more.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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You've voluntarily marginalized yourself.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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That's how I've won this conversation. I've allowed you to paint yourself so deeply into a corner that you're no longer a part of the conversation that's to be taken seriously. You're officially a laughingstock.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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You are the new Inexorable.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Congratulations, retard

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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why would you look at this conversation as are cops good or bad for society. thats ridiculous. no one has come even close to saying that.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Coralville, IA, USA

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at no point in time has anyine said police aren't needed, or are bad for society. that need for police is what is agitating about misconduct or flat out abuse being condoned and protected.

don Pappi @ over 2 years ago

Coralville, IA, USA

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Can I get an english translation please?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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@don pappi - PLC knows that nobody said what's he's accusing people of saying. It's called a Strawman argument. He's utterly defeated, and grasping at straws. (pun intended)

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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What did DP say?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I dont understand stupid. You're quite proficient in it.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"that need for police is what is agitating about misconduct.." What the #### is that?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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He was pointing out the absurdity of the Strawman argument you're currently proposing.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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He was curious as to why you're so eager to abandon this thread (we all know it's because this conversation is going very poorly for you) favor of a new thread that would argue a point that nobody is making.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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His comment was articulate and relevant. Don't blame him because he doesn't post in Latin.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Im right here. Is this what you call abandoning a thread? Stupid is as stupid does.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Are you sure you're literate in English? You seem to be struggling to comprehend people's comments.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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"His comment was articulate and relevant."!!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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...or is this yet another feeble attempt to deflect away from the curb stomping you're receiving?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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"that need for police is what is agitating about misconduct or flat out abuse being condoned and protected."

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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^ This is articulate and relevant! LMMFAO!!!!!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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This #### just gets better and better.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Anyone who calls DP articulate HAS to be dumber than him. Thats not an easy task!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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To steal joshs line, that is the dumbest thing I've ever read on VM. Ever! To even insinuate that DP is articulate is beyond stupid. Im not even sure there's a word for that level of stupidity.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Even DP is aware of his inability to articulate. He blames it on fat fingers but even he knows he's dumb. The only one that doesnt is the stupid dude from georgia. That's bad!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"at no point in time has anyine said police aren't needed, or are bad for society. that need for police is what is agitating about misconduct or flat out abuse being condoned and protected." -don pappi

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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No one has said cops aren't needed or bad for society. The fact that cops do serve a necessary role in our society is what is frustrating about police misconduct being protected.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Are you sure you're not a retard? You certainly portray one convincingly well.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Can I get a translation please?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Thanks for the english translation. It's not nice to call DP a retard. He doesn't do english well. We all know he's stupid. But calling him a retard may be going too far. Even if he is.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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There's only room for one retard on this thread...and you've clearly already laid claim to it.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Now that you've had a translation of a comment that needed no explanation...would you care to address it?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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don pappi knocked down your Strawman pretty quickly I don't blame you for playing stupid rather than addressing you own logical fallacies.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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https://bookofbadarguments.com they even made it in pictures, just for you PLC.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

Burnsville, MN, USA

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Yeah, me. Not the idiot who cant type english or the idiot that called his dribble articulate then reposted it in english. Yup! Me. The only reasonable one here. All over a difference of opinion. I pity you.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Welcome back skal. Glad to see you join in. With nothing to add, but hey, at least you're here.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Speaking of nothing to add...care to address don pappi's perfectly timed and relevant dismissal of your Strawman?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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Will you be man enough to admit that it was an argument of your own creation that nobody proposed except you?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

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You want me to defend something I didnt say? Again?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"I would obviously take the position that the police are good and you would obviously take the position that the police are bad." -PLC You didn't say that?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Jesus...ARE you really Inexorable?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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"at no point in time has anyine said police aren't needed" Is this insinuating that I said that someone said that?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Why did you skip past the first part of his almost english statement?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"at no point in time has anyine said police aren't needed, or are bad for society. that need for police is what is agitating about misconduct or flat out abuse being condoned and protected."

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"at no point in time has anyine said police aren't needed, or are bad for society" -don pappi I think you stopped your quote a little short, pal.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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The first part is "at no point in time has anyine said police aren't needed"

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You're an abysmal failure at everything you attempt.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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"Maybe we can get AMI back to set up an actual debate." -PLC "What would be the topic? Are police bad for society in America today?" -PLC

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

"I would obviously take the position that the police are good and you would obviously take the position that the police are bad." -PLC

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Why would you skip right past that and go to the second part of his almost english comment?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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"why would you look at this conversation as are cops good or bad for society. thats ridiculous. no one has come even close to saying that." -don pappi

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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"at no point in time has anyine said police aren't needed, or are bad for society." -don pappi

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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fail

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Police not being needed and Police being bad for society are two different things. One calls for the elimination of Police and the other for a "fixing" of sorts.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I didn't think you'd be man enough to admit your intellectual inadequacies. Unfortunately for you...I'm always right.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Two different parts of the statement.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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We cant have this conversation if I have to fix your stupid too.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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So please show me where I said that one of you idiots claimed or felt that Police weren't needed.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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" why would you look at this conversation as are cops good or bad for society. thats ridiculous. no one has come even close to saying that." -don pappi Don's first comment after your Strawman was presented.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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You're such a fücking schmuck.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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So while you look for that, I'll address the second part. Are cops good or bad for society. Your thread puts that into question. "Are cops in danger...or are they more of a danger themselves?"

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Did you find my statement claiming that yet? Are you going to ignore this like youve ignored every other time ive called your bull#### out?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And if you're going to dance around it, I'll ask you this. Plain and simple. Like you. Have I ever said that you or one of your idiot friends, said that police are not needed?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Who accused you of saying cops aren't needed?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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That's another Strawman. You're inventing allegations that nobody is accusing you of.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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"Who accused you of having cops aren't needed?" WHAT?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Not a strawman. Thats what the idiot said.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You're really bad at this. You should probably read that book Skal linked to. It'll help.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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I'm finding it very hard to not make personal comments about plc. stick to the fu©king point man. Are cops in danger because Americans are becoming more criminal, or because police departments are using a double standard when policing themselves?

tasty riff @ over 2 years ago

Bella Vista, CA 96008, USA

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So he introduced something that wasn't in any conversation here?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And Im supposed to defend that?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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your problem lies in the fact that you've assumed PLC has a point

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Tasty, Im glad you joined the conversation. But I think you are confusing the conversation here. I would get caught up by reading the thread first. Then join us. Thank you.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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nobody except for you, plc, is having an argument about whether or not we need police.

tasty riff @ over 2 years ago

Bella Vista, CA 96008, USA

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he's just flailing wildly...hoping the savage beatdown he's receiving will come to an end

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

I am not having an argument about whether or not we need the police. Thats the point. I never said that. DP did. Im asking why he would say that.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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yes. SAVAGE beatdown

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

This is hilarious. Lets start again. Ask a question.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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savage adjective fierce, ferocious, or cruel; 

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Thats not a question.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Please. Ask a direct question.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You asked me to address his comment. I tried to address his comment. You didnt like that I addressed his comment. So now you're angry. Furiously punching keys. Relax. Take a breath. Ask a question.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Don pappi addressed your Strawman clearly and succinctly with his first comment after you posted it. His second comment expanded upon his position.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Mountain Park, GA, USA

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Thats not a question either. Should I provide a link explaining what a question is?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You have officially lost what little dignity you ever possessed.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lilburn, GA 30047, USA

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are police feeling threatened a direct result of their inability to effectively police themselves?

tasty riff @ over 2 years ago

Bella Vista, CA 96008, USA

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Thats not a question either.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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okay, a question. By what criteria do you distinguish between good and bad behavior?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA 30039, USA

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What is your determination of who classifies as a "hero" or "savage" based upon?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA 30039, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Tasty, no. I do not believe that to be the case. Do you think police feel threatened due to their alleged inability to effectively police themselves?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Good behavior is behavior that benefits the person individually & perhaps a larger portion of society. Maybe family, friends or society as a whole. Bad behavior would be nearly the opposite. Behavior that is detrimental

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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to anyone outside of the individual.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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So please tell me what criteria you use to distinguish between good and bad behavior.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Let's have a real debate, shall we? What should the topic be? How about "What purpose does a penis serve?"

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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I'll obviously take the position that penis serve the dual purpose of reproduction and removal of liquid waste. You'll obviously take the position that penis are for cramming into your mouth and slurping greedily.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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Is that your answer?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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no. I was simply proposing a debate

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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Oh, so I'll await your answer.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Good and bad are moral terms that are based on actions that produce beneficial outcomes.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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I think some do. I think that a lot of people believe a system of checks and balances for all government officials is a thing of the past. used only when politically helpful. people don't see congressmen or senators everyday. chances are if you

tasty riff @ over 2 years ago

Bella Vista, CA 96008, USA

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or negative outcomes, respectively

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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An act cannot be perceived as being good, if it has a negative impact on individuals...or society as a whole. Morals are relative.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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drive to the store for milk, you'll see a law enforcement officer. as with any relationship there needs to be compromise and understanding or it becomes toxic.

tasty riff @ over 2 years ago

Bella Vista, CA 96008, USA

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I understand that an action may be good to one individual, but bad to another.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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Do you see a difference in what I said and what you said?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I recognize that issues solely black and white. Vast areas of grey exist between the two that a logical person must take into consideration.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA, USA

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issues aren't solely

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA 30078, USA

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To classify everyone in any group as having a certain characteristic is obtuse.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA 30078, USA

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The truth requires a much deeper understanding of an individual situation.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA 30078, USA

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a la the la riots. there was a lot leading up to them before the outcome of the Rodney king case, like in Ferguson.

tasty riff @ over 2 years ago

Bella Vista, CA 96008, USA

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That's why comments like... "cops are heroes" or "criminals are savages" are so profoundly idiotic.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Snellville, GA 30078, USA

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and let me clarify, I don't believe that most cops are bad. but when talking about a group that has the authority to arrest people, bad apples really stand out.

tasty riff @ over 2 years ago

Bella Vista, CA 96008, USA

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How many dïcks does a man have to suck to be a fåggot? How many dog turds floating in the pool are required before you refuse to swim?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA 30045, USA

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Certain things have extremely low thresholds of acceptability or tolerance.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA 30045, USA

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Police misconduct happens to be one of them.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA 30045, USA

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Police misconduct does irreparable damage to the bond of trust that should exist between the police and the citizens who have entrusted them with their security.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA 30045, USA

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The mistrust is exponentially worsened by the lack of perceived accountability for officers who abuse their authority.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Dacula, GA 30019, USA

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I think we, as a society, should have very low thresholds of acceptance or tolerance for any crime. Regardless of who commits it.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I think we all agree that police abuse and police misconduct is bad.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I also think a guy who constantly brings up gay sex, has gay tendencies. Not that theres anything wrong with that. I just wish you would keep your fantasies out of these conversations.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The question isnt whether or not the Police should be allowed to break the law. The question, IMO, is how often does it happen and is it properly addressed. This is where we differ in opinion.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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That's right. Opinion.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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If it happens .5% of the time, I can say that it's unacceptable, but unavoidable. You can say it's unacceptable and completely avoidable. Then you'll include some reference to gay sex.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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jaywalk, get a ticket. smoke a joint in California without a script, a ticket. drive drunk, a felony. diddle a kid, lose your job at subway and hope to kill yourself before prison.

tasty riff @ over 2 years ago

Bella Vista, CA 96008, USA

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How many times does a man need to bring up gay sex before we can accuse him of being gay? Does creating threads dedicated solely to that purpose count?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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LOL Tasty! He is screwed. Literally!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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we as a society don't tolerate crimes. that's why people are upset when it appears crimes committed by cops are swept under the rug.

tasty riff @ over 2 years ago

Bella Vista, CA 96008, USA

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Racer, we've covered this already. Once in a blue moon is one thing. Constantly talking about men blowing each other, a totally different thing. You cant help yourself.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You'll NEVER win that argument.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Tasty, the issue is that what appears to be so isn't always so.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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But some people don't care. There are people TODAY chanting "Hands up, Dont shoot" even after that was proven false. Some people arent interested in truth. Why?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Racer, that's not what we're talking about. There was no need for you to inject gay sex in this conversation. Twice in a matter of 15 minutes. Especially when the conversation was quite civil.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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And I win that argument EVERY SINGLE TIME!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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again, the weed thing might sound like a joke to you, but most people with experience in the area see the hypocrycy in the law vs. alcohol. cops in California have much better relationships with citizens in the last 7 or so years so long as they're

tasty riff @ over 2 years ago

Bella Vista, CA 96008, USA

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Your insane multi week accusational ranting tirade against Smoke has granted me timeless Carte Blanche to use the gay joke against you with no possible fear of reprisal.

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

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you did that

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

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Did I say anything sounded like a joke? I think mj should be legal. I've always said that.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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not beating mentally ill homeless men to death or shooting men armed with spray nozzles who have no idea the cops are there.

tasty riff @ over 2 years ago

Bella Vista, CA 96008, USA

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but according to your own logic...people who smoke weed...an activity you support...are savages That's why your position is idiotic

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

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Racer, It's my fault Smoke is gay? I dont care who he sleeps with or who he blows. Or who YOU blow. It just doesnt have any part here. Its stupid. and weird.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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