SCOTUS will rule that states cannot refuse to issue marriage licenses to homosexual couples under the 14th Amendment.
@ almost 2 years ago
Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN
That's my prediction. You heard it here first! The ruling should rest on the analysis of whether state laws prohibiting gay marriage serve a sufficiently important govt interest. When you think about it, what other conclusion could they reach?
@ almost 2 years ago
That states can choose not to allow same sex marriages, but must honor out-of-state marriages.
@ almost 2 years ago
Cerritos, CA, USA
Correct, but SCOTUS will rule on the second question too.
Como, St Paul, MN
They actually have two issues to rule on here.
If they just rule that states must honor out of state marriages, it will have the effect of legalizing gay marriage in all states. It will jist add a little driving time.
@ almost 2 years ago
Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA
And that in turn discriminate against poor people and old people who aren't able to travel easily.
Lakeland, MN, USA
Wow, what a bold prediction... Who would have ever thought...
@ almost 2 years ago
Rose Hill, New York, NY
Is this the same SCOTUS that ruled blacks weren't human? Who cares what they rule?; I don't! Any court or people who go up against The Creator will lose.
@ almost 2 years ago
No actually it's a different SCOTUS. Those other guys are all dead, I think.
Anyway it was 3/5 of a human, Analingus. Not inhuman.
This coming from a guy who believes in a book that condones slavery.
@ almost 2 years ago
Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA
Let's just call it 3/5 of a citizen 3/4 of the prison population
Drew you made me laugh you ####er!!;
YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED!
@ almost 2 years ago
Strongsville, OH, USA
I would love to go on the liberal speech circuit get the crowds roaring collect your big check
George Bush's fault George Bush's fault George Bush's fault ------what a great speaker he was wasn't he? Let's go to Starbucks!
What's rich are the hypocritical comments being made from a phone made by slaves in China. You don't have a clue.
I'll bet your bible was assembled in China.
the Progressive Pink Parade!
Laguna Hills, CA, USA
offering bro jobs!
North Royalton, OH, USA
I'll bet those Chinese slaves care.
I'm happy in my servitude to Christ. "To live is Christ to die is gain."
Winder, GA 30680, USA
Religion is mental slavery.
Fairburn, GA, USA
"Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free,
is Christ's servant. Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. 24Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God."
it's called communism
a liberal utopia
@ almost 2 years ago
Fort Belvoir, VA, USA
Well perhaps. But the new slavery of the electronic era is all about capitalism, baby.
@ almost 2 years ago
Arlington Heights, PA, USA
workers enslaved in China to make electronics for US companies?
These workers build iPods because it's the best option they have available to them. Without these jobs they'd be worse off. While China has adopted some warped hybrid form of pseudo market economy, it is not capitalism or a free market.
The communist govt of China is to blame for the plight if the Chinese people, not capitalism
We don't even have have true capitalism or free markets here.
that's the smell of freedom, baby. or some such...
I actually agree with the conclusion the evil "Dr" has come to with regard to this post.
@ almost 2 years ago
Huntsville, AL 35806, USA
The states could get out of the marriage license business if they truly disagree OR clergy could boycott ALL marriages. It would give them some leverage against the Fed.
That is, if they truly wanted to cause an uproar.
The law has no business regulating marriage, period. Not the state, not the federal, not local. None. It is a religious institution and govt should never have been allowed to take it over.
Downtown Jersey City, Jersey City, NJ
Churches friendly to gay marriage, or started for this purpose - because gays can still be religious - should perform this function.
Since that will never happen, they should be permitted to marry by law. No matter what anyone's opinion, they are not adversely impacted by the marriage of two people of the same sex.
Religious institutions? Whose religious institution? Therein lies the problem with your assessment of the role of religious institutions vs the state.
Franklin, TN 37064, USA
Marriage has historically been a function of the church, not the state, save for the past hundred something years. That's all I mean. Not sure what problem you see with that.
Governing bodies or ruling institutions have always, at least to my knowledge, intermingled with religious institutions with regard to marriage.
Define always. I may be off on the hundred years but go back a few hundred and you'll find I'm correct. I'll try to find something on the timeframe later. should be interesting
Regardless, it is an affront to a free people to have to ask the state permission to marry, is it not?
imo, removing government from marriage is part of the path towards simplifying the tax code
it is a much more productive conversation to have than if two men should be able to marry, or three women, or a one guy and ten girls
@ almost 2 years ago
Villa Park, IL, USA
The state is only involved in marriage due to the financial element...marriage license fees...tax incentives (estate tax, gift tax, assuming a spouse's IRA, SS benefits)...health insurance...inheritance
in addition, a spouse has hospital visitation rights....it's easier to purchase a home together.
There's a LOT of advantages to being legally married...that same sex couples are currently discriminated against.
let religious institutions adhere to their doctrine, let no religious institution have financial influence on politics
All financial benefits can be handled more than sufficiently by the private sector, the government is not needed
AMI, , Before you disregard the value of a government sanctioned marriage, you might want to consider divorce. Without the rule of law, custody of children, division of property, and child support would be a free for all.
Divorce could take place without a government sanctioned marriage. Marriage contracts could be made available from the private sector, not dissimilar to a prenuptial.
So instead of plopping down fifty bucks for a marriage liscense, you want to hire a lawyer to draft your marriage contract? I think you may want to reconsider the governments efficiency record in this area.
I'm sure forms would be able to be purchased online for $50
Additionally, if divorce were to occur the contract would reduce costs at that point.
Understand also that your lawyer would still have to adhere to all laws regulating marriage. The government will still have the power to pass laws that regulate your private sector marriage. And if they can, they will.
Oh crap. I misspelled license. Now I'm gonna have Pink to deal with.
AMI,, I can see it now. A young man on one knee at their favorite restaurant asking his true love " Will you legal zoom me?"
As if going to city hall is so much more romantic
Funny you should mention that. My first wife and I did it in a back stairway at city hall. Ha!
What's romance got to do with marriage?
Lol @ jc :-)
jc, you didn't get caught?
No. It was pretty secluded. I was home on leave after basic training. At that point it really didn't matter if there was a crowd.
Loads of couples pre-marry in city hall here because of how strict they are in NYS on who can be a minister. Most states allow nearly anyone to perform that role. They go to city hall, get legally married, then do it ceremonially afterwards.
The link between marriage and the tax code is yet another symptom of our out of control federal govt. Marriage shouldn't be viewed a solution to an unfair tax situation. Separate issues. The solution should be tax reform.
Paulus Hook, Jersey City, NJ 07302
"These workers build iPods because it's the best option they have available to them."? Then why do they have suicide nets around their factories?
Their other option is the factories without nets.
China's population will start demanding higher standards, it is a significant challenge standing in their developmental path. Foreign workers get paid significantly more than their Chinese counterparts. The Chinese workers are not blind to this
From what I've read the foreign workers are demanding more money and shorter tours of duty. Mostly because of the effects of pollution on their health. The chinese workers are stuck with it. China has begun a massive pollution abatement program.
Even so, the current estimates are predicting a decade before any appreciable improvement in the air quality will be seen.
Seems indicative of forced/slave labor if people are jumping out of the windows at factories. Why not quit or commit suicide at home? They live at factory complexes similar to plantations.
So that will only exacerbate what I said
Ange no one said it's a good option. Are you saying they are literally slaves not allowed to quit or leave?
That's the impression I've gotten.
Me too, in part due to the shame of "quitting".
The solution to this whole gay marriage thing is so easy, guys. The government business of marriage as a religious institution is completely unconstitutional anyway.
The government should provide civil unions only. A license, signed and witnessed. Marriage is a religious institution that should be carried out according to the wishes of the religion.
Impressions and facts are two different things Ange
Then allow any two consenting adults to get a civil union. If anyone wants to get married, they'll need to talk to a pedophile in a dress.
fúck the religion bullshít
ban all religious practices, holidays, etc
tax 'em out of existence
the whole idea of one is ludicrous
no religion, utopia
Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA
Sounds good to me doc.
Yet no one thinks to do it this way. we wouldn't need SCOTUS to decide, wouldn't need to píss off the Jesus freaks, everyone would be happy with it, I gather from every person to whom I've floated that idea.
Great idea doc
@ almost 2 years ago
Is the impression I've gotten from reading articles about industry in China.
Kind of creepy how they someone's put notes in the merchandise asking for help.
How would persecuting Christians create a utopia? Might temporarily clear YOUR conscience, but you'll be just as miserable and still headed for hell.
Yeah Yeah, doc. We all saw the wedding scene in Braveheart where they were wed in secret by a priest so Wallace didn't have to share his wife with the local lord. Stop trying to peddle it as your idea. Braveheart took
place centuries ago. You weren't even born yet.
What a lady!
Gainesville, GA, USA
she really is quite a lady
If you said it plc I suppose it would be fine since you have a penis?
Also, I submit to you that Analingus is, in fact, a dìckwad. Seriously it's not a matter of opinion at this point.
It should be noted that marriage isn't ONLY religious. Marriage, like religion (and like government, for that matter) is a HUMAN institution.
Paul outta Hemet
@ almost 2 years ago
Carson City, NV, USA
It is too easy to make the mistake that the unnecessary entanglements of 2 or 3 of those individual institutions are the result of one being subordinate to another.
Well imo, the union is the institution, Paul. The rest is just paperwork unless there is a religious meaning.
"Marriage is a human institution." Only you're not talking about marriage. You're talking about homosexuality which is better described as inhuman, unnatural and an abomination.
Penguins have long term gay relationships. Is it unnatural for them?
Penguins also have sex with seals
Have people actually documented the gay relationships of penguins? They have concluded that they were indeed longer than 3 dates? How much tax money was put towards such a study?
Penguins are an abomination look at them they're worse than snakes big f****** balls of fat with feet
The brunt of many jokes
here you go Pink
Perhaps you've heard the term "bird brain".
Further study showed the penguins chose a partner of the opposite sex when one was available. At no time did the penguins engage in homosexual sex. Researchers have concluded the penguins were just lonely.
lonely. they just weren't right with God. they had plenty of males to have fellowship with.
Nah it's just too difficult to figure out when they're blowing each other.
Homosexuality is neither rare nor unnatural.
and my dog humps my leg
Berea, OH, USA
That's not nearly as weird as when you hump his.
Doc - I think we basically agree then. The individuals make the marriage. They can choose to seek recognition from another human institution if they value the benefits that recognition grants.
Yes I think we are in agreement there. Do you agree that government benefits of that union should not be granted by a religious person, or do you think that exclusion is a bad idea?
they aren't granted by religious institutions now
Sure they are. The priest, minister etc. must be licensed by the state to perform marriages in the name of their religious institution.
That's called entanglement and it's unconstitutional.
Oh please, the couple chooses who performs the ceremony. They can use the biggest atheist on the planet if that person is certified to perform the ceremony. There is no entanglement. The state provides the certificate and keeps it on file.
There is no influence on the state by the religion and no influence on the religion by the state
Doc - My understanding is that in most cases the state issues a license, someone officiates and the final paperwork is filed with the state. The religious figure, if included, isn't granting anything from the state.
I have to get my car smog checked to finalize my registration. That doesn't mean I am getting registered with Speed Check Auto Repair. It doesn't mean they are a government office.
AMi - While I agree on a lack of entanglement, there is clearly undue favoritism when it comes to who can officiate. That biggest atheist you mentioned would likely have to jump through some hoops to get a one day license or some such thing.
Meanwhile a pastor of a strip mall church just needs to be there next to the print shop and the vitamin store. He or she gets to do it automatically.
Addison, IL, USA
Racer, your link is neither peer reviewed, nor does it cite its sources. I would like to examine the authors definition of "homosexual" behavior.
not to pick a nit, but would you accept homosexuality as natural if you were presented with a peer reviewed, sourced, research paper that demonstrated homosexuality in several animal species?
What would it be natural for a species to exhibit behavior that would result in a lack of procreation?
Maybe dude animals screw other dude animals because they have the scent of a chick animal on them and they're too dumb to know better
Are we going to base acceptable human behavior on animal behavior?
AMi - That link is to a church which only proves my point. It perpetuates the favoritism given to religion over non-religion if I pretend I am part of a church by jumping thru their hoop to avoid the state's hoop.
Is there a significant hoop to be jumped through or are we just picking nits here
AMi - It must be significant to demonstrate unnecessary favoritism? I suppose if it is so insignificant pastors can apply for the same one day license to officiate that the rest of us can get. Right?
Sparks, NV, USA
I don't think there is any favoritism. You are making the incorrect assumption that a pastor does less to earn the right to officiate a marriage than Joe Atheist.
The private sector has done a fantastic job of allowing persons of all creeds the job
The point was that religious officials must get government approval to ordain a legal marriage. Entanglement.
Churches have to get building permits as well
The purpose of a building permit is to build a building. Not a religious purpose. The purpose of a permit to marry people is a religious purpose.
you don't have to be religious to get that permit though
I honestly think we can get government completely out of marriage
And we'll all be happy?
Marriage should be love
Not a government sanctioned institution
Exactly so, we are in agreement AMi.
Imo, doing so will actually strengthen the institution
What's love got to do with it?
@ almost 2 years ago
^ agreed. even from a biblical perspective, love was not really required for marriage.
What's your definition of love, under water? Something akin to sleepless in Seattle or when harry meet sally Im guessing. So no, by that definition love was not required for marriage.
ok well if you want to get technical about it, it's a legal partnership with substantial benefits for the partners.
Just another reason to call it a civil union, in the eyes of the law...it's a contractual relationship.
But we love to think about it in romantic terms, and most of us make the commitment because of love. So yeah, for us anyway it's about love.
When we had a Christian government it made sense for the state to help enforce the covenant relationship of marriage, but since we no longer have Christians in government the government should butt out.
lol you do love to dangle the bait don't you Angilius.
here I'd just say, kudos to you for recognizing that government involvement in religious affairs is a bad idea when suddenly the government isn't to your liking.
@ami - Crawford was tough. :(
A man on a mission
I never attempted to define love, my friend. in biblical days, though, burning lust was justification enough for marriage. perhaps love came later?
AMI and Doc,,, Let's say that govt got out of the marriage business. Do you think that would make it more or less likely that gay marriage would already be universally accepted?
It wouldn't matter if it was universally accepted or not then
exactly...makes it a moot point. Churches could marry whomever they approved, but legal status would only change upon civil union. No marriage via state mechanisms.
Wrong again, underwater. Marriages were arranged in biblical times as are most around the world today. "Burning lust" had nothing to do with it. Do you ever base any of your posts on truth or fact?
careful ang, look in a mirror before you post again as above
even you have limitations
Wouldn't you still have states trying to dole out civil unions to the " RIGHT" people. I don't see how this change would make a difference. Marriage/civil union debate has always seemed just a matter of semantics.
I do have limitations, but we've had this conversation already, H2O. If I'm factually wrong on anything please point it out. That's not the case though with you, it's it? You accept the truth
only when it's convenient and agrees with your preconceived notions, conditioning and brainwashing.
Households would register as family units for tax reasons. This a segue to my plan to implement a 25% flat tax for individuals, 25% flat tax for businesses. No deductions, no credits.
Increase minimum wage to $15 per hour and implement stricter welfare requirements.
Each family unit will receive $400 per month per individual 23 years of age and below.
No filling jointly, separately, etc
Flat tax + subsidies
Failing to see how increasing minimum wage raises standard of living for poor. Won't their cable, phone, fast food, grocery, cigarette costs just go up?
1 Corinthians 7:9: “If they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.”
I know you'll come up with something to explain that that passage doesn't really mean what it looks like. if we were all just smart enough to understand.
oh, and I think water brother was teasing me with the mirror comment.
Not only are your posts not factual, they're also dumb and especially meaningless.
Look who's talking.
BTW, passion as used by Paul in that instance has nothing to do with whether marriage was arranged, or not. It mentions "sexual desire" in general. I live how you people can read a Bible verse and take it to mean
whatever you want it to mean with no corroboration or factual basis whatsoever.
Dangling the bait again I see, Angilius.
Really underwater? How does that verse support your belief that marriages were not arranged in biblical times? Does sexual desire preclude a marriage being arranged somehow in a manner I'm unaware of?
not when you're talking 4-5 yr olds having a marriage arranged by their uncles
Can we go back to my posts please?
Of marriages were arranged in biblical times, as they are now.
Where do you think priests got the idea to bugger little children? They saw kids being given away in sexual bondage to adults for money.
Which pedophile priests "saw kids being govern away in sexual bondage to adults for money"? Where and when was this going on in your lifetime?
BIBLICAL times, idiot.
"Four and five year old given away by uncles"? Can you guys at least make an effort to fact check yourselves? Your claims are ridiculous and haven't an iota of support.
unless you're making a crack about my age, in which case, touche.
Does $15/hour address an underlying societal problem or merely sympton of one?
Yes, because my plan addresses revenue, purchasing power, and cost concerns in a common sense manner.
That's where you lost him.
Angelus is not a fan of anything involving common sense.
It is frustrating when you take the time out to actually think something through before posting and bam! we're on Bible stuff again!
Raper the minimum wage and they'll just raise the price of cigarettes, coke and pepsi 12 packs, chips, trac phones, dvds, the etc. You want to raise the standard of living then secure the borders, deport this excess of
cheap labor, end NAFTA and this Trans-Pacific screw job being pushed through, teach these 16 year Olds to stop having babies, teach kids to put down video games and pick up their school books etc. Finally, your plan
will not fix anything. It doesn't address underlying societal problems that can only be fixed by a revival.
AMI, your solutions are dated, to say the least. Robots are projected to take a third of a third of jobs in the next ten years. If you want to know where we are being taken I suggest you check out the Georgia Guide
Stones. It's not a question as to if that's where we're going; it's only a question of how we get there.
Angilius can you back up anything you say with evidence your approach would work? Your response seems to be based on a combination of emotion and political talking points.
To be clear: by "evidence" I mean sources other than the bible.
ami, I believe your point about the minimum wage and in exchange cracking down on handouts. Clinton had some great policies put in action, something similar could work again particularly when you pay people closer to a living wage.
But the flat tax idea has always had significant pushback. I won't profess to understand the number or breadth of economic factors that would be primarily affected, much less all the secondary ones. So I can't agree or disagree with you there.
I will say, however, you should not raise the minimum wage only to tax those folks 25%! That doesn't make sense to me.
Also, many minimum wage workers are on food stamps and have no medical insurance now, do you also propose cutting food stamps
You're probably right, evil. We need more teen pregnancies, more unskilled labor, and dumber kids...duh.
or making them buy health insurance along with that raise? Either of those along with 25% tax rate will more than negate the raise.
@Angilius - birth rate is at all all time low...especially among teens.
It'd be even lower if LARC initiatives were funded (i.e. Colorado)
So is Church attendance.
both good news
Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA
Good news for the saved; bad news for you. "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
we're all going to burn for accepting gay marriage... which I'm totally cool with
Less teen pregnancies! Problem solved! Doesn't matter if the rate declined. It's still an epidemic. Besides teen pregnancies we have unwed mothers unable to support their children.
25% would cover all taxes, not just income tax, a person on minimum wage would have about $1800 in monthly disposable income plus the $400 monthly per child subsidy
the reality is that everyone needs to pay more into the system
Richton Park, IL, USA
And our federal budget needs to be better managed
How about more personal responsibility? If you have no real career prospects maybe it's not a good idea to have three or four kids in your "own".
And it's still amazing how we believe statistics that are presented to us haven't we learned our lesson yet?
So no property tax AMi? Capital gains taxed the same as regular income?
Property tax wouldn't effect lower income individuals unless they choose to own property.
Capital gains at 25%
Anyways property tax is a local ordinance, not national
It is usually built into the rental agreement according to what the market can bear
Well minimum wage is also a state law, in all reality.
So no effect on state tax systems, you say.
Minimum wage $15/hr nationally; such earners pay 25% fed.
What about health care? Do minimum wage earners pay for that according to the ACA rules?
State tax would be up to the state, but most states have extremely rates for low income brackets. I believe Minnesota and and Oregon are the only states have bottom bracket rates over 5%.
The others are more the in 0-2% range
A single 27 year old making $30k a year would pay about $150-250 a month through the ACA exchange for insurance.
OR they could simply pay the penalty which would be far less.
Lol...you're working under the premise that government is for the benefit of the people. It's meant to manage an asset; no different than a cattle rancher "tends" to his herd.
You don't believe that government has benefitted you at all?
the penalty increases exponentially each year, does it not?
Yes, but for the ultimate benefit of the global oligarchy.
Voters have the power to change this, we choose not to.
UWater, exponentially would be very misleading. It would be several years before the person without insurance would pay 3%, and by that time they should have worked their way up to a job that allows them to actually have insurance.
"We"? I pay more than my hair share of school taxes. Why are indoctrinated children lacking the ability to think for themselves being churned out? Why during a libertarian awakening are millions of dependant immigrants
being allowed to illegally cross the border? "We" have no control over what is happening in this country. The false democrat-republican paradigm merely gives the illusion of choice.
your "indoctrinated children...churned out" reminds me of the Pink Floyd the wall movie / video for "another brick in the wall, part 2"
I'm afraid that's one of those complaints that will always be around. generational. "young whipper-snappers! What's wrong with kids these days!"
I most definitely agree with your last sentence though.
young adults (17-25) typically are full of truths and lacking in real world application. ..they aren't stupid, just don't know how dumb they truly ate
and ate! ;-)
Some of us get a handle on a more mature perspective earlier than others.
Also, idealistic doesn't mean immature.
Some of us are better at weeding through the false promises of indoctrination better than others.
Some people remain happily indoctrinated their whole lives and never once allow themselves to question their writ-in-stone beliefs. These are dangerous people in any society because they don't think.
Angilius, you still gotta pay for the stuff the government does that you hate.
I, for example, hate paying the government to spy illegally on me. After all I'm paying them. Don't I get some say in that at least? Why can't I stop that?
I also hate that we will have spent $3 trillion dollars on a war in Iraq that was unjustifiable, completely preventable...and resulted in 500,000 Iraqi deaths and 4500 U.S. military deaths.
I hate paying for that shít, I really really do.
I mean, if the money could go to educate kids, now at least something positive would happen.
I can't think of anything positive that came out of that war.
If only the schools could have that money. Side benefit: 4500 more heroic citizens home safe. And millions of less-miserable Iraqis. What say you, Angilius?
My clan just decimated an Iraqi clan in Clash of Clans. Apparently they're just really bad at war
Just stay away from the Asian clans.. They crush!
Unfortunately you have no control over who you end up competing against. But it can be manipulated somewhat based on what time the war search is started
typical fücked up liberal,,
throw more money into a verifiable failure, dept of education
next she'll want to spend on welfare thieves (c balt & Ferguson)
you do know the vast majority of congress approved of irag.
including hillary, chuckie shum, dirty harry... to name a few
you do know the Intel of the time was considered accurate, from several countries & agencies.
you do know Iraq was shooting at us & allied aircraft (unprovoked)
you do know your Messiah urged renewal & expansion of the PA
wtf I said I resent paying for that war in blood in treasure. I don't care who thought it was ok at the time. I did not. ever. And none of their so called evidence surpassed anything North Korea has done in recent times.
I said I thought the money would be put to better use in education rather than in pointless war. I wasn't singing the praises of the department of education. Why don't you try reading?
Evil, surely you don't believe money is the answer for our failed education system. The system is backwards from top to bottom. You give these people more money for education and they're more liable to spend it on state
of the art sports complex for the school than education.
well, maybe it is, a lot of people think its dysfunctional because they all have different ideas about it. of course you think your ideas would fix everything.
@ almost 2 years ago
for instance, you think schools should teach kids that jesus made the world in 6 days and that the bible is the most important textbook in any class.
and that if they act like a f@ggot in class they should expect to be beaten like one.
For the cost of the Iraq War we could have forgiven all student loan debt with enough left over to start a new federally funded higher education program
I'm with Doc on this one
You're in Minnesota?
No but Minnesota is nice this time of year
Northlake, IL, USA
I hear the temps get all the way up into the 40s!
Niles, IL, USA
When will you people learn? "Repay all student loan debt "? The easy availability of student loan debt is what has driven up the cost of higher "education." Stop worshiping higher edification. For the most part it's a
a four or five year long party and a waste of money.
Maybe for someone like Skål, but for me I never would be where I am now without college
Morton Grove, IL, USA
The social education experienced there is worth a great deal as well.
I'm not saying everyone has to or even should attend college, but if you take the academic side seriously and get educated in a worthwhile field the cost is still worth it
Forgiving the college debt would put a great deal of money back into local economies. it would also allow individuals to invest in areas outside of the government
so, the net of everything is a positive
Colleges are nothing, but bastions of liberalism and indoctrination.
@PLC - weather here has been quite nice. I was in Boston last week and it was nicer here...
@AMI - I see what you did there... :P
@Angelus - Like life, you get out of college what you put into it.
And this: http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21646220-it-depends-what-you-study-not-where
It was a joke. I've been to Minneapolis. Beautiful area.
But saying it's nicer than Boston isn't saying much. LOL
Angelius there really isn't any sort of indoctrination at college unless you are seeking it out. Remember, college is voluntary. If you don't agree with what's being taught you are quite free to not attend that class.
In the sciences there isn't
any sort of political junk going on. It's all about the facts. I didn't take any sociology or politically oriented courses in college so there were no soapboxes around.
Sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. You are parroting
Fox talking points again. Really annoying when people spout off on things about which they have no understanding.
Your ignorance and closed-mindedness are showing Angilius.
college is where I learned to watch out for indoctrination, for the appeals to emotion, etc. college is where I learned that there are multiple ideologies, and no box is big enough to contain them.
Isn't college also where you learned how to properly hit a three foot bong?
AMi, it's all part of the education.
actually no. That was middle school...and never again.
you did it at the totally wrong time man
I do recall being obligated to take a few liberal arts classes in order to get my bs degrees.
And they do lean liberal politically.
Adam, schools should teach facts & theory ..
problem is parents don't insist, students think they're life entitled, teachers are accountable only if they're fùcking a student.
Totally true, H2O. That is the heart of all the issues in the educational system. Nicely summed up in one sad, sad sentence.
AMi, tell me about it.
Evil, only a brainwashed victim of indoctrination would speak the way you spoke to me. I offer every post you've ever made here as further proof as to the extent of your brainwashing.
Most ironic statement ever posted on VoterMap.
I like the part where she says (in this competitive world) college is voluntary!
Parroting really annoying YOUR ignorance close-mindedness all the words of someone looking down at someone else
Hey Doc! How's it hangin'?
Very nicely, in fact in a size 4 thank you.
Wow holy shít.... You're like some kinda psychic Dr Evil. A regular Miss Cleo...
Yorkville, New York, NY
Not psychic...I couldn't foresee a different legal outcome.
Bottom of page 2. The 14th amendment was the amendment at play in both questions...
Damn, I saw this at the top with 289 comments and initially thought it was the newest thread that the Doc made this morning about the ruling. I was thinking, "that's the VM I know and love."
@ almost 2 years ago
Greenmeadow, Palo Alto, CA
no...unfortunately, the VM you know and love was brutally åss-raped to death a couple of years ago by a nefarious group of spoofers and chicken fückers.
the survivors of the fallout now occupy this forum in much the same way that wildlife occupies Chernobyl
I remember when Liberal Patriot was ass raped to death
he died with a smile on his face
I think INEX is the only poster. the different sigs are just all the voices in his head.
President Not Sure
@ almost 2 years ago
St Peters, MO, USA
does the ruling force churches to preform same sex weddings?
similar to bakeries, florists, halls, caterers, etc must set aside beliefs as a reason.
Read the opinion, or a summary. Your answer is in there.
Don't be lazy, now.
actually skal, it does not.
it references "civil union" once, ,,,, bit references that it's legal & protected under the 14th.
the same ammendment used in my above examples.
Seems it leaves the door open a bit for that suit to follow ..
bit === but
Do churches have to marry heterosexual couples, H2O?
What do you care, H2O? I thought your lord frances condoned that kind of stuff.
His concern it's not for himself, but rather directed towards his pal Inexorable.
H2O just want assurances that Inex will be able to have a nice church ceremony, like he's always dreamed of.
Summerville, GA 30747, USA
Of course, he has a backup plan for a sunset ceremony on the beach in 'Frisco...but his mother insists on a big church wedding.
...she's such a strict traditionalist.
Answer my question please, H2O, and I'll help lead you to the answer to your question.
Are churches forced to marry heterosexual couples?
Angilius, I adore Pope Frances! He's got me thinking maybe I dismiss the Catholic church too readily as a sham and a cult. I love how those who routinely use religion for political justification of this or that are getting their underwear in a
complete knotted up bunch every time Frances opens his mouth! Their hypocrisy becomes immediately apparent to anyone who isn't blind.
The global warming thing is a classic! Suddenly the deniers are saying, LET'S LISTEN TO THE SCIENTISTS and not the Pope! aaahahahaHAHAHA!!!!
Or the unabomber, especially since some of the Pope's stuff nearly sounds like that.
Just like Ireland, Italy will probably take up gay marriage too. Then the Pope will weigh in and you probably won't like him again.
The Pope is quite gay friendly, but may not agree with marriage. That's ok in my book, his religion speaks against it apparently (though I've yet to hear exactly how, truly). Of course, he doesn't make the laws. He just tells Catholics how to act.
Apparently... No not apparently, there's a pretty strong prescription against it. Same with all of Judaism unless it's Reform.
Evil, currently they do not.
That said, the other references above,, florists, bakeries,, , etc don't either (but must to lgbt),,
primarily because neither side has been tested in court,,
(Very easy to figure out Reform temples this weekend, cuz they are ones flying rainbow colors)
for the record I don't believe they do,, but wondering if a suit is even possible using the 14th as justification.
I believe inex is out with scuba, celebrating "pride" in SF followed by his bethrothing at Alcatraz late Sunday.
racer & pink got the invite, I believe
The protection is in opinion, H2o.
And it has nothing to do with the 14th.
Other amendments exist.
*In the opinion
the religious protection is NOT in Kennedy's opinion.
maybe in your mind
Pink was the Maid Of Honor
Not in my mind, in yours.
Do you have your answer, then H2O. So glad you got that figured out.
Most churches wouldn't marry me to anyone, since I am an atheist. I have no legal ground to object.
bet you see the suit.
lgbt doesn't play by any rules, quite similar to isis
Marlton, MD, USA
Yes they're all just like that, trying to get rights others don't have.
They're just like ISIL! Great comparison H2O. Anyway, like I said, hopefully you have your answer...or do I need to explain it using duckies and bunnies instead of words so you understand? You seem quite dense today.
H2O are you seriously comparing LGBT to ISIS? What kind of doctor are you?
srorriM & ekomS
@ almost 2 years ago
solution, if you don't like a law, don't change it . overrule by force, intimidation,
Chancellor, VA, USA
skal, thanks found it
may be a gift in disguise, if Kennedy holds that position, it should also apply to little sisters and catholic hospitals next term