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SCOTUS will rule that states cannot refuse to issue marriage licenses to homosexual couples under the 14th Amendment.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

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That's my prediction. You heard it here first! The ruling should rest on the analysis of whether state laws prohibiting gay marriage serve a sufficiently important govt interest. When you think about it, what other conclusion could they reach?

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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That states can choose not to allow same sex marriages, but must honor out-of-state marriages.

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Correct, but SCOTUS will rule on the second question too.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Como, St Paul, MN

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They actually have two issues to rule on here.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Como, St Paul, MN

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If they just rule that states must honor out of state marriages, it will have the effect of legalizing gay marriage in all states. It will jist add a little driving time.

jc @ almost 2 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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And that in turn discriminate against poor people and old people who aren't able to travel easily.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Wow, what a bold prediction... Who would have ever thought...

The Drew @ almost 2 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

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Is this the same SCOTUS that ruled blacks weren't human? Who cares what they rule?; I don't! Any court or people who go up against The Creator will lose.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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No actually it's a different SCOTUS. Those other guys are all dead, I think.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Anyway it was 3/5 of a human, Analingus. Not inhuman.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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This coming from a guy who believes in a book that condones slavery. That's rich.

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Let's just call it 3/5 of a citizen 3/4 of the prison population Drew you made me laugh you ####er!!;

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ almost 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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I would love to go on the liberal speech circuit get the crowds roaring collect your big check George Bush's fault George Bush's fault George Bush's fault ------what a great speaker he was wasn't he? Let's go to Starbucks!

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ almost 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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What's rich are the hypocritical comments being made from a phone made by slaves in China. You don't have a clue.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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I'll bet your bible was assembled in China.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Who cares?

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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the Progressive Pink Parade!

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Laguna Hills, CA, USA

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offering bro jobs!

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ almost 2 years ago

North Royalton, OH, USA

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I'll bet those Chinese slaves care.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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I'm happy in my servitude to Christ. "To live is Christ to die is gain."

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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speak English

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Religion is mental slavery. https://youtu.be/3R1fwrvPM4w

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Fairburn, GA, USA

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Voluntary servitude.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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"Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free,

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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is Christ's servant. Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. 24Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God."

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Chinese slaves? . it's called communism . a liberal utopia .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Fort Belvoir, VA, USA

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Well perhaps. But the new slavery of the electronic era is all about capitalism, baby.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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What?

Arlington Heights @ almost 2 years ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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workers enslaved in China to make electronics for US companies?

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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These workers build iPods because it's the best option they have available to them. Without these jobs they'd be worse off. While China has adopted some warped hybrid form of pseudo market economy, it is not capitalism or a free market.

Arlington Heights @ almost 2 years ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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The communist govt of China is to blame for the plight if the Chinese people, not capitalism

Arlington Heights @ almost 2 years ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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We don't even have have true capitalism or free markets here.

Arlington Heights @ almost 2 years ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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that's the smell of freedom, baby. or some such...

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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I actually agree with the conclusion the evil "Dr" has come to with regard to this post.

Bankai! @ almost 2 years ago

Huntsville, AL 35806, USA

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The states could get out of the marriage license business if they truly disagree OR clergy could boycott ALL marriages. It would give them some leverage against the Fed.

Bankai! @ almost 2 years ago

Huntsville, AL 35806, USA

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That is, if they truly wanted to cause an uproar.

Bankai! @ almost 2 years ago

Huntsville, AL 35806, USA

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The law has no business regulating marriage, period. Not the state, not the federal, not local. None. It is a religious institution and govt should never have been allowed to take it over.

Arlington Heights @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown Jersey City, Jersey City, NJ

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Churches friendly to gay marriage, or started for this purpose - because gays can still be religious - should perform this function.

Arlington Heights @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown Jersey City, Jersey City, NJ

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Since that will never happen, they should be permitted to marry by law. No matter what anyone's opinion, they are not adversely impacted by the marriage of two people of the same sex.

Arlington Heights @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown Jersey City, Jersey City, NJ

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Religious institutions? Whose religious institution? Therein lies the problem with your assessment of the role of religious institutions vs the state.

Bankai! @ almost 2 years ago

Franklin, TN 37064, USA

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Marriage has historically been a function of the church, not the state, save for the past hundred something years. That's all I mean. Not sure what problem you see with that.

Arlington Heights @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown Jersey City, Jersey City, NJ

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Governing bodies or ruling institutions have always, at least to my knowledge, intermingled with religious institutions with regard to marriage.

Bankai! @ almost 2 years ago

Franklin, TN 37064, USA

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Define always. I may be off on the hundred years but go back a few hundred and you'll find I'm correct. I'll try to find something on the timeframe later. should be interesting

Arlington Heights @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown Jersey City, Jersey City, NJ

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Regardless, it is an affront to a free people to have to ask the state permission to marry, is it not?

Arlington Heights @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown Jersey City, Jersey City, NJ

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imo, removing government from marriage is part of the path towards simplifying the tax code it is a much more productive conversation to have than if two men should be able to marry, or three women, or a one guy and ten girls

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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The state is only involved in marriage due to the financial element...marriage license fees...tax incentives (estate tax, gift tax, assuming a spouse's IRA, SS benefits)...health insurance...inheritance

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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in addition, a spouse has hospital visitation rights....it's easier to purchase a home together. There's a LOT of advantages to being legally married...that same sex couples are currently discriminated against.

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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let religious institutions adhere to their doctrine, let no religious institution have financial influence on politics

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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All financial benefits can be handled more than sufficiently by the private sector, the government is not needed

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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AMI, , Before you disregard the value of a government sanctioned marriage, you might want to consider divorce. Without the rule of law, custody of children, division of property, and child support would be a free for all.

jc @ almost 2 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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Divorce could take place without a government sanctioned marriage. Marriage contracts could be made available from the private sector, not dissimilar to a prenuptial.

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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So instead of plopping down fifty bucks for a marriage liscense, you want to hire a lawyer to draft your marriage contract? I think you may want to reconsider the governments efficiency record in this area.

jc @ almost 2 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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I'm sure forms would be able to be purchased online for $50

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Additionally, if divorce were to occur the contract would reduce costs at that point.

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Understand also that your lawyer would still have to adhere to all laws regulating marriage. The government will still have the power to pass laws that regulate your private sector marriage. And if they can, they will.

jc @ almost 2 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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Oh crap. I misspelled license. Now I'm gonna have Pink to deal with.

jc @ almost 2 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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AMI,, I can see it now. A young man on one knee at their favorite restaurant asking his true love " Will you legal zoom me?"

jc @ almost 2 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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As if going to city hall is so much more romantic

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Funny you should mention that. My first wife and I did it in a back stairway at city hall. Ha!

jc @ almost 2 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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What's romance got to do with marriage?

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Lol @ jc :-)

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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jc, you didn't get caught?

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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No. It was pretty secluded. I was home on leave after basic training. At that point it really didn't matter if there was a crowd.

jc @ almost 2 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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Loads of couples pre-marry in city hall here because of how strict they are in NYS on who can be a minister. Most states allow nearly anyone to perform that role. They go to city hall, get legally married, then do it ceremonially afterwards.

The Drew @ almost 2 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

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The link between marriage and the tax code is yet another symptom of our out of control federal govt. Marriage shouldn't be viewed a solution to an unfair tax situation. Separate issues. The solution should be tax reform.

Arlington Heights @ almost 2 years ago

Paulus Hook, Jersey City, NJ 07302

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"These workers build iPods because it's the best option they have available to them."? Then why do they have suicide nets around their factories?

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103798/Revealed-Inside-Apples-Chinese-sweatshop-factory-workers-paid-just-1-12-hour.html

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Their other option is the factories without nets.

jc @ almost 2 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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China's population will start demanding higher standards, it is a significant challenge standing in their developmental path. Foreign workers get paid significantly more than their Chinese counterparts. The Chinese workers are not blind to this

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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From what I've read the foreign workers are demanding more money and shorter tours of duty. Mostly because of the effects of pollution on their health. The chinese workers are stuck with it. China has begun a massive pollution abatement program.

jc @ almost 2 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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Even so, the current estimates are predicting a decade before any appreciable improvement in the air quality will be seen.

jc @ almost 2 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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Seems indicative of forced/slave labor if people are jumping out of the windows at factories. Why not quit or commit suicide at home? They live at factory complexes similar to plantations.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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So that will only exacerbate what I said

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Ange no one said it's a good option. Are you saying they are literally slaves not allowed to quit or leave?

Arlington Heights @ almost 2 years ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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That's the impression I've gotten.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Me too, in part due to the shame of "quitting".

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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The solution to this whole gay marriage thing is so easy, guys. The government business of marriage as a religious institution is completely unconstitutional anyway.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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The government should provide civil unions only. A license, signed and witnessed. Marriage is a religious institution that should be carried out according to the wishes of the religion.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Impressions and facts are two different things Ange

Arlington Heights @ almost 2 years ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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Then allow any two consenting adults to get a civil union. If anyone wants to get married, they'll need to talk to a pedophile in a dress.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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fúck the religion bullshít . ban all religious practices, holidays, etc . tax 'em out of existence . the whole idea of one is ludicrous . no religion, utopia .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Sounds good to me doc.

Arlington Heights @ almost 2 years ago

Arlington Heights, PA, USA

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Yet no one thinks to do it this way. we wouldn't need SCOTUS to decide, wouldn't need to píss off the Jesus freaks, everyone would be happy with it, I gather from every person to whom I've floated that idea.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Great idea doc

Taco Bowl @ almost 2 years ago

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Is the impression I've gotten from reading articles about industry in China.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/are-your-favorite-products-created-by-slave-labor--new-report-indicates-it-s-possible-144633547.html

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/394565/chinas-slaves-josh-gelernter

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Kind of creepy how they someone's put notes in the merchandise asking for help.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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How would persecuting Christians create a utopia? Might temporarily clear YOUR conscience, but you'll be just as miserable and still headed for hell.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Yeah Yeah, doc. We all saw the wedding scene in Braveheart where they were wed in secret by a priest so Wallace didn't have to share his wife with the local lord. Stop trying to peddle it as your idea. Braveheart took

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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place centuries ago. You weren't even born yet.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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wtf dìckwad?

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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What a lady!

Taco Bowl @ almost 2 years ago

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Who, Angelus?

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Gainesville, GA, USA

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she really is quite a lady

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Gainesville, GA, USA

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If you said it plc I suppose it would be fine since you have a penis? Also, I submit to you that Analingus is, in fact, a dìckwad. Seriously it's not a matter of opinion at this point.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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It should be noted that marriage isn't ONLY religious. Marriage, like religion (and like government, for that matter) is a HUMAN institution.

Paul outta Hemet @ almost 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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It is too easy to make the mistake that the unnecessary entanglements of 2 or 3 of those individual institutions are the result of one being subordinate to another.

Paul outta Hemet @ almost 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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Well imo, the union is the institution, Paul. The rest is just paperwork unless there is a religious meaning.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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"Marriage is a human institution." Only you're not talking about marriage. You're talking about homosexuality which is better described as inhuman, unnatural and an abomination.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Penguins have long term gay relationships. Is it unnatural for them?

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Penguins also have sex with seals

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Have people actually documented the gay relationships of penguins? They have concluded that they were indeed longer than 3 dates? How much tax money was put towards such a study?

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Penguins are an abomination look at them they're worse than snakes big f****** balls of fat with feet The brunt of many jokes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCiIBfEKCds&feature=youtube_gdata_player

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ almost 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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here you go Pink https://youtu.be/H0evs5MRtD8

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Perhaps you've heard the term "bird brain".

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Further study showed the penguins chose a partner of the opposite sex when one was available. At no time did the penguins engage in homosexual sex. Researchers have concluded the penguins were just lonely.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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lonely. they just weren't right with God. they had plenty of males to have fellowship with.

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Nah it's just too difficult to figure out when they're blowing each other.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Homosexuality is neither rare nor unnatural. http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/1500-animal-species-practice-homosexuality.aspx

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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and my dog humps my leg

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ almost 2 years ago

Berea, OH, USA

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That's not nearly as weird as when you hump his.

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Doc - I think we basically agree then. The individuals make the marriage. They can choose to seek recognition from another human institution if they value the benefits that recognition grants.

Paul outta Hemet @ almost 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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Yes I think we are in agreement there. Do you agree that government benefits of that union should not be granted by a religious person, or do you think that exclusion is a bad idea?

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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they aren't granted by religious institutions now

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Sure they are. The priest, minister etc. must be licensed by the state to perform marriages in the name of their religious institution. That's called entanglement and it's unconstitutional.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Oh please, the couple chooses who performs the ceremony. They can use the biggest atheist on the planet if that person is certified to perform the ceremony. There is no entanglement. The state provides the certificate and keeps it on file.

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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There is no influence on the state by the religion and no influence on the religion by the state

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Doc - My understanding is that in most cases the state issues a license, someone officiates and the final paperwork is filed with the state. The religious figure, if included, isn't granting anything from the state.

Paul outta Hemet @ almost 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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I have to get my car smog checked to finalize my registration. That doesn't mean I am getting registered with Speed Check Auto Repair. It doesn't mean they are a government office.

Paul outta Hemet @ almost 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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AMi - While I agree on a lack of entanglement, there is clearly undue favoritism when it comes to who can officiate. That biggest atheist you mentioned would likely have to jump through some hoops to get a one day license or some such thing.

Paul outta Hemet @ almost 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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Meanwhile a pastor of a strip mall church just needs to be there next to the print shop and the vitamin store. He or she gets to do it automatically.

Paul outta Hemet @ almost 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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https://theamm.org/

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Addison, IL, USA

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Racer, your link is neither peer reviewed, nor does it cite its sources. I would like to examine the authors definition of "homosexual" behavior.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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not to pick a nit, but would you accept homosexuality as natural if you were presented with a peer reviewed, sourced, research paper that demonstrated homosexuality in several animal species?

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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What would it be natural for a species to exhibit behavior that would result in a lack of procreation?

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Maybe dude animals screw other dude animals because they have the scent of a chick animal on them and they're too dumb to know better

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Are we going to base acceptable human behavior on animal behavior?

Taco Bowl @ almost 2 years ago

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AMi - That link is to a church which only proves my point. It perpetuates the favoritism given to religion over non-religion if I pretend I am part of a church by jumping thru their hoop to avoid the state's hoop.

Paul outta Hemet @ almost 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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Is there a significant hoop to be jumped through or are we just picking nits here

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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AMi - It must be significant to demonstrate unnecessary favoritism? I suppose if it is so insignificant pastors can apply for the same one day license to officiate that the rest of us can get. Right?

Paul outta Hemet @ almost 2 years ago

Sparks, NV, USA

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I don't think there is any favoritism. You are making the incorrect assumption that a pastor does less to earn the right to officiate a marriage than Joe Atheist. The private sector has done a fantastic job of allowing persons of all creeds the job

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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The point was that religious officials must get government approval to ordain a legal marriage. Entanglement.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Churches have to get building permits as well

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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The purpose of a building permit is to build a building. Not a religious purpose. The purpose of a permit to marry people is a religious purpose.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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you don't have to be religious to get that permit though

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I honestly think we can get government completely out of marriage

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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And we'll all be happy?

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Marriage should be love

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Not a government sanctioned institution

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Exactly so, we are in agreement AMi.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Imo, doing so will actually strengthen the institution

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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What's love got to do with it?

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 2 years ago

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^ agreed. even from a biblical perspective, love was not really required for marriage.

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Go Blackhawks!

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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homerun!

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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What's your definition of love, under water? Something akin to sleepless in Seattle or when harry meet sally Im guessing. So no, by that definition love was not required for marriage.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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ok well if you want to get technical about it, it's a legal partnership with substantial benefits for the partners. Just another reason to call it a civil union, in the eyes of the law...it's a contractual relationship.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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But we love to think about it in romantic terms, and most of us make the commitment because of love. So yeah, for us anyway it's about love.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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When we had a Christian government it made sense for the state to help enforce the covenant relationship of marriage, but since we no longer have Christians in government the government should butt out.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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lol you do love to dangle the bait don't you Angilius. here I'd just say, kudos to you for recognizing that government involvement in religious affairs is a bad idea when suddenly the government isn't to your liking.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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@ami - Crawford was tough. :(

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 2 years ago

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A man on a mission

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I never attempted to define love, my friend. in biblical days, though, burning lust was justification enough for marriage. perhaps love came later?

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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AMI and Doc,,, Let's say that govt got out of the marriage business. Do you think that would make it more or less likely that gay marriage would already be universally accepted?

jc @ almost 2 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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It wouldn't matter if it was universally accepted or not then

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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exactly...makes it a moot point. Churches could marry whomever they approved, but legal status would only change upon civil union. No marriage via state mechanisms.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Wrong again, underwater. Marriages were arranged in biblical times as are most around the world today. "Burning lust" had nothing to do with it. Do you ever base any of your posts on truth or fact?

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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careful ang, look in a mirror before you post again as above .. even you have limitations .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Wouldn't you still have states trying to dole out civil unions to the " RIGHT" people. I don't see how this change would make a difference. Marriage/civil union debate has always seemed just a matter of semantics.

jc @ almost 2 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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I do have limitations, but we've had this conversation already, H2O. If I'm factually wrong on anything please point it out. That's not the case though with you, it's it? You accept the truth

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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only when it's convenient and agrees with your preconceived notions, conditioning and brainwashing.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Households would register as family units for tax reasons. This a segue to my plan to implement a 25% flat tax for individuals, 25% flat tax for businesses. No deductions, no credits.

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Increase minimum wage to $15 per hour and implement stricter welfare requirements. Each family unit will receive $400 per month per individual 23 years of age and below.

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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No filling jointly, separately, etc Flat tax + subsidies

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Failing to see how increasing minimum wage raises standard of living for poor. Won't their cable, phone, fast food, grocery, cigarette costs just go up?

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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1 Corinthians 7:9: “If they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.”

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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I know you'll come up with something to explain that that passage doesn't really mean what it looks like. if we were all just smart enough to understand.

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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oh, and I think water brother was teasing me with the mirror comment.

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Not only are your posts not factual, they're also dumb and especially meaningless.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Look who's talking.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Yeah, you.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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BTW, passion as used by Paul in that instance has nothing to do with whether marriage was arranged, or not. It mentions "sexual desire" in general. I live how you people can read a Bible verse and take it to mean

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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whatever you want it to mean with no corroboration or factual basis whatsoever.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Dangling the bait again I see, Angilius.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Really underwater? How does that verse support your belief that marriages were not arranged in biblical times? Does sexual desire preclude a marriage being arranged somehow in a manner I'm unaware of?

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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not when you're talking 4-5 yr olds having a marriage arranged by their uncles .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Can we go back to my posts please?

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Of marriages were arranged in biblical times, as they are now. Where do you think priests got the idea to bugger little children? They saw kids being given away in sexual bondage to adults for money.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Which pedophile priests "saw kids being govern away in sexual bondage to adults for money"? Where and when was this going on in your lifetime?

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Which pedophile priests "saw kids being govern away in sexual bondage to adults for money"? Where and when was this going on in your lifetime?

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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BIBLICAL times, idiot.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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"Four and five year old given away by uncles"? Can you guys at least make an effort to fact check yourselves? Your claims are ridiculous and haven't an iota of support.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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unless you're making a crack about my age, in which case, touche.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Does $15/hour address an underlying societal problem or merely sympton of one?

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Yes, because my plan addresses revenue, purchasing power, and cost concerns in a common sense manner.

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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That's where you lost him. Angelus is not a fan of anything involving common sense.

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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It is frustrating when you take the time out to actually think something through before posting and bam! we're on Bible stuff again!

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Raper the minimum wage and they'll just raise the price of cigarettes, coke and pepsi 12 packs, chips, trac phones, dvds, the etc. You want to raise the standard of living then secure the borders, deport this excess of

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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cheap labor, end NAFTA and this Trans-Pacific screw job being pushed through, teach these 16 year Olds to stop having babies, teach kids to put down video games and pick up their school books etc. Finally, your plan

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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will not fix anything. It doesn't address underlying societal problems that can only be fixed by a revival.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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AMI, your solutions are dated, to say the least. Robots are projected to take a third of a third of jobs in the next ten years. If you want to know where we are being taken I suggest you check out the Georgia Guide

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Stones. It's not a question as to if that's where we're going; it's only a question of how we get there.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/smart-robots-will-take-third-jobs-2025-gartner-says/

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Angilius can you back up anything you say with evidence your approach would work? Your response seems to be based on a combination of emotion and political talking points. To be clear: by "evidence" I mean sources other than the bible.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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ami, I believe your point about the minimum wage and in exchange cracking down on handouts. Clinton had some great policies put in action, something similar could work again particularly when you pay people closer to a living wage.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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But the flat tax idea has always had significant pushback. I won't profess to understand the number or breadth of economic factors that would be primarily affected, much less all the secondary ones. So I can't agree or disagree with you there.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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I will say, however, you should not raise the minimum wage only to tax those folks 25%! That doesn't make sense to me. Also, many minimum wage workers are on food stamps and have no medical insurance now, do you also propose cutting food stamps

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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You're probably right, evil. We need more teen pregnancies, more unskilled labor, and dumber kids...duh.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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or making them buy health insurance along with that raise? Either of those along with 25% tax rate will more than negate the raise.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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@Angilius - birth rate is at all all time low...especially among teens. http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_152373.html It'd be even lower if LARC initiatives were funded (i.e. Colorado)

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 2 years ago

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So is Church attendance. both good news

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

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Good news for the saved; bad news for you. "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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we're all going to burn for accepting gay marriage... which I'm totally cool with

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ almost 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Less teen pregnancies! Problem solved! Doesn't matter if the rate declined. It's still an epidemic. Besides teen pregnancies we have unwed mothers unable to support their children.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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25% would cover all taxes, not just income tax, a person on minimum wage would have about $1800 in monthly disposable income plus the $400 monthly per child subsidy the reality is that everyone needs to pay more into the system

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Richton Park, IL, USA

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And our federal budget needs to be better managed

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Richton Park, IL, USA

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How about more personal responsibility? If you have no real career prospects maybe it's not a good idea to have three or four kids in your "own".

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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And it's still amazing how we believe statistics that are presented to us haven't we learned our lesson yet?

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ almost 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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So no property tax AMi? Capital gains taxed the same as regular income?

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Property tax wouldn't effect lower income individuals unless they choose to own property. Capital gains at 25%

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Anyways property tax is a local ordinance, not national It is usually built into the rental agreement according to what the market can bear

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Well minimum wage is also a state law, in all reality. So no effect on state tax systems, you say. Minimum wage $15/hr nationally; such earners pay 25% fed. What about health care? Do minimum wage earners pay for that according to the ACA rules?

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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State tax would be up to the state, but most states have extremely rates for low income brackets. I believe Minnesota and and Oregon are the only states have bottom bracket rates over 5%. The others are more the in 0-2% range

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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A single 27 year old making $30k a year would pay about $150-250 a month through the ACA exchange for insurance.

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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OR they could simply pay the penalty which would be far less.

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Lol...you're working under the premise that government is for the benefit of the people. It's meant to manage an asset; no different than a cattle rancher "tends" to his herd.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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You don't believe that government has benefitted you at all?

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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the penalty increases exponentially each year, does it not?

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Yes, but for the ultimate benefit of the global oligarchy.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Voters have the power to change this, we choose not to.

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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UWater, exponentially would be very misleading. It would be several years before the person without insurance would pay 3%, and by that time they should have worked their way up to a job that allows them to actually have insurance.

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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"We"? I pay more than my hair share of school taxes. Why are indoctrinated children lacking the ability to think for themselves being churned out? Why during a libertarian awakening are millions of dependant immigrants

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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being allowed to illegally cross the border? "We" have no control over what is happening in this country. The false democrat-republican paradigm merely gives the illusion of choice.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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your "indoctrinated children...churned out" reminds me of the Pink Floyd the wall movie / video for "another brick in the wall, part 2"

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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https://youtu.be/YR5ApYxkU-U

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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I'm afraid that's one of those complaints that will always be around. generational. "young whipper-snappers! What's wrong with kids these days!"

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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I most definitely agree with your last sentence though.

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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young adults (17-25) typically are full of truths and lacking in real world application. ..they aren't stupid, just don't know how dumb they truly ate

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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are

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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and ate! ;-)

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Lol

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Some of us get a handle on a more mature perspective earlier than others. Also, idealistic doesn't mean immature. Some of us are better at weeding through the false promises of indoctrination better than others.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Some people remain happily indoctrinated their whole lives and never once allow themselves to question their writ-in-stone beliefs. These are dangerous people in any society because they don't think.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Angilius, you still gotta pay for the stuff the government does that you hate. I, for example, hate paying the government to spy illegally on me. After all I'm paying them. Don't I get some say in that at least? Why can't I stop that?

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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I also hate that we will have spent $3 trillion dollars on a war in Iraq that was unjustifiable, completely preventable...and resulted in 500,000 Iraqi deaths and 4500 U.S. military deaths. I hate paying for that shít, I really really do.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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I mean, if the money could go to educate kids, now at least something positive would happen. I can't think of anything positive that came out of that war.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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If only the schools could have that money. Side benefit: 4500 more heroic citizens home safe. And millions of less-miserable Iraqis. What say you, Angilius?

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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My clan just decimated an Iraqi clan in Clash of Clans. Apparently they're just really bad at war

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Just stay away from the Asian clans.. They crush!

Taco Bowl @ almost 2 years ago

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Unfortunately you have no control over who you end up competing against. But it can be manipulated somewhat based on what time the war search is started

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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typical fücked up liberal,, . throw more money into a verifiable failure, dept of education . next she'll want to spend on welfare thieves (c balt & Ferguson) .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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you do know the vast majority of congress approved of irag. . including hillary, chuckie shum, dirty harry... to name a few .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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you do know the Intel of the time was considered accurate, from several countries & agencies. . you do know Iraq was shooting at us & allied aircraft (unprovoked) . you do know your Messiah urged renewal & expansion of the PA .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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wtf I said I resent paying for that war in blood in treasure. I don't care who thought it was ok at the time. I did not. ever. And none of their so called evidence surpassed anything North Korea has done in recent times.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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I said I thought the money would be put to better use in education rather than in pointless war. I wasn't singing the praises of the department of education. Why don't you try reading?

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Evil, surely you don't believe money is the answer for our failed education system. The system is backwards from top to bottom. You give these people more money for education and they're more liable to spend it on state

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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of the art sports complex for the school than education.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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well, maybe it is, a lot of people think its dysfunctional because they all have different ideas about it. of course you think your ideas would fix everything.

[412035] @ almost 2 years ago

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for instance, you think schools should teach kids that jesus made the world in 6 days and that the bible is the most important textbook in any class.

[412035] @ almost 2 years ago

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and that if they act like a f@ggot in class they should expect to be beaten like one.

[412035] @ almost 2 years ago

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For the cost of the Iraq War we could have forgiven all student loan debt with enough left over to start a new federally funded higher education program

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I'm with Doc on this one

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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You're in Minnesota?

Taco Bowl @ almost 2 years ago

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No but Minnesota is nice this time of year

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Northlake, IL, USA

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I hear the temps get all the way up into the 40s!

Taco Bowl @ almost 2 years ago

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balmy

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Niles, IL, USA

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When will you people learn? "Repay all student loan debt "? The easy availability of student loan debt is what has driven up the cost of higher "education." Stop worshiping higher edification. For the most part it's a

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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a four or five year long party and a waste of money.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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Maybe for someone like Skål, but for me I never would be where I am now without college

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Morton Grove, IL, USA

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The social education experienced there is worth a great deal as well.

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Niles, IL, USA

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I'm not saying everyone has to or even should attend college, but if you take the academic side seriously and get educated in a worthwhile field the cost is still worth it

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Niles, IL, USA

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Forgiving the college debt would put a great deal of money back into local economies. it would also allow individuals to invest in areas outside of the government so, the net of everything is a positive

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Niles, IL, USA

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Colleges are nothing, but bastions of liberalism and indoctrination.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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@PLC - weather here has been quite nice. I was in Boston last week and it was nicer here...

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 2 years ago

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@AMI - I see what you did there... :P

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 2 years ago

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@Angelus - Like life, you get out of college what you put into it. And this: http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21646220-it-depends-what-you-study-not-where

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 2 years ago

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It was a joke. I've been to Minneapolis. Beautiful area.

Taco Bowl @ almost 2 years ago

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But saying it's nicer than Boston isn't saying much. LOL

Taco Bowl @ almost 2 years ago

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Angelius there really isn't any sort of indoctrination at college unless you are seeking it out. Remember, college is voluntary. If you don't agree with what's being taught you are quite free to not attend that class. In the sciences there isn't

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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any sort of political junk going on. It's all about the facts. I didn't take any sociology or politically oriented courses in college so there were no soapboxes around. Sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. You are parroting

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Fox talking points again. Really annoying when people spout off on things about which they have no understanding. Your ignorance and closed-mindedness are showing Angilius.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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college is where I learned to watch out for indoctrination, for the appeals to emotion, etc. college is where I learned that there are multiple ideologies, and no box is big enough to contain them.

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Isn't college also where you learned how to properly hit a three foot bong?

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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AMi, it's all part of the education.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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yes

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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actually no. That was middle school...and never again.

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Middle school you did it at the totally wrong time man

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I do recall being obligated to take a few liberal arts classes in order to get my bs degrees. . And they do lean liberal politically. .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Adam, schools should teach facts & theory .. . problem is parents don't insist, students think they're life entitled, teachers are accountable only if they're fùcking a student. .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Totally true, H2O. That is the heart of all the issues in the educational system. Nicely summed up in one sad, sad sentence.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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AMi, tell me about it.

UndrWater @ almost 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Evil, only a brainwashed victim of indoctrination would speak the way you spoke to me. I offer every post you've ever made here as further proof as to the extent of your brainwashing.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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⇧ Most ironic statement ever posted on VoterMap.

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I like the part where she says (in this competitive world) college is voluntary! Parroting really annoying YOUR ignorance close-mindedness all the words of someone looking down at someone else Hey Doc! How's it hangin'?

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ almost 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Very nicely, in fact in a size 4 thank you.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Wow holy shít.... You're like some kinda psychic Dr Evil. A regular Miss Cleo...

The Drew @ almost 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Not psychic...I couldn't foresee a different legal outcome.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf Bottom of page 2. The 14th amendment was the amendment at play in both questions...

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 2 years ago

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Damn, I saw this at the top with 289 comments and initially thought it was the newest thread that the Doc made this morning about the ruling. I was thinking, "that's the VM I know and love."

rob @ almost 2 years ago

Greenmeadow, Palo Alto, CA

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no...unfortunately, the VM you know and love was brutally åss-raped to death a couple of years ago by a nefarious group of spoofers and chicken fückers.

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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the survivors of the fallout now occupy this forum in much the same way that wildlife occupies Chernobyl

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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I remember when Liberal Patriot was ass raped to death

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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he died with a smile on his face

AMi @ almost 2 years ago

Northlake, IL, USA

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I think INEX is the only poster. the different sigs are just all the voices in his head.

President Not Sure @ almost 2 years ago

St Peters, MO, USA

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could be.. .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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question . does the ruling force churches to preform same sex weddings? . similar to bakeries, florists, halls, caterers, etc must set aside beliefs as a reason. .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Read the opinion, or a summary. Your answer is in there. Don't be lazy, now.

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 2 years ago

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actually skal, it does not. . it references "civil union" once, ,,,, bit references that it's legal & protected under the 14th. . the same ammendment used in my above examples. . Seems it leaves the door open a bit for that suit to follow .. .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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bit === but . .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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Do churches have to marry heterosexual couples, H2O?

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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What do you care, H2O? I thought your lord frances condoned that kind of stuff.

Angelus @ almost 2 years ago

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His concern it's not for himself, but rather directed towards his pal Inexorable. H2O just want assurances that Inex will be able to have a nice church ceremony, like he's always dreamed of.

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Summerville, GA 30747, USA

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Of course, he has a backup plan for a sunset ceremony on the beach in 'Frisco...but his mother insists on a big church wedding. ...she's such a strict traditionalist.

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Summerville, GA 30747, USA

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Answer my question please, H2O, and I'll help lead you to the answer to your question. Are churches forced to marry heterosexual couples?

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Angilius, I adore Pope Frances! He's got me thinking maybe I dismiss the Catholic church too readily as a sham and a cult. I love how those who routinely use religion for political justification of this or that are getting their underwear in a

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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complete knotted up bunch every time Frances opens his mouth! Their hypocrisy becomes immediately apparent to anyone who isn't blind.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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The global warming thing is a classic! Suddenly the deniers are saying, LET'S LISTEN TO THE SCIENTISTS and not the Pope! aaahahahaHAHAHA!!!!

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Or the unabomber, especially since some of the Pope's stuff nearly sounds like that.

The Drew @ almost 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Just like Ireland, Italy will probably take up gay marriage too. Then the Pope will weigh in and you probably won't like him again.

The Drew @ almost 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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The Pope is quite gay friendly, but may not agree with marriage. That's ok in my book, his religion speaks against it apparently (though I've yet to hear exactly how, truly). Of course, he doesn't make the laws. He just tells Catholics how to act.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Apparently... No not apparently, there's a pretty strong prescription against it. Same with all of Judaism unless it's Reform.

The Drew @ almost 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Evil, currently they do not. . That said, the other references above,, florists, bakeries,, , etc don't either (but must to lgbt),, . primarily because neither side has been tested in court,, .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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(Very easy to figure out Reform temples this weekend, cuz they are ones flying rainbow colors)

The Drew @ almost 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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for the record I don't believe they do,, but wondering if a suit is even possible using the 14th as justification. .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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I believe inex is out with scuba, celebrating "pride" in SF followed by his bethrothing at Alcatraz late Sunday. .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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racer & pink got the invite, I believe .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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The protection is in opinion, H2o. And it has nothing to do with the 14th. Other amendments exist.

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 2 years ago

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*In the opinion

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 2 years ago

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the religious protection is NOT in Kennedy's opinion. . maybe in your mind .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

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invite?! Pink was the Maid Of Honor

Racer X @ almost 2 years ago

Summerville, GA 30747, USA

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P27. Not in my mind, in yours.

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 2 years ago

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Do you have your answer, then H2O. So glad you got that figured out. Most churches wouldn't marry me to anyone, since I am an atheist. I have no legal ground to object.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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bet you see the suit. . lgbt doesn't play by any rules, quite similar to isis .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Marlton, MD, USA

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Yes they're all just like that, trying to get rights others don't have.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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They're just like ISIL! Great comparison H2O. Anyway, like I said, hopefully you have your answer...or do I need to explain it using duckies and bunnies instead of words so you understand? You seem quite dense today.

Dr. Evil @ almost 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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H2O are you seriously comparing LGBT to ISIS? What kind of doctor are you?

srorriM & ekomS @ almost 2 years ago

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mathematics, . solution, if you don't like a law, don't change it . overrule by force, intimidation, .

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Chancellor, VA, USA

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skal, thanks found it . may be a gift in disguise, if Kennedy holds that position, it should also apply to little sisters and catholic hospitals next term

H2O @ almost 2 years ago

Chancellor, VA, USA

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