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Happy Pi Day! 3/14/15. Fun fact: pi is incorrectly stated in the bible as being 3.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Comments (585)

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http://www.abarim-publications.com/Bible_Commentary/Pi_In_The_Bible.html#.VQQIbXP0DqB

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Two opportunities today to celebrate the first 10 digits of pi!

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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If the bible got this number wrong, what other numbers are wrong? Six days to create the world? hmm

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Even more fun: States have tried to redefine pi as 3 because math is hard. How irrational.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 2 years ago

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Ok, that one was a April fools prank...but Indiana actually did a long time ago

Tjaden Froyda @ about 2 years ago

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good one Skäl

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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I wasn't aware that pie was traditional for St. Patrick's Day. Wait, is it beer pie?

et in Arcadia ego @ about 2 years ago

Elkhart, IN, USA

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But it's not St. Patrick's Day yet. It's pi day.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Wrong again, evil. https://youtu.be/ikI6Bn-ZutQ Watch all five minutes and see God make a complete and utter fool of you.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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Irish meat pie I'd assume

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Fine compromise there, AMi!

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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In case that link is beyond your level of understanding here's another 5 minute explanation that's probably more your speed. https://youtu.be/LVGWXXYYQyE

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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e^(i* π) +1=0

The Drew @ about 2 years ago

Murray Hill, New York, NY

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Evil, your hypocrisy knows no bounds. You do realize today's date is 314(20)15? "Pi day" would have been March 14, 1592. If your writings are preserved, followed, and read for millennia in the future (a miracle in and of itself) will those readers be

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

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correct if they claim you didn't understand the concept of counting? Will they be right to say you couldn't count? Oh, the irony!

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

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Technically, it only works if you write the year with two digits AND if you use the North American style of writing the date (since there aren't 31 days in April the rest of the world is just out of luck) , but it's supposed to be just for fun

The Drew @ about 2 years ago

Murray Hill, New York, NY

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I heard that ISIS is celebrating Pi Day

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Yesterday was Friday the 13th, Today is Pi day, tomorrow the Ides of March zommmmg.. End of the world.

The Drew @ about 2 years ago

Murray Hill, New York, NY

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Hodor!

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ about 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Nice spoof, My Little Bítch™

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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I thought I was your little bitch. Probably Ahmad/Racer.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Endwell, NY, USA

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What makes you say that?

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

511-527 County Road 33, Endwell, NY 13760

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Not sure what you mean.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Endwell, NY, USA

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Still unclear as to what you're trying to say.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Endwell, NY, USA

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I believe he's trying to say he's a homo

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ about 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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I'm sorry that was mean, lots of meaness going on

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ about 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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well...happy "we're chillin' on smartphones day"

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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The Ides of March.... Beware

The Drew @ about 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Oh wait, it's over on the east coast.. I survived.

The Drew @ about 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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So the bible was off by 0.14...not really that strong of criticism evil.

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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Wasn't off at all. A careful reading of the text reveals that. I hope evil was touched and enlightened by the links I posted.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

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Pi rhythms die DIE VOTERMAP DIE!!!

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ about 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OtVlO0uIEY4

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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??? Some sort of inside joke ???

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

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color me stupid (no surprise there), but I'm not seeing where pi is written in the bible.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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1 Kings 7:23 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Kings+7%3A23&version=KJV

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bradley County, TN

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" And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about."

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bradley County, TN

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Diameter = 10 Circumference = 30 Simple math teaches us that this is incorrect.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bradley County, TN

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Unfortunately, the omnipotent creator of the universe doesn't understand simple math.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bradley County, TN

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The correct answer is 31.41592653589793. God isn't so good with geometry.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Athens, TN

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did the people of the time use fractions of cubits?

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

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Some people aren't able to understand the concept of a rim that's a handbreadth wide, or that cubits aren't typically or ever repossessed in tenths, or that it's a general description and not blueprints. Does anyone else see how desperate,

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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pathetic, and plain stupid these atheists are?

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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no Angelus, I don't. what I see are people having fun provoking each other. it appears you and Racer enjoy it.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

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His name is Ahmad. He's an Islamic jihadist turned atheist; all around moron.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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My guess is the ancients didn't deal with tenths but rather moved to smaller and smaller units and possibly at one point would have maybe gotten into fractions, like we do with feet and inches. Still that doesn't explain why the circumference was

The Drew @ about 2 years ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Listed at 30cubits even.

The Drew @ about 2 years ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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The obvious problem with Angelus' excuse for god not knowing simple math is that only an idiot would use the outside of a circle for the diameter, and the inside for the circumference.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Cedar Bluff, TN, USA

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So...by Angelus' reasoning...god is an idiot.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Cedar Bluff, TN, USA

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Plus, the ancients were pretty good at architecture and geometry back then. Assuming this thing got built in the first place, perhaps Solomon gave correct measurements and whoever was writing the Bible..

The Drew @ about 2 years ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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Changed it to an even 30 cubits to make this "look nicer" being unaware of the mathematical, impossibility.

The Drew @ about 2 years ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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are we assuming "round all about" means a perfect circle? does it matter? could the language of the day even describe the structure such that it would return the proper pi.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Southwood, Torrance, CA

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all the pages before and after seem to be describing things in nice, neat whole numbers, so that if it were described in modern English, it might sound like:

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Southwood, Torrance, CA

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about 10 feet high, 7 foot wide, with an inner diameter of 6 feet.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Southwood, Torrance, CA

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if you MUST find for the existence of God, you'll find a way to show it...but it won't be science. you can't have the objectivity needed to do real science. same for the opposite. if you MUST find for the lack of existence, you will find evidence.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Southwood, Torrance, CA

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evidence for the lack of existence?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Cedar Bluff, TN, USA

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In the absence of evidence, a claim shouldn't be believed.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Cedar Bluff, TN, USA

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The more far fetched the claim, the greater the evidence should be to support it.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Cedar Bluff, TN, USA

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@Drew - so, if the correct number was lost in translation, how much off the other shït contrived within the bible is also incorrect?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Cedar Bluff, TN, USA

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No clue dude, lots.

The Drew @ about 2 years ago

Sutton Place, New York, NY 10022

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Pi is an ugly thing for those who don't know the math. If you have a nice round number for diameter, you've got an ugly number for circumference or vice verse. I guess it's conceivable that a scribe would have changed it to make it prettier.

The Drew @ about 2 years ago

Midtown East, New York, NY

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Those who argue for using tau rather than pi have some solid arguments. That said, I still prefer May The Fourth for my nerd holiday needs.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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We are humbled by PI

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ about 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Happy St Patricks

The Drew @ about 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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love you all.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Nothing was lost in translation. The size of the tub doesn't even matter. What great truth have we lost in translation?

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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"Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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Good doesn't understand geometry. The figures given in the bible are inaccurate.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Monroe County, TN

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Therefore, the bible isn't inerrant. Therefore, god's word isn't the truth. Therefore, god is a myth.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Monroe County, TN

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Or, you're just an idiot.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

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possibly... ...but unfortunately, the evidence supports my position...not yours

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Dalton, GA 30720, USA

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The preponderance of evidence according to an idiot?

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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What's the circumference of a circle with a diameter of 10?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Is a bat a bird?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Is the mustard seed the smallest of all seeds?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Does the city of Tyre still exist?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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These are all things your omniscient deity had answered incorrectly. Clearly he's not inerrant.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Your god is a myth.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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It doesn't say anything about diameter in the quoted passage though, it says height. As in the height of the rim is 5 cubits and the circumference is 30.

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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I've explained every single one of these "errors" to you. You're too foolish and academically lazy to see the truth.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Endwell, NY, USA

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Scroll towards the beginning, Smoke.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Endwell, NY, USA

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@Smoke - yes it does. 1 Kings 7:23 " And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about."

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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"Ten cubits from one brim to the other." From one brim to the other of a round shape is the diameter.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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The omniscient creator of the universe didn't know simple math. And he's very ambiguous. Extremely shoddy work.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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<---Is not impressed.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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The bible's full of errors. God's word is not inerrant. God is not omniscient. God is a myth.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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So you take issue with the rounding of 9.55 to 10. There are far stronger criticisms of the bible.

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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Not to mention "brims" have width.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Endwell, NY, USA

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and...It wasn't God that made the pot.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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anyway...I like pie.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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@Angelus - we know brims have width. That's why measurements of pipe or other round objects are given by either o.d (outside diameter) or i.d. (inside diameter).

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Are you claiming that the most intelligent being in the universe used the outside of the brim when measuring the diameter...but switched to the interior of the brim when measuring the circumference? That's just stupid.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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That's the kind of shït that a moron who thinks bats are birds would do. Shoddy, unimpressive work that would get a civil engineer fired. You worship this guy?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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We're not talking about a pipe. we're talking about a custom made tub for which a general description was given; not blueprints to make the thing. These measurements aren't meant to be programmed into a CNC or 3D printer so that you can reproduce

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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one, idiot.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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So, you admit that god's measurements are necessarily inaccurate. His math doesn't add up.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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You concede that man-made computers are more accurate than god.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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That's interesting.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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I accept Ang's explanations for the obvious mistake. All three make perfect sense. This is just another example of the latitude needed to rewrite the text in order to maintain a coherent message.

jc @ about 2 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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I find it interesting that the scholars came up with three distinct explanations. Had this been a statement of dogma, it would have spawned three separate religions.

jc @ about 2 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

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@JC- that's just the point. The bible is riddled with obvious mistakes that require apologists to fabricate creative explanations in an effort to resolve them. The book is clearly not the work of a perfect intelligence.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Christians aren't fighting over the explanation because all three believable and none require "creative explanations." It's a description of a tub; that's all. You think it makes sense to write 10.216547 cubits? What's next? You take the measurements

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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of the ark and conclude there couldn't be any right angles? This is ridiculous. The fact that you cleave to our like it's some sort of "gotcha" is ridiculous. Why do you major in the minor? Why is the Cross such an offense to you?

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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This is hilarious. Grasping at very minor differences in numbers? Lol. Yeah because they could effectively measure 0.1415 at that time? Or hey there could even be a craftsman nuance of that culture/period that settles the whole thing. But no you jump

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Woodbridge Hills, Portage, MI 49024

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to the conclusion of probably the toughest and most important question of man kind ever asks as being 'no' because someone might have rounded down a little? Silly. I feel bad for you guys.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

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The Bible is the Word of God and was inerrant in that it was written precisely as God intended. Don't confuse the word of God with God himself. We don't worship a book.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Schoolcraft, MI 49087, USA

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It is the closest thing we have to the real truths of our existence. It should be revered and studied and loved. There is nothing more powerful and meaningful in text form.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Schoolcraft, MI 49087, USA

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@Kzoo - does the city of Tyre in current day Lebanon exist today?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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@Kzoo - are you a young earth creationist? how old do you believe the earth to be?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA 30045, USA

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I've probably asked you before, but I honestly can't remember. I have difficulty remembering which of you bible thumpers are complete lunatics vs only mildly delirious.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA 30045, USA

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Assuming the diameter was the correct measure, the error would have been over 2 feet. (1.1459 cubits), a cubit being some standard length of forearm to middle finger. Anyway, it would have been definitely measurable.

The Drew @ about 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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What does it matter how sophisticated measurement technology was at the time of the bible's writing? This is the word of god, for fúck's sake. I didn't think god relied on human technology.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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if you're a lawyer, writing a legal guide for laymen, whose language do you use?

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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anyway...this has been fun. trying to apply science to faith, or faith to science leads to silly arguments such as this. nobody wins.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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In my the Bible is to humanity as Jack and Jill is to a child

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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imo

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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...a silly book that you know is not real...but you're forced to read it and made to take away some lesson?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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No one is forcing him anymore racer. That was childhood, when it's easy to induct them into the cult...immature brains are easy to manipulate. So now, it's voluntary.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Is that why school children are taught the proven lie known as evolution?

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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Yes https://youtu.be/D0wwhSlo1NI

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Why does Tyre being brought up? It was a huge wealthy Phoenician city back then. The original city (called Old Tyre) stood on a island half a mile off shore. It was considered impregnable/etc. A causeway was constructed between the shore and island

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

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Notice the city is called New Tyre or Sur. The sea covered Tyre. Can't rebuild it as it was. The rest of the prophecy given was fulfilled as well. With Alexander, Nebuchadnezzar etc.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

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Bats aren't birds.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Dacula, GA 30019, USA

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The mustard seed isn't the smallest of all seeds.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Dacula, GA 30019, USA

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Pi isn't 3

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Dacula, GA 30019, USA

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Tyre still exists.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Dacula, GA 30019, USA

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Tyre http://goo.gl/maps/qT4CM

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Dacula, GA 30019, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

The bible isn't inerrant.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Dacula, GA 30019, USA

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http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/asia/lb.htm

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Lawrenceville, GA 30045, USA

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Your a raving mad idiot.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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No the Tyre of the Bible does not exist. That's like saying Brooklyn still exists after Long Island disappears under the water/sand but Jersey City changes its name to Brooklyn. Therefor Brooklyn still exists? Preposterous.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

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Seriously racer this is intellectually dishonest. You believe in lies to justify your Bible/God hatred

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

Oh wait I found the verse in Matthew that talks of the mustard seed. So the mustard seed was the smallest seed that that culture used and he called it as such. Tge snallest one that Palestinian farmers used. So what?

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

Tge snallest=The smallest

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

He was speaking their language. How would it go for him to say "oh hey there is a plant growing somewhere else you've never heard of our seen in your lives that has this dust like seed it's called an Orchid seed" john- "but wait it's a young goat?"

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

Matthew - "oh man a plant that grows livestock! And the seed is like dust?" Jesus -"guys guys, no... " shakes head... "forget it I'll come up with another analogy for the small amount of faith I was talking about"

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

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If it was Jesus wouldn't he find a way to communicate with the people in a way they could understand? He was the son of god, right?

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Occam's Razor would suggest that the mustard seed was the smallest seed known to the guys who wrote the book. So they called it that. Simple.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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see you in hell

YOU'VE BEEN WHITELASHED! @ about 2 years ago

North Royalton, OH, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

Occams razor gets too many things wrong.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

I agree with it in principle. But if you apply it to this you would have to ignore the contextual facts. Which isn't what is meant by the theory.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

He did find a way to communicate to them. He used a mustard seed as an analogy.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Schoolcraft, MI, USA

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Doc Evil was using it to agree with you, Kzoo.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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She suggested it was an error or made up by the guys who wrote it in my estimation.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Schoolcraft, MI 49087, USA

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quit making up excuses for shït the bible got wrong

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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it's supposedly the inerrant word of the most intelligent being in the universe

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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it shouldn't be ambiguous or vague...or plain wrong.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

is this the standard you set for the creator of the universe? that's such a low bar

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

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" He told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed,which a man took and planted in his field.32 Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants..." Matthew 13:31-32

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+13:31-32

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Good didn't have to mention the mustard seed whatsoever. He could have used a better analogy. he didn't. He chose to speak about this particular seed...and what he said was incorrect.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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The deity you worship...the one you claim to be omniscient...was wrong. period

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Quit trying to make excuses.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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he chose to speak...and what he said was factually inaccurate

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

it was errant

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

No it's not. Does a farmer plant crops with smaller seeds? No. So why would a farmer be planting anything with a smaller seed? Seed was for farming or crops. Let alone a farmer in palestine at that time. Secondly it is a parable. An example.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Schoolcraft, MI 49087, USA

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Meant to relay a lesson. You have been proven wrong about this seed issue and Tyre. It would be in your best interest not to continue this it's silly.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Schoolcraft, MI 49087, USA

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There are aslo plenty of logical explanations for Pi in the Bible.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Virginia Downs, MI 49087, USA

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Amazing how you are so sure about your interpretation.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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...And what your god meant by it, to whom this god was directing his remarks.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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It was very clear in Matthew. Doesn't take interpretation.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Schoolcraft, MI 49087, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Read your own words!

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Which seed in use in the region at the time were smaller? Ahmad, you said God could have made a better analogy. Why don't you make a better one, or are you only morally superior?

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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Read your bible. He doesn't say it's the smallest of all GARDEN seeds. Jesus says it's the smallest of ALL seeds. He's wrong. Your Lord and savior is wrong.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Matthew 13:32 " Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants..."

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

He clearly had no problem differentiating the plant that grows from the seed. He didn't say "...when it grows, its the largest of ALL plants." He made the distinction "...when it grows, its the largest of all GARDEN plants".

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

But, he failed to make that same distinction regarding the seed. why? Because he wasn't god. He wad just another primitive man who thought that it was the smallest of ALL seeds...just like he said.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

None of the primitive men he was speaking to questioned it at the time. They too believed it to be the smallest of all seeds. Unfortunately for these donkey riders, modern science shows us the mustard seed it's not the smallest of all seeds.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Your god is wrong. Your bible is wrong. Admit it, and quit believing in fairy tales.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

No one at the time even considered a dust like seed to be a seed, let alone know about it. Most people today wouldn't consider an orchids seed a seed. You don't make any sense. You said He could have made a better analogy so you must know of one, or

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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else you prove yourself a liar once again. Let's hear it.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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So you admit that it was people that wrote the bible...people who wrote about what they saw and what they knew? That's a step in the right direction.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

I'm talking about the audience. Even today who would consider the orchid a seed other than a botanist?The overwhelming majority of people wouldn't. Seems more like pollen. Are you ignorant of the concept of a proverb?

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Are you all knowing about proverbs?

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Just admit you're wrong.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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The most important sentence of the bible is the first. The language couldn't be more clear.

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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God created time-space and the universe.

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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prove it

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Monroe, GA 30656, USA

75c0efaa27986c943c72b78a0fa61431

the universe exists. How do you think that happened?

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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Really? I said it before and I'll say it again: just because you don't understand how stuff works doesn't mean that the answer has a supernatural basis.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

It's like hearing a sound in the next room, knowing no one is in there, and concluding it must be a ghost.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

People used to worship the sun. They didn't know what it was, but a large fiery ball suspended in and moving across the sky seemed supernatural.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

Occams razor says God exists because it's the simplest because what you promote is more complicated right? Anyway...it's the same thing for us when people like you guys talk about this. You don't understand it. Then spout this crap. I do understand

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Schoolcraft, MI 49087, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

how things work according to our current scientific understanding. Doesn't mean it is right. Just means it's the best explanation according to the rules set forth by science in our corporeal view. Which is fine.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Schoolcraft, MI 49087, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

You don't understand how the universe came to exist, specifically. It is not nonsense to say that the there does not have to be a supernatural explanation.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Neither one of us knows for sure, of course. But you imply that a supernatural explanation is the only viable one. I disagree.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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SUPERNATURAL : (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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The Big Bang is by definition a supernatural theory.

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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no it isn't

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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you just used a poor definition

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

SUPERNATURAL. 1 : of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible or observable universe

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

To suggest that anything that science doesn't understand is by default supernatural is disingenuous

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

@kzoo- god is certainly not the simplest definition for the origin of the universe. It's simply the one you prefer.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

The existence of an eternal omnipotent deity raises far more scientific questions than it settles.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

The argument for the existence of a supernatural deity has no basis in reality. There is zero empirical evidence to support such a claim, and as such, it should be summarily dismissed.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

75c0efaa27986c943c72b78a0fa61431

Even using your own definiton the Big Bang is supernatural because the physics required have not been oberserves anywhere. Adherence to that theory takes as much faith as believing in divinity.

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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Your very being is testament to the existence of God. "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork."

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

I'll ask again. Ahmad, you said God could have made a better analogy regarding the mustard seed. That would mean you know a better one. Are you going to share it or should we conclude you were lying again?

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

i can answer that one. if jesus was god he could have said this... " holy #### guys you should see the orchid seed, you don't even know how small it is because you have never seen it!"

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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"holy ####ing #### I also forgot I made kangaroos, you will never see them in your lifetime because I put them on a completely separate island but holy #### check it out!"

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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"Oh yeah im going to come back in the year 2025, get your #### together before then."

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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"lol watch me smote these romanz guize!"

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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Unlike you, Josh. I didn't realize you and Racer were such good buddies...weird. But your response is fatally flawed. Besides, let's hear Racer's response.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

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But, my Koran, given to men by the same vengeful desert diety, says...

et in Arcadia ego @ about 2 years ago

Maybrook, NY 12543, USA

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

well our relationship is quite complicated, we disagree on everything except for pretty much this one thing i think.

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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the fact is jesus was wrong about the size of the smallest seed, what this means is that he knew about as much as the average man of that time knew. and to be god you have to be a little more than average.

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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you also have to have your second coming when you say you will and you have to not be such a prick.

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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your problem is you take every sentence as if it has no context, that it can be responded to appropriately and not affect anything you have ever said, its how you got into trouble with the terrorist/samson thread.

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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when you defend your religion inconsistently like this you open yourself up with each new statement, your god is created in the moment every time you respond,

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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you are giving god your own voice. and that's why god isn't real. because everything that has ever been said about him was made up on the spot by a person just trying to talk his way out of a contradiction.

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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when westboro says god hates ####s, when inexorable says god doesn't hate ####s, he just hates #### marriage and when rob portman of ohio says "oh well now that my son is gay I believe in the overall message of love."

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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your bible was written the same way by the same humans and that's why it gets into trouble.

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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my grandfather who is an agnostic tried to say that to say one is atheist is arrogant because it is a definite knowledge about an unknowable.

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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but it isn't about that, through the bible I know that christianity is wrong through the koran I know that islam is wrong and through the torah I know that judaism is wrong. all the other religions are proven wrong

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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as well but when every religion has proved itself wrong what does it matter what you call yourself, the fact is that the chance that there is a god (not God, because that god isn't real) is so small it doesn't matter.

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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that being said i don't have a problem with religion, i have a problem with delaying progress, i'm a progressive remember? i love liberal christians, quakers are awesome!

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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the thing is in a progressing society you must change or die and liberal Christians are really the only thing keeping your god alive.

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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Jesus was not wrong about the mustard seed. It was the perfect analogy for the time and the audience. God is right on schedule. Christ will return at the appointed hour. Because some expected Him sooner is irrelevant. People have been wrong about

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

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His return since He ascended. People have been wrong, not Him.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

My words about The Bible have always been consistent with my prior statements and The Bible. I'm sorry you don't see the difference between God empowering Samson with superhuman strength and some Muslims crashing planes into a building. Anyone,

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

especially at that time, could have used box cutters to hijack a plane. There's nothing supernatural about it.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

All your beliefs about supposed Bible errors are wrong, and easily shown so. God doesn't need anyone to "keep Him alive." That statement is ridiculous. The idea that God is preventing progress is even more ridiculous. Do I need to go into how

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

godless governments and their citizens have fared?

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

I'm disappointed in you, Acadia. Only the uninformed would claim Christians and Moslems worship the same God.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

No sweat. Jesus: "Though it is a small seed, yet when it grows, it is a large garden plant..." BAM...I'm smarter than your god.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

All seeds are small...FAIL. Try again.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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This is still going on?

The Drew @ about 2 years ago

Murray Hill, New York, NY

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No need to try again. My statement was factually accurate. God's wasn't. I'm intellectually superior to your deity.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

You're just too ignorant to realize how dumb you really are.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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"All seeds are small." -Angelus Lodoicea maldivica, Coco de Mer has a seed that can reach 1 foot in length and weigh up to 40 pounds.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I'm also intellectually superior to you.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Fail, dummy. http://www.rarepalmseeds.com/pix/LodMal.shtml

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Have you ever made a factually accurate statement? Why do you insist on always doubling down on your own stupidity?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

oh my goodness! I must not be real! I was speaking in general to an audience who didn't know about some giant nut.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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I would expect you to be an expert on giant nuts...based solely on the quantity that have rested upon your chin.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Wow now racer sounds like the old Angilius. Any thoughts as to how the universe came to exist? Or how life spontaneously started?

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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You insinuate that having a penis in your mouth is degrading with which I agree. Why do you brag about your wife and daughters ability to perform fellatio? Doesn't seem moral to me. You must have been lying again when you said you were moral.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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Actually I think Angilius is both Angelus and The New Racer X.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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racer sounds like racer when inexorable was around.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

mhmm, interesting. The conspiracies are mounting.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

Evil, I've never been a spoofer. You'll notice I immediately assumed my original identity when I could do so without being banned. I confessed to those characters before there was any suspicion that I was them.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

You yourself said, "well played." I assumed that meant you had no idea. Racer/Ahmad is a clown. I've never espoused such ignorant opinions. My characters were all conservative and believed in God.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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So what.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

So I'm not racer, that's what. Try and keep up.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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but you could be inexorable or wv conservative.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

or racer.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Similarity in characters is not evidence of anything. wtf.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

Similarity in character was one facet of my argument. Must be toomuch for you to process at once. Underwater, scroll a few posts up. How long have you been around? After switching to iPhone I came back and had lengthy, unfriendly exchanges with WV.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

I believe he admitted to being a spoof. Initially I was leaning towards it being Josh/Adam, but it could have been Inex or anyone.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

Being gone for so long, I missed WV when he came on the scene. I missed the indicators that might have made it possible to ascertain WV's original identity.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

why do you care so much? it's almost obsessive.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Because he's an ignorant hypocrite whose arguments can't stand on their own merit.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Greater Valley Brook, Scottdale, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

The admitted spoofer is suddenly concerned about spoofing.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Greater Valley Brook, Scottdale, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

I point out the obvious flaws in his logic, and his response isn't to defend his position...but to make baseless accusations against his opponents.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Greater Valley Brook, Scottdale, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

His circular reasoning and baseless claims are indefensible. This is his only recourse.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Leafmore-Creek Park Hill, North Decatur, GA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

Unless you're a liberal you would understand why character and integrity matter "so much." You fall to point out anything and don't know what logic is. You detract from the truth and ignore facts as of they are irrelevant. It's important to expose

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Endwell, NY, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

But you can't defeat my argument, so you attempt to discredit me personally by accusing me of being someone else. This is not only erroneous, but completely irrelevant to the debate.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

you for the troll you are.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Endwell, NY, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

It's a loser's argument, and shows how weak your position is.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

The bible isn't inerrant. It's full of obvious lies, contradictions, and physical impossiblities. You're a gullible fool for believing it.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Your attempts to create explanations for the biblical errors have failed miserably, so you're attempting to divert attention from your shortcomings.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Unfortunately, your attempts at distraction have also failed. You are a failure.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

I've shown each and every argument you've made for the rubbish it is. I've only failed according to you, but you're a moron.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Endwell, NY, USA

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No you've failed according to almost everyone who's read these threads.

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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i agree with racer that there are plenty of errors, hypocrisies, and untruths in the bible.

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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But I don't think that in any way, shape or form disproves the existence of God.

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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It just means Christians are not the best at writing books.

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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i am actually everyone here, i created this site and i keep the conversation going. this is the lost episode of the outer limits that never finished being written.

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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actually there is something incredibly supernatural about a couple hijackers taking over entire planes full of people and hitting high profile targets while the most intrusive government in the world didn't expect it.

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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it would seem they accomplished a feat much more powerful than one guy knocking down a couple pillars and killing a bunch of women and children when the building collapsed.

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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and we actually know 9-11 happened, samson, not so much.

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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The government played the jihadist like their puppets. Wake up. The government was behind it. They tried to knock them down in '93. Used an imam to manipulate a couple of literally retarded muslims into turning their van into a bomb and parking it in

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

the basement. ahmads were so dumb they made the bomb wrong and parked the van on the wrong spot. Then they tried to try the imam, but unbeknownst to them the imam recorded the meetings with the FBI. The imams won a multi-million dollar settlement and

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

moved to Egypt. Look it up. Want picked up by the main stream media like it should have been because obviously the media are lap dogs. I've talked about this before. Look it up. NYT ran a story about it.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

There are no errors in The Bible. If you choose not to believe it's probably because you haven't put on the time to do the research. People like racer reject God for two reasons: They are dumb/pig-headed and don't want to give up their sinful lives.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

The bible doesn't pass any tests of scrutiny for its validity. As stated previously...claiming the bible is true because the bible says it's true is circular reasoning.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

You have nothing.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

This dialogue isn't progressing, and we're just repeating ourselves.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

You have no intention of evaluating the evidence, and are willing to believe any ridiculous claim that supports biblical principles, regardless of the mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

There is no reasoning with you.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

The only positive outcome of this thread it's that you've been exposed, again, for the lunatic that you are, and your entire position has suffered as a result of your support for it.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Thank god religion is dying.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

So saith the Moron!

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Town of Union, NY, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Nice deflection of the actual argument. Can't say that I blame you for avoiding the debate. I wouldn't want to try to defend your position, either.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30087, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Your argument has no basis in reality. You belief has no merit.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30087, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith the Moron, I will pour out stupidity upon all Votermap. (The Book of Ahmad)

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Town of Union, NY, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

That book is true.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

Truly stupid.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Town of Union, NY, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

That's why it's called "faith". You gotta have it to believe in stuff you can't see, touch, hear, smell, taste, or otherwise prove in any way.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

South St Anthony, St Paul, MN

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

what i just witnessed was racer turning angelus back into the old angilius in what i suppose was several weeks. he does seem to be superior to god.

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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again...this is what he did with inexorable. going for a repeat performance, racer? I don't think I've ever seen angelus in full meltdown mode though.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Breaking fundamentalist Christians (those who believe in the inerrant, literal word of the bible) is a simple task. Just quote the bible.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

They've devoted, in some cases, their entire lives to the belief that their religion is true. They have no psychological coping mechanism to deal with the reality that it's all a scam and a lie.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

It causes synapses to misfire within their brain, and they begin desperately trying to explain that the word had been misread, or misquoted, or that this particular verse is a parable, and thus not to be taken literally.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

They cannot accept the fact that the bible itself is the best proof against the possibility of Christianity being valid.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

The bible is so full of errors, contradictions, and physical impossiblities that once it's read...the ridiculousness of it all becomes glaringly obvious.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Unfortunately, fundamentalist Christians (particularly Young Earth Creationists like Angelus) have gone "all in" on their bet.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Their life has become so completely and utterly invested in the validity of their religion, that they simple cannot accept the undeniable reality that it's all bullshït.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

They cannot argue logically to support their cause, so they have no other recourse than to lash out insanely at their opponents. They quickly suffer mental breakdowns, and become the best possible support against their own cause.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Don't get me wrong...I have zero expectation that these people will ever admit their defeat or change their stance on religion. But they do serve a bigger purpose.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

They help to win the undecided people over to agnosticism and atheism. People unsure of what they believe will witness a debate like this, and determine that religion is irrational.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Open discussion of religion will inevitably lead a rational thinker to atheism.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

The internet will be the death of religion.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

thank god

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA

Eae801e1796256f6fa36c012423936f7

So saith the Moron!

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

If it is so obvious why do so many lie about what it contains? The only way it is so 'wrong' is if you put all logical reasoning aside / take things out of context then plug your ears to any possible explanation. I haven't been paying attention to

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

this whole thread between you and angelus but make no mistake that is what you are doing.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

okay...if you want to keep this up, so be it

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Clarkston, GA, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

You say. 'they cannot argue logically' and when they do you ignore it/switch topics/attack something else. Don't pretend you are some sage of reason. You are not.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Why does god think bats are birds? Start your ridiculous explanation.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

DeKalb County, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

@kzoo - how old do you believe the earth to be?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Decatur, GA 30032, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

in which crazy camp do you pitch your tent?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Decatur, GA 30032, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

are you a biblical literalist?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Decatur, GA 30032, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

Did the modern biological category exist when the Bible was written? Did thr Hebrews call bats... Birds?

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

Guess what they did. No one considered bats as mammals or different from birds in that era as far as I know.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

All flying animals were considered birds.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

Your biggest arguments are semantics that can be explained without logical leaps.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

1. Bats aren't birds. 2. The bible says bats are birds. I rest my case.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Grant Park, Atlanta, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

The most intelligent being in the universe didn't have to repeat the stupidity of the primitive men who wrote the bible.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Grant Park, Atlanta, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

He could have either corrected their error...or ignore the subject altogether. Instead, this omniscient being decided to repeat their error.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Grant Park, Atlanta, GA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

And I rest mine. You are the ridiculous logic one here. It's obvious. You aren't even thinking. The Bible and belief in God does require faith. Don't forget that. Not everything is explainable. Nor could we even comprehend everything if God were

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

That makes him both errant and stupid.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Grant Park, Atlanta, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Your desperate attempts to explain away his error and stupidity only show you for the gullible sheep you are.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Grant Park, Atlanta, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Let's move on, shall we? Obvious biblical contradiction time.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Grant Park, Atlanta, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Grant Park, Atlanta, GA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

to site down and explain it. It was designed this way. It is how the wheat is separated from the chaff. We are on a need to know basis with God. He owes us nothing. He is God. Every human adjective to describe him falls short in every way.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

So while athiests scoff at his "murdering" or meanness or *fill in the blank.... They are wrong. Why? Because he is God. He knows more and has thought about his actions more he comprehends more.. The list goes on... More than any human possibly could

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

It is beyond our capability as humans to get it. Don't you understand this? God is responsible for everything around you and you being the ant in the ant farm don't get it. (you are not alone no one understand it fully)

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

So the Bible addresses the most important things...a book written for ants to help them understand the important things. Yet you are worried about bats and birds because 4000-6000 years ago your fellow ant society hadn't come up with a better word

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

For a flying mammal.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

It doesn't matter what you think or what logic you have based on your tiny little hole in the ground you formed around you with elements and atoms God created. Nothing changes the fact that He is God.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

The Bible was written for a people of a certain time. So nuances can get lost or need further study. If it was written today he'd probably lay down a few thousand scientific articles with math and science we haven't even imagined but dumbed down

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

enough for us to get the idea. Then we would spend the next mileniums or 4 or 6 debating it.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

5fb3e45b2dc289fc4a8e939347da4cf8

Kzoo - That is cute and all. But what you fail to grasp is that those who haven't chosen your lifestyle choice and mythology don't share your pessimistic and negative views of ourselves. I know I don't feel as worthless and you do.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

5fb3e45b2dc289fc4a8e939347da4cf8

Further, I don't scoff at your god. I mock a subset of those who believe in it (and other gods as well) when they do the dance you do to maintain the mythology. The Bible was written for a certain time by humans who knew very little about the world.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

You say god is wise beyond measure. You say the bible is the Word of god. You say god is infallible. I show you a clear and obvious error in the bible.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

90-116 Georgia 42, Atlanta, GA 30316

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

You reply that god is so smart that we can't understand him. No. That's not true. I understand just fine.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

90-116 Georgia 42, Atlanta, GA 30316

5fb3e45b2dc289fc4a8e939347da4cf8

They did their best. But rather than acknowledge that, your type has had to tack on convoluted explanations to keep up this act that it isn't just fable and myth intended to teach a lesson but instead fact and history.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

The claim that bats are birds is blatantly wrong. Why would an omniscient being say that? Why would he repeat the error of the primitive man of the age? That's stupid.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

90-116 Georgia 42, Atlanta, GA 30316

5fb3e45b2dc289fc4a8e939347da4cf8

Again, it is only a subset that push that spin. And it only a subset that aggressively attack others for not being as pessimistic as them. And it is only a subset who scream "persecution!" when their attacks are resisted.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

5fb3e45b2dc289fc4a8e939347da4cf8

I sadly must make that clarification to avoid being labeled as bigoted by those with the martyr fetish.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

If it was improperly translated, that creates a whole new conundrum. What else in the bible is mistranslated? Can we trust the reliability of any of it?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Druid Hills, Atlanta, GA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

these "discussions" make it clear why objectivity is required for critical thought and the scientific process. not many arguing here have the ability to be objective or scientific about this topic.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Old Town Torrance, Torrance, CA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Is there scientific evidence supporting the existence of a deity?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Scottdale, GA, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

what scientific evidence would prove to you that there is a god outside of it appearing before your very eyes?

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5fb3e45b2dc289fc4a8e939347da4cf8

Which god? The first step would be to clearly define the deity being investigated.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Any empirical evidence...for any deity? Anything measurable and demonstrable?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Scottdale, GA, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Paul, any god

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Elmhurst, IL, USA

5fb3e45b2dc289fc4a8e939347da4cf8

AMi - Do you feel that qualifies as being clearly defined?

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Ok let's go with Zeus

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Northlake, IL, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

before even asking for empirical evidence, one MUST ask oneself "can I be objective about the results? do I have any biases or preconceived notions regarding the question?"

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

This article suggests that the Universe is timeless as we know it....just like a god...maybe not the Christian God but a god all the same http://m.phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Northlake, IL, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

if you say no to the first and/or yes to the second; then you won't be able to address the question scientifically.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

the question in this thread is not about the existence or non-existence of a deity, but whether the bible has internal or external inconsistencies.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

if you have a bias one way or another, it will be nigh on impossible to discuss it objectively. racer appears to have an "inconsistency" bias, while kzoo and angelus appear to have a "consistency" bias. if these biases hold true...

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

...the resulting discussion will be purely popcorn fodder.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

anyone want some popcorn?

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

@AMI- how does a timeless universe prove the existence of a deity? There is no correlation there whatsoever.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Clarkston, GA, USA

5fb3e45b2dc289fc4a8e939347da4cf8

AMi - Does the word "Zeus" alone clearly define that deity? Based on this app, Zeus could be a head of lettuce. A hyper emotional head of lettuce.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

@Undrwater- have I stated anything that's factually inaccurate on this thread regarding biblical errors?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I never used the word prove. But a timeless universe is something beyond our imagination as well. It reduces the audacity of believing in a god.

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Northlake, IL, USA

5fb3e45b2dc289fc4a8e939347da4cf8

As your usage re: the link you provided shows, the word "god" is far to open ended. It rarely has a clear definition. Thus is becomes impossible to talk about evidence for it.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

5fb3e45b2dc289fc4a8e939347da4cf8

Anyone can hit a bullseye if they get to draw it after the fact around where the arrow hit.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

@AMI - again. no correlation to the existence of a deity.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Do you have any empirical (measurable, observable) evidence for the existence of the Christian god of the bible?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

In the absence of evidence to support a claim, it shouldn't be believed.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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You have stated inaccuracies. Claiming the calling of a bat a bird in the Bible an error is an intellectual dishonesty and false. Undrwater I am very open to reasonable discussion but racer doesn't have a reasonable bone in his body in regards

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

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God. He's blind as a bat. Pun intended.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

I do recognize my biases, he doesn't.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

Every single error has a very sound explanation. The only potential errors that can be in there are likely scribe errors. Even then the statistical textual integrity of the Bible is off the charts compared to any other historical record.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

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I disagree Kzoo. The god-exists bias is very strong in you but I don't think you see it. Nothing wrong with having that bias if you recognize it. As you say.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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The science of statistics alone indicate a God or creator. Not just random happenstance yet this isn't good enough. For instance.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/why-the-earth-will-never-be-invaded_b_6879216.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

I am biased towards the existence of God Racer is biased towards atheism which is why we see a timeless universe so differently

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Northlake, IL, USA

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How does a timeless universe prove the existence of god? Explain that logical leap.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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@Kzoo - how does that article prove the existence of god? Another logical leap.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

You keep using the word prove as if I ever did. I never claimed it was. But to believe that such a space exists outside without an equally timeless energy (god) is illogical to me

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Elmhurst, IL, USA

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Okay...how does your article indicate the existence of god?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Kzoo - Lanza peddles woo. He routinely invokes the lottery fallacy when he steps outside his expertise to talk about quantum-this and quantum-that.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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So...your entire argument is the 'God Of The Gaps Logical Fallacy'. You don't know something...so god must be the answer.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

That's a big fail.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

5fb3e45b2dc289fc4a8e939347da4cf8

And that WSJ article he cites is also riddled with errors. Many actual scientists have expressed their disagreement with that author's (not a scientist) conclusions.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

That wasn't the purpose of the article. It doesn't indicate the lack of existence either.

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Elmhurst, IL, USA

5fb3e45b2dc289fc4a8e939347da4cf8

Timeless energy? What does that even mean? I guess it is illogical to believe in a universe without The Force.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

That's not the only article talking about the statistical improbability of our existence. That is just a recent one.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

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What is gained by labeling anything and everything we don't currently have a solid answer for with the term "god"? What use is saddling it with all the baggage that word carries?

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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The only use I can see is to have something you can point to and say it is proof. If there is another reason I would like to hear it.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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Yes evil I'm responding in kind to the anti god fervor from racer. I know i am. There is enough evidence to believe. It is solely whether you are open to it or not. And yes faith. It is the guiding hand to who will be saved and who will not.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

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Before you can discuss salvation, you need to establish that God exists. you have failed to do so

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

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Again I ask, do you have any empirical evidence for the existence of God?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

It is so by design. Why? No one knows. Because we aren't God. You will not receive straight unwavering empirical evidence besides everything around you. That's the way it works..at least until the end.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

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Faith is belief in something without good reason. I have little use for it.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Tucker, GA, USA

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the author was unable to overcome his own bias in order to be objective. he was unwilling to accept the possibility of not-God.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Torrance, CA, USA

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So you think.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

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kzoo, your own bias hindered you from seeing the possible flaws in his arguments, or perhaps accepting any criticism of his work. you've accepted your bias. this is it at work.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Torrance, CA, USA

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racer, I never questioned your accuracy, only your bias.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Torrance, CA, USA

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as for proof...what does it mean? do scientists say they proved anything?

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Torrance, CA, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

no...they provide empirical evidence for their theories

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

DeKalb County, GA

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if you are claiming that a deity exists...the burden of proof lies with you to provide evidence to support your claim. otherwise, it should be dismissed as not credible

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

DeKalb County, GA

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I'm stating that I haven't been provided sufficient evidence to believe the claim of the existence of god. I am unconvinced

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

DeKalb County, GA

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that's not true, it should be deemed as unverifiable

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Kzoo - That isn't the only article to use the lottery fallacy. It is only one of the most recent ones. They all fail in similar ways. They tend to wrongly assume a conclusion is THE conclusion.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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I have not been hindered by my bias. I considered the errors he presented and summarily debunked them as being non-errors

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

5fb3e45b2dc289fc4a8e939347da4cf8

Using the lottery analogy, they mistake the odds for John Smith winning (which are low) for the odds of anyone winning (which are rather high). Or they find the winner after the fact and declare it predestined based on the the lower odds.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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It is my bullseye comment from earlier all over again.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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-most likely. And he just repeats himself and covers his eyes and ears. Talking the most and talking the loudest doesn't make you correct.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

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@AMI - what is unverifiable?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Sandy Springs, GA, USA

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@Kzoo - how old do you believe the earth to be? you keep dodging this question for some reason

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Sandy Springs, GA, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Racer, that God created the universe

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Or that the universe and God are intertwined

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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How did you make determination that it's unverifiable?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Sandy Springs, GA, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

I thought the guy was supposedly omnipotent.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Sandy Springs, GA, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

does not credible == not verifiable?

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Torrance, CA, USA

0eda15e8a4a685a0722949782c90e863

Exactly lack of verification is not equal to lack of credibility

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Addison, IL, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

I don't have a strong opinion on the age of the earth. It's not really important to me.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

I've heard the 4k and many many varying estimates from the scientific community.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

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kzoo, I showed my own bias earlier by not reading the article. here's a quote from it now that I've read it: "A scientific theory, biocentrism, provides the explanation -- and predicts we're alone. "

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Torrance, CA, USA

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no prediction of God.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Torrance, CA, USA

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On and on and on. What gets solved? Nothing. Believers believe and non believers don't. No argument is going to change that. I don't have empirical evidence of George Washington either. But .............

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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AMi - It should be noted that Zeus doesn't fit the timeless energy idea of a god. And western religions tend to view their gods as external creators while eastern ones use a universe=god idea.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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I just find it amusing how with almost every post you reinforce the need for the clear definition I called for before.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

Yeah I didn't say the article talked about God. It was just one of many that talked about the statistical probability of our existence.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

5fb3e45b2dc289fc4a8e939347da4cf8

Yeah, my response didn't mention gods. It addressed the error in the assumptions they use to support the statistics. The probably of OUR existence is not the same as the probability for life in general.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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That is a very important distinction that you appear to be willfully ignoring, Kzoo. My lottery analogy explains it. Did you read it? Understand it? Ignore it?

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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@Kzoo - you've heard someone in the scientific community state the Earth's age as 4,000 years?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Perimeter Center, Sandy Springs, GA

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@PLC- you're fücking kidding, right? No empirical evidence of the existence of George Washington?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Brookhaven, GA, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Oh, the ignorance!

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Brookhaven, GA, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

holy shït, your stupidity is glaring and hilarious

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Atlanta, GA 30360, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

That's absolutely the funniest shït I've heard...possibly ever.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Atlanta, GA 30360, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

" Empirical evidence is information that justifies a belief in the truth or falsity of a claim. In the empiricist view, one can claim to have knowledge only when one has a true belief based on empirical evidence. "

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

South Redondo, Redondo Beach, CA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

that's from Wikipedia...take it for what it's worth. I just figured it as coming next. ;-)

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

South Redondo, Redondo Beach, CA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

I like this one better: " Empirical evidence is information acquired by observation or experimentation. This data is recorded and analyzed by scientists and is a central process as part of the scientific method. "

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

South Redondo, Redondo Beach, CA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

I was responding to undrwater paul

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

that's from livesvience.com

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

South Redondo, Redondo Beach, CA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Empirical evidence is that which is demonstrably true, measurable or observable.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

DeKalb County, GA

866c340350f5840e74b995be7448cd17

This is one of the reasons i dont like this app. It's a bunch of people yelling at once in the same room.

Kzoo @ about 2 years ago

Texas charter Township, MI, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

http://community.dur.ac.uk/rosalyn.roberts/Evidence/cofev.htm

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

DeKalb County, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

https://explorable.com/empirical-evidence

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Atlanta, GA 30340, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Jesus Fücking Rodriguez

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Atlanta, GA 30340, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Obviously you don't understand the definition of empirical. I'm not surprised.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/empirical

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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one of us clearly doesn't

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett Village, GA, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

oh, the stupidity

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett Village, GA, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Is it your position, PLC, that empirical evidence doesn't exist for the existence of George Washington?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett Village, GA, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

this is classic

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Norcross, GA 30093, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

"originating in or based on observation or experience"

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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I'm sure your dumb ass think you know more than the dictionary as well. Your over inflated gay ego wont allow otherwise.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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Is it your position that empirical evidence doesn't exist for the existence of George Washington?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Norcross, GA 30093, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

candy from a retarded baby

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Norcross, GA 30093, USA

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Kzoo - Got it. That is why I tend to begin with the persons handle to aim it. But did you see my earlier response re: the flaws in the stats?

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

D-O Y-O-U U-N-D-E-R-S-T-A-N-D T-H-E D-E-F-I-N-I-T-I-O-N O-F E-M-P-I-R-I-C-A-L?

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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So easy even a georgia redneck can understand

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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I'll wait for your answer. Feel free to throw in your typical gay references in the meantime. You do projection oh so well!

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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I present "Racer's" latest outburst as exhibit G(?). We all remember Ahmad's inability to play nice with others.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

yes. I do. I'm certain that you do not see...I answer questions. let's see if you're capable of doing the same, dummy

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Is it your position that empirical evidence doesn't exist for the existence of George Washington?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Squirm, dummy, squirm

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

this shït is E-A-S-Y

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

I will answer your question after you verify that you understand the definition of empirical. I want to make sure the dumb ass I'm talking to is as dumb as I think he is.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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Should I provide you with more definitions?

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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Apparently it's not that easy to you.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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no. you should quit dodging the question, dummy

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Is it your position that empirical evidence doesn't exist for the existence of George Washington?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

keep squirming, dummy

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

is this VM Retard Day?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

It must be. You're here. Again.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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Entiende la definición de empírica ?

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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Maybe that'll help.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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I TOLD y'all it was coming next!! B-)

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Redondo Beach, CA, USA

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you're gonna wanna keep deflecting, dummy you're comically stupid

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Squirming? Are you really that stupid? Don't answer that. I already know. Your inability or unwillingness to answer gives me the answer I already know. You have been using a word you really don't understand. All day!

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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Is it your position that empirical evidence doesn't exist for the existence of George Washington?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

" I don't have empirical evidence of George Washington either" -PLC fücking classic!

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

It's not too late to claim to have misspoke. What's it gonna be, stupid?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Who the #### is deflecting? Do you understand the definition of empirical. We can go around this all day and night. I even provided you a link to make it easy for you. Are you that stupid?

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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I don't have empirical evidence. Because I understand the definition of empirical. Do you?

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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I have as much empirical evidence of GW as any of these guys have of god.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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If you stopped long enough to realize what you were saying, you might be able to understand that. But youre too busy being a dick to take notice.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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HAHAHA!

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

If you misspoke you misspoke. It wont be your first time. But it would be the first time youve admitted it.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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Holy shït, I didn't think you'd take the bait! That's what I get for giving you credit for any semblance of intelligence.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

Allow me to mentally rape you now.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

You're gonna want to lay still.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

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This is going to hurt.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

A lot

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Gwinnett County, GA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

You love the gay references. Idiots do that. To cover for deeper ####.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/connections/george-washington/file.html

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Braselton, GA 30517, USA

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http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gwhtml/gwhome.html

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Braselton, GA 30517, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Like I thought. You dont understand the meaning of empirical. LMMFPRAO!!!! Thank you. Now go rape yourself. Again

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gwhtml/gwabout.html#I

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Hoschton, GA 30548, USA

125e03ff143e887a8bee577895339921

http://www.mountvernon.org/research-collections/digital-encyclopedia/article/the-tomb/

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Hoschton, GA 30548, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

More non empirical evidence. Thats awesome. Thanks for proving my point. Over and over again. I guess the dumb redneck stories are true.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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There are fücking mountains of empirical evidence proving the existence of George Washington, you goddåmn idiot.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jackson County, GA

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Historical records, his personal affects, his written papers, thousands of letters to and from his contemporaries, his corpse, etc...

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jackson County, GA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

How sad. When you learn big words you should actually learn what they mean as well. Spelling alone isn't doing it for you.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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You have just proven yourself to be absolutely fücking retarded.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jackson County, GA

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Get the fück out of here, you stupid imbecile.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jackson County, GA

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I don't think you understand the meaning of "empirical evidence," Ahmad. Please stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

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He obviously doesnt. It's a mixture of funny and sad.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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holy shït! dumb dumb is doubling down on his stupidity!!!

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jackson County, GA

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Are you now stating that Washington's corpse isn't empirical evidence of his existence?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jackson County, GA

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HAHAHA!!!

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jackson County, GA

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oh your fücking god, this is awesome!

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jackson County, GA

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stop drooling. You've embarrassed yourself enough. Either apologize or walk away. Your continued defense of something you obviously know nothing about is pathetic.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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the delicious irony of this guy trekking me that I don't understand empirical evidence

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jackson County, GA

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Christ, I hope you don't delete these posts when you finally figure out how fücking stupid you are.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jefferson, GA 30549, USA

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Which.................you.................don't

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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"Historical records, personal effects, written papers, thousands of letters"... like The Bibm le? Are you arguing for the existence of George Washington or God?

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

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PLEASE continue!

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jefferson, GA 30549, USA

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You've seen his corpse? ####ing awesome! I always knew you were an old fart. but damn!

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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keep telling me how there's no empirical evidence for the existence of George Washington!

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jefferson, GA 30549, USA

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"Historical records, personal effects, written papers, thousands of letters" aren't empirical evidence

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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Keep telling me how you know what a four syllable word means. Better yet, keep telling yourself that.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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I don't know why I would expect you to understand it. A simple word like "faith" completely eludes you.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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I know what faith is. it means to believe something without a good reason. it's what stupid people do

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jefferson, GA, USA

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I bet you got loads of it

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jefferson, GA, USA

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Go buy a dictionary. It'll do you good.

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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Are fossils empirical evidence for the existence of dinosaurs?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jefferson, GA 30549, USA

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Do you understand the meaning of empirical?

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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"Empirical evidence is that which is demonstrably true, measurable or observable." Is this what you're sticking with?

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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Dude, the back of my hand hurts from slapping you around. I'm going for a brew. Have a good night. In the meantime, check this out. It's a new thing. click here> google.com

Taco Bowl @ about 2 years ago

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I'll have to scroll up and see what prompted Ahmad to take this thread off track. Someone find God?

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

547-595 County Road 33, Endwell, NY 13760

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@PLC- are fossils empirical evidence for the existence of dinosaurs?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Jackson County, GA

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what's funny is that plc is working you, racer. I doubt he cares about the veracity if his claims. I hope YOU'RE having fun.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Artesia, CA, USA

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I'm having a blast. This is a riot. This is the funniest thread I've seen in a long time.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I think he's a kook, and is demonstrably wrong...but he'll never admit it.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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It's the same as when he posted for weeks the lie about Smoke being gay. He doubled down on his lie, and was publicly made to look like an absolute fool.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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I love to hear the Jesus freaks stutter and stammer when they're asked to defend their irrational belief in god.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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The claims get more and more ridiculous. The George Washington shït was hysterical.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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The smart ones...like Skal...readily admit that their is no rational justification for their faith. That they simply believe because they want to believe.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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The dummies, on the other hand, are convinced that they can prove god exists. It's hilarious to watch them try.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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http://www.helena-arkansas.com/article/ZZ/20150325/NEWS/303259985/-1/family

[412035] @ about 2 years ago

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so does George Washington exist or not?

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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and as much as I genuinely despise PLC he did manage to flip the script on racer in a hurry.

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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Field trip to Mt. Vernon to open up the tomb?

Tjaden Froyda @ about 2 years ago

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That sort of evidence wouldn't be empiric enough, now would it? Could be anyone's bones...there must have been some sort of devious plot where someone other than George Washington was buried in his tomb.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 2 years ago

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I was embarrassed for racer. Hope he's ok.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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@Smoke - how exactly did he 'flip the script'?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Why? There is a tomb with Washington's bones in it and PLC is the one who doesn't think that's enough evidence that Washington existed. That's pants on head ...

Tjaden Froyda @ about 2 years ago

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The skeletal remains of George Washington are most definitely empirical evidence for the existence of George Washington.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Observation is a critical component of empirical evidence. That doesn't mean you had to witness the dinosaur while it lived. The fossil remains are empirical evidence for their existence.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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Are you suggesting that any event or person not witnessed first hand...in person...is unverifiable? This is fücking hilarious.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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You having a conversation with yourself is hilarious.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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You appeared to misuse empirical

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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how so?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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History is a great example of belief without empirical data. Another great example is morality....does morality exist despite the lack or empirical evidence.

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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?

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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I'm still trying to figure out what's worse. PLC's argument itself, or his confidence that he's making a valid, rational argument.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 2 years ago

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Should we do away with all philosophy because it cannot be tested and falsified?

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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now I'M being worked!

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Archaeology definitely uses empirical evidence to validate events.

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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@Smoke - how did I misuse empirical?

Racer X @ about 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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The definition was posted for you. Read it.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Vestal, NY 13850, USA

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bones in the Washington tomb would be empirical evidence for the question: "are there bones in Washington's tomb?", though I don't think it reaches the quality of empirical for the question: "are the bones in Washington's tomb actually Washington's?"

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

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I believe you'd need more supporting evidence in order to qualify it as empirical. so the confusion for me is; if a body of evidence is put forth as empirical, is it possible for each individual piece of that body to also be considered empirical

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

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I've had it with all of this crap, is golf any fun?

srorriM & ekomS @ about 2 years ago

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Only if you are a masochist

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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try SCUBA! :-)

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Is that you, "giraffes?, giraffes!"?

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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@undr - for historic events and people, empiric data saved in the form of records is all that's possible. The observations were made, just not directly by us. The challenge is the veracity of the data as it travels

Tjaden Froyda @ about 2 years ago

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Through time. Travel to mount Vernon sometime and it's easy to see how things have been preserved. Long story short, plc's argument is embarrassing.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 2 years ago

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No it's not. Could be lies. Undoubtedly, the historical George Washington is not the man, George Washington. Take for example, Mao and Stalin or even Chavez. There are such fabrications surrounding them on their respective countries that it's

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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impossible to know the true men. Is there ever one version of history? There simply is no way to empirically prove the existence of George Washington.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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All this mouth breathing and knuckle dragging is deafening.

Dr. Evil @ about 2 years ago

Downtown West, Minneapolis, MN

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Maybe you need to get out of the house then.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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skal, ok, so...records become empirical evidence AFTER their veracity is established?

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Madrona, Torrance, CA

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AND...I'd like to respectfully request that folks refrain from personal attacks on this subject.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Madrona, Torrance, CA

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@undr - only certain types. Birth and death records can certainly serve as confirmation someone existed. Likewise with facts, like "he served as general" or "was first president". Accounts of historical events are

Tjaden Froyda @ about 2 years ago

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Subjective and less reliable for specific details. In other words, I wouldn't look for a narrative on one of the battles he led as proof of his existence, rather something more objective

Tjaden Froyda @ about 2 years ago

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would you consider bones in the tomb, by themselves, to be empirical evidence?

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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if they could match the teeth to dental records

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Elmhurst, IL, USA

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or bones to known injuries

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Elmhurst, IL, USA

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Bones by themselves, no. Bones in a tomb marked George Washington, next to another tomb with his wife, on his property AND the site has been recognized as his resting place since his death Nope, no empiric evidence

Tjaden Froyda @ about 2 years ago

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They have his dentures.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 2 years ago

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And you know they are his because of the engraving says so

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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the

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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You're right. It's really Lincoln in there.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 2 years ago

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The context of each piece of evidence and their relation completely ignored. Have you notified the Smithsonian that there's no evidence GW existed? Everyone needs a good laugh now and then.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 2 years ago

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Apparently the NY academy of medicine is going to have to figure out who's teeth those are... Don't go full PLC, AMI

Tjaden Froyda @ about 2 years ago

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obviously GW existed and there is plenty of evidence

AMi @ about 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Still not empirical evidence.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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This will go until Tau Day.

Paul outta Hemet @ about 2 years ago

Carson City, NV, USA

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Let's not move the goalposts.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY 13905, USA

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BTW, that was a good one, Paul.

Angelus @ about 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY 13905, USA

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hadn't heard of tau...that was a good one. and I've learned something new.

UndrWater @ about 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Pi is the qwerty keyboard and tau is dvorak.

The Drew @ about 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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