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Who should Elizabeth Warren pick as a running mate? Anyone but Hillary.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/11/06/4_reasons_elizabeth_warren_should_run_for_president__124580.html Posted after the midterm elections. Nice crystal ball they have there.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Pocahontas

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Lakewood, OH, USA

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Don't worry folks the male Caucasian will make a big comeback soon and this will all seem like a bad dream

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Lakewood, OH, USA

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and in a thousand years Obama will still be known as the last black president

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Lakewood, OH, USA

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Dream on, pinky.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Bama ruined it for Africans in this country with his deceitful ways.People will associate dark skin with lies

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Lakewood, OH, USA

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lawlessness and drug use too.Felons are not allowed to be president.Yeah I know he didn't get caught so he's not a criminal right

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Lakewood, OH, USA

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So, you would support Warren then? Last I checked her skin is white.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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no cuz she's a liar too

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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How can that be? She's a nice white lady. First one to drop the f bomb on Jon Stewart, to my knowledge. Jon got totally aroused too.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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She's too far to the left...radical thinking builds a cult following but doesn't win elections. I am part Cherokee as well though (1/16) so I'm down with who she claims to be.

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Team "Anyone but Hillary" doesn't really have much of a bench to select from.

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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ami if you view Warren as a radical thinker, I agree only to the extent that she is truly passionate about busting up the rigged economic system. We need a radical to help change that thinking.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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I agree Drew, if you reject Hillary as veep who looks good on that side of the aisle? I like Andrew Cuomo but he doesn't seem ready to assert himself nationally yet.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Franken

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Pinky, look into the concept of "primacy and recency". Another thing. You won't be here in a thousand years.

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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We have no clue how the majority will see Obama in 20 years. I'd vote for Warren, but the powers that be wrong let her win.

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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won't

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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Why do you think that, Undr? She sure has a pair. I'd love to see her go toe to toe with Governor Fat Fatty. Sadly, I don't think it's in the cards for him at this point.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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If this next election is Bush v. Clinton, I am going to pull my hair out in frustration. And move to Panama.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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didn't she take advantage of her miniscule native American heritage?

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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to get what?

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Wasn't she a republican?

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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yep: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/04/27/3431303/warren-left-gop/

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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to get something someone else needed and or deserved I guess it's not that complicated

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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a choice between two deceptive twàts

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Who would have have Hillary as their VP? Someone with a death wish? How many people associated with the Clintons have turned up dead? Whether you believe they had anything to do with the deaths, or not it's just plain eerie.

Angelus @ over 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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How many have turned up dead?

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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Charles Ruff, Tony Moser, Vince Foster, John Millis, James McDougal, Ron Miller, Sandy Hume, Daniel Dutko, JFK Jr, Mary Mahoney, Admiral Jeremy Boorda, William Colby, Maj Gen William Roberts, Col William Densberger, etc, etc. Who had this many

Angelus @ over 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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associates with "special" information/dirt on them just turning up dead?

Angelus @ over 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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Jason Bourne?

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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Not on the list that I know of, but maybe you know something I don't.

Angelus @ over 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

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Of course, let's dig up some long dead skeleton shít from Bill Clinton's running days! I bet that makes perfect sense to a dumb, tired hack like you Angelius.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Stir the pot with things that sound serious-like! Scare folks with half truths! Throw in some biblical diatribe and we'll be all set. Come on let's have it, dumbàss.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Doc, Warren is pretty darn far to the left on most if not all issues . ..not electable imo

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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the field is cleared, any candidates will be there for the illusion of competition.

[412035] @ over 2 years ago

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Never say never ami. Warren is a firebrand. She could play very well now. With Hillary as her initial opponent she could mop the floor. She could make mincemeat out of the tired old white male republican leadership.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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I like Franken, Skäl. Just not sure he is ready for that.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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He's good enough, smart enough, and people like him.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Did she say Franken? Al Franken? Dr Evil? why why why why! I mean I do appreciate that he is a male Caucasian but there are better choices

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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why not clinton-bush or bush-clinton? they are both on the same side anyway.

President Not Sure @ over 2 years ago

Plantation Palms, Land O' Lakes, FL 34639

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Whoever the GOP puts up there HE's going to be a stuffy old fart as usual without a chance in hell

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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dunno about that Pink.

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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nailed it pink. I'm thinking McCain might want another go. Now that Mittens has cleared the way and all. That was such a loss for you guys on the right, too, wasn't it?

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Hey how about Christie? Might be worth another look. What percent of the country is obese? Man he'd have the fat vote locked up. I'd say he also has the Mafioso vote but those two groups are mutual.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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(in one direction anyway...not sure all fat people are mafia)

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Obama hasn't been a total loss, it's been entertaining and eye-opening to say the least very much like letting a kid touch the stove

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Aurora, OH, USA

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Whoever promises to fix these roads gets my vote but they will be too busy cleaning up the mess of the previous administration and what a mess it is

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Aurora, OH, USA

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Very surprised Obama hasn't gotten into trouble with women being black and all which kind of makes me think he's a homosexual

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Aurora, OH, USA

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Definitely a metrosexual and have you seen the way he traverses stairs? Totally gay

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Aurora, OH, USA

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Yes but he can't be Warren's running mate pink, so your points (if we can call them that) are moot.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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God damn America

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Streetsboro, OH, USA

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Obama is a gay. Good collection of evidence here: http://hillbuzz.org/is-barack-obama-gay

Angelus @ over 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

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So what if he's gay as Liberace? He still can't be anyone's running mate.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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what if has surgery and runs again as Barackina?

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I never heard Barry had gender identity issues!

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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If we get one more source to confirm, we can get this story on Fox News!!! Then Angelius can repeat it here ad nauseam.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Jeb Bush will be the next and possibly last "president" of the United States

srorriM & ekomS @ over 2 years ago

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Don't know about that but he could be the first of many more male Caucasians to come Viva la Caucasia!! But I think the Democrats have 4 more years

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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I don't think Warren can win not at the top of the tix...now if Hillary would get out of the way this race might get interesting

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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I think it's too early to draw such a conclusion Silver. If Clinton is out there is a huge vacuum on the left. The right is already full of stupid so no vacuum there, but it's not the best way to fill the void.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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I just don't see the center choosing "new" again

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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I hope and pray warren is on the ticket!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Oh, the ignorance?

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

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With some of Warren's populist positions, you may regret that wish plc

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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she's no more a threat to win an election than Ron Paul ever was

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Addison, IL, USA

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You didn't do it right, water. But I'm not surprised.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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But she does say all the right things to make progressives all tingly

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Addison, IL, USA

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I really doubt Ill ever get to regret it. They all have some populist positions. It doesnt erase the extreme. Time will tell.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What are these populist positions?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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evil will vote for anyone with a d on front of their name whether it's Hillary or not.

Angelus @ over 2 years ago

Binghamton, NY, USA

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true

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I always do it right, baby!

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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That's not what she said!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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@PLC - standing up against big money in Washington has been her biggest position, i.e. her role with CFPB.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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@PLC - what extremist positions make you not concerned? @AMI - Hillary has her own problems right now. There aren't many other Dems in waiting. Her outlook is much brighter than Paul's ever was for that reason.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2014&cid=N00033492

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Schaumburg, IL, USA

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ALL extremists positions bother me. Left, like warren and right, like perry.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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going against business is not as populist as you think.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Which extremist positions, plc? Going against business that rip off consumers is, however, quite popular.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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@ami - and??????

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Fights big business while making sweet sweet love to big education

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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and big businesses that she likes of course, those are ok

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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maybe Santorum can attack her on big education

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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is Santorum running?

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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he might be, what does that matter...

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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it doesn't, which is exactly what I could say about your comment. ..it doesn't matter

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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She is obviously an elderly woman stricken with Alzheimer's but it feels so good to vote for the first female president so she is in there as far as the feel good crowd is concerned

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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seems you cons all hate higher ed...if she runs and is attacked for being 'big ed' the Santorum clip from 12 will be ran linking the R's being anti-intelligence...but yeah go ahead and think you're onto something

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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Everyone is in someone's pocket, she's no Jesus

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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do you have a point

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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@ami - Which big businesses were those exactly? World class academic institutions in her home state donated to her. whoop-dee-do.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Did you figure out why she's unelectable yet?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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higher education is big business....huge business

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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oh and Google

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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and Move On and Emily's list. ...she's loved by far left everything because she is far left...far left is just as bad for votes as far right is

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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oh I think she is left of most voters...but if you think 'big ed' is what she should be attacked on you're as out of step as Santorum...that is not going to be an issue for her

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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she'll do well in liberal heavy states, personally I'd vote for her over Clinton. ..Warren is more honest and less evil....but she falls too far to the left for me to support her on most things

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Addison, IL, USA

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All of those were individual donations, FYI. All I'm hearing from you is who donated to her...and nothing about why she's unelectable. Do you have anything?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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I'll say it again, just for you, she's too liberal and a progressive idealist. She's too far left of 90% of the voters in this country.

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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On what issues ami? You do know she was a republican, don't you?

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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On pretty much all of them, she's full bore progressive now

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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For example...

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Really? come on man

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Interesting article...near the end it mentions some broader appeal: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/29/us/politics/hillary-clinton-vs-elizabeth-warren-could-be-a-dream-match-for-republicans.html?referrer=&_r=0

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Of course the Rs wasn't Warren to run just to weaken Hillary. I get that, but I'd love to watch that strategy backfire on them when they pick their usual dimwit old white guy and Warren spanks him hard.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Yes, really ami. Having trouble?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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nope

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Good. Then it should be easy.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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it is

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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The reason I'm pushing you is because that characterization is repeated ad nauseam but most people I've run into can't actually say what makes her so far left. Humor me.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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What do you believe is a position held by many far left individuals?

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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now you're squirming.

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

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I don't squirm

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Just a wee bit.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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not even a smidgen

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Gotta agree with Warren on her criticism of Holder for basically not going after any of the financial crimes.. Too big to jail, wtf is that.

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Her viral speech annoyed me when she pretended that the factory owner somehow didn't pay for the roads as well (he undoubtedly paid a higher percentage as well, since we do have a progressive income tax)

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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here is where ontheissues.org placed her on the spectrum http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s080_010.gif

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Good for ontheissues. What makes ami think she fits that far left?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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just a couple so you can sleep tonight 1. Abortion, any further left and she'd be running an abortion mill out of her house. 2. Government enforced pay equality.

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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"Restricting second ammendment" feels pretty lefty too me. At least mentions this on "on the issues"

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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A pro choice democrat that thinks women should be paid the same as a man for the same job? That's your example of what makes her far left? Weak

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Getting back to what silverfox was saying, if the attack is going to be that she's pro education and equal pay for women doing the same job, you got your work cut out fer ya.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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And there's not much difference between Warren and Clinton's stances on either gun control or abortion...

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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She's a radical! Run for your lives!

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Hell AMI, if you go to the Emily's list website, Hillary is everywhere. Too bad warren is against legalization.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Radical leftists have no business being against legalization. Goes against the assigned narrative.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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so staunch pro abortion, anti capitalism, pro big government, anti 2nd amendment, pro dream act, anti religious freedom, pro tax and spend, doesn't make one a far left liberal these day? Oh how times have changed!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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nice job you found one of the very few topics she takes a centrist stand on....legalized medical Marijuana but no outright legalization....I wonder if she's Ok with states legalizing within their own borders. ...if not, it would only confirm her

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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desire for an even more powerful and imposing federal government she's no centrist, she's a populist leaning far left liberal. ..just like you three. ..I understand why she has your support

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Just don't make the mistake of thinking that you represent the poltical center of this country

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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"anti-religious freedom", "pro-abortion"...not too brain washed are we? lol

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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It's cute how these incendiary terms get snuck in for the extra jab. Still. Why don't you folks get the fúck over yourselves? You are not DC operatives for crying out loud. No one is fooled by the little word games.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Brain washed? She opposes religious freedom. She's a staunch supporter of abortion. How does that make me brain washed?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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If you want to continue to play, then let's hear how Warren would like to take away your right to freely practice your religion.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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however you liberals/progressives decide to brand yourselves, you're still far left. pro abortion/pro choice is left no matter how you label it. No matter how hard you try to move the 50 yard line.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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she's more left leaning than the average Scandinavian....really, she is. ...she is far left. ..any further and she'll far over the wall and land in the Tea Party

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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incendiary jabs like. ..I don't know. . brain washed???

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Supporting abortion rights has nothing to do with wanting people to have them. Just like supporting your right to join the KKK had nothing to do with support of the KKK itself. You know this. So yes, "pro-abortion" is a little word game that

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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word game! LMMFAO!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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has at its heart a baseless attempt to dirty up your opponent's viewpoint. It's a cheap shot that appeals to weak minded individuals who prefer to feel righteous, not to have to think about it.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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As you try to steer the conversation away from the facts that contradict your notion that warren is somehow, centrist and not far left with silly complaints of word games and brain washing.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Yes, obviously you prefer to feel informed, not be informed. I get it. That's exactly the strategy that was the basis for Fox News. Its founder said people want to feel informed, not be informed.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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That strategy has been quite successful for Fox. I credit then and the granddaddy of them all, Karl Rove, for the stupid word game mentality from which you so clearly suffer.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Man you guys really swallowed that line of bull...hook line and sinker.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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OMG! This is just getting worse. I listed 7 stances, you complain about 2. Not on substance but rather style. Ridiculous.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Blah blah FOX, blah blah Bush, Blah Blah Blah, Bankers, Blah Blah, green!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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So let's hear how Warren wants to take away your right to practice your religion.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Hard to deny her far left leanings when you look at the facts.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Nor a style thing plc. If that's your position, defend it. Warren is anti-religious freedom how.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Your words. Back then up dummy

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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So I'll take that as you accepting the other 6 far left positions.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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dummy? OMG. And we wonder why this place has gone to ####. Have a great day.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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AMI, the left has tried to move the political 50 yard line further and further left to make their extreme views seem not so extreme and the right seem farther away from the center than ever.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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plc has no support for such strong condemnations? That is completely shocking!!

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Do you really want to start a war of insults? Thats so 2013!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Your failure to provide any rational basis for your positions absolutely makes you a dummy.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Here, just for you. http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Elizabeth_Warren.htm

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Let me know when you're ready to talk like a grown up.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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If baseless accusations inform your political positions, you are a dummy.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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SMH! If the facts that make you wrong wrong wrong make me a dummy, so be it. That a liberal thinks the facts make one a dummy and brain washed is nothing new.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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ms evil says shes not far left so she must not be. LOL!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Here's a left to right snapshot of Voter Map: Smoke, Josh, Doc, Silver, Skål, jc, Racer, Rob, Arcadia, AMI, PNS, PLC, John Galt

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Did I say that? Did you use any facts for me to ridicule?

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Drew would fall between me and PNS

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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which "three"

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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Angelus between PLC and Galt

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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No and no. Lack of facts on your part = no rational basis for your assertion. So let's have the facts. And do not attribute false quotes to me. That's lying.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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hey you put yourself in the middle

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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The Axis of Liberalism (Doc, Skål, Silver)

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Yea that's so cute plc. So how about those facts? got anything?

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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I'm a libertarian leaning center right

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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You're populist leaning center left. ..my opposite

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Got facts plc? Regarding Elizabeth Warren's anti-religious freedom stance?

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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So who else do the Democrats have that they like besides Hillary & Warren?

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

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This guy... http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/James_Webb.htm

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Who I actually like better than both Clinton and Warren

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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i am a JIm Webb proponent

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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just think we need to run someone with a centrist feel

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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He would be tough to beat imo

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

4a315ca5f80d2903bee925615a1deb5a

and to be clear Warren does not have my support...unless she makes it through the primary...then well...

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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Ok

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Webb and a viable female on the bottom of the tix...

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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I'm also curious about PLC's explanation for "anti-religious freedom" I don't think he has one.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Are you just throwing scary buzzwords against the wall like spaghetti?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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and Howard Schultz...because all that business acumen that R's constantly go on about in a candidate suddenly won't mean squat

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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Silver here is a list of women that he could select as a running mate http://www.libertyviral.com/20-of-the-hottest-libertarian-women-alive/#

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Elmhurst, IL, USA

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AMI in your left to right list, where is the center?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Arcadia I suppose

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Northlake, IL, USA

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are all topics given equal weight in your list

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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I mighta placed rob a little farther left and josh at the head of the left. And me a little closer to the center.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Pink

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Nice running away, plc you little bítch! bahahaha

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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yeah I would have plc further from galt than you do

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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Nah, your position is about right PLC.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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plc cannot support any of his assertions with facts. Though I guess you feel informed, don't you? sure you do. And that's what's important, feeling like you probably know stuff. It's a license for outrage against anyone who doesn't agree.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

The system is intact for all you other conservatards...now that you see how it's done! It's so easy!

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Doc, I don't want to get into flame wars anymore. Regretfully Ive done it in the past and it totally detracts from a good conversation. I'm sorry you can't understand that. Have a great day.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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nah skal his position on gun control moves him to the left not to mention his sane view on the Cliven Bundy debacle...he is right leaning centrist

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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but what about the rest of the con supporting cast...kzoo and donta?

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

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My positions on gun control and the death penalty move me a little further left. IMO.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Thanks for describing my view on the Bundy debacle as sane.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Kzoo would be just to the left of Galt, Dontai is on another planet

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Schaumburg, IL, USA

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Hey, is there a way to determine someone's "leftness" or "rightness"? No? Then how is it useful to have such a discussion? No one uses the same criteria.

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

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To the point; that "50 yard line" is also being moved to the left or right depending on who you ask.

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

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Because it's fun, that's why

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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PLC, if that website is where you get your information for candidates, might I recommend more diverse sources? Your complaints seem to come directly from that site.

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

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above I meant a scientific way to determine leaning.

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

PLC, I'm also interested in how she is opposed to religious freedom. I can't imagine any public figure admitting anything like that.

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Shall we take them one at a time?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Oh. AMi. I'm glad you left me out of that list. I think that's where I belong. Though I have been accused of being the biggest liberal on this app...by "Josh".

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Southeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

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That is not my only source. Should I link the 2 dozen or so sources I looked at? That would be a little silly. That one does have it all in one basket though.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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So. One at a time or do you agree with the other 6 and just want to discuss this one? Because if thats the case, the other 6 kind of place her on the far left by themselves.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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U Water I left you out on purpose

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

pro-choice - not a far left position anti capitalism - citation needed. generic "scary liberal" buzz-phrase. Regulated capitalism is not anti-capitalism

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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pro big government - generic "scary liberal" buzz-phrase. Regulation isn't always scary, nor bad. anti 2nd amendment - further left than some dems. pro dream act - not a far left position

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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anti religious freedom - citation still needed pro tax and spend - generic "scary liberal" buzz-phrase

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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word game = buzz phrase. LMAO

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Evil and Skal say shes not far left so she must not be. No citation needed. Just believe as you and we're ok. LOL! I have to laugh. Sorry.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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What did Warren mean in this clip? http://youtu.be/MNKqOE7bJq8

Angelus @ over 2 years ago

Johnson City, NY, USA

811f304d1edba24fb92ebcd4eeb3d8a8

Buzz Phrases! Word games! Nothing to see there! She centrist! Skal and Doc said so! It must be true!

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Even Bill agrees. http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/12/16/oreilly-president-elizabeth-warren-would-make-obama-look-reagan

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I never said she was centrist. But she's not as far left as she is painted.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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You, on the other hand, said she was anti-religious freedom. PLC said it, so it must be true! I think that's how it goes, right?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Bill-O is a bastion of truth-telling. Uhhuh.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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You finally got it! That wasn't that hard.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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How does she feel about tax payer funded abortions?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Simply "Pro-choice" isn't far left, things are more complicated than that. To me a radical position would be absolutely no restrictions on abortion, which some feminists have argued for. Not sure of what Warren's specific stances are there

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

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Also perhaps it helps to think of politicians we might say who are further left than Warren. How many are there and who would they be?

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

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Bernie Sanders perhaps?

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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She supports late term abortion.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Yeah I guess him especially since he readily calls himself socialist, any more we can think of?

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

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https://www.govtrack.us/about/analysis#ideology

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Being totally comfortable with elective abortion after 20 weeks means you're in the minority in terms of general American views on the topic.

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

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In that scatterplot, Warren shows up right in the middle of the pack, just to the left of Stabenow.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Provided that this plot has any external validity, of course

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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middle of the pack on the far left...what this plot does a great job of illustrating is just how far to the extremes both parties have become

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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But if you make the X-axis range shorter and they don't look too far apart...

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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@Drew and PLC - To my knowledge, she hasn't come out and said she supports elective abortion after 20 weeks. The clip where she is attributed as supporting late-term abortion simply comments on Republicans pushing

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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restrictions on any abortions after 20 weeks (some with no exceptions). Such a restriction would also eliminate medically indicated reasons as well (i.e. for the health of the mother).

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-votes-to-ban-abortion-after-20-weeks/2013/06/18/c14e9c48-d835-11e2-9df4-895344c13c30_story.html Some of the context at the time, see the lack of exceptions towards the end.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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It's kinda dumb not to include the exceptions, not just from medical standpoint but politically you think they'd want the liberals to have to vote on whether to allow pure elective abortions after 20 weeks

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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That's what you think they'd want to force a vote on.

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Btw what was your own position on gestational limits for *purely* elective, Skål? Also @ Doc

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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No later than 20. But so few happen after that week that it's hardly worth the effort put into that debate. I strongly believe the better approach is to promote steps to reduce unplanned pregnancies

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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i.e. http://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378%2810%2900430-8/abstract

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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More data from the same project, in NEJM: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1400506?query=TOC&#t=articleMethods

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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The older I get the more pro life I become. But where I could work with the left is in the area of prevention. Most unexpected pregnancies happen because the individuals involved are literally dumber than a box of rocks.

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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I've thought elective rights should be cut off when the fetus could survive outside the womb. But really that's not possible legally at least because it's a moving target medically.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Condoms are useless. There has to be incentives to provide better access to birth control.

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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The best method is to keep your genitals to yourself until the right time. I don't judge people who can't though, I couldn't.

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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So the 20 week figure seems as reasonable as any. I realize the late term abortion thing makes folks squeamish. But medically necessary abortion should not be prohibited at any point.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Abortions are rarely medically necessary

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Skäl, the abortion rate has been declining for a long time, has it not?

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Any reasonable person knows specific exceptions should be left to the decision of the mother. Otherwise, if mom and baby are healthy then that baby should have a chance at life

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

What if I decide my pregnancy is abnormal so I should get an abortion? I think the judgement of a doctor should always be part of an "exception".

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Abortion rates I don't think have been declining, unless it's just a tad. While there aren't many abortions after 20 weeks, there are a few. I think a ban on purely elective ones is fine.

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Doc, yes I would even suggest that two opinions be necessary and none from a facility that would profit from the procedure

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Stats on abortion http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/ I think the fact that black women are almost 4 times more likely to get an abortion is the stat that bothers me the most

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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that would NOT profit

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Abortion rates were lied about for Roe v Wade in order to make it seem like many more were illegally happening than there actually were, one of the docs admitted that

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Seems like a hands up, don't shoot situation where they just lie about stuff in order to get some social change.

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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That's why the CHOICE study in STL was so great, AMI. The problem is that the same people in govt who want fewer abortions also view LARC as abortion (based on bad science), reducing access.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Or like when Kinsey used prison inmates to generalize about American sexual habits in his Kinsey report.

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Better link for trends, AMI http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html They have been decreasing.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Yep...among all demographics?

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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AMI, you're making me a centrist? Wow, that kinda hurts. I'm not an anarchist, but I can see anarchy from my porch. I'm about as far from statist as I can get, without giving up on limited government.

et in Arcadia ego @ over 2 years ago

Hopewell, PA, USA

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and what about bhaven

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

Arbutus, MD, USA

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Arcadia, centrist in that you are a pure libertarian which is a balance of ideology didn't mean to offend :-)

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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bhaven is on the dot where Obama is. ..if Obama moves, he moves

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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where do sheep fall on the plot?

Racer X @ over 2 years ago

Winder, GA 30680, USA

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sheep follow their shepherd

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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see how useful these labels are? sheesh.

UndrWater @ over 2 years ago

Beverly Hills, CA, USA

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Thanks for the link Skäl, good to get a link I know I can trust. Statistics like those are bound to be manipulated and skewed according to political goals.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Hudson, WI, USA

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It's always good to base trust on a source solely on whether or not you agree with their assessments. You know you can trust this because it says what you want to hear or because of its ties to planned parenthood?

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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You must feel soooo informed. LOL

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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I challenge you to find a better source of statistics.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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it's on!

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Hoffman Estates, IL, USA

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I trust the link because Skäl posted it and I don't believe he would knowingly post a link to a medical source that skews the statistics. Since he is a doctor he has the ability to judge on these issues.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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plc whether or not I agree with the assessment is irrelevant. The statistics do speak for themselves.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Are you taking issue with the content of that link?

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Skal, I don't put much faith in planned parenthood. But that's just me.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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Doc, my issue is with blind allegiance.

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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In all fairness, evil, Oz is also a Dr... Guttmacher happens to be the most reliable source for stats on the topic. It also happens to be a PP offshoot.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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That's fine that you don't put much faith in PP. Find a more accurate source then and I'll happily stop referencing Guttmacher.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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How do you know it's accurate?

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Hoffman Estates, IL, USA

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Sound methodology.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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The paper where data on Figure 1 (the trendline) was taken from: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1363/46e0414/abstract You may not have access to the full paper due to a paywall. I do. :)

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Ok I was just looking for a thoughtful answer

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Hoffman Estates, IL, USA

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I fully believe that abortions are on a downward slope

AMi @ over 2 years ago

Hoffman Estates, IL, USA

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What's wrong with CDC #s. (They also say abortions are down)

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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In particular, the first paragraph of the methods section describes the survey well. In general, it doesn't matter who is behind a study if the methods they use are sound.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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CDC isn't a bad source either. However, they rely on voluntary reporting of data. Further, in the latest CDC report, the CDC acknowledges that their numbers were consistently 70% of what Guttmacher found.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6311a1.htm?s_cid=ss6311a1_w First paragraph, under limitations.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Even more so, the CDC references Guttmacher extensively (look at the references section) Long story short, Guttmacher is the authority.

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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Guttmacher is actually cited by pro-life groups many times I think. It's a good source.

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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I thought this was an interesting article regardless but look how many times they cite Guttmacher http://www.frc.org/brochure/the-best-pro-life-arguments-for-secular-audiences

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Judith Rodin

ONaA @ over 2 years ago

Fort Bragg, NC, USA

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Anyone heard from Pink? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ohio-serial-pooper-caught-camera-defecating-car-article-1.2146616

Taco Bowl @ over 2 years ago

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The Mad Pooper? Criminal Crapper? Shady Shítter?

ONaA @ over 2 years ago

Fort Bragg, NC, USA

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najeh davenport?

Tjaden Froyda @ over 2 years ago

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How does Warren compare to John Edwards (obviously before he went down in flames)?

The Drew @ over 2 years ago

Midtown, New York, NY

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he has better hair, although the cut is similar

Silverfox @ over 2 years ago

Arbutus, MD, USA

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2 àssholes http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2957072/A-expensive-getaway-Obama-family-s-separate-weekend-trips-trips-cost-2-5-million-did-Barack-spend-Valentine-s-golfing-California-Michelle-went-skiing-Colorado.html

Mr. Pink @ over 2 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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plc I never have blind faith in anything. I stated actual reasons for putting faith in the reference. Perhaps you didn't read those.

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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I don't believe you have an understanding of how to ascertain whether such statistics are skewed or manipulated anyway. So, whom would you ask if you wanted such a reference? How about a medical researcher?

Dr. Evil @ over 2 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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