this guy didn't get shot.........
@ almost 3 years ago
Hazel Park, MI, USA
This guy either. http://www.tpnn.com/2014/08/24/video-police-officer-beaten-to-a-pulp-by-unarmed-man/
@ almost 3 years ago
yeah, but the guy got 60 ####ing years!
@ almost 3 years ago
Detroit, MI, USA
tje two ofgicers in my video got the tar kicked out of them and didnt even think about pulling a gun
they tazed him 5 times.
but still he attacked
Neither one of these police attackers was shot. Interesting.
Neither were these guys. http://youtu.be/cMaB2OkU1TY
he didnt them the chance to.
But this guy was. http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/08/21/black-cop-killed-innocent-white-man-utah-press-silent/
"Cruz" is latino.
not what you called "Zimmerman"
@ almost 3 years ago
Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA
initially i thought z was white.
but cruz is obviously latino why would they put "black man" in the title.
that video tells me is there needs to be a redressing of police procedure.
Latino isn't a racial category though...
@ almost 3 years ago
Rose Hill, New York, NY
its ethnicity, but that is beside the point.
Is there a point?
an obvious one. police tactics need re-eval
Why? Because savages have no respect? Doesn't make sense. I'm just glad you werent implying that race played a factor in the Michael Brown case.
1. we don't know that. we never will. could he have been trigger happy yeah.
2. does that mean savages should treated differently?
3. mindsets like yours ARE the problem.
"savages"?? sounds like somebody likes ted nugent.
i may never know of Wilson's motives were race related, or not but I do know one thing his statement was bull####, and the way they reported the injuries he recieved was a gross falsification of what he actually recieved.
Madison Heights, MI, USA
have you actually read the transcript of Wilson's account?
I have. What the #### are you talking about? There was a lot of garbage about this case reported. On both sides. How convenient you only point out one side.
And the problem is your kind of thinking, not mine. You've been on the wrong side in all of these cases. You need to step back and realize you're coming about this wrong.
Justice shouldn't stand on the side of the savage. It should stand on the side of right. Of what's best for the average law abiding citizen. Michael Brown was not that person. His actions should be condemned.
How can you say his statement was bull#### when you weren't there and you've never been in a like situation? Because your gut tells you the white guy must be lying?
number one I did NOT comment on what sided reported.
Troy, MI, USA
I'm sorry that your " only black guys get shot by white cops" thread didn't quite pan out the way you intended. Life isn't all evil whitey/innocent black dude. In fact, it rarely is.
But keep throwing your support behind these criminals just because they share the same skin tone as you. But don't confuse who the real racist is.
Really? "and the way they reported the injuries he recieved was a gross falsification of what he actually recieved."
You have a problem with the false injury reports but you don't have a problem with the false hands up surrendering reports. Or the false he was shot in the back reports. Or the false he shot him while he was laying down
Or the false he didn't know about the store robbery minutes prior reports.
in all of these cases I was on the side that valued life. justice is not killing in a split second.
Those aren't worth mentioning but the false broken eye socket reports are a travesty.
justice should stand with "savages" its called due process...
You have it wrong. And the brown/Martin/bell results should tell you that. Justice was served in each one of these cases.
Justice should stand with the innocent. Not the savages. Officer Wilson was the innocent in his case. I hope you can one day understand that.
George Zimmerman was the innocent one. Justice was served.
The system is designed to protect the rights of the savages. Due process is what the got in the form of a Grand Jury or Trial. Justice served the innocent.
yeah and OJ was inncoent too. Get the #### out of here.
if you call 50 shots fired at an unarmed person justice then there is no talking to you......
Remember the riots after he was acquitted? Them white people lost their minds.
the justice sytem makes mistakes all the time..... Don't sit here and pretend the justice sysywm is perfect because it is not. there are people getting out of jail every day that did not commit a crime, so don't tell me what side justice stands on.
if you believe that the laws we have are equal and just then you are either blind, and ignorant.
what does the system have to say to the people who are wrongly sent to prison? what does it say about the system........ it says exactly my point. The system is on a flawed tilted scale that leverages against the poor and under previliged.
I am not wrong for thinking that police should at least take none fatal shots if they feel as though they need to use their firearm.
50 ####ing shoots fired at an unarmed person is bull####......anyway you ####ing slice it. We have entered an era where police do not have to show restraint, police need rules too. they are not god.
have you read the transcription?
I personally looted a nice pair of loafers and an espresso machine in the riots after the OJ trial.
@ almost 3 years ago
Winder, GA 30680, USA
I read the teanscripts. Where is your issue. Besides him bein white.
the rioters are idiots, many have said this. but they by no means make up the majority of protesters. there were large protest in Ferguson as well as many other places. most were not rioting and looting.
@ almost 3 years ago
Iowa City, IA, USA
You're the kind who thinks the police should shoot his arm. Or his knee. LMAO.
and for the record. white people riot too.
Who said they didn't?
but thanks for the completely unbiased link. lol
lol, pumpkins and football..... lmao
Why not what? Shoot in the knee or hand?
people never make a big deal about roits concerning white issues
bias link..of course. that's just funny.
pumpkins and football. Penn state had a nice one over a rapist protector. talk about supporting shady people.
West Virginia won a football game....let's go burn some sh! t.
very bias, but your point should be well recieved. it wont be though.
it happens. it's stupid whenever anyone does it. I'm just starting to get a little tired of the rhetoric of this only happens in black communities. if not to say whites don't do it, why did you ask about riots after the oj verdict?
it happened at my alma mater. they flipped cars, and even burned a dog. the roiters weren't having that #### though so they kick that guys ass.
what point were you trying to make? if not whites don't riot.
all over a football game.
Anyone who thinks shooting a person in the hand or leg during a tense situation has no knowledge of marksmanship. It's nearly impossible.
you mean to tell me a trained officer can not put a bullet in someone's leg.......... I call bull####.
but the head is easier.
Police officers are trained to aim at center mass generally. They are also trained to shoot for the head when they encounter a suspect wearing body armor.
It appears the center mass shots didnt have an immediate effect on brown. A head shot was the smart thing to do at 8 feet.
You can call whatever the #### you want. The fact remains. A trained officer has a hard time hitting center mass.
everybody is an expert, especially the ones never even close to a situation with kill or be killed.
1: targeting full of adrenaline & fear is fùcking damn near impossible, hence center mass.
2: targets move, never seen one stable like the paper
"it is highly ineffective to shoot at a rapidly moving and small extremity — such as an arm or leg."
3: most "experts" can't group quarters at 25 feet
4: it's a micro second decision
"Shooting a suspect in the arm or the leg would be difficult for John Wayne, never mind the most skilled marksman on the force"
Wilson shot all over the place trying to stop that kid without killing him starting with his thumb but he kept coming
@ almost 3 years ago
Cleveland, OH 44124, USA
accordibg to his statement
Let's just leave the shooting the gun out of the hand nonsense right where it is. You say according to his statement. And the autopsy. And witness testimony.
then their judgement is at fault, they should at a minimum be fired, and possibly sued.
shooting unarmed ppl should not be the cost to do business
Who should be fired?
Shooting unarmed people is sometimes the only option. If an unarmed Michael Brown didn't want to be shot, he should not have attacked a Police Officer. This incident is 100% on Brown.
But who's judgement is at fault? I didn't understand that.
maybe they should not be given jail time due to the nature of the job, but their judgmwnt should not be trusted again.
he didn't have to shoot him.
What were his alternatives? Taking a beating with the chance of having his gun taken from him? What else could he have done?
Are you taking about Police Officers who shoot unarmed people? They should be fired? The savage attacking them should just be allowed to beat him? Are you ####ing kidding me??
How many police officers have had their firearms taken away from them and used against them?
You have no sense of reality. Typical liberal nonsense. Thinking with your heart and not your head. These silly ideas of yours are so far removed from reality its nauseating. But thats how liberals are.
Expert after expert knows that shooting a suspect in the leg is unrealistic. But you know better than they. Typical liberal nonsense. You know better than people who actually know.
if the officer was that scared he should have waited for back up.
with better more pointed training police officers can be smarter in the way they use their firearms.
Monday morning quarterbacking from a person who doesn't even understand the game is always a good thing.
Maybe you know something every other expert in the field doesn't. What are you basing this on? Any actual specific knowledge or just a gut emotional feeling?
Do you place any of the blame on the criminal?
He handled the situation correctly. He was assaulted and the savage ran off. Sitting there waiting for backup could have caused the savage to get away and harm more people. Not what the Police are in the business of.
There are times where waiting for backup is appropriate. Hot pursuit isn't one of them. I wouldn't expect you to know or understand any of this.
But I can respect your opinion. I see it as typical uninformed liberal opinions.
Thinking with your heart instead of your head.
Thats why I laugh when I read people like you say the Police should have shot him in the leg. You say this without knowing just how hard that is.
But when you're told of the realities, you just disregard the facts and move on to the next nonsense comment.
A Police Officer sitting in his car gets assaulted by a guy who just robbed a grocery store. The guy tries to grab the officers gun. The Officer shoots & the guy runs off. You want to Officer to just sit there? Really?
I wish people like you would have joined the military or Police Department. Just for the sense of reality you get as a result.
mike brown is more to blame for the death of mike brown than darren wilson, I just want cops to stop shooting so many people.
@ almost 3 years ago
That's not on the cops. Thats on the Mike Browns of the world.
And Mike Brown is solely responsible for his death.
what about the kid in cleveland?
A tragedy. Both are almost suicide by cop.
But in neither case is the Police at fault
you try really hard a lot to be the republican voice of reason and proof but every once in a while you reveal yourself to not even know what you are talking about.
I'm not trying to be anything but me. These are just my opinions. Feel free to disagree. But your disagreement won't make me change my mind.
like you do Adam?
never even held a weapon, never served in the military, never been a policeman, never served his city
but you're an expert on this?
one thing we know for sure-
the only people who can save these young African American males(and always were responsible for their behavior) are..
Strongsville, OH, USA
I completely agree with PLC on this.
I'm opposed to power overreach by the police, but I readily acknowledge that assaulting a cop will end poorly for you 99.9% of the time.
Summerville, GA 30747, USA
Avoiding an altercation with the police is usually a very simple thing.
Chris Rock had it figured out years ago.
Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by th…: http://youtu.be/QR465HoCWFQ
Rule #1: - OBEY THE LAW
what about the kid in cleveland though?
Martinsburg, WV, USA
dead...his father's fault
Brunswick, OH, USA
The kid in Cleveland? That pulled the gun on the cops? What about him?
i cant change your opinion plc
You've never been able to but what does that have to do with anything? What about the kid who pulled a gun on police and put them in a position none of us would ever want to be in? They acted properly. Do you disagree?
not only do i disagree with your opinion you don't even have the facts straight, which doesn't matter, because i knew if i educated you on them i could already see the position you would then take to defend the officers.
you're predictable and just as entrenched in confirmation bias as the people you think are wrong on this. you know pretty much nothing on the subject but you will hold steadfast in your position only morphing the new
information but taking the old position.
its why i asked the question to racer, because even though he made a joke about the baby who took a flashbang to the chest he is still more open minded than you are.
AND EVEN THOUGH HE REFUSES TO ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF MIDGET PORN he is still less evasive than you.
You just said absolutely nothing. As usual. State your ####ing opinion already. That's all it is. Your opinion. Nothing more and nothing less. Your uninformed opinion.
A kid in Cleveland pulls a gun and get shot by police and you will in West Virginia have some special insight that no one else does. Give me a ####ing break. You know what everyone else knows. Probably less.
i actually reinquired about my midget porn question. i also reminded you that i wasn't talking to you, and that's why you are stealing my "you just said nothing" line.
i say so much half the ####ing #### you say you took from me. so spare me that bull####.
You marry a ####ing black chick and think you're the Mexican Al Sharpton. That gives you some ####ing insight that no one else has? You have been wrong on everyone of these so far.
kanye west is also damn good at what he does.
But you're the kind of boy who feels he knows better than the grand jury knows better than the prosecutor known better than to judge knows better than everyone involved in the case.
Just cut the bull#### already up Joe opinion out there. That or shut the #### up already.
So what is it? The cop should've shot the gun out of his hand? The cop should have known that it was a fake gun? The cop should have just taken the bullet because he saw that the kid was young?
did you just lose your ####ing mind?
Or is it the cops planted the gun nonsense? They Faked the video? The police hated black kids? Which of your nonsense is it this time?
you cant troll me into responding to you, i have done this too many times with you and it goes nowhere. im not looking to rehash the same #### with the same boring people.
now if you will excuses me im watching kendrick lamar videos.
This isn't a debate. Stop thinking you can convince anyone of anything. You can't. You see things your Mexican Al Sharpton way. Everyone else to see things differently.
What the #### is a kid doing outside for a half an hour waving a gun around? His parents failed him. Sad. I doubt this will even get to grand jury.
Have a great day Adam. I'll be here whenever you get the balls to state your opinion.
Tell rayvon Tio Jose says hi.
its not your fault
Why would your anger be my fault? I would blame your parents. They raised you to believe you're something you're not. And you bought into it. If you ever want to chat , I'm here for you. La Raza!
outside waiving a fake gun around. kids never do that. did he have hostages so they had to make a split second decision of if the gun was real?
how did his parents fail him? being that it was a fake gun. what immediate threat did this 12 year old pose that they had to speed across the grass and immediately disarm him? had he just went on a killing spree down the block?
he was waving this "gun" around for half an hour and no one had been shot, yet the cops felt this 12 year old now posed a threat and needed immediate disarming. that is some piss poor police work.
if they felt threatened by the gun it's their own faults because the drove up within 10 feet of the kid. have you seen the video? there was no one else around. no one was in danger, no one had been shot. even if it was a real gun the was no reason to
escalate that situation that quickly. had he shot someone, or even had someone in the immediate area as the the time I might agree with you as the would have actually been protecting something. there was not. they speed up and shoot him within 3 sec
I'm finished on the toilet now. a 12 year old kid got shot and killed with a fake gun with no one in any danger even if it was a real gun. "he deserved it." wow and wow
done. busy day. piss poor ass police work.
Im going to ask a question and you're not going to answer. As usual. Did I say he deserved it? I don't think I did. If I did, or if anyone else did, could you show me where?
real quick for perspective. told him to put the gun down 3 times in less than 3 seconds. Okey dokey. the fock out of here. glad there is video.
Just run off now. You have a busy day. Too bad you couldn't hang around. The cops acted correctly. At least I believe they did. Lets see how the DA handles it. Will he agree? Will a Grand Jury? Will the AA community?
I never answer questions. haha haha hahaha. says the king of never answering anything.
you did not say those exact words. no. instead you blamed it on his parents. so what role did his parents play to make them more responsible for this than the cops?
plc, its not your fault.
I did not say those exact words BUT you chose to use quotation marks. Do you know what quotation makes mean? http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/quotation.htm
His parents left an unsupervised kid with a realistic looking gun get killed. If they didn't know he had a gun, they should of. That's the responsibility of the parents. The Police acted correctly.
see. there you are again. I should not have used quotations. I was wrong to do that. see how simple that is to move past that. now. please explain why it's his parents fault. since that is what you said.
Adam, I know your anger isnt my fault. I just don't understand why you keep bringing it up. Didnt you have some videos to watch? Or are you ready to put your opinion out?
Yes, you were wrong. AGAIN. Moved on. Answered your question.
you believe they acted correctly..shooting a 12 year old kid in the park with no one else around in danger. within 2 seconds over existing the car in which somehow they told him 3 times to drip the gun.
try to say drop the gun 3 times in 2 seconds. pathetic. no one was in danger even if it was a real gun. but they acted correctly. no other way to handle that situation. pathetic.
Yes. I believe they acted correctly. They had a report of a "guy with a gun pointing it at people". They encountered the kid and he had a gun. He doesn't drop it, they shoot. End of story. A sad sad story.
are you OK with the blatant lie the cops told about telling him to drop the gun also?
How many people are required to be shot before the police can take action in your world?
Where's the "blatant lie"?
they told him to drop his gun 3 times in 2 seconds. blatant lie. try it.
0 people were shot by this mad man waiving a gun around for 30 minutes. in my world a person who has not shot anyone should at least be given the time to surrender, especially if there is no one around to shoot. maybe if you didn't drive up 10 feet
away. you may have had time to do that. we're you able to say drop the gun 3 times in 2 seconds.
I just tried it. I even timed myself and had someone else time me. I was told I was even clear enough to understand. I was able to do it. Easily.
So again. How many people are required to be shot before the police can take action in your world?
1 is enough?
there were 0. you said it 3 times in 20 seconds clearly huh. clearly enough where in that 2 second he could have dropped the gun also. the fock out of here.
you will go to.any lengths to defend a cop. that was a bad shooting. with malice. I don't think so. the parents don't think so. made wayyyyy to quickly. that should be obvious to anyone.
not only was there 0 shot. there was 0 around to be shot.
in my world there has to be a minimum of 1 person in immediate danger. there were 0.
I said it clearly in less than 2 seconds clearly enough to be understood. Yes.
I don't go to any leangths to defend anyone. I call em as I see em.
My nephew used to play outside with his friends all the time with air soft pistols. Just boys being boys. I used to do the same with cap guns when I was a kid. I also used to shoot a BB gun outside in my back yard.
@ almost 3 years ago
Villa Park, IL, USA
There were 2 in immediate danger. The 2 Police Officers.
its not your fault plc
At least 2. I don't know whats out of camera view.
There are many kids that play outside. With airsoft pistols. With at least the orange tip to identify them as such.
and after doing that, as a reasonable person would you have 1.expected the gun to be dropped by then, 2.expected him to have to reach for his waist where the gun was to drop it, 3. get the gun out of his waist and drop it in.the time period he was
given? you call them as you see them, but refuse to use common as sense.
you watched that video and believe when the the cops drove up he had an opportunity to do anything other than get shot?
Lets see what the Grand Jury decides (if it even gets to that). People who are presented the evidence and explained the law and are tasked with making the decision. Will you be right finally or will you be wrong? Again?
If a cop came up yelling drop the gun it is well within reason that my friend or I would have been thoroughly confused for a brief second. This boy did nothing wrong.
From what I see the cops acted correctly. That's my stance. Nothing has been presented here to make me even consider changing that.
You need to come better than, it's wrong because I say it's wrong.
the 2 police officer who if they were in danger put themselves there? wow. but that's not going out of your way.
His death is an example of a poorly planned, irrational police approach to an unknown risk.
This boy should not have been out in the street playing with a realistic looking gun. His PARENTS should have known this and prevented it. The Police didn't (couldn't have) known it was fake.
thank you ami. piss poor police work. is that so hard to admit? grand jury means nothing because it has to be with malice. but if you think that was how it should be done, that's sad.
The Police are not there to get shot. They acted correctly facing what appeared to be a life threatening situation. To imply that they should have taken a bullet is idiotic.
it's not wrong because I say it's wrong. it's wrong because any rational person can see that is not a good way to have that unfold. especially with there being no immediate danger other that the one you put yourself in.
The police acted correctly. A tragic situation that I'm sure every cop dreads. The horrible kid with a gun situation. But reality dictates that you have to shoot him before he shoots you. Unfortunate situation for all.
you would advise Cops in the future to act the same?
But there IS an immediate danger. A person with a gun is ALWAYS an immediate danger.
Don't fool yourself into thinking you're rational. We will see what the outcome is. The decision by law professionals or a panel of rational people will decide.
I am not in a position to advise cops on how to do the job they're trained to do. Neither are you. For you to not be able to admit the immediate threat shows me that you are incapable of rational thought.
All you see is black kid dead. Nothing else. Pathetic.
Here is what I know, we have two separate situations where cops have shot down a person who ended up being unarmed. All evidence shows that Mike Brown did everything he possibly could do to get shot down. I have zero sympathy for Mike Brown.
You believe the cops were wrong. I don't. Not too shocking. I ain't mad at you for your opinion. As much as I don't agree with it. I can respect it.
I have all the sympathy in the world for this boy. He was just playing, enjoying a day and now he's dead. No real chance given. It is something that should have never ever happened.
I agree that it was something that should have never happened. There is never a situation where a 12 year old deserves to be killed by anyone. That being said the Police acted correctly. An unfortunate situation for all.
I see a person. any person. that's wrong
The cops pulled right up on the kid. Wouldn't it have made more sense for them to have approached from a more cautious distance? They put themselves into the position to make a snap judgment.
Maybe. Maybe they expected a guy with a gun and not a kid. Maybe they were not expecting the 12 year old to be armed. I don't know. Neither do you. But I believe that acted correctly to the immediate threat.
They were told it was a kid with a gun that was probably fake on the 911 call. Wouldn't the sensible thing have been to pull up at a safe distance and use a loud speaker to instruct the kid to lay the gun down on the ground?
The cruiser comes flying out of nowhere, only feet away, frantically yelling "put your hands up"! If the kid was a real threat at least one of those cops would have been shot.
That's not what I read at all. What I read is that they were not told that the caller stated he believed it was a toy gun. I read that yesterday and again today in Dons link.
All they were told is a guy with a gun pointing it at people. According to the reports I read. Can you provide a different version?
Yup. "It is not thought this information was passed on to officers who arrived on the scene to investigate."
"Not thought" doesn't confirm anything. But let's say this is the case, it is a bit scary that dispatch failed to fully inform the officers in the field on the situation.
No. It doesn't confirm anything. Another article states "The caller told dispatchers twice that the gun was "probably fake," but that detail was not relayed to the responding officers, Follmer said"
That's more conclusive but we are still dealing with the media so it's hard to believe anything.
And I agree that if that is the case, the dispatcher screwed up big time.
BUT even if they did know, it would not be smart of them to assume that this was true. A gun job is a dangerous one. Nothing should allow them to lower their guard. The officers safety is paramount.
We can agree there then
the kid was just exercising his second amendment rights.
@ almost 3 years ago
LMAO! So were the cops.
plc, its not your fault
Yawn. Address the issue.