I dont know about you but these last 6 years have been great to me. My first son was born, my income grew year over year, and i am finishing the year up by buying my first home....... GOD IS GOOD!
@ over 2 years ago
Troy, MI, USA
thinker,, Good for you. Considering where we were six years ago, I'd say you are the average American.
@ over 2 years ago
Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA
i just get tired of of people saying how bad everything is.
@ over 2 years ago
when actuality things are good.
things are so much better now.
so awesome for you!
@ over 2 years ago
Southwood Riviera, Torrance, CA 90505
all i hear is how bad things are when in actuality they are better and more stable than they have been on a long time.
I want to agree with you, and I hope you're right.
This is good to hear
@ over 2 years ago
Villa Park, IL, USA
Remember Mitt's campaign promise to get the unemployment rate below 6% and create twelve million Jobs in his first term? Two years later, one is accomplished, the other is right on track.
I'm sure Mitt would have taken credit for it. Obama no doubt will. In fact, it was going to happen anyway.
Thank you invisible overlords!
I wish I could say the world as a whole was better off than 6 years ago. ..
AMI,,, You don't think it is?
You're just a glass half empty kinda guy. Ha!
Nope lol just the way I see it
Addison, IL, USA
soooo...half full, or half empty?
Northeast Torrance, Torrance, CA
My cup runneth over
Naperville, IL, USA
Life is good!
@ over 2 years ago
Winder, GA 30680, USA
there goes the neighborhood
@ over 2 years ago
Strongsville, OH, USA
i would be remiss if i didn't treat you like i would to someone on the other side of the aisle like ami so for the sake of consistency what makes you think your fake god had any role in any of that?
@ over 2 years ago
somewhere an unemployed single mother gave birth to a child with a birth defect but she probably says god is good too. guy gets credit for everything i guess.
artie lang wrote about his drug addiction and suicide attempt and mentioned greg giraldo, but wrapped it up and non ironically said that he no longer doubted the existence of god because of how lucky he was.
how lucky was greg giraldo?
you worship yourself and your god created in your image and that your success is a part of the plan that an omnipotent god willed because you are special. its the ultimate narcissism.
your god is not real, your god is not great.
And just what gives your ignorant, hateful ass the right to tell him what he should or should not ease his mind/soul with?
Belief or non-belief really isn't a right you have to dictate.
@ over 2 years ago
Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA
Good to hear that things are well for you Thinker. Just be mindful of the other truth, there are people who are struggling. As for my situation, I'm working, not making as much, but my family is well and we are not lacking ANY good thing(s).
@ over 2 years ago
Huntsville, AL 35806, USA
We only "struggle" in this life to the degree that we love the world rather than God. If we love God, though we be fed to lions, we would rejoice. That's a fact that's actually played out in history.
@ over 2 years ago
what a dïck
Bogart, GA 30622, USA
"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."
well I should have known the other end of the spectrum would appear.
difficult to discuss, when close minded radical stupidity takes hold.
maybe that's why politics & religion should be banned in bars.
Is that directed to me?
By what standard am I a radical? Is it a biblical standard?
"For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it." What does this passage of scripture mean to you?
Are you living your life for you, or Christ? Does the hour you spend in church on Sundays qualify as giving your life to Christ?
Do you understand the meaning of the word "Lord"? What does it mean to haveGod lord over your life? If I followed you around would I get the impression that Christ lords over your life?
When the term Christian wad first coined out was meant to be derogatory. A better translation would be "Jesus Freak". Can you still call yourself a Christian knowing that?
" But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." Is Jesus going to give you a ringing endorsement, or will He do as you do and say nothing?
you're a dïck
Stone Mountain, GA 30083, USA
I don't know about Christian, but...
You're definitely a freak.
" Lib warrior lookin for date since jen catch him gibin my ahmad bj."
" You like watch men jerk off donny boy. My ahmad do to."
" U shoul play cum cracker with my ahmad adumb doc ebil sufferin bhaven n lib warrior. Las one in circle not cum on cracker got eat it. Doc ebil not cum she jus like eat cracker. She a ho."
Don't let the fact that you're responsible for the most depravity ever posted on this forum stop you from your self righteous, sanctimonious drivel.
You're a complete fücking hypocrite.
You are the best argument against Christianity I've ever encountered.
So Christians are not allowed to joke?
@ over 2 years ago
Thou shall not #### with people?
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
Racer, you you can be freed from your depravity.
hold on, i got more important news, i just heard REM on the oldies rock station.
How fulfilling is your life, Josh?
Johnson City, NY, USA
The classic rock station in Atlanta plays Guns-N-Roses, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains...
I guess I'm old.
I didn't realize that the 90s are now considered to be Classic Rock.
@PLC- it's about hypocrisy.
Don't be a vulgar åsshole...then turn around and condemn the actions of vulgar åssholes.
It makes you look like a real dïck.
Plus it makes it difficult for any casual observer to take you seriously.
It hurts your message if the spokesperson is guilty of the crime they condemn.
Kinda like the anti gay marriage legislator getting busted soliciting make prostitutes.
It's detrimental to the cause.
@PLC- Christians are absolutely allowed to joke. There are plenty of Christian comedians.
However, there are limitations to their jokes...if they want to be taken seriously as a Christian.
Most of them don't work blue comedy. For good reason.
Ask yourself this...would you want the comments you made in this forum to be revealed to the congregation of your church?
Everybody knows the alcoholic who completely lets drinking ruin his life by making terrible choices and committing deplorable actions...then only when he hits rock bottom, he sobers up, and becomes a T totaler.
Starts condemning everybody else who drinks socially, yet is still responsible with their lives.
yeah...nobody likes that guy
he's a dïck
Extremes to try to make a point. Cute.
I don't follow your random posts. what's cute?
Snellville, GA 30039, USA
Your alcoholic example is extreme and practically non-existent. When we make Christ lord of our lives we turn from our sins and depravity.
My posts were deplorable as was my heart. I may judge according to the Word, but only God may condemn. There's a huge difference between the two almost universally overlooked today.
Are you so convicted by the Truth that you post old threads that have nothing to do with current threads?
well angelius you are certainly different from how you used to be, i still see the anger rising in you but you do a very good job controlling it.
to answer your question i am very happy, i am content in pretty much everything and always have been, even before my loving wife and beautiful son.
we could always get more fulfillment in the ways of more money or more children but i am very happy.
I have it all.
Beautiful wife; three happy, healthy, intelligent children; great career that pays a ridiculous salary, complete freedom of my own time.
Bethlehem, GA 30620, USA
no doubt about it.
this atheist is living the good life
And you should thank obama. And God.
and not one second of my incredible life is wasted in consideration of what a fictional god has planned for me
it's comforting to know that I'm the one calling the shots
I get to take full credit for my success.
I don't have to share it with some invisible sky wizard
LIFE IS GOOD!
god wasn't the one who made sure that the right sperm hit the egg and the baby developed to make my son the way they made him. he had the same job 100 years ago and most of those kids died.
if something bad were to happen to thinker today he would not say it was god who caused the problem. god gets off the hook.
infant death rate was over 50%, 100 years ago?
Fort Belvoir, VA, USA
wow, you are really literal when you want to be aren't you? the infant mortality rate 100 years ago was not 50%, it was 150 deaths per 1000 births (this doesn't count the people who died from stuff like the ####ing flu
its something like 5 per 1000 now. which was the point, that god has nothing to do with people living or dying. it has always been about the people themselves.
in the 80's people believed god created aids to punish (read kill) homosexuals. there was a story a while back about a possible cure for aids and people on their facebooks said "god is good!"
god exists only in the mind of the individual and every individuals god is different because it has been tailored to fit them and their life.
i was talking to a coworker about how choice is an illusion that depends on the circumstances of the individual (i.e. their upbringing) and how a child who is raped has no choice in anything in their life from then on.
and she used the defense that it was the rapists choice. this was last sunday. when I got in my car to drive home I was listening to a DC preacher talk about the bible being gods roadmap.
he used an analogy about minefields in the golan heights. anyway, he spent a half an hour and 4-5 bible verses telling us that if we didn't stray from the bible nothing bad would happen to us.
these are 2 totally different gods, created by 2 different individuals, and the gods are only real in their own mind.
Marietta, GA, USA
Faith is very personal.
faith is a belief in something for which you have no evidence.
personal is in relation to oneself.
thank you for agreeing with me. everyone take a picture, it isn't going to happen again.
Not so fast. There is one God, but many false interpretations. We can only know God by His Word. If we know the Word then we know that either the preacher you speak of is wrong or the interpretation of his message is wrong. Jesus never promised
nothing "bad" would happen to us. He said the opposite, " Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake."
False teachers do not disprove God by the exhibition of their own frailties. They expose themselves and only themselves. God warned of false teachers, of men seeking out false teachers to tell them what their itching ears want to hear. The devil is
much more clever than you or I give him credit.
The devil is equally as nonexistent as your god.
Lindridge-Martin Manor, Atlanta, GA
your god is supposedly omnipotent
if that's true, he has the power to destroy the devil. if the devil exists, it's because god wants him to exist
Lavista Park, North Druid Hills, GA
Your god wants evil, and all of the accompanying misery that is associated with it, to exist.
2038-2044 Lavista Rd NE, Atlanta, GA 30329
doesn't seem very benevolent to me
Quite the contrary.
seems like a bit of a dïck
We freely choose evil. That's evident. Where would you like God to stop of he were to start destroying evil? Murderers, rapists, pedophiles...you? None of us are perfect. All sin is abominable to God. You are either guilty or not guilty. Do you see?
None of us would be left if God rid the world of sin. God has tolerated evil because He loves us and wishes that none should perish.
God is omnipotent.
Sin only exists because god created it.
unless god created sin...it would've just been a chick eating some fruit.
nothing wrong with that
he's the control freak that determined that he was going to break his own toys because he created a disobedient creation that disobeyed him
...and I'm expected to believe he's omniscient?
doesn't seem very bright to me
Stone Mountain, GA 30087, USA
if he had such a problem with evil's influence on humans
...he probably shouldn't have created the devil and allowed him to hang out with his gullible (also his fault) creation
...but, of course, being omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent...
...he created all of this, with the full knowledge of exactly what would happen...right?
the why does he get angry or jealous when something happens that he claims to dislike?
didn't he know it was going to happen?
more importantly...didn't he allow it to happen?
the entire concept of such a being is contradictory
none of it makes any sense
it's blatantly absurd for adults to believe such obvious nonsense
Sin is rebellion against God. God did not create rebellion. That's something each and everyone of us freely chooses to do. God did not create us to be disobedient. He created us with free will do that we may freely reject or choose to love Him. Like
His judgement, His love is perfect. How can we truly love God if we did not have any choice in the matter? If all the divorced wives were forced to stay with their husbands would they be together because of love? Of course not. Those who freely
choose to truly love God will inherit The Kingdom of Heaven with their free will intact. Free will is the only means by which a perfect being can practice perfect love. Anything less would not be divine.
Regarding your other question, of course God knows what will happen. Do you think the people he is communicating with know, though? Your objections are not very adult-like. You might want to start reconsidering your beliefs.
he loved the children of Passover...
Cerritos, CA, USA
All Gods, and there have been many, have all come from the same place...Us.
We invented gods, and faith, and karma, and then, logic, and rationality.
et in Arcadia ego
@ over 2 years ago
Elkhart, IN, USA
The latter two are great for describing the external world of phenomena. The former three are excellent for describing the internal world of the psyche.
Both are important, but taking the internal wisdom as "real", rather than symbolic, is foolish.
Science and voodoo are both valid, but not interchangeable.
So how do you explain how or why we are here according to science? Why do elemental particles form atoms? What force holds atoms together? Why and how do atoms organize themselves into life forms? How would simple one-celled organisms become more
Endwell, NY, USA
here is the problem with this debate with you angelius. you will not change your mind on this. we could give you every explanation for every question but you would never accept answers and never run out of questions.
that girl i talked about earlier, she brought up the topic we discussed earlier, the father raping the daughter and rhetorically asked why they would place the daughter with the father after the death of the mother
when he never wanted to be in the girls life she felt that she (she emphasized that she was a girl) should never have been placed with a man (her father) that this was just asking for trouble.
Men have invented gods and concepts like karma, but those notions were put to rest when the Word became flesh and walked among us so that we might live.
3600-3616 New York 17C, Endwell, NY 13760
none of this stuff matters and it both highlights how little she knows about the situation and how much she pretends to know, not for actual real knowledge, but to defend the existence of her god.
you are the same way, everything will change and your guard will never drop. your dedication is true, i will give you that and will testify on behalf of you in front of your god from my pit in hell.
but you are not reasonable and you are not really trying to do anything other than to defend your faith.
"mitosis" doesn't explain anything. If those who professing science really understood science, then they would understand the great faith they're putting into these ideas. People don't explain these concepts to believers, not because the believer
will not hear them, but because they might be forced to see the weaknesses of their own beliefs.
mitosis wasn't the definitive answer, it was easy and one word, my answer was what came after that, did you read that part?
I jumped the gun before your entire response posted. Our individual level of understanding is irrelevant to the truth. Whether we know 12 squared is 144 because we memorized it or because we are able to do the math does not change the truth, nor does
Johnson City, NY 13790, USA
it make either person more correct than the other. Faith is a gift that comes down from God and dwells in your heart. I've heard the "scientific" explanations and they're simply wrong. I've prayed that the Holy Spirit comes down and dwells in your
heart so that you too might truly understand.
You can pull the wool over your own eyes, or you can pay others to do it for you.
One is a true gift. The other is spiritual slavery. You have chosen slavery to the thoughts of others, rather than freedom within your own spirit.
It's awesome to see that everyone's opinion is respected here. When you try to convince others that your opinion is the only valid one you lose before you start.
God Bless you Ang. I respect your faith although I don't share it. And God bless Arcadia and Adam whose opinions I also respect. But again don't share. There are no wrong or right answers. To each his own.
Slavery? I know true freedom. What lies did they feed you in that seminary, Arcadia? What happened to you? There was only one perfect Christian ever to walk this Earth. His name is Jesus Christ. We are all just pitiful imitations. Thank you, PLC.
Out of curiosity, what are your beliefs?
I consider myself somewhat of a theist. I believ in God and all he has created but I have issues with organized religion and the bible. I'm more of a I have no clue how or why things happen but I know there's a god.
some form of agnostic?
That's not agnostic.
Claiming that you know there's a god is a Gnostic.
Summerville, GA 30747, USA
some definitions disagree racer:
" a person who claims that they cannot have true knowledge about the existence of God (but does not deny that God might exist)"
no, racer is right. "i believe in god and all he has created."
that's agnostic like me saying im a christian.
he was right the first time when he said he was a theist, upon pressing im sure hes some form of christian.
i find it odd though that the only one who isn't here is thinker himself who created the post and never returned to answer to my rebuttal of it even though he is here.
shockingly you're wrong. Again. I'm not a Christian at all.
a right wing Latino in NYC...NOT a Christian?
You expect us to believe you don't attend some type of Catholic service on Christmas and Easter?
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God
"...I know there's a god."
Sorry, Undrwater, that ain't agnosticism.
Agnostic is Greek for "not knowing". The same word in Latin is "ignoramus". That should clear things up.
holy mackerel someone just got bïtch slapped!
I bet on the heterosexual!
Which one is that?
I'll take not knowing over pretending to know. It just seems a little less arrogant.
while you can never know with absolute certainty that something DOESN'T exist...you can have a very high level our confidence of the probability that something doesn't exist
I am as confident that there is no god (of ANY religion) as I am that there are no fairies, unicorns, vampires, or any other fairy tale creatures.
There's the same amount of physical evidence for the existence of any of them.
I agree with racer but I would rather not but not because of his sexual orientation. I would love to believe there's a place for me, for people like me in the afterworld NOT
Wasn't being antagonistic. I only post out of love. Science is an explanation of the mechanisms of this world. Good science is based on observable phenomena only. If ancient man observed cars and planes he might say they were powered by magic.
Later on as man advanced, he might look under the hood and observe that cars are powered by an engine and all its complexities. He might even look at trains and planes and surmise that their common features like wheels, carbs, fuel injectors, etc.
resulted from evolution from an earlier, simpler common "ancestor". That's where much of science is today. From the outside looking in we know that Sierras and Silverados have many of the same parts because they share a designer. Furthermore, we know
the history of the automobile. No matter how closely we studied the automobile it is unlikely that we would be able to accurately reconstruct its true history. The Bible tells us our history. It is the infallible word of God.
The supposed contradiction result from poor own misunderstandings, misconceptions, and bad information. When Bible Prophecy is right on proving out came from a Being not bound by time or anything else skeptics claim it was written after the fact.
When It seems off skeptics claim it is wrong rather than examining themselves for error. Which is it? Has anyone even considered the ludicrousness of generations of Jews prophecizing about the Messiah that they would reject, that same Messiah
appearing, fulfilling prophecy to the letter, and still being rejected? The odds of all messianic prophecy being fulfilled as they were are unfathomable. How do any of your objections account for the significance of the impact Jesus Christ made on
this world? Is the impact of a peasant carpenter from the backwater of the world on the world not supernatural in and of itself?
It was written before the fact. Interpreted after the fact. It explains everything that ever happened.
I can do the same thing. In the next one hundred years, good stuff will happen. Also some bad stuff.
Remember, you read it here.
The bible is full of errors.
The "watchmaker" argument fails on its very premise.
The reason a watch is recognized as being designed is not due to its complexity, but rather by comparison and contrasting to things occurring naturally.
Unfortunately for your argument, the there are no other universes by which to compare our universe for signs of design.
Complexity, by itself, is no proof of design.
It's simply proof of complexity.
Errors or lack of understanding? I don't believe the "watchmaker" argument was made.
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Genesis 3:15
Good science is based on empirical data. Extrapolation of empirical data can reveal truth about the past.
Forensic science can reliably prove the past...even when an event wasn't directly observed.
Why is God referring to Eve's seed? Where else is the seed of a woman regarded with esteem? Why would a concocted creation story give reverence to the seed of a woman, rather than a man? What other way is there to interpret this passage other than
foretelling the virgin birth of the Messiah?
As far as the "supernatural" impact on the world, you might take a look at the effect of an orphan from Mecca. He's also had a pretty good run.
Biblical interpretations are limited only by the imagination of the interpreter.
there is no empirical evidence for the existence of your god
...as such, there is no better reason to believe in the Christian god than to believe in Bigfoot.
Something does not come from nothing. Matter, energy, information all come from something. That's science.
where did god come from?
What more to the world has Islam ever been other than a pestilence? You're comparing apples and oranges. Read up on the prioritized one world religion. Sounds remarkably like Islam. Compare the anti-christ the Muslim mahdi.
Islam and Christianity...no proof of either.
you have no argument that isn't easily disproved
God created time. Why do you suppose he would be subject to it? He exists outside of time. We see time much like we watch a movie. One frame at a time in succession from start to finish. God doesn't watch the movie. He made the movie. He sees all the
Read Psalm 22 which was written centuries before Christ and explain to me how it is about anyone other than Christ.
And after you tell us that I want to know how microwaves work
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
Christ on the Cross?
6But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
7All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him,
seeing he delighted in him.
Sounds like Jesus.
quoting a book for which there is no good reason to believe
16For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
I am Sam
Sam I am
"Dogs" was how Jews referred to gentiles. "Pierced my hands and feet." The Persians had not yet invented crucifixion when this was written.
After Psalm 22 read Isaiah 53.
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief:
4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Who fulfilled this other than Christ? Let's hear an alternative interpretation.
Explain Numbers 21:6-9.
6And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.7Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that
he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. 8And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
9And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
I think the Jewish Psalm 22 reads a little differently. I guess it's all a matter of interpretation. Which is exactly what we've been saying.
Every Christian religion interprets it differently. Islam interprets it differently. It's a good read.
A serpent on a pole. Explain
Take what you want from it. I'll do the same.
How do you take Psalm 22?
The serpent on a pole? A woman?
No, Jesus Christ.
Ang,,, I was speaking of the whole bible. I take it somewhat as a book of lessons. Somewhat as a book of fictional stories. Somewhat as a book of history. But never as the word of an omnipresent, all knowing deity.
I was baptized and raised as a catholic. Twelve years of catholic school. I was taught that the bible was the word of God. Don't question, just believe.
Eventually, my God given logic refused to accept that story.
That's not true, Racer. There are common "themes" repeated through the Old and New Testaments which not only establish consistency within each Testament, but also between the Testaments. That is why out is often said that The Bible is the best
Dickinson, NY, USA
interpreter of The Bible. Racer's claim that interpretation is only limited by imagination is false since any interpretation must agree with the whole of The Bible. I challenge anyone to provide an alternative explanation for any event in The Bible t
that would satisfy this threshold of consistency.
That's what happens when your omniscient being's text is no precise and clear.
When you leave room for interpretation...you leave room for ANYONE'S interpretation.
Ang,, Did it ever occur to you that there have been edits along the way that guarantee that consistency. Don't you believe the Jews have that same consistency? Yet come to a very different conclusion?
you mean the text of the NT shows consistency with the OT although it was written after it by hundreds of years...it's a miracle
@ over 2 years ago
Arbutus, MD, USA
The Dead Sea Scrolls are just one of the many evidences that the Gospel hasn't changed. If there was any sort of evidence of The Bible being altered do you really not believe that it wouldn't be taught right alongside evolution in the schools?
Town of Union, NY, USA
If Bible interpretation is only limited by imagination, then gone me an alternative meaning of the crucifixion, the kinsman redeemer, the sacrificial lamb, or anything for that matter.
"Jesus fulfilled 60 major prophecies. The odds of fulfilling just 8 of those prophecies has been calculated at 1 in 10 to the 17th power. That's the equivalent of filling the entire state of Texas two feet deep with silver dollars and having a blind
man pick out a sole red silver dollar on his first try."
Regarding consistency of the Old and New Testament, do you think if we were to sit down and write an uninspired book and add it to The Bible it would not conflict with any other aspect of the Bible? The Bible is comprised of 66 books by 40 authors
compiled over thousands of years, yet containing one consistent message of man's salvation. You don't consider that a supernatural feat?
Catholicism is paganism. It's natural to question truth when it's adulterated with man-made, deceitful doctrine. "A little leaven, leavens the whole lump."
I hate to break this to you, Ang. But If you trace the history of your religion, you will run into a gaggle of Catholics. They did the lion's share of the editing long before your religion was spawned. I don't even know your denomination.
But it makes no difference. The facts are the same.
yep the story as recorded in the NT may just show Jesus as fulfilling what Christians view as prophecy...again a miracle
I trace my "religion" back to Christ according to The Bible discarding the pagan and empire tradition introduced in the 4th century. The Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint prove that no editing took place.
The Apostles were cowards before witnessing The Resurrected Christ. They ran from the Garden of Gethsemane, but after The Resurrection died as martyrs for their Faith. James was executed with a sword. Peter was crucified head downward, Andrew was
Well, I'm happy for you. And I'm sure that if you guys would only point out that fact, the rest of the denominations would gladly come around to your way of thinking.
hanged, Thomas was speared to death, Philip was tortured and crucified, Matthew was beheaded, Nathaneal was flayed and crucified, James the Lesser was thrown from atop the Temple, Simon was crucified, Judas Thaddeus was beaten to death. These
executions are confirmed by secular, non-Christians. Do you really believe these men went to their deaths proclaiming a lie. Doesn't it make more sense that they went to their deaths after following God in the flesh, the resurrected Christ?
Oh, I forgot Paul, the Christian killer. A Jew among Jews who was convinced of the divinity of Christ when he was knocked off his horse by The Resurrected Christ.
These men were not liars. They were God fearing Jews.
JC, you claim to not be a believer, but when I speak poorly of your religious tradition you change your tone. Too many have and still put tradition above truth.
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:11
And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; Matthew 27:51
What is the significance of the Temple curtain being torn in two after Christ's sacrifice on the Cross? It signifies that we no longer need a high priest, pope or any other priestly line of man to go before God on our behalf. Christ is our high
According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. Ephesians 3:11-12
How would you know that though if you're Bible is in Latin and you briefly examine one verse every week?
That's funny. Do you really think Catholics study a Latin bible?
But now that you bring that up. Your bible was in Greek, Hebrew, Syrian, or Latin. It has been translated, edited, abridged, for centuries. Unless you are fluent in those languages,
you are just accepting what some guy told you it says. And that's fine. Just don't try to pass off your translation as being better than anyone else's.
Do you really not see the difference in defense of Catholic tradition as opposed to the actual Word of God and His very existence. You don't have this fervor when talking about God. I read the King James Bible. For more in depth study I go to
blueletterbible.org There I can see the word for word translation, Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, etc. If I need to go deeper I will.
It's not about translation. It's about understanding and meaning.
If you look at history, you'll find that religion has been the primary method used to direct the actions of mankind. Every shaman, priest, pastor, pope, pharaoh, imam, and medicine man has promised eternal life in return for your unquestioned fealty.
The line dividing faith and doubt is as thin as thin can be.
@ over 2 years ago
Ang,,, So, you contend that all other religions and denominations just got it wrong? That somehow your group stumbled onto the real meaning of the bible?
Again, why haven't you simply shown all of the others the errors of their ways?
I'm sure you could have lunch with the pope and have this straightened out on no time.
I see money, power, selfishness, etc. as the means directing man. I see how "religion" has been used to affect those means and as a scapegoat. True Christianity cannot be used for any of those. Know the difference.
None of us are perfect and have everything exactly right. We are to discern the Truth according to the Word. Catholicism is rife with heresy. How could I sit down with the pope and discuss Truth with him when his very office is an abomination?
Religion and power are as intertwined today as they have ever been. From the middle east to middle America. "God is on our side" has rallied more people than any other cry.
Really...which war(s) was that?
Ang,, All religions are dedicated to the truth. I'm sure the pope would welcome the chance to be informed as to where they went wrong.
Are you saying the pope has never read The Bible or a history book? Where is "lent" in The Bible? It's not. The 40 days before Easter that Catholics refer to as lent where they give up something and eat fish on Fridays is a pagan tradition not
existing in the early Church. The tradition is Babylonian and pays homage to Tammuz, the son of Ishtar (Easter in English) who at the age of 40 was killed by a wild boar on a hunting accident. Pagans have up something in this life for forty days (1
The war on Christmas.
day for each year of Tammuz' life) so that they might be with Tammuz in the afterlife. "Coincidentally" what do we eat at the end of those 40 days on Ishtar? Ham...odd. There are books upon books of the unbiblical teachings of the Catholic church.
Boy! You really have a thing about those catholics. I imagine the jews are really on your shìt list.
A very thin line
Nothing against Catholics, only false teachings. What would I have against Jews? Do you depict me as a hater because it is so much easier to discount me rather than the truth?
Besides hating Jews and real Christians is a Catholic tradition.
That's funny. Only because when I was growing up, it was the Baptists who hated the Catholics and Jews.
In school I was taught that the protestants were good people, just misguided.
Now, I've added catholics to that list.
I have to admit I have a "fiddler on the roof" impression of Jews. I've always seen them as good, devout people, steeped in tradition. A little paranoid, but with good reason.
We'll have to agree to disagree. I apologize that I let the thread drift into the territory of denominations. The Bible is so much more than a collection of moral stories and history. I pray that non-believers appreciate the real complexity and
mystery. And also that non-believers critically examine the criticisms and attacks on The Bible for their weaknesses and error. So much criticism has to do with non-existent association with false religion. The greatest tragedy is the errant belief
of 99.99% of non-believers that they actually know and understand God and The Bible.
OK. Agree to disagree. Because I believe the greatest tragedy is the errant belief of 99.9% of believers that they actually know and understand god and the bible.
I believe strongly in the supernatural as I've had way too many experiences to doubt it. I believe in God and the divinity of Jesus. I'm open minded towards the Bible as a book meant to be taken literally in every aspect.
your last sentence confuses me AMi.
If you place a thousand humans who have never had exposure to the bible into a thousand different rooms, and have them read the same version of the bible (which one?), what will be the outcome?
^ directed at anyone, but most curious about angelis' response.
What are you confused about?
People have different opinions of passages in the Bible. It is very clear on who Jesus is, no mystery there. The only debate is whether or not it is to be believed.
yeah he was a western European with blue eyes in the wrong place at the wrong time... Like Reginald Denny
Brunswick, OH, USA
I would think that to the extent they are dedicated to thoroughly studying and examining The Bible would equate to the extent of their consensus. That would be one factor. A second factor would be their actual willingness and ability to lay aside
their own personal opinions and biases. We are to conform to what is written and not try to conform what is written to our own personal opinions and beliefs. Thirdly, we have to consider history. Certain books were written to particular groups. That
being said, we can't exclude anything by claiming they were only intended for a particular group at a particular time. Lastly, I believe it's critical that a reader understand Jewish history, law and custom. One must understand the great days, their
significance and even the rituals involved in their celebration. I study the King James version since it's the earliest and most conforming to those factors I described. Additionally, it's the most studied over history.
I've heard of some ancient Muslim texts that have been found, which intimate that Mohammed was not a real person.
Understandably, Muslim clerics are not happy about the prospect of this being confirmed.
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I'm starting to see a pattern with this mysticism nonsense.
Let's talk about how great Obama is like we used to :-)
North Olmsted, OH, USA
I found your book pink.
I'm not a racist I just have ED
just look at the page you fool.
that's it I unfriend you