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I guess Reagan is the only president that can execute executive orders for illegal immigrant amnesty......

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

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30 years ago . doesn't make it right then or now . different set of actual circumstances . what part of "illegal" don't people understand. (liberal votes) ..

H2O @ almost 3 years ago

Fort Belvoir, VA, USA

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http://kylewingfield.blog.ajc.com/2014/11/17/the-reagan-amnesty-gotcha-that-isnt/

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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plc where does your article supply proof of its claim?

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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What proof would you like? The immigration law of 1986? The fact that Reagan worked with those on the other side of the isle as opposed to what we have now? What proof would you like that you can't find on your own?

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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your obfuscating. How does your article negate my point. Was that even the point of the article?

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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What were the executive actions/orders that Reagan took with regards to immigration that were contrary to what Congress at the time asked for?

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Morningside Heights, New York, NY

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Obama has certainly "evolved" in terms of how he views the legality/constitutionality of what he's planning on doing.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Morningside Heights, New York, NY

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I'm just pointing out that there are major differences in the two. One was working WITH Congress and the other isn't. To try to say otherwise shows a lack of understanding of the situation. But that's not really shocking

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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amnesty did not have repubulican support

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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It was part of the agreed upon deal at the time, that's what was passed by Congress. I think the deal was amnesty and then enforcement. We know which part didn't come to pass.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Morningside Heights, New York, NY

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http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=44317

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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If the Republicans didn't like it then and don't like it now, where's the issue?

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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PLC congress will not work with the president, not the other way around

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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regardless, he used EO for amnesty. the article's main argument is about the magnitude - not about the prior act's constitutionality.

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 3 years ago

South Side, Chicago, IL

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Bam's actions are likely to go much, much further than these ones, that's for sure.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Morningside Heights, New York, NY

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the scale of both reagan, and Poppy Bush's EO's on amnesty would be highly comparable to what Obama will likely do. the stats are nearly identical.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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Really?

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Morningside Heights, New York, NY

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I thought we're gonna do like 5mil or so.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Morningside Heights, New York, NY

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I think they need to work with each other. The President should be willing to work with the Congress and the Congress should be willing to work with the President.

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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based on numbers, probably. but the concept and constitutionality is the same. and the point on no calls for impeaching Reagan for an act of similar constitutionality is the same. it's either constitutional or not.

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 3 years ago

South Side, Chicago, IL

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Bam doesn't even wanna try to work with the new Congress if he plans on doing this now.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Morningside Heights, New York, NY

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The D Senate has run interference by sitting on bills passed by the house. Not even giving the house the courtesy of an up or down vote.

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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i agree, plc. which side is threatened by a primary challenge if they work across the isle?

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 3 years ago

South Side, Chicago, IL

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aisle

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 3 years ago

South Side, Chicago, IL

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Those days are over. Let's see how willing the President is to work with the Congress.

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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EOs working WITH congress are much different than EOs working AGAINST congress.

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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I think you, and the politicians themselves would be surprised by how much good will working across the aisle will garner. Way too many Americans are tired of the ultra partisan bull#### that has soiled a dirty business.

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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Why not just let I dunno a few days go by with the new Congress?

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Morningside Heights, New York, NY

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Or we're not even gonna do that anymore? Cuz you know Bam "hears" all the people who didn't vote and they support him.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Morningside Heights, New York, NY

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this EO working with the current congress, and it agrees with the majority of Americans.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

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It's being done in the lame duck session for a reason.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Morningside Heights, New York, NY

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I don't think unilateral action on immigration by the President agrees with the majority of Americans. I mean you already saw Oregon (an otherwise liberal state) voting against Measure 88 granting them licenses

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Morningside Heights, New York, NY

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how can you say that plc when republicans are already making threats once the new congress is in session?

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

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look up national polls on it drew

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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my point is simply this republicans are already calling Obama's, un-executed, EO an impeachable offense when recent presidents have done the exact same thing regaardless of whose side supports what.......

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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plc not two fays after the elections republicans were discussing impeaching obama

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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at the end of the day though, Obama's presidency is done, and his legacy is etched in the history books. he waded use through aeconomic disaster, got the majority of our people out of the middle east, created a program that put bablance in the

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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healthcare system, and presided over millions of jobs created. H e is just going to cruise these last 2 years.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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Republicans are making threats because he's not even trying to work with them. Unlike Reagan.

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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Two days after he was inaugurated Republicans were planning on undermining him. I can bet that same thing happened with Clinton. Also with Bush by Democrats. And Bush II. And Reagan. That's politics.

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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seriiusly dude i would not work with anyone who spat on me either.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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?? Somebody spat on him?

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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republicans with their anti-american herifitage, personally insulting, an at times racist rhetoric.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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but if you really want to get something done why come out the gateguns drawn making comments like that.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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Rs and Ds don't agree. That's the way it works. You try to meet in the middle. The senate sitting on house bills is not a way to deal with the differences. Let the people chosen by America to represent them to vote.

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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When it's voted down, try to figure out the middle. You'll never get to that by crying that somebodys been spat on.

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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there is two sides to that coin plc

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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Anti American herifitage? Personaly insulting? racist rhetoric? I would say that you are way too sensitive if you think any disagreement is anti American, insulting or racist.

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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I'm not sure what a "gategun" is but the one coming out swinging is the president saying he'll do this before the new year. Totally unwilling to even try to compromise with the new congress.

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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What are the two sides?

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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Dassssss racist! How dare you disagree with Obama!

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Morningside Heights, New York, NY

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at this point both sides are unwilling to work with each other

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI 48083, USA

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@plc - if an eo is unconstitutional, it doesn't matter if it's working with or against congress. that part is irrelevant

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 3 years ago

St Paul, MN 55111, USA

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What's interesting about Obama is unlike Clinton (who triangulated and went center), - - when Barry gets a shellacking he moves further left.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

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My issue isn't with the amnesty but in that it is a very short term solution. Why is amnesty required in the first place? What are we going to change strategically about how we approach immigration

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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These are the questions I want answered and I have heard little from either side.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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It's a reward for sending all those kids here this summer! Well done! Here's our red carpet.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Upper West Side, New York, NY

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Amnesty now, enforcement later? Maybe not sure, probably not. I think that's the plan. Also people keep saying executive order, it's actually most likely gonna be an executive action, (a distinction without much difference)

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Upper West Side, New York, NY

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an EO in it of itself is not unconstitutional. But an EO deliberately meant to undermine the constitutional powers of the congress very well could be.

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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I also want to make the side note about the general opinion of the country. The majority of people are NOT in favor of amnesty. They are in favor of immigration reform.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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The President making a big deal out of his anyway eo is pure political gamesmanship. If he was truly interested in making a difference with the quality of our immigration system he'd be a in a room discussing not at the podium yapping.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Anyway = amnesty

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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isn't there already a Senate bill waiting for the house to vote on?

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

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The Senate hasn't sent it to the House yet

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/02/politics/romney-republican-immigration-senate-sunday-shows/index.html

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/17/senate-democrats-keep-own-immigration-bill-from-ho/?page=2

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/11/18/boehners_stall_on_immigration_124686.html

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

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does the house have a bill

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

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http://www.peggynoonan.com/

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ almost 3 years ago

North Olmsted, OH, USA

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does noonan think Pres Obama is running again

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

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Silver, yes, there is a bill sitting with the House. I guess it isn't one they want to bring to a vote. There are many bills sitting in Reid's desk as well. You are correct when referring to that specific bill.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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But all the same the President should not act on this executive order without doing it in tandem with passable legislation that provides long term immigration reform

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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If Bam does this during the lame duck session, it shows he doesn't even wanna attempt to try to work with the new Congress on anything.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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what's the other spin? ah well. republicrats at it again.

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Cerritos, CA 90703, USA

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we're way beyond.... BENGHAZI!!!!!!! mightvas well hang s sign at the Oval Office: NO BLACKS

Mr. Pink @ almost 3 years ago

Strongsville, OH 44136, USA

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duh ...

Mr. Pink @ almost 3 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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the current house doesn't want to work with him now or they would do something with the Senate bill...why will that be better in a few months...unless of course it has only been about politics which is cool but don't make this about anything else

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

Arbutus, MD, USA

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Noonan thinks Obama is a narcissistic self centered crazy liberal.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ almost 3 years ago

North Olmsted, OH, USA

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Politics are definitely a factor (see Keystone XL, poor Mary can't even get a vote). I will say that if Barack waits until the next Congress, and the Republicans show the same lack of interest in addressing reform, then they will only be shooting

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Addison, IL, USA

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themselves in the foot.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Addison, IL, USA

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It's also very possible that the House would send back the bill with changes that the Democratic Senate would have issue with resulting in a net waste of time.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Addison, IL, USA

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so waste their time

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

Madison Park, Baltimore, MD

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but he is not running again galt you might want to bring her up to speed

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

Madison Park, Baltimore, MD

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Why?

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Bush didn't run in 2008 but the Democrats still ran against him. Just the way it is

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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oh absolutely they should run against him...and I was of the mind that Pres Obama shouldn't do the EO thing but now I think he should to force them to do something on immigration...his moving on immigration in 2012 helped the dems and it will here

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

Arbutus, MD, USA

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Why would it force them to do anything?

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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If anything it would take the pressure off them

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Really Obama isn't running again? Why is he always giving campaign speeches,...... I know, if he had any experience running anything, he start working with Congress.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ almost 3 years ago

North Olmsted, OH, USA

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to the contrary, their inaction would show that he needed to do something on the issue because the reps refuse to...that is how it will be sold and that is how people will buy it

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

Catonsville, MD, USA

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...and galt still has nothing to offer to the debate...at least you're consistent

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

Catonsville, MD, USA

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That's how the people who believed "if you like your plan, you can keep it. Period" might buy it, yeah sure.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

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Please explain how is the executive branch at the end of the legislative process, stopping the legislative branch from doing their job. This President has been begging the Gop six years to produce a bill on immigration

Bhaven87 @ almost 3 years ago

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reform. The Senate has passed a bipartisan bill, that house refused to bring to the floor for a vote.

Bhaven87 @ almost 3 years ago

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The legislative branch doesn't have to do the President's bidding. They can do whatever they like. They are equal in power.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Palatine, IL, USA

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whatever...they will buy it...mainly because it's true

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

Arbutus, MD, USA

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CD4QqQIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Freagan-and-bush-made-immigration-executive-orders-2014-11&ei=i1BtVK-qKY-qyAT7-IHYC

Bhaven87 @ almost 3 years ago

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xactly ami...they don't have to obviously...and they don't like doing anything on immigration

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

Arbutus, MD, USA

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Not in the current split but we'll see what they put forth in the new unified Congress

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Palatine, IL, USA

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So please explain again how the President refuse to work with the Gop in Congress. You just said they do not need him to do their job.

Bhaven87 @ almost 3 years ago

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why on fücking earth would Africans (who reside in America) want fücking immigrants sucking up low paying jobs and welfare\foodstamp monies?

Mr. Pink @ almost 3 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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I can understand the jobs for most but the government money will be divided by more.Now there's an example of the stupidity and lack of economic understanding right?

Mr. Pink @ almost 3 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Pink I take exception to your use of the term African. The vast majority of Africans who find their way here are educated professionals who are less likely to receive welfare than any color of American.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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roger that AM I stand corrected I actually meant the ancestors of the slaves who are living here destroying the fücking place

Mr. Pink @ almost 3 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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let's just call them undocumented

Mr. Pink @ almost 3 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Hey, thinker! How is Michigan treating you and the family?

et in Arcadia ego @ almost 3 years ago

Dallas, TX, USA

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It's so important that the D controlled congress from 09-10 didnt send the president anything either.

Taco Bowl @ almost 3 years ago

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Giving the ability to work legally to a few million people who snuck across the border at a time when many were losing their jobs? Not politically smart.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Because they were sending other important legislative to the President desk. The healthcare Law, Ledbetter act, Chip program, the reauthorization of the Patriot Act, NSA things the right

Bhaven87 @ almost 3 years ago

Temple, TX, USA

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praised W as keeping us safe. The House hadn't done anything about immigration, at least the Senate has passed a bipartisan bill, that's sitting on boner's desk..

Bhaven87 @ almost 3 years ago

Temple, TX, USA

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*legislative=legislation*

Bhaven87 @ almost 3 years ago

Temple, TX, USA

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So what you're saying is that immigration was low on their priority list. So low that it was still years until they actually attempted to put a legit immigration bill on the table. And after all these years they expect everyone to jump when

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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and how high they say to.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Yes, It was lower than the other bills on his agenda. But he has always been asking the legislative branch to produce something he could sign for the pass six years. House leaderships say it's important, just not important to actually do

Bhaven87 @ almost 3 years ago

Temple, TX, USA

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something about it.

Bhaven87 @ almost 3 years ago

Temple, TX, USA

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pretty good sir glad to finally be back the new company is awesome

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Sterling Heights, MI, USA

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all i was doing was making a simple point. an executive order is an executive order.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Madison Heights, MI, USA

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besides all the side fluff about which side of congress agrees with what.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

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republicans have publically stated that they will move for impeachment if he approaches immagration

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

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That would be poltical suicide and a huge waste of tax payer dollars

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

what to impeach Obama?

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

lol, I know....

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

if you think they won't test the waters you must not know the new GOP.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

201a1ee3da38651c237630b5fee3fafd

Not when this President does one. This EO is just like the one Reagan done in 87, to cover the 1.5 m children not covered in the 1986 bill. Thanks Reagan for the quote "Anchor baby".

Bhaven87 @ almost 3 years ago

Temple, TX, USA

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especially since they have control of the house and sensate

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

i will say this the next 2 years will be interesting.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

i think there shear hate for the guy get them to at least test the waters.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

that is also my point bhaven.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

my last point is that we should be the last country blasting "illegal immagrants". Everyone in this country today is "illegal". But I forget what country I am talking about here. We are the ignorant hypocrites of the world. We tell the world how it

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

should live, but refuse to address the pronlems in our own country, we tell "illegal" migrants to this country you have to go back where you come from, but won't address our own illegality. GOD BLESS US!

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

our sovereignty over this land we call America was attained by tyrannical acts. Our history riddled by violence, and depravity. What gives us our rights? a document written by people who were themselves corrupt hypocrites to the ideals they put in

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

the documents that laid the foundation of our great country. we are all here together and we have learned from our past. we should embrace the people migrating here and make it easier because we have learned the lesskns of our past.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

thinker, I get the whole evil colonists argument but some of the people here were pretty damn brutal as well the whole peaceful, Earth loving, American Indian is as much of a lie as anything

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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white people guilty off violence and depravity? Pink, any comment?

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Southwood Riviera, Torrance, CA 90505

201a1ee3da38651c237630b5fee3fafd

Ami, You might have that same mentality if some strange people with their diseases, and culture just moved in your house claiming they discovered it.

Bhaven87 @ almost 3 years ago

Temple, TX, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

agreed, I am not saying they weren't. They were great warriors, but that isn't my arguememt.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Bhaven, no, some people have good intentions. Some people do not. The are plenty of both in every group of people. American Indians were not some unified group, they were often brutal to one another. The colonists simply added another

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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variable

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

the indians were a people that had not matured

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

They weren't a singular people though, this is what I'm saying! The Cherokee and the Navajo were as different as night and day

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

It was a land of many many nations. Not a nation of different peoples

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Nah, man, they didn't fight at all. They were one big happy family and in harmony with nature, Avatar-style (just not blue or with magical dreadlocks).

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

all of which had sovereignty.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

We have sovereignty too yet here we are about to give amnesty to millions of invaders

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Either we're much more welcoming than the Indians were or we're way bigger suckers

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

we took soveriegnty here. Big difference.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Didn't the east coast tribes accept the white invaders because they saw them as a powerful ally in defending their territory from other indians?

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

So did they. You think they just all wandered in together and peacefully divided up the land? Nope, that's not how things worked back then.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

That may have been the first American case of unintended consequences.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

201a1ee3da38651c237630b5fee3fafd

Colonists just helped to unified the different tribes against a common enemy, The Great European discoverer of this new land. If they have good intentions, it would be alright

Bhaven87 @ almost 3 years ago

Temple, TX, USA

201a1ee3da38651c237630b5fee3fafd

for them to move in your house.

Bhaven87 @ almost 3 years ago

Temple, TX, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Bhaven, that's not correct either. Many tribes were allies with the colonists. Just so you don't think I'm some sort of cheerleader for the young American nation, I thought the Indian Removal Act was heinous and cruel.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

But I tend to see the world very pragmatically and try to avoid cemented positions (even though as being human I can get caught up in that trap sometimes)

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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AMI, invaders? do you REALLY feel that way?

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Southwood Riviera, Torrance, CA 90505

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No, just fighting hyperbole with hyperbole.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Addison, IL, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

aha!

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Northeast Torrance, Torrance, CA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

Why does ANYBODY celebrate this holiday. Christopher Columbus: What Really Happened: http://youtu.be/aF_unlvjccA

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Detroit, MI, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

It's an important date, no matter how one commemorates it.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

its a lie and another example of how history is white washed, and messaged into falsehoods.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Detroit, MI, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Seems the people on Hispanola got things off to a bad start by killing the first 30 colonists

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

That fact aside, I have never fully understood why we celebrate a person who never set foot in what is now our country.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Yeah. They should have just built a fence.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Obviously

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

Obama said something very racist, he called illegal immigrants..... Bed makers and fruit pickers.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ almost 3 years ago

North Olmsted, OH, USA

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

Fruit pickers and bed makers: http://youtu.be/4uDA5Eccws0

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ almost 3 years ago

North Olmsted, OH, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

they did no doubt, but columbus was had the hispaniolas defeated. Why did he proceed to enslave and exterminate natives.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

You know, that is pretty darn racist!

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

Rome should be totally destroyed and forced to pay reparations. . Egypt, a huge slave nation should be forced also. . England, Spain, ... . Let's make history reflect liberal ideals of 2014… .

H2O @ almost 3 years ago

Fort Belvoir, VA, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

thinker because that's what conquering nations did back in the day.... It was the common (not justified) way to establish dominance and forcefully assimilate one culture into another

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

are you serious? racist, no...... he was demonstrating and posing an empathetuc argument.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

empathetic*

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

funny how current democracy nations are all liberals wish to complain about. . Russia, China, north Korea, pick a middle African country,, all are great to a liberal. . hell liberals even find Hitler's actions justified. .

H2O @ almost 3 years ago

Fort Belvoir, VA, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

and by difinition it is not racist. For something to be racist there must be a group that is offended. show me a video of mexicans that were offended by that.......

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

He totally left out the ones who mow our lawns and clean our pools.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

that is what you call racist john? no I see why you have nothing to say about things that ARE racist.....smdh.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

It would be even harder to produce a video of a white personel cleaning a hotel room.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

I see white hotel staff all the time jc. Sure they're typically Eastern European but they definitely aren't Hispanic

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

my fingers are too fat for this keyboard

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

i point to mexicans because i remember that speech and it was one of his many pushes for immigration reform.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

AMI,, OK. I should have said west of the Mississippi. My bad.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Oh you meant "over there"

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

all i am saying is it should not be a national holiday.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

No, it shouldn't. There are many, much more honorable people available to be celebrated

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Regarding Columbus. It's one thing to celebrate, it's another to commemorate, he ushered in a ton of changes... Just like other historical events that have good and bad. And while he didn't get to our country, he certainly set up our exports.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

on that we can agree. .

H2O @ almost 3 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

It's commemorated still in places where most of the people view him as doing a *lot* more damage than here.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

Of course it's racist, if a Republican said it, your head would explode.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ almost 3 years ago

North Olmsted, OH, USA

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

The discovery of the new world should be celebrated. Period.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ almost 3 years ago

North Olmsted, OH, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Also people forget that indigenous people ended up dying mostly by disease brought by colonists. The Europeans had some immunity for stuff like small pox, it had never been encountered in the New World.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Which meant that missionaries and other good people who tried to help, often ended up spreading that as well.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

thats the thing he didnt discover the "new world".

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

No one really knows who did

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

Of course he did......

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ almost 3 years ago

North Olmsted, OH, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

no matter who you subscribe to discovering the "new world", the earth was considered "Flat" until Columbus returned. . he as a minimum opened up the world to it's potential. good & bad. .

H2O @ almost 3 years ago

Courtland, VA, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

nations/people have settled, conquered, lost, dominated, submitted from the beginning of man. . to assert 1 nation or race is responsible for all the ills & misfortunes in the world is just a misinformed display of prejudices .

H2O @ almost 3 years ago

Courtland, VA, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Humans are humans

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

here is a simple concept you can't discover what what has already been found.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

european believed the world was flat...... the idea that the world was round was discovered long before columbus' travels

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I thought that the Europeans (well the learned ones anyway) thought the earth was round well before Columbus. His problem was just that he thought it was round but much smaller.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Columbus also didn't even discover the new world for Europeans, the vikings got there earlier. However, the knowledge of it was long gone by Columbus's time.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Early Greek philosophers were the first to state that the Earth was spherical. Educated persons for the most part never reverted back to a flat Earth past that point.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

exactly

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

I'm going to agree with AMI and thinker. it was an accidental event that wrought many changes.

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

to defend John, it was discovery for Europe and Columbus. If we were to celebrate anything, though, it would be his seamanship. That's about it.

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

I bet Pink would really appreciate his seamanship

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Maybe we could celebrate National Seamanship Day!

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Semen ship!

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Dammit Drew, you sunk my subtlety

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

lol @AMI

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Troy, MI, USA

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

Mowed lawns Made beds Cleaned bedpans Picked fruit Obama's teleprompter is racist.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ almost 3 years ago

North Olmsted, OH, USA

75c0efaa27986c943c72b78a0fa61431

Put your banjo down Cletus and brush your teeth.

srorriM & ekomS @ almost 3 years ago

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Obama only injected those job descriptions to diffuse the arguement that they are taking our Jobs. Bush did the same thing. Except he just said that they are doing the Jobs that Americans don't want to do.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Well now that it is legal for them to work maybe they'd like to try for something better than fruit picker or bed maker.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

not much chance of that. If an immigration unfriendly president wins in 2016, any immigrant in a higher visibility job would likely be deported.

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Immigration unfriendly or illegal immigration unfriendly?

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Yeah they might as well just keep slaving away

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

I like the idea of a new President changing, by exec order: business tax rates capital gain taxes abortion clinic rules affirmative action rules etc . . I'm

H2O @ almost 3 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

I'm pretty sure dems wouldn't care, after all it's got precedence now. . heck even Obamacare can be altered .

H2O @ almost 3 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Who needs Congress to change a law now! wheeeeee

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

What undocumented immigrants can't work legally according to the law???? Executive order!

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

75c0efaa27986c943c72b78a0fa61431

They won't care because republicans haven't won a presidential election without a bush or Nixon on the ballot since 1928

srorriM & ekomS @ almost 3 years ago

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Reagan

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Eisenhower

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

4a315ca5f80d2903bee925615a1deb5a

this didn't establish precedent...TJ established precedent...we may be able to push to Washington depending on what exactly is meant by precedent

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

Arbutus, MD, USA

4a315ca5f80d2903bee925615a1deb5a

bush was on the ballot with reagan...nixon with ike

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

Arbutus, MD, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Good point Silver

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

4a315ca5f80d2903bee925615a1deb5a

about this not establishing precedent...thanks

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

Arbutus, MD, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Sure. .. But I'm trying to determine exactly where an executive order would be considered an abuse of power. At which point does it tip the balance of power to the Executive branch?

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Also Obama said for years he did not have the authority to do what he just did. Was he wrong all those years? Or did he lie? Or did he just not know what he was talking about?

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

4a315ca5f80d2903bee925615a1deb5a

did he say that?

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

Arbutus, MD, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Yes

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

4a315ca5f80d2903bee925615a1deb5a

what exactly did he say?

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

Arbutus, MD, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

… With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed …. - See more at: http://m.speaker.gov/general/22-times-president-obama-

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

4a315ca5f80d2903bee925615a1deb5a

Biden must have squared him away

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

Arbutus, MD, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Must have been it

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

illegal OR legal. They are related.

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

That is immaterial unless there is a minor involved

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

More than that even, Bam has said similar stuff to Univision and to hecklers at his speeches. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/us/by-using-executive-order-on-immigration-obama-would-reverse-long-held-stance.html?referrer=

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I guess he's "evolved" now?

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Rose Hill, New York, NY

4a315ca5f80d2903bee925615a1deb5a

I thought univision is where ami got his quotes

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Well the point is, Obama claimed he did not have the power to do exactly what he just did on numerous occasions.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

And here's the thing. Despite everyone (supporters & opponents) recognizes that he's changed his own position on executive authority... He, Barack, won't admit to that.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

*recognizing, (sorry)

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Drew, the guy is comfortable in his deceit and most of his supporters are more than happy to embrace the illusion. He is a fantastic American politician.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

They eat up whatever diarrhea of lies the man spews.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

every president's supporters do that. this is not new. but look at his popularity now. not so fantastic.

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

other presidents have spewed better lies, and pulled most of the nation along with them.

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

That's true Undr... Lots of the goodwill towards Obama has been exhausted.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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UW, not all Presidents have been equal in their deception and not all have received the same levels of blind support. And, the sad thing is that although many might disapprove of Obama, they'd still vote for him.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

It's weird though he lies about this though, claiming his position hasn't changed. What's the purpose of it, I don't think his supporters would give a #### if he declared that he's "evolved' on this, and it wouldn't help with his opponents.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Drew, yes but for many a disappointing Democrat is the better option versus any Republican.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

If they decide to vote in the first place

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

By the way, Obama has special telepathic powers like Professor X from X-Men where he can hear the voices of millions of nonvoters

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

You never know what technology they have these days

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

Hahaha, non voters unite.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ almost 3 years ago

North Olmsted, OH, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

AMI, re blind support, I'll agree to disagree with you there. I've seen plenty in the past.

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

as for the non-voters; I still contend it's political fatigue.

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Plenty doesn't mean equal

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Things were on a whole different level with Obama. None of the other guys really had that kinda worship. I don't know if we'll ever see that again for a while.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Poltical fatigue or not, his statement that he "hears" them is non committal. It sounds good but means absolutely nothing. But that's pure Obama after all.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

In the words of that horribly repetitive John Mayer song, say what you need to say

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

political fatigue from the very first election... . my ass,,,, .. lazy, don't give a ####,, just as happy with a communist government, a dictatorship, or a democracy.. . but Obama hears them . his self denial of the election results. .

H2O @ almost 3 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

"there just can't be that many conservatives in the country." .

H2O @ almost 3 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

oh, I agree that it's meaningless coming from him, or any other politician for that matter.

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Lakewood, CA, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

in terms of worship, besides a couple of high profile individuals, I really haven't seen it.

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Lakewood, CA, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

people who criticize him often bring it up though.

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Lakewood, CA, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Remember the stadium speech with the pillars? The children singing about Obama? The ####íng Nobel Peace prize? Come on man surely you jest. Obama was near deity status. Loyalty to him has waned, but like said before, they'd vote for him again

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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Hope springs eternal

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

75c0efaa27986c943c72b78a0fa61431

Silly people, wishing for hope and a more promising future. You know why he won the election and the Nobel prize? You know why "they" would vote for him again? Because he's not Bush. That's how bad Bush was.

srorriM & ekomS @ almost 3 years ago

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The republicans knew how badly they had fûcked up the country and how much people hated them so they took a dive in 08 and immediately started to play "blame the negro" for four years.

srorriM & ekomS @ almost 3 years ago

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Then the best candidate they could come up with was Mitt Romney! It's pure genius. Sit on the sidelines while all your oil and defense buddies reap billions in profits from the chaos you've caused.

srorriM & ekomS @ almost 3 years ago

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Yell loudly how inept and inexperienced our president is and whisper that he might be a Kenyan Muslim.

srorriM & ekomS @ almost 3 years ago

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Mitt's biggest flaw was that he was too similar to Obama.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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There was never any good answer to "well, what about Romneycare?"

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

75c0efaa27986c943c72b78a0fa61431

No he was too similar to Bush. A politician's son born of privilege. Never had to earn or work for anything in his entire life. Didn't have to go to Vietnam.

srorriM & ekomS @ almost 3 years ago

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That's why when he put on jeans and a flannel no one believed him.

srorriM & ekomS @ almost 3 years ago

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Romneycare is totally different! How?? *silence*

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

Ff0bc45e0c6ab8165b04eb40e5b1acf7

Romney had the election won a few weeks beforehand, but he pissed it down his leg.

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

"Obama was born as poor as poor can be. - Dr Evil. "

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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Romney was a loser all the way...he didn't lose it at the end...he was always a loser...as a presidential candidate

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

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you should run him again

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

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Yeah, I'll give him a call, whatever

AMI @ almost 3 years ago

Villa Park, IL, USA

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hah!

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

YES WE CAN!

Mr. Pink @ almost 3 years ago

Strongsville, OH, USA

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Caught this one on RCP. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/cartoons/images/2014/11/20/nick_anderson_current_cartoon_2014-11-20_5_.jpg

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

even in Libesota, I find far more people who rabidly hate him due to misinformation than blind worship. fwd:fwd:fwd:re:fwd:look what the seekret mooslim Kenyan community organizer is doing now about 25:1

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 3 years ago

Rochester, MN, USA

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Silver,, I believe Mitt actually is ramping up for another run. If enough money shows interest, he'll give it another try. He probably believes that the country regrets not having elected him.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

similar to obama...... in what way? the contrast was stark....

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Detroit, MI, USA

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so just because of a policy agreement, or disagreement because romney ran away from romneycare faster than pink running away from a straight orgy, they were a different as night and day.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Detroit, MI, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I don't doubt ya Skål, blind worship of Obama hasn't been fashionable for quite some time.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

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It's something you saw pre-election 2008 and in the honeymoon period afterwards.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Thinker, nobody really knows how a President Romney would actually govern. You're just basing what you think is distinct from his electoral appeals.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

@drew - does posthumously fellating Reagan count? if so, that's at a level far beyond the temporary excitement from Hope and Change™

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 3 years ago

Rochester, MN, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

What do you consider posthumously "fellating", and I think what happened with JFK goes beyond what happened with Reagan (in JFK's case you had his detractors actually withholding from publishing critical books for a few years)

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I don't think liberals ever really withheld much with Reagan

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I think when someone dies though and isn't in office, there's a different dynamic. And you can say with JFK because he was assassinated, that's different too.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Enough years have passed to obliterate the bad, and exaggerate the good in both cases. JFK lived in a time when the press actually protected the presidency. Nixon was the first "No holds barred" POTUS in my memory.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Jc, yet right after JFK died before enough years had gone by.. Victor Lasky pulled his book for a few years.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Sure. I believe an earlier release would have been met with public outrage. JFK achieved instant sainthood. Reagan needed the passage of time.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Uninspiring pretty boy presidency, helped to create the Cuban Missile Crisis in the first place. Huge disconnect between how historians (of all flavors) rate him and public view

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Just ask any young conservative about Iran-contra, or the savings and loan debacle. You will be met with a blank stare.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

posthumously fellating = activities similar to what you ascribe as worshipping how many times has St. Reagan's name been invoked by politicians and commentators the last 8 years...

Tjaden Froyda @ almost 3 years ago

Rochester, MN, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Press protected the presidency because there might have been atomic war at any moment. I guess it's sorta understandable. Although, it's not like that concern ended after JFK.. So not really sure.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Skål, then why does Eastern Europe do it, eh?

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

How many times was Reagan painted on crucifixes... Not by politicians, but just by random artists?

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

JFK blew it with the bay of pigs. He played a strong hand in the missile crisis mostly because of bad Intel. He traded away a missile system, and managed to keep it secret. The public thought he won when he actually broke even.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I don't think he broke even, I think he fúcked up. It's like some dude leaving a bunch of oil soaked rags around his farmhouse and managing to barely put out the fire.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Yeah I know.. He didn't start the fire, it's been always burning since the world's been turning

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

As far as the press treatment goes, FDR and Ike were also handled with kid gloves. I believe it was just a respect for the presidency. Not the president.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Anyway, I don't think you can compare Reagan-worship or JFK worship with the Obama stuff. Different dynamic. The Obama stuff was completely blind, with JFK and Reagan depending on your view, you could say people are looking at

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

the past through rose-colored glasses. But they are still looking at the past.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

I believe a lot of the Obama mania evolved from a feeling that America was healing the wound inflicted by slavery. More than a few people voted for him just because they thought they were a part of an historic event.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

It's conceivable that those same voters will come out for Hilary. Especially if the economy continues to improve.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Well, it was an historic event (or is it *a* historic event, grammarists are conflicted)

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

They aren't the only ones.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

It's taken as a given that Hillary will run, but her health is still a wild card. She's had scares in the past, I don't wish that on anyone though.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

I think even if she runs, she won't inspire the same fervor, she's just not new enough. The far left could project their hopes on Obama, they can't do that with Hillary, - - Elizabeth Warren they could

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

I don't know, Drew. There is a lot of nostalgia regarding the Clinton years. If I thought there was a chance for four years like that, I'd vote for the old broad.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

she's not bill . she now has baggage (good & bad) . she's much older now . health is questionable .

H2O @ almost 3 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

. she will win.

-the thinker @ almost 3 years ago

Detroit, MI, USA

4342ac70ef9790b784efa69ef1a3fdf4

Yes there a lot of suppositions in her candidacy, but, if Hillary runs and makes it through the Primaries, she will win.

Bankai! @ almost 3 years ago

Huntsville, AL 35806, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

she may be the only viable woman presidential candidate. another potential historic event.

UndrWater @ almost 3 years ago

Cerritos, CA, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Jc, still it's different. With Obama it was a blank slate basically, and anyone any degree left of center was projecting onto him. The far left considers Hillary to be too centrist and too hawkish. They'll get behind her anyway but

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

You're not gonna see Hillarymania from them.

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

put condi on the rep ticket.. . hill dies on the vine . just not sure she holds up under a presidential campaign. .

H2O @ almost 3 years ago

Spotsylvania, VA 22553, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Voters want that new car smell. http://abcn.ws/1HCF4EW This is the current smell. http://youtu.be/-pEhqiCD27E. B.B.O is right!

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

5f13389fd6ea4b6de49bacec84ed7d8f

Drew,, You might be right. It should be her turn. But the dems don't follow that rule as much as the republicans. If a well groomed hispanic lesbian shows up, Hilary could be out of the running again.

jc @ almost 3 years ago

Yellow Springs, OH 45387, USA

4a315ca5f80d2903bee925615a1deb5a

well groomed like not mustachioed?

Silverfox @ almost 3 years ago

Arbutus, MD, USA

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Ewwy

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Yorkville, New York, NY

26e82c69bac3abe48cfce8aae262fda8

Uh, uh, uh.. Didn't think of that one, uhh uhh. http://www.mrctv.org/blog/watch-president-obama-fumble-easy-question-precedent

The Drew @ almost 3 years ago

Alphabet City, New York, NY

A39f5aef0adb6cea421f333e4cc9b583

if obama signs an executive order that bans midget porn im joining the tea party! live free or die!

[412035] @ almost 3 years ago

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