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the exchanges are open and the gov is shutdown, now what?

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

Comments (205)

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would you buy insurance from a place that can't keep it's doors open?

Kzoo @ about 4 years ago

Schoolcraft, MI 49087, USA

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free health care

Mr. Pink @ about 4 years ago

Brunswick, OH, USA

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Guam tipped over, too.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ about 4 years ago

Olmsted, OH, USA

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Happy Obamacare Day everyone. What did you say this shut down accomplishmented?

Mr. P @ about 4 years ago

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Happy Obamacare Day everyone. What did you say this shut down accomplishmented?

Mr. P @ about 4 years ago

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Will the Democrats really support obamacare, when they find out that you need a photo ID to sign up?

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ about 4 years ago

Olmsted, OH, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

Mr P You're beginning to sound like a woman stop that. We're in very confusing times right now where the hippie becomes pro-government. Where the illegal alien becomes pro-government Where African Americans want more government in their lifes

Mr. Pink @ about 4 years ago

Brunswick, OH, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

Where muff divers want the government in their bedrooms What else? These are some confusing times Oh yeah this is funny! Government run healthcare!

Mr. Pink @ about 4 years ago

Brunswick, OH, USA

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Maybe Obama should go back to cutting the deficit in half

Mr. Pink @ about 4 years ago

Brunswick, OH, USA

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Thinker... http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/as-shutdown-looms-obamacare-exchanges-still-set-for-launch-97510.html

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Montgomery, IL, USA

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I am aware that obamacare rolls forward regardless of the gov shutting down because it is non-discreyionary spending........ considering this fact how long do you think house republicans will be able to hold the country hostage? there actions have

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

2401-2421 S Nappanee St, Elkhart, IN 46517

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actions change nothing.....

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

2401-2421 S Nappanee St, Elkhart, IN 46517

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*their

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

2401-2421 S Nappanee St, Elkhart, IN 46517

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kzoo - no one is buying insurance from the govt.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, USA

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What compromise have the Democrats made? Both sides are holding their ground. The government has been shut down before, and it will probably all be over within 15 days.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Montgomery, IL, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Just because you agree with a law that some in this country do not doesn't mean that only one side is to blame.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

So now, as I understand it. If you don't buy health care you pay a fine of 1 percent of your income at the end of the year and that's it. That is Obama's signature health plan.

Mr. Pink @ about 4 years ago

Brunswick, OH, USA

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This is what this guy has been working on for five years :-)

Mr. Pink @ about 4 years ago

Brunswick, OH, USA

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AMI doesn't it seen reasonable to say that a law that was legitimately passed according to the rules of the Congress, should be implemented?

Dr. Evil @ about 4 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Or is it reasonable to assume that a law should be passed...then the entirety of the workings of the government held up in order to prevent the law from being implemented?

Dr. Evil @ about 4 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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So where were we? Oh yeah George Bush! HE LIED!!!! And Dick Cheney shot his friend in the face you fuçking ÀSSHOLES you scared the shït out of us! You can now get back to blowing each other and legalizing marijuana.

Mr. Pink @ about 4 years ago

Brunswick, OH, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

I ask because that statement of yours is unusually obtuse and tortured...for you, anyway. Smacks of logic used by Galt or NTV etc.

Dr. Evil @ about 4 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

C767f03aeb282b9660d8157840047228

Pink, the penalty is only $95/adult in the first year. If you are healthy, don't buy health insurance unless you get sick (remember, no preexisting condition can stop you!).

Dr. Evil @ about 4 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Doc, the law is being implemented regardless. What annoys me is that the details up for negotiation seem to he inconspicuous. And there seems to be very little effort from both sides to clarify their positions on those details.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

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Lots of high level rhetoric designed to rally the voter base, nothing that cuts to the heart of the matter.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Pink was correct regarding the percentage which increases the next couple of years up to 2.5% of total income...until they increase that again because that's what happens with government

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/13/news/economy/obamacare-penalty/index.html

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

One side demanding a one year delay on Obamacare, but why??? The other side pretending that a law cannot be challenged, then why have a representative republic???

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

The Democrats are no strangers to the government shutdown game http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/25/here-is-every-previous-government-shutdown-why-they-happened-and-how-they-ended/

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

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AMI, why should the democrats compromise on a law that has been tested in both houses of congress, the supreme court, and the presidential election...... the fight for whether, or not this law should go into affect has been fought and decided.....

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

2401-2421 S Nappanee St, Elkhart, IN 46517

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why is obamacare even being weighed in on this debate it is irrelavent, and and the actions taken does not affect obamacares implementation.

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

2401-2421 S Nappanee St, Elkhart, IN 46517

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I same they are to blame because they interjected obamacare...... it was not apart of the discussion. republicans added obamacare to the discussions and are using it as the sword they want to lean on.

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

2401-2421 S Nappanee St, Elkhart, IN 46517

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

republicans are to blame for this......

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

2401-2421 S Nappanee St, Elkhart, IN 46517

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Ok, so the Democrats have no right to ever challenge a law passed by a Republican controlled government before they were elected into a majority?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Let's say in 2010 the situations were reversed in government and the Republicans passed a law requiring every person to purchase a firearm or pay a fine. Would you have the same disposition towards a Democrat House challenge towards that law?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Montgomery, IL, USA

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once again, for the foruth time, they have created a crisis...... my stocks lost 2% last night at mid-night..... they fought this law tooth, and nail and lost.

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

2401-2421 S Nappanee St, Elkhart, IN 46517

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they can't do this everytime there is an opportunity.

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

2401-2421 S Nappanee St, Elkhart, IN 46517

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why do they want to kill something before we have ssen it in action?

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

2401-2421 S Nappanee St, Elkhart, IN 46517

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Probably for several reasons, they oppose how the law functions, their constituents want them to fight it, they feel there are better options, etc

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

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If this is a crisis, it only shows how massive our government has become.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

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Tell me why are our congressional staffers exempt and over 17,000 businesses? If it's so great, shouldn't we all suffer together, what about fairness..... Liberals are selfish.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ about 4 years ago

Olmsted, OH, USA

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http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2013/09/who-is-exempt-from-obamacares-mandate.html

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Montgomery, IL, USA

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

Obamacare is part of the non existing budget, and it should be debated during budget talks and debt ceiling increases. Why don't Obama have budget? Don't say republicans, dems had total control the first two years and didn't have one.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ about 4 years ago

Olmsted, OH, USA

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I have one question for you have dems every pulled this stunt? have they ever shut down gov because they didn't get what they want?

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

2401-2421 S Nappanee St, Elkhart, IN 46517

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

Obama is going to be the first president to go all eight years without a budget.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ about 4 years ago

Olmsted, OH, USA

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

Do you have Google? The government shut down 17 other times.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ about 4 years ago

Olmsted, OH, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Thinker, yes, the Democrats in the House disagreed with Reagan mainly on defense and domestic initiatives in the 80s a few times.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Montgomery, IL, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Keep in mind this is first time under Obama that government has shut down. The Republicans have been relatively conciliatory.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

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I heard that Obamacare website is shut down too.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ about 4 years ago

Olmsted, OH, USA

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I hear that if you have a pre-existing conditions and you're dead broke because you've been shooting heroin all your life you get it taken care of anyway and we pay for it

Mr. Pink @ about 4 years ago

Brunswick, OH, USA

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....... but did they shut the gov down?

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

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As a matter of fact the only people the law seems to help is dead ass broke arrow in attics with pre-existing conditions she sells seashells by the seashore

Mr. Pink @ about 4 years ago

Brunswick, OH, USA

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Other than that nothing has changed the doc still has camel toe and skÅl is still a homo

Mr. Pink @ about 4 years ago

Brunswick, OH, USA

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Now back to cutting the deficit in half yes we can! Yes we can! àssssholes!!!!!!!

Mr. Pink @ about 4 years ago

Brunswick, OH, USA

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whose fault is that john whose responsibility is that?

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

2401-2421 S Nappanee St, Elkhart, IN 46517

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Thinker, yes, the government was shut down

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

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@AMI - No one is saying that the law can't be challenged. It has been in the house 40+ times. The details of what is up for negotiations on the democrat side haven't been conspicious at all regarding ACA. They've

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

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just fallen on deaf ears. @Galt - congressional staff isn't exempt. I don't think you know how the waivers worked either. http://www.factcheck.org/2010/12/health-care-law-waivers/ Love you too, Pink

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

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Skål, what specifically are the Democrats willing to negotiate on at this point in time?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

Are you saying that congressional staffers aren't getting health care coverage subsidy? Are you saying that their subsidizes are exactly the same as everyone else? Because there's seems to be a lot of confusion.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ about 4 years ago

Olmsted, OH, USA

7feb020fb3d3aa6cf2752031cf61da89

Nothing!!!! But I'm on the side of let it be delayed, as it is for over 15k businesses and unions, (by Obama) and let the "PEOPLE" see how much it's going to hit personal incomes, via their job or insure cost.

H2O @ about 4 years ago

Bethesda, MD , United States

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Some are going to get freebies, some are going to go up (younger families and people) and some are going to lose on both sides (hrs cut, insure up or added), But in the end, how much it costs taxpayers is going...

H2O @ about 4 years ago

Bethesda, MD , United States

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... to be the determining factor. Quite simply right now it ONLY is impacting those above.

H2O @ about 4 years ago

Bethesda, MD , United States

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Honestly, I'm keeping an open mind towards the effect on my family. I haven't seen the open enrollment forms yet.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

More on how Obamacare is funded http://www.irs.gov/uac/Affordable-Care-Act-Tax-Provisions

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Montgomery, IL, USA

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The focus shouldn't be on who is receiving exemptions (they received healthcare free of charge before this law). The focus should be on if the funds are truly going to create a more cost effective system of care

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

The IRS grew, the exchanges are full of government workers, thousands are being hired to promote and build goodwill for the law.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

So I'm sure a few dollars are being spent there. I do know that discounts are available for persons with healthy lifestyles. This is a good thing as Americans have really let themselves go.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Skål, you have mentioned before that medical costs are currently driven up by individuals going to the emergency room for even a minor sickness. How will this law reverse that?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Has the government placed any limits on itself concerning their ongoing overhead cost in support of this law?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/30/news/economy/obamacare-jobs/index.html

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

It isn't a jobs killer, but it might limit full time positions. More so an hour reducer.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

I can tell you how....

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

Elkhart, IN 46516, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Go ahead

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Naperville, IL 60564, USA

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

Rush Limbaugh said that it's going to hurt our economy. Turn on Rush.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ about 4 years ago

Olmsted, OH, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

poor ppl go to the emergemcy room becausw they will recieve some sort of care regardless of whether they can pay, or not......

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

Elkhart, IN, USA

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

if these said ppl have insurance they can schedule a doc appans not accrue insanely high cost of the emergency room care

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

641-711 N Nappanee St, Elkhart, IN 46514

7ad281127bc26edce785c36e7ea6d8b8

ultimately these cost are rolled over to you...

-the thinker @ about 4 years ago

641-711 N Nappanee St, Elkhart, IN 46514

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

How will you force people exempt from needing to get insurance to actually go get insurance?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Naperville, IL 60540, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Why wait weeks to see a doctor when you can be seen today at Urgent Care or the Emergency Room?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Naperville, IL 60540, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

@galt - I'm saying that they aren't exempt from aca...which is what you wrongly claimed. Subsidies are different from exemption. That said, there is no reason for the delay until 2017 for private business to

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN , United States

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Do the same.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN , United States

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

Are congressional staffers getting the same deal as everyone else? No why don't they get the same deal? Fairness? Obama is all about fairness...... Some people are more equal than others, right.

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ about 4 years ago

Olmsted, OH, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

@ami re ED use- theoretically through expanded access to primary care and disincentives for inappropriate ED use by private insurers. Urgent cares and ED's aren't places for primary care.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN , United States

09a5d18092042c0a76ac36fa69ced042

john you sound so stupid. repeating the lies that got you to believe the crap. Waivers are in the law, if you want a waiver then meet the criteria. Only Faux Noose watchers believe waivers are all if a sudden. Google works, you wouldn't have to rely

Sinner @ about 4 years ago

Belpre, OH, USA

09a5d18092042c0a76ac36fa69ced042

so much on talking points. Love the "its not fair" crybaby remarks from the right.

Sinner @ about 4 years ago

Belpre, OH, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

@galt - that's not the same as exemption. Nice try, but you were caught in a lie.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN , United States

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

@ ami- aca also is working to improve the incomes for primary docs- which is a real problem in the shortage (besides retiring boomer docs)

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN , United States

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Skål, this is great news for people committed to an insurance plan, but what about those who are exempt from the individual mandate? Will the ED turn away people and provide them an appointment with a general practitioner?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Naperville, IL 60565, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Is this an emergency or not?

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

I have a bad cough.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Montgomery, IL, USA

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*hack*

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Montgomery, IL, USA

B5542118c2d0317fb8dbad550049edb7

Very "Hacky" indeed...

et in Arcadia ego @ about 4 years ago

Waco, TX 76711, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Sounds serious

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

I'm not sure, I think someone should look at me right away...I know this is my fifth time here this month but I swear this time it's serious!!

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Montgomery, IL, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

On a serious note, unless they are cash pay with good credit or qualified for MA (I suspect many would), no those exempt people would have difficulty getting set up with a primary. Although some county have instituted

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

*county hospitals A charity care clinic for this purpose.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

So, the emergency room doctor will see me then about my cough?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Montgomery, IL, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on how you were triaged. It has been done. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7832350

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

1dafe1436c4d8731c6dcc8ec8edc90ec

FU Obama!!! I ain't signin` up

RdNkDr @ about 4 years ago

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

heal thyself

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Historic Southwest, Rochester, MN

5884dce8e8fcb73c33526a6431b70f41

Obama should just man up and demonstrate his confidence in his creation......by signing his whole family up with the D.C. Obamacare exchange. He won't because Obamacare sucks & he knows it. He lied to America.

No Time Valley @ about 4 years ago

Las Vegas, NV 89178, USA

1dafe1436c4d8731c6dcc8ec8edc90ec

He is incapable of telling the truth. Hee is a compulsive pathologic liar.

RdNkDr @ about 4 years ago

8cbaf35ad0674762199a66cfbb03c55d

Why don't you tell us what you really think.lol

Mr. P @ about 4 years ago

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you couldn't handle it

A Benevolent Greedy Bastard @ about 4 years ago

New Castle, IN 47362, USA

1dafe1436c4d8731c6dcc8ec8edc90ec

Until the commie-bastard in the White House and all the politicians sign up for obamacare all true Americans are hereby exempt. Send that monkey back to Kenya

RdNkDr @ about 4 years ago

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I'm still waiting for the update on how many millions dropped dead in the streets today due to this shutdown I'm certain NBC is overwhelmed with the task of compiling such widespread and massive numbers

A Benevolent Greedy Bastard @ about 4 years ago

New Castle, IN 47362, USA

B63b734d9476a55ed0025f2d37803146

tinker lost 2% of his penny stocks last night thanks to his uncompromising lefties.... that 21 cents was multplied by a factor of 5 in real savings accrued by temporarily putting that monstrosity on a leash.

A Benevolent Greedy Bastard @ about 4 years ago

New Castle, IN 47362, USA

B5542118c2d0317fb8dbad550049edb7

lol...funny math callback!

et in Arcadia ego @ about 4 years ago

Waco, TX 76711, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Skål, make my job easy here, has anything changed in terms of how the ER approaches patients without insurance?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/07/members-staff-will-keep-healthcare-subsidies-under-obamacare/

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ about 4 years ago

Olmsted, OH, USA

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

http://www.forbes.com/sites/carrielukas/2013/09/18/as-congress-and-its-staffers-try-to-weasel-out-of-obamacare-americans-smell-a-rat/

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ about 4 years ago

Olmsted, OH, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Doubling down, galty? http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114284/congress-exempt-obamacare-latest-lie-wont-die You lie! Let's move on

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

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Ami- no, hospitals are doing that on their own.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

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Skål, they are not exempt, but are their premiums being subsidized? Is that a lie? Do they pay less than the average citizen would?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

A65883f45a009bb03df1abdb3586e698

Nitty picky little liberal, are congressional staffers getting special deal?

John Galt...  Bernie Is A Socialist @ about 4 years ago

Olmsted, OH, USA

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Viva Obamacare: http://www.indystar.com/article/20131001/BUSINESS/310010047/IU-Health-cut-another-100-jobs-bringing-total-more-than-900

A Benevolent Greedy Bastard @ about 4 years ago

Pendleton, IN, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

Wait until you're sick and then buy health care? at the same rate as a healthy person?

Mr. Pink @ about 4 years ago

Brunswick, OH, USA

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more obamacare job cuts http://www.ibj.com/st-vincent-health-eliminating-about-865-jobs/PARAMS/article/42213

A Benevolent Greedy Bastard @ about 4 years ago

New Castle, IN 47362, USA

8cbaf35ad0674762199a66cfbb03c55d

So if it does not affect you directly, it's no big deal?

Mr. P @ about 4 years ago

8cbaf35ad0674762199a66cfbb03c55d

Yeah I guess people like you wouldn't notice that this shut down has affected other Americans negatively. I'm sure glad I never had to work for a guy like you.

Mr. P @ about 4 years ago

8cbaf35ad0674762199a66cfbb03c55d

You know nothing about me. It's ironic that you would say that I was a janitor at a public school. My father was a janitor at a public school. I always thought he was hard working honorable man. So go fxxk yourself.

Mr. P @ about 4 years ago

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That's no way to speak to a Christian Mr. P. If it weren't for these holy people where would this coutntry be today?

. @ about 4 years ago

Fayetteville, AR, USA

8d5c11dcbc782185417c8bb12064a2d3

From now on you better show nothing but respect for Wi or I will personally pay you a visit and show you the wrath of GOD! Understand?

. @ about 4 years ago

Fayetteville, AR, USA

8d5c11dcbc782185417c8bb12064a2d3

Ok...Now that I've set you straight I've got to get back to smoking my joint and hope I don't get a random drug test tomorrow.:)

. @ about 4 years ago

Fayetteville, AR, USA

8d5c11dcbc782185417c8bb12064a2d3

By the way, I'm just kidding about treating him with respect. But I'm not kidding about the joint and random drug test.

. @ about 4 years ago

Fayetteville, AR, USA

8d5c11dcbc782185417c8bb12064a2d3

see ya in hell wi! I can't wait. I'll be the guy with the pitchfork. don't worry looking around for me...I'll come find you.

. @ about 4 years ago

Fayetteville, AR, USA

8d5c11dcbc782185417c8bb12064a2d3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7rpoZE8X8Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player

. @ about 4 years ago

Fayetteville, AR, USA

8d5c11dcbc782185417c8bb12064a2d3

god created Satan. thank you god.

. @ about 4 years ago

Fayetteville, AR, USA

8d5c11dcbc782185417c8bb12064a2d3

just imagine if he didn't. life would be so boring.

. @ about 4 years ago

Fayetteville, AR, USA

8d5c11dcbc782185417c8bb12064a2d3

just imagine if he didn't. life would be so boring.

. @ about 4 years ago

Fayetteville, AR, USA

8d5c11dcbc782185417c8bb12064a2d3

just imagine if he didn't. life would be so boring.

. @ about 4 years ago

Fayetteville, AR, USA

8d5c11dcbc782185417c8bb12064a2d3

no he won't. I've been doing this for years. for some reason I've been blessed. the worse I am the better life gets.

. @ about 4 years ago

Fayetteville, AR, USA

8d5c11dcbc782185417c8bb12064a2d3

why would I want to spend eternity with people like you? I would rather eat worms.

. @ about 4 years ago

Fayetteville, AR, USA

8d5c11dcbc782185417c8bb12064a2d3

just think about it... Ang, wi, jimmy swaggart, Ted haggard, Bachmann and others in heaven. that would be hell.

. @ about 4 years ago

Fayetteville, AR, USA

8d5c11dcbc782185417c8bb12064a2d3

Son of a bitCh! My wife is begging me to come to bed so we can smoke some dope. gotta go. anyway ...see you in hell wi.

. @ about 4 years ago

Fayetteville, AR, USA

8d5c11dcbc782185417c8bb12064a2d3

tomorrow I'll start a religious thread...hope you will be there to be converted to my side.

. @ about 4 years ago

Fayetteville, AR, USA

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@Galt - Now you are changing your argument. Go cry. You are just another lying conservative. But I repeat myself.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Saint Paul, MN , United States

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@AMI - Yes, they are subsidized by their employer - much like the SHOP exchange. http://obamacarefacts.com/insurance-exchange/shop-exchange.php

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Saint Paul, MN , United States

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Galt is a fúcking little crybaby bítch lately. Seriously, wtf?? At least the guy used to have some self respect. Now?...Not so much.

Dr. Evil @ about 4 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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I would be curious to know what a government worker was paying for health insurance before this. Is the taxpayer subsidizing them more now, or is it essentially the same.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

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@ami same subsidy as before. why do you think it'd changed?

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, USA

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funny. I hope there's no harassment policy...

UndrWater @ about 4 years ago

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Skål, their premiums rose for all options. So, if the subsidy remained the same the insurance is then less affordable. http://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/healthcare/plan-information/premiums/

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

did it? you went to healthcare.gov and checked? anyways, less affordable for govt employees wasn't your initial concern. enough with the concern trolling though, k?

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

I just provided you a list from the OPM showing that rates went up. Why would I go to the website?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Those aren't exchange premiums. To say they "rose for all options", you'd have to manually compare the opm rates in you link with the exchange rates. That's how comparisons work

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

What started off as a concern that the staffers are getting a better deal has morphed into a concern that the staffers are now paying more even with the subsidizes. Before that, it was concerns about exchange exempt

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

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Persons and ED usage. Before that, concerns for limits on overhead costs. Concern away

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

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Not as Analytically Minded as usual

Dr. Evil @ about 4 years ago

Lakeland, MN, USA

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Got it, question nothing, trust everyone....I will be happy to explore the exchange rates as well, but the fact remains that their premiums went up across the board

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

I have a right to be concerned and I ask all these questions simply because I respect your viewpoint. All in all though I'm not seeing where this system will reduce costs, more so I see bureaucracy and taxes.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

opm premiums went up across the board, as has all insurance yearly for the last decade. congress and their staff can no longer purchase any of these plans..so your link is only relevant for comparison with exchange plans

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Northrup, Rochester, MN

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There are legit questions about the law and how things will play out. I don't deny that. There are legitimate reasons to be concerned. But your shifting focus on staffer premiums, from (paraphrased)

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN , United States

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But the rate of increase, was much higher then the Pols were promising. Everyone knew rates were going up, but the amount far exceeded the promises.

H2O @ about 4 years ago

Bethesda, MD , United States

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"OMG they get an unfair deal" to "OMG they are getting screwed with higher premiums" is just being concerned for the sake of being concerned.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN , United States

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Neither side really has a good position on this law & implementation. Cons: "It's a frigging expensive train wreck". Libs: "Just try it, it will work out, after we figure out what's in the law".

H2O @ about 4 years ago

Bethesda, MD , United States

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

That's assuming that the base premiums before the subsidies they get through the exchanges are higher than the opm rates you linked, of course.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN , United States

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AND That's the problem, no one can say how good or bad this is really going to be. Granted a few will benefit, at the expense of the rest.

H2O @ about 4 years ago

Bethesda, MD , United States

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Skål why would the OPM post rates for 2014 if the plans cannot be purchased? Seems a bit pointless...

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Could there be other federal employees who may purchase one of these plans?

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

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It says non postal, so I would guess any federal employee not affiliated with USPS. What you are saying though is that Congress and their respective staffs are not in that boat.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

ACA makes congress and their staff purchase from the exchanges. All other federal employees eligible for these plans can continue to do so. So in other words, not pointless.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

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Ok, now the task of determining the rates they are receiving through the exchange....not easy to locate so far

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

probably depends on where the staffers claim residence. good luck

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

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I'm sure someone with more time than I will put something together

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

98d7101629a5e7bcbaca8c6c5bd9decc

right up wv's alley!

UndrWater @ about 4 years ago

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

I don't think there are enough people who care enough about this specific comparison that only affects the staff of congress to do so.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Kutzky Park, Rochester, MN

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One of the thousands of staffers might speak up

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Montgomery, IL, USA

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Perhaps one of the staffers working for the half of congress that wants to get rid of the subsidies?

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

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I see Skål's defending his baby ;)

The Drew @ about 4 years ago

Flatiron District, New York, NY

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

But, as you said, most major employers subsidize health care costs for their workers. The government just does it with a little help from the tax payer. Given that subsidy remains the same, there will be a reaction,up or down,regarding the premiums

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

my precious...

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Lol

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Montgomery, IL, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

their wages are "a little help from the taxpayer". it's part of the standard pay and benefits package. you seem awfully concerned about their insurance premiums... why?

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

It is an indicator, to me, of the realities of this system. Will premiums go up, go down? How will an employer have to compensate? Will total cash outlays for services be higher or lower?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

are premiums of large group plans cheaper or more expensive than the individual market? because that's what you are trying to draw a meaningful comparison of.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

you see this flaw of your comparison, right?

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Cheaper of course, but shouldn't a centralized insurance exchange be the largest group plan of all?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

I recognize the difference, but how would you define the options within each exchange?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Montgomery, IL, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

you'd think... but deep down they are still individual plans. by metal level

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Lincolnshire - Arbor Glen, Rochester, MN 55901

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

So then could we then safely assume that if their premium/ deductible structure remains the same that the government is picking up the additional cost

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

I don't follow how you came to that assumption

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Cannon Falls, MN, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Being they are no longer on a group plan and being forced to use their respective exchanges then premiums would then likely rise as a result

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Montgomery, IL 60538, USA

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Are being

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

@AMI - You should look at how the fed govt calculates how much they contribute.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Saint Paul, MN , United States

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The taxpayer covered 75% of the premium beforehand, not sure if that has changed.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

http://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/healthcare/reference-materials/reference/cost-of-insurance/ 3rd paragraph

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

(Hasn't changed for years)

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Yep, that's what I found as well. But this was before Obamacare, not sure how much they are subsidized now they are required to use an exchange.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

If the percentage is the same, would you agree the total subsidy would be greater?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Montgomery, IL, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

The same: the lesser of 75% or 72% of weighted avg of self/family plans. http://goo.gl/tGhIWg Last paragraph on "Comments on Govt contributions". 5 USC 8906 is the same OPM formula.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Depends on how the weighted average is calculated. More bronze level plans (or higher weighted) would bring that down quite a bit, whereas higher weights for gold/platinum would raise it.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

I'm not making this easy for ya, am I? :)

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Lol, nah this is fun and educational! BTW I see a huge snowstorm is coming your way...enjoy!

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Do you know with certainty the average premium of the Bronze level plan?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

6c48fb73634fa41fe7915a7faf370ee7

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/not-planning-buy-health-insurance-111054106.html

Mr. Pink @ about 4 years ago

Brunswick, OH, USA

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It'll be rain by then - with maybe a sharknado or two. Nope.

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, United States

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

Sharknado! Lol But more likely a Buffalonado coming through the northern plains.

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

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Pink, thanks for the link and for the stick and carrot analogy

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

bisonado? it's already hit kansas

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, USA

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Did anybody notice?

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

Kirk herbstreit?

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Historic Southwest, Rochester, MN

Abf9ecb978253a73878c16a7a93e1af4

If he was doing his job http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=332422306

AMI @ about 4 years ago

Aurora, IL 60505, USA

B35527b232c45def78db4f6949419182

great game to watch

Tjaden Froyda @ about 4 years ago

Rochester, MN 55901, USA

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